Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff
At 08:26 PM 3/9/99 -0800, Spike Jones wrote: >This reinforces an earlier notion I posted: that primes are the most >obvious thing to put in a messages bound for exocivilizations. In >retrospect, it is difficult to imagine such a message without reference >to prime numbers and/or mathematics as we know it. That what they used 35-40 years ago. >Consider this: *any* civilization that is capable of receiving our >messages must have developed knowledge of math functions, and >knowledge of division implies knowledge of primes. Postmodern relativists would disagree. +--+ | Jud McCranie [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +--+ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm
Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff
Yvan Dutil wrote: > I recently been involve in the conception of a message to be send to > extra-terrestrial on May 1 this year. ... > > By the way, we use prime. On the first page we have a list of prime > and we include the bigest we know: 2^3021377-1. This reinforces an earlier notion I posted: that primes are the most obvious thing to put in a messages bound for exocivilizations. In retrospect, it is difficult to imagine such a message without reference to prime numbers and/or mathematics as we know it. Consider this: *any* civilization that is capable of receiving our messages must have developed knowledge of math functions, and knowledge of division implies knowledge of primes. Without knowledge of math, humans could not have built anything significantly more impressive than that which other animals can build, such as bird nests, honeycombs, termite mounds, etc. But humans, being the only earthly species to have discovered mathematics, are also the only species that can send signals from the home planet, and are the only species in position to receive same from outside. All this reinforces the notion that we GIMPSers are working on something that *really matters* on the planetary scale, as well as the cosmic. spike Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm
Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff
David J. Fred wrote: > One called Lincos was created by Dr. Hans Freudenthal of the > Another system, proposed by Lancelot Hogben, was called Astraglossa And then of course there's Klingon, which apparently has an increasing speakership worldwide at the moment, with some parents speaking it exclusively in their homes around their children, for privacy one supposes. http://www.kli.org Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm
Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff
>To: Lars Soezueer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff >Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 22:09:55 -0500 >From: "David J. Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >From: Lars Soezueer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >There have been many attempts to construct such languages. > >I am not aware of any of these projects to be > >especially designed for communication with aliens. > >This is getting a little far afield, but... > >Chapter 26 of David Kahn's "The Codebreakers," revised and updated >1996, touches on several proposed systems. > >One called Lincos was created by Dr. Hans Freudenthal of the >University of Utrecht in the late '50s. Lincos stands for lingua >cosmica. The language was fully fleshed-out in a book by >Dr. Freudenthal called "Lincos: Design of a Language for Cosmic >Intercourse," North-Holland Publishing, 1960. > >Another system was proposed by Lancelot Hogben in the early '50s at >the request of the British Interplanetary Society. His was called >Astraglossa and was discussed in "The Journal of the British >Interplanetary Society," IX (November 1952). > >It is not entirely clear that either of these would actually be >practical language systems as described, but it is evident that work >has been done in this general direction. I recently been involve in the conception of a message to be send to extra-terrestrial on May 1 this year. We use the idea develloped by Freudenthal. However, unlike Freudenthal we use some schema to help. By the way, we use prime. On the first page we have a list of prime and we include the bigest we know: 2^3021377-1. Yvan Dutil Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm
Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff
>From: Lars Soezueer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >There have been many attempts to construct such languages. >I am not aware of any of these projects to be >especially designed for communication with aliens. This is getting a little far afield, but... Chapter 26 of David Kahn's "The Codebreakers," revised and updated 1996, touches on several proposed systems. One called Lincos was created by Dr. Hans Freudenthal of the University of Utrecht in the late '50s. Lincos stands for lingua cosmica. The language was fully fleshed-out in a book by Dr. Freudenthal called "Lincos: Design of a Language for Cosmic Intercourse," North-Holland Publishing, 1960. Another system was proposed by Lancelot Hogben in the early '50s at the request of the British Interplanetary Society. His was called Astraglossa and was discussed in "The Journal of the British Interplanetary Society," IX (November 1952). It is not entirely clear that either of these would actually be practical language systems as described, but it is evident that work has been done in this general direction. Regards, David -- Unofficial GIMPS Graphical Status Page -- http://ic.net/~djf/mers/ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm
Re: Mersenne: Re: Alien stuff
I could be wrong, but that looks like Esperanto to me. -- James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] >What I do know is that one of them has actually developed >into a living spoken language, >and the Web Pages of GIMPS are even available >in a translation to it: >http://try.physik.uni-erlangen.de/~soezueer/pr/prime/prime.html Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm
