Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/05/2019 10:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Das Beste oder nichts ist nichts


The best or nothing is nothing

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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 5/23/19 10:17 AM:

Just remember that for all Mercedes Benz cars designed after the W126-W124 the 
following applies: "Das
Beste oder nichts ist nichts."





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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Just remember that for all Mercedes Benz cars the following applies: "Das
Beste oder nichts."

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 2:26 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bingo.  If you want to get the crap out of the cooling system pull the
> lower hose at the lowest point (usually the radiator).  In my experience
> it's best to refill through the big top hose (disconnected at the radiator).
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >
> > Drain?  Don't need no Stnking drain! Be a man!   Pull off the
> lower hose
> > at the radiator.Drain is OK on the 111, but on 123+ where it is a
> little plastic
> > thing, Pull the hose!
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Bingo.  If you want to get the crap out of the cooling system pull the lower 
hose at the lowest point (usually the radiator).  In my experience it's best to 
refill through the big top hose (disconnected at the radiator).

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
> 
> Drain?  Don't need no Stnking drain! Be a man!   Pull off the lower 
> hose
> at the radiator.Drain is OK on the 111, but on 123+ where it is a little 
> plastic
> thing, Pull the hose!



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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

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On Wed, 22 May 2019 06:36:27 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Getting warm. No aux battery, that’s the main (only) one. Coolant tank
> is full of plain water, which is why you don’t see anything.
> 
> What about the AC condenser?

Last night I did say,

  I see some little grey oddities on the two vertical
  pipes on the A/C condenser ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Makes sense. I never thought about it, I just thought it was weird that there 
was no aux fan. Guess it’s because I haven’t had anything this new.

-D

> On May 22, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If that is the case then it won’t have an aux fan.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it’s got an electric fan on the back of the radiator. I’ll have to 
>> look, but I’m pretty sure that’s the setup.
>> 
>> I can see where that might preclude the need for an aux fan.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does yours have a regular fan clutch or the electric fan on the back side 
>>> of the radiator like the 99 and up e320?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 22, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 I ask my parts guy to check the EPC for me with the VIN.
 
 I can’t imagine it didn’t have them, but I’m trying to figure out where 
 the wiring harness is, as I see nothing anywhere near the area that 
 appears to be cut off or abandoned.
 
 -D
 
> On May 22, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will take a look at mine. All of them I have seen has had an aux fan.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> DING DING DING!
>> 
>> We have a winner!!
>> 
>> Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car 
>> has no auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan 
>> setup in the EPC, but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires 
>> or connectors. If anyone out there with an ML can give me an idea of 
>> where the electricals are for the fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would 
>> appreciate it.
>> 
>> There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would 
>> suggest auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I 
>> could see. I will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the 
>> blower is working, is ICE COLD.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It appears to be missing the aux fan.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me 
 every time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the 
 most part, it’s really frustrating.
 
 Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off 
 the garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
 
 Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
 radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic 
 petcock on the front left side of the radiator.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

If that is the case then it won’t have an aux fan.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it’s got an electric fan on the back of the radiator. I’ll have to 
> look, but I’m pretty sure that’s the setup.
> 
> I can see where that might preclude the need for an aux fan.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does yours have a regular fan clutch or the electric fan on the back side of 
>> the radiator like the 99 and up e320?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ask my parts guy to check the EPC for me with the VIN.
>>> 
>>> I can’t imagine it didn’t have them, but I’m trying to figure out where the 
>>> wiring harness is, as I see nothing anywhere near the area that appears to 
>>> be cut off or abandoned.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 22, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I will take a look at mine. All of them I have seen has had an aux fan.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 22, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> DING DING DING!
> 
> We have a winner!!
> 
> Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car has 
> no auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan setup in 
> the EPC, but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires or 
> connectors. If anyone out there with an ML can give me an idea of where 
> the electricals are for the fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would 
> suggest auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I 
> could see. I will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the blower 
> is working, is ICE COLD.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It appears to be missing the aux fan.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me 
>>> every time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the 
>>> most part, it’s really frustrating.
>>> 
>>> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off 
>>> the garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
>>> 
>>> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
>>> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic 
>>> petcock on the front left side of the radiator.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I think it’s got an electric fan on the back of the radiator. I’ll have to 
look, but I’m pretty sure that’s the setup.

I can see where that might preclude the need for an aux fan.

-D

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does yours have a regular fan clutch or the electric fan on the back side of 
> the radiator like the 99 and up e320?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I ask my parts guy to check the EPC for me with the VIN.
>> 
>> I can’t imagine it didn’t have them, but I’m trying to figure out where the 
>> wiring harness is, as I see nothing anywhere near the area that appears to 
>> be cut off or abandoned.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will take a look at mine. All of them I have seen has had an aux fan.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 22, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 DING DING DING!
 
 We have a winner!!
 
 Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car has 
 no auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan setup in 
 the EPC, but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires or 
 connectors. If anyone out there with an ML can give me an idea of where 
 the electricals are for the fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would appreciate 
 it.
 
 There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would 
 suggest auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I 
 could see. I will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the blower 
 is working, is ICE COLD.
 
 -D
 
> On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It appears to be missing the aux fan.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me 
>> every time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the 
>> most part, it’s really frustrating.
>> 
>> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
>> garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
>> 
>> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
>> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic 
>> petcock on the front left side of the radiator.


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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Does yours have a regular fan clutch or the electric fan on the back side of 
the radiator like the 99 and up e320?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I ask my parts guy to check the EPC for me with the VIN.
> 
> I can’t imagine it didn’t have them, but I’m trying to figure out where the 
> wiring harness is, as I see nothing anywhere near the area that appears to be 
> cut off or abandoned.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will take a look at mine. All of them I have seen has had an aux fan.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> DING DING DING!
>>> 
>>> We have a winner!!
>>> 
>>> Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car has 
>>> no auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan setup in 
>>> the EPC, but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires or 
>>> connectors. If anyone out there with an ML can give me an idea of where the 
>>> electricals are for the fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would appreciate it.
>>> 
>>> There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would 
>>> suggest auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I 
>>> could see. I will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the blower 
>>> is working, is ICE COLD.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 It appears to be missing the aux fan.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me 
> every time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the 
> most part, it’s really frustrating.
> 
> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
> garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
> 
> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic 
> petcock on the front left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.
> 
> Not.
> 
> I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn 
> to unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in 
> the front behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and 
> carefully turn, fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But 
> there’s barely a trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some 
> more, and more coolant comes out, but it’s hardly anything of 
> significance. And yes, I had taken the cap off of the reservoir prior to 
> opening the drain.
> 
> I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a 
> crescent wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big 
> gush. Hmm.
> 
> So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
> reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. 
> Installed the new reservoir, not a big deal.
> 
> I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting 
> first, and it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the 
> caliper bolts out no problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. 
> Remove the caliper and unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the 
> new caliper and mount the caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten 
> hose. It’s got a bit of tension on it, so I soaked the hard line fitting 
> where it meets the hose in anticipation for breaking this union and 
> rotating the hose to relieve some of the tension on it.
> 
> Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.
> 
> Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I 
> really wanted to bleed the whol
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I ask my parts guy to check the EPC for me with the VIN.

I can’t imagine it didn’t have them, but I’m trying to figure out where the 
wiring harness is, as I see nothing anywhere near the area that appears to be 
cut off or abandoned.

-D

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will take a look at mine. All of them I have seen has had an aux fan.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> DING DING DING!
>> 
>> We have a winner!!
>> 
>> Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car has no 
>> auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan setup in the 
>> EPC, but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires or connectors. 
>> If anyone out there with an ML can give me an idea of where the electricals 
>> are for the fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would appreciate it.
>> 
>> There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would 
>> suggest auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I could 
>> see. I will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the blower is 
>> working, is ICE COLD.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It appears to be missing the aux fan.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me 
 every time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the most 
 part, it’s really frustrating.
 
 Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
 garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
 
 Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
 radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic 
 petcock on the front left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.
 
 Not.
 
 I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn 
 to unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in 
 the front behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and 
 carefully turn, fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But 
 there’s barely a trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some 
 more, and more coolant comes out, but it’s hardly anything of 
 significance. And yes, I had taken the cap off of the reservoir prior to 
 opening the drain.
 
 I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a 
 crescent wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big gush. 
 Hmm.
 
 So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
 reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. 
 Installed the new reservoir, not a big deal.
 
 I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting 
 first, and it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the 
 caliper bolts out no problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. 
 Remove the caliper and unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the 
 new caliper and mount the caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten hose. 
 It’s got a bit of tension on it, so I soaked the hard line fitting where 
 it meets the hose in anticipation for breaking this union and rotating the 
 hose to relieve some of the tension on it.
 
 Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.
 
 Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I 
 really wanted to bleed the whol
>> 
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I will take a look at mine. All of them I have seen has had an aux fan.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> DING DING DING!
> 
> We have a winner!!
> 
> Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car has no 
> auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan setup in the 
> EPC, but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires or connectors. If 
> anyone out there with an ML can give me an idea of where the electricals are 
> for the fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would appreciate it.
> 
> There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would suggest 
> auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I could see. I 
> will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the blower is working, is 
> ICE COLD.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It appears to be missing the aux fan.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me every 
>>> time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the most part, 
>>> it’s really frustrating.
>>> 
>>> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
>>> garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
>>> 
>>> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
>>> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic 
>>> petcock on the front left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.
>>> 
>>> Not.
>>> 
>>> I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn 
>>> to unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in 
>>> the front behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and 
>>> carefully turn, fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But 
>>> there’s barely a trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some 
>>> more, and more coolant comes out, but it’s hardly anything of significance. 
>>> And yes, I had taken the cap off of the reservoir prior to opening the 
>>> drain.
>>> 
>>> I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a 
>>> crescent wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big gush. 
>>> Hmm.
>>> 
>>> So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
>>> reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. 
>>> Installed the new reservoir, not a big deal.
>>> 
>>> I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting first, 
>>> and it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the caliper 
>>> bolts out no problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. Remove the 
>>> caliper and unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the new caliper 
>>> and mount the caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten hose. It’s got a 
>>> bit of tension on it, so I soaked the hard line fitting where it meets the 
>>> hose in anticipation for breaking this union and rotating the hose to 
>>> relieve some of the tension on it.
>>> 
>>> Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.
>>> 
>>> Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I 
>>> really wanted to bleed the whol
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

DING DING DING!

We have a winner!!

Unless there’s something I’m not familiar with on this model, the car has no 
auxiliary fan in front of the condenser. I found a double fan setup in the EPC, 
but for the life of me I couldn’t find abandoned wires or connectors. If anyone 
out there with an ML can give me an idea of where the electricals are for the 
fans if they exist (Mitch?) I would appreciate it.

There’s nothing based on appearance or things in this area that would suggest 
auxiliary fans existed. Paint or dirt patterns, nothing that I could see. I 
will say that the condenser is huge! The AC, when the blower is working, is ICE 
COLD.

-D

> On May 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It appears to be missing the aux fan.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me every 
>> time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the most part, 
>> it’s really frustrating.
>> 
>> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
>> garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
>> 
>> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
>> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic petcock 
>> on the front left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.
>> 
>> Not.
>> 
>> I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn to 
>> unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in the 
>> front behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and carefully 
>> turn, fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But there’s barely 
>> a trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some more, and more 
>> coolant comes out, but it’s hardly anything of significance. And yes, I had 
>> taken the cap off of the reservoir prior to opening the drain.
>> 
>> I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a 
>> crescent wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big gush. 
>> Hmm.
>> 
>> So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
>> reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. 
>> Installed the new reservoir, not a big deal.
>> 
>> I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting first, 
>> and it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the caliper bolts 
>> out no problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. Remove the caliper 
>> and unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the new caliper and mount 
>> the caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten hose. It’s got a bit of 
>> tension on it, so I soaked the hard line fitting where it meets the hose in 
>> anticipation for breaking this union and rotating the hose to relieve some 
>> of the tension on it.
>> 
>> Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.
>> 
>> Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I 
>> really wanted to bleed the whol


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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

So's mine.
The deer damaged the plastic and the fan rubbed the shroud. 
When I found out I could drive around in 90 degree weather with the AC on and 
not miss it, I decided not to buy a replacement. Florida Man with a V8 might 
feel differently. 

> On May 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It appears to be missing the aux fan.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It appears to be missing the aux fan.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me every 
> time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the most part, 
> it’s really frustrating.
> 
> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
> garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
> 
> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic petcock 
> on the front left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.
> 
> Not.
> 
> I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn to 
> unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in the 
> front behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and carefully 
> turn, fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But there’s barely 
> a trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some more, and more 
> coolant comes out, but it’s hardly anything of significance. And yes, I had 
> taken the cap off of the reservoir prior to opening the drain.
> 
> I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a crescent 
> wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big gush. Hmm.
> 
> So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
> reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. 
> Installed the new reservoir, not a big deal.
> 
> I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting first, 
> and it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the caliper bolts 
> out no problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. Remove the caliper 
> and unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the new caliper and mount 
> the caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten hose. It’s got a bit of 
> tension on it, so I soaked the hard line fitting where it meets the hose in 
> anticipation for breaking this union and rotating the hose to relieve some of 
> the tension on it.
> 
> Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.
> 
> Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I 
> really wanted to bleed the whole brake system, as the fluid looked terrible, 
> but I had barely half a liter on the shelf so I didn’t want to run out. 
> Something for the next parts run. Bled out the caliper and put everything 
> back in place. Back to the cooling system.
> 
> So now it’s time to close the valve on the radiator and fill the system up 
> with some water for now. I’ll run it with straight water in it for a few 
> miles, then drain and flush it before filling with MB coolant.
> 
> So I start turning the valve with my two wrenches, alternating them to get on 
> the valve tab. I turn a lot. I turn more. I’m thinking that there is no way I 
> unscrewed this valve that far. So I get into the area around the valve with a 
> light and a mirror, and notice the valve is sticking out of the radiator 
> quite a ways. It appeared that I was turning the valve but it was not 
> engaging whatever means it used to move back into the radiator housing. 
> Perhaps I unscrewed it too far?
> 
> So I go at it again with my wrenches, applying pressure on the valve as I 
> turn. After a few turns it appears to be moving into the housing. I finally 
> get it to a point where it seems tight, and put some water in the coolant 
> reservoir. Then I hear dripping….
> 
> Apparently the valve isn’t sealing or all the way closed. But I tightened it 
> down as far as I dared since it was a plastic valve. I get on it with my 
> crescent wrench and turn it again as hard as I dare without braking it. The 
> dripping stops. I had moved it maybe 10-15 degrees, if that. But it seemed to 
> be sealed.
> 
> Whew!
> 
> Refilled the cooling system with water and closed it up. Moved the vehicle 
> back into the driveway and called it a night.
> 
> One more thing…
> 
> Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is 
> glaringly wrong:
> 
> 
> 
> If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:
> 
> http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

It's fantastic?

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:37 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Getting warm. No aux battery, that’s the main (only) one. Coolant tank is
> full of plain water, which is why you don’t see anything.
>
> What about the AC condenser?
>
> -D
>
> > On May 22, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > AC condenser? Charger hooked up to the auxiliary battery? Empty coolant
> tank?
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: May 22, 2019 4:29 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse
> >
> > Bt!
> >
> > No winners yet. Keep trying
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 21, 2019, at 11:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a big ugly black plastic thing where there should be an engine.
> >>
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:
> >>>
> >>> One more thing…
> >>>
> >>> Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is
> glaringly wrong:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:
> >>>
> >>> http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Getting warm. No aux battery, that’s the main (only) one. Coolant tank is full 
of plain water, which is why you don’t see anything.

What about the AC condenser?

-D

> On May 22, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> AC condenser? Charger hooked up to the auxiliary battery? Empty coolant tank?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 22, 2019 4:29 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse
> 
> Bt!
> 
> No winners yet. Keep trying
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 21, 2019, at 11:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is a big ugly black plastic thing where there should be an engine.
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:
>>> 
>>> One more thing…
>>> 
>>> Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is 
>>> glaringly wrong:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:
>>> 
>>> http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

AC condenser? Charger hooked up to the auxiliary battery? Empty coolant tank?


Rick

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Bt!

No winners yet. Keep trying

-D

> On May 21, 2019, at 11:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> There is a big ugly black plastic thing where there should be an engine.
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:
>>
>> One more thing…
>>
>> Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is 
>> glaringly wrong:
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:
>>
>> http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Bt!

No winners yet. Keep trying

-D

> On May 21, 2019, at 11:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a big ugly black plastic thing where there should be an engine.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:
>> 
>> One more thing…
>> 
>> Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is 
>> glaringly wrong:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There is a big ugly black plastic thing where there should be an engine.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:


One more thing…

Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is glaringly 
wrong:



If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:

http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0






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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 21 May 2019 22:32:34 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Whew!
> 
> Refilled the cooling system with water and closed it up. Moved the
> vehicle back into the driveway and called it a night.

Whew! is right!


> One more thing…
> 
> Take a look at this picture of the car and tell me what I *think* is
> glaringly wrong:
>
> If you can’t see the picture, here’s a link to it on my web site:
> 
> http://penoff.com/Photo_dump.html#0

I presume you mean

http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump_files/Media/2002 ML500 - 1 (1)/2002 ML500 -
1 (1).jpg

And, no, I don't see anything glaringly wrong. I see some little grey
oddities on the two vertical pipes on the A/C condenser, some odd stuff
on the body behind the right headlight, and, I presume, the sound
encapsulation on the garage floor. Of course, not being there is a
handicap.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Oh, yeah, I’m not messing with the drain valve again, that’s for sure. Lower 
hose in the future.

-D


> On May 21, 2019, at 10:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Drain?  Don't need no Stnking drain! Be a man!   Pull off the lower 
> hose at the radiator.Drain is OK on the 111, but on 123+ where it is a 
> little plastic thing, Pull the hose!
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:
>> Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me every 
>> time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the most part, 
>> it’s really frustrating.
>> 
>> Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the 
>> garage and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.
>> 
>> Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the 
>> radiator. Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic petcock 
>> on the front left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.
>> 
>> Not.
>> 
>> I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn to 
>> unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in the 
>> front behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and carefully 
>> turn, fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But there’s barely 
>> a trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some more, and more 
>> coolant comes out, but it’s hardly anything of significance. And yes, I had 
>> taken the cap off of the reservoir prior to opening the drain.
>> 
>> I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a 
>> crescent wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big gush. 
>> Hmm.
>> 
>> So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
>> reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. 
>> Installed the new reservoir, not a big deal.
>> 
>> I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting first, 
>> and it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the caliper bolts 
>> out no problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. Remove the caliper 
>> and unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the new caliper and mount 
>> the caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten hose. It’s got a bit of 
>> tension on it, so I soaked the hard line fitting where it meets the hose in 
>> anticipation for breaking this union and rotating the hose to relieve some 
>> of the tension on it.
>> 
>> Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.
>> 
>> Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I 
>> really wanted to bleed the whole brake system, as the fluid looked terrible, 
>> but I had barely half a liter on the shelf so I didn’t want to run out. 
>> Something for the next parts run. Bled out the caliper and put everything 
>> back in place. Back to the cooling system.
>> 
>> So now it’s time to close the valve on the radiator and fill the system up 
>> with some water for now. I’ll run it with straight water in it for a few 
>> miles, then drain and flush it before filling with MB coolant.
>> 
>> So I start turning the valve with my two wrenches, alternating them to get 
>> on the valve tab. I turn a lot. I turn more. I’m thinking that there is no 
>> way I unscrewed this valve that far. So I get into the area around the valve 
>> with a light and a mirror, and notice the valve is sticking out of the 
>> radiator quite a ways. It appeared that I was turning the valve but it was 
>> not engaging whatever means it used to move back into the radiator housing. 
>> Perhaps I unscrewed it too far?
>> 
>> So I go at it again with my wrenches, applying pressure on the valve as I 
>> turn. After a few turns it appears to be moving into the housing. I finally 
>> get it to a point where it seems tight, and put some water in the coolant 
>> reservoir. Then I hear dripping….
>> 
>> Apparently the valve isn’t sealing or all the way closed. But I tightened it 
>> down as far as I dared since it was a plastic valve. I get on it with my 
>> crescent wrench and turn it again as hard as I dare without braking it. The 
>> dripping stops. I had moved it maybe 10-15 degrees, if that. But it seemed 
>> to be sealed.
>> 
>> Whew!
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's ML500 Abuse

