RE: Mersenne: Work being wasted
Sounds like stalking to me. Just live with it I guess and if the occasional exponent gets triple-checked, I don't anticipate losing too much sleep. Yeah, it sucks, but what lengths should anyone go to to find the guy and say something? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mersenne-invalid- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Russel Brooks Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:35 PM To: Mary Conner; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mersenne: Work being wasted Mary Conner wrote: I managed to grab a bunch of those 4.5M doublechecks that George released on Jan 10th. A few days ago, when my machine was about to finish up the second one of the batch I grabbed, the account k5gj submitted a result for this exponent. A little investigation showed that this account does this K5GJ is possibly/probably a Ham call sign. You can find the owner's name and address at arrl.org with a call sign search. It says the call sign is owned by a Thomas Cage of Amarillo Texas. There isn't an email listed but if he's a member of the arrl then he may use their address forwarding in which case you might be able to contact him via [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers... Russ _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
RE: Mersenne: Work being wasted
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Aaron Blosser wrote: Sounds like stalking to me. Not to me. The radio ham thing is a tenuous connection, except that the name is right. Just live with it I guess and if the occasional exponent gets triple-checked, I don't anticipate losing too much sleep. Yeah, it sucks, but what lengths should anyone go to to find the guy and say something? Well, with your history, I suppose that is how you would feel. I does not bother me that the occasional exponent gets triple checked because it expired and both the new owner and the old owner complete it, that's pretty unavoidable and it wasn't deliberate. It bothers me when people deliberately do it without caring that they may be screwing someone else over. There's a big difference between accepting bad things because they just happen, and just sucking it up when someone is doing it deliberately to you. And I would like to point out that it is not the occasional triple check. I did a quick look through all the exponents that k5gj has returned results for, and well over half, perhaps 75% are triple (or higher!) checks. I asked for help reaching him because it appears he is a long time GIMPS participant and well known, if he was joe nobody there would be no point. I know that I would certainly want to know if I was wasting 75% of my computing power. _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
RE: Mersenne: Work being wasted
Nah, I just don't think it's worth tracking down this guy's name, address and who knows what else just because he's poaching exponents in what is, after all, just a hobby. Not sure what the crack about with your history means, but whatever. I can't take this all too seriously because, really, it's just a hobby. :) Like they say, you pick your battles. I guess if someone wanted to make a huge issue out of this, they could, but me, I'd rather spend my time and energy on more productive things. Just my $0.02 worth, and obviously people can and will disagree. :) _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
RE: Mersenne: Work being wasted
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Aaron Blosser wrote: Not sure what the crack about with your history means, but whatever. I can't take this all too seriously because, really, it's just a hobby. :) Well, let me refresh your memory. PrimeNet used to set expiration dates solely on the basis of expected completion date instead of requiring checkins every so often. When that turned out to be not a terribly good idea because some expected completion dates were months or even years away, you took it upon yourself to clean up instead of raising the issue to put a better system in place. You ended up poaching exponents that people were actively working on and got a lot of people mad at you. Hobbies are supposed to be fun. Poachers make it not fun. It's like a bully trashing your sand castle because you're building right where he wants to. Imagine yourself a first time GIMPS participant. You sign your machine up and don't change any of the defaults. You get a double check assignment. Your machine is on most of the time, but it gets used a lot, so it takes longer than the initial estimate. You watch your exponent get crunched, you see maybe one PrimeNet report out of the four the machine makes, and four months later, you gleefully wait as the last few iterations tick away. Unbeknownst to you, in the meantime your exponent has floated up near the top of the Assigned Exponent Report, where a poacher has taken note that the exponent has been running for three months, is expected to run another month and has not been checked in in the last two weeks. A month later the machine finishes, connects to PrimeNet and you get the error, Exponent already tested. What?! How did that happen? N! You go check your account report. No credit. Four months wasted. Screw this, you say, and delete Prime95. A friend told you that GIMPS was a rock solid well-run project. Obviously that's not true. Later on you get a much faster computer. Are you going to go back to GIMPS? Only if you're an idiot! Is that fun? Does that sound like fun? Some hobby! George said no poaching. He said if there was a problem with exponents not being completed in a timely fashion, he would take care of it. Anybody who continues to poach is putting up a big fat middle finger to George and GIMPS and running off legitimate participants that they consider not worthy. Like they say, you pick your battles. I guess if someone wanted to make a huge issue out of this, they could, but me, I'd rather spend my time and energy on more productive things. You spend your time the way you like, I'll spend mine the way I like. We can each agree to value our own time according to our own criteria. I'm not even sure why you bothered to respond to this, as it is surely a huge waste of your time. _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
RE: Mersenne: Work being wasted
I hate it when people dredge up the past. -Original Message- From: Nathan Russell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:41 PM To: Aaron Blosser Subject: RE: Mersenne: Work being wasted At 06:12 PM 2/2/2002 -0800, you wrote: Not sure what the crack about with your history means, but whatever. I can't take this all too seriously because, really, it's just a hobby. :) As it is for all of us, of course. However, while I have no idea what Mary is talking about, a quick check on Google reveals there's some stories about you out there well in excess of the actual: http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/1998/09/0067.html Nathan _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.ndatech.com/mersenne/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers
