Re: Mersenne: Re: Changing Prime95's name

2002-08-25 Thread Daran

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From: "Jeff Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Mersenne: Re: Changing Prime95's name

> At 02:34 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >PPS - I sure hope to talk about this again in 93 years.
>
> By then, "95" will stand for exaflops in your quantum computer, and we'll
> be working with FFT's in the gigabyte size range.   ;-)

When we get a GigaQbit QC, we won't be bothering with FFTs.  We'll just test
every exponent simultaneously by trial division.

Regards

Daran



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RE: Mersenne: Re: Changing Prime95's name

2002-08-25 Thread Milton Brown

A "rose" by any other name smells the same.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barry
Hansen
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:35 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Mersenne: Re: Changing Prime95's name

Briefly Brian Beesley began:
>Therefore the logical new name would be either WinPrime or Prime32. 
>
>I'm definitely strongly _against_ change for the sake of change,
> particularly if the object is simply to track the latest fashion
> emanting from Redmond WA. In another 7 years, chances are Joe Public
> won't find XP any more relevant than 95.

I think people are on the right track here... avoid names using the fad
of
the day, and pick something brief with just enough meaning to make it
easy
to remember. I don't really care what it's called as long as it
generally
follows this guideline. 

In fact my "PrimeXP" suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, since the "eXtreme
Programming" moniker is just a clever marketing scheme for consultants
to
sell more books and make money. Our team has been doing XP for a year
and
there are some good things in it, but I'm still not sure why collecting
several existing programming techniques together and emphasizing certain
attributes has caused it to deserve a catchy new name. Oh well, at least
it's recognizable. :-)

Cheers, Barry
PS - I don't seem to recall that someone *asked* for a vote on a new
program
name. Just think how much activity we'd see if George really wanted some
opinions! :-)
PPS - I sure hope to talk about this again in 93 years.

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Re: Mersenne: Re: Changing Prime95's name

2002-08-25 Thread Jeff Woods

At 02:34 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote:

>PPS - I sure hope to talk about this again in 93 years.

By then, "95" will stand for exaflops in your quantum computer, and we'll 
be working with FFT's in the gigabyte size range.   ;-)

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Mersenne: Re: Changing Prime95's name

2002-08-25 Thread Barry Hansen

Briefly Brian Beesley began:
>Therefore the logical new name would be either WinPrime or Prime32. 
>
>I'm definitely strongly _against_ change for the sake of change,
> particularly if the object is simply to track the latest fashion
> emanting from Redmond WA. In another 7 years, chances are Joe Public
> won't find XP any more relevant than 95.

I think people are on the right track here... avoid names using the fad of
the day, and pick something brief with just enough meaning to make it easy
to remember. I don't really care what it's called as long as it generally
follows this guideline. 

In fact my "PrimeXP" suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, since the "eXtreme
Programming" moniker is just a clever marketing scheme for consultants to
sell more books and make money. Our team has been doing XP for a year and
there are some good things in it, but I'm still not sure why collecting
several existing programming techniques together and emphasizing certain
attributes has caused it to deserve a catchy new name. Oh well, at least
it's recognizable. :-)

Cheers, Barry
PS - I don't seem to recall that someone *asked* for a vote on a new program
name. Just think how much activity we'd see if George really wanted some
opinions! :-)
PPS - I sure hope to talk about this again in 93 years.
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Re: Mersenne: access to primenet server

2002-08-25 Thread George Woltman

Hi,

At 10:37 AM 8/24/2002 +0100, Gareth Randall wrote:
>Any chance of implementing some sort of status output to say "I got to 
>here..."? Something like this:
>
>[time] PID etc  DNS resolved server  #think this is actually just an IP
>[time] PID etc  Open connection to proxy
>[time] PID etc  Connection to proxy made
>[time] PID etc  Asked to connect to primenet server
>[time] PID etc  Got connected to primenet server
>[time] PID etc  Sent the data or request  # you know what I mean
>[time] PID etc  Got the expected response
>[time] PID etc  Saved the updated state to disk  # catch filesys errors
>[time] PID etc  Closed connection to proxy
>
>Whichever is the last entry in the log is the next stage at which you 
>should be looking at. Ideally a competent user can see immediately where 
>it got stuck.

The closest thing to this is setting Debug=1 in primenet.ini (version 22 only).
It is a bit more verbose than this and the output is a little more cryptic.

>This sort of error tracking is particularly relevant to me at the moment, 
>because I have recently been involved in supporting Windows apps, and 
>no-one has designed anything to narrow down problems.

I can sympathize with your plight.   Administration is often a thankless job.

>  Error messages are useless and say nothing more than "er, it didn't 
> work", and no clue is given as to which part of the procedure failed.

Guilty as charged.

>On the subject, all programmers should try to avoid giving their error 
>messages in little pop-ups that can't be cut and pasted. Don't just follow 
>the crowd. Make your error messages appear in text boxes which don't 
>require people to manually retype them. :-)

But this is the Microsoft standard!  The right answer is for MS to change the
way windows works - to allow copying text from message boxes.

Best regards,
George

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Re: Mersenne: Question about PrimeNet Individual Account Reports

2002-08-25 Thread George Woltman

At 08:37 AM 8/25/2002 -0700, Gary Edstrom wrote:
>In looking at my PrimeNet individual account report, I read the
>following sections:
>
>Unspecified type  :  1
>
>my desktop is a 2.2GHz Pentium IV and is
>checked as such in Options / CPU.
>
>Am I doing something wrong, or is this normal?

This is a known bug in the individual account reports.  P4s are reported
as unspecified type.

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Mersenne: Question about PrimeNet Individual Account Reports

2002-08-25 Thread Gary Edstrom

In looking at my PrimeNet individual account report, I read the
following sections:

  --- Machines Assigned to PrimeNet ---
 
Intel Pentium III :  2
Unspecified type  :  1
-- ---
TOTAL, uniquely named :  3


Now I understand the Pentium III computers, those are my laptop and my
computer at work.  However, my desktop is a 2.2GHz Pentium IV and is
checked as such in Options / CPU.

Am I doing something wrong, or is this normal?

Thanks, Gary

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