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Drain?  Don't need no Stnking drain!     Be a man!   Pull off the 
lower hose at the radiator.    Drain is OK on the 111, but on 123+ where 
it is a little plastic thing, Pull the hose!


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 9:32 PM:

Don’t know what it is about this vehicle… it seems to want to test me every 
time I touch it, and while everything seems to end well for the most part, it’s 
really frustrating.

Got my Cardone caliper this afternoon, so I figured I would cool off the garage 
and put it on along with the new coolant reservoir.

Go to drain the cooling system and can’t find the darned drain on the radiator. 
Weird. Get on the computer to find that there is a plastic petcock on the front 
left side of the radiator. OK, I can do that.

Not.

I find the petcock, but I can’t turn it. It’s a plastic tab that you turn to 
unscrew the valve out to open it, and it’s in a really tight space in the front 
behind the bumper. I finally get a crescent wrench on it and carefully turn, 
fully expecting it to snap off. It doesn’t. Relief! But there’s barely a 
trickle of coolant coming out of the drain. I turn some more, and more coolant 
comes out, but it’s hardly anything of significance. And yes, I had taken the 
cap off of the reservoir prior to opening the drain.

I turn it a few more times alternating between a monkey wrench and a crescent 
wrench to turn it. Coolant is coming out now, but not a big gush. Hmm.

So I work on replacing the coolant reservoir. Not bad, a few hoses were 
reluctant to come off, but I got them off without damage eventually. Installed 
the new reservoir, not a big deal.

I move to the right rear to do the caliper. I break the hose fitting first, and 
it comes loose without issue (thank you, Kroil!!!) Get the caliper bolts out no 
problem. Disconnect the wear indicator connector. Remove the caliper and 
unscrew it from the hose. Screw the hose into the new caliper and mount the 
caliper back on the backing plate. Tighten hose. It’s got a bit of tension on 
it, so I soaked the hard line fitting where it meets the hose in anticipation 
for breaking this union and rotating the hose to relieve some of the tension on 
it.

Nope, not going to tempt Fate tonight.

Get the rear caliper all tightened down and hook up my power bleeder. I really 
wanted to bleed the whole brake system, as the fluid looked terrible, but I had 
barely half a liter on the shelf so I didn’t want to run out. Something for the 
next parts run. Bled out the caliper and put everything back in place. Back to 
the cooling system.

So now it’s time to close the valve on the radiator and fill the system up with 
some water for now. I’ll run it with straight water in it for a few miles, then 
drain and flush it before filling with MB coolant.

So I start turning the valve with my two wrenches, alternating them to get on 
the valve tab. I turn a lot. I turn more. I’m thinking that there is no way I 
unscrewed this valve that far. So I get into the area around the valve with a 
light and a mirror, and notice the valve is sticking out of the radiator quite 
a ways. It appeared that I was turning the valve but it was not engaging 
whatever means it used to move back into the radiator housing. Perhaps I 
unscrewed it too far?

So I go at it again with my wrenches, applying pressure on the valve as I turn. 
After a few turns it appears to be moving into the housing. I finally get it to 
a point where it seems tight, and put some water in the coolant reservoir. Then 
I hear dripping….

Apparently the valve isn’t sealing or all the way closed. But I tightened it 
down as far as I dared since it was a plastic valve. I get on it with my 
crescent wrench and turn it again as hard as I dare without braking it. The 
dripping stops. I had moved it maybe 10-15 degrees, if that. But it seemed to 
be sealed.

Whew!





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