Re: [Mesa-dev] should we do GSoC 2021?

2021-02-11 Thread Omar Emara
Hi Trevor,

I see. That's unfortunate. Thanks for letting me know!

In any case, I will try to contribute to mesa independently and
hopefully become part of the community.
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Re: [Mesa-dev] should we do GSoC 2021?

2021-02-10 Thread Trevor Woerner
Hi Omar,

On Wed 2021-02-10 @ 02:31:11 PM, Omar Emara wrote:
> If applying to GSoC will not take much time from you, I think you should apply
> regardless and leave the acceptance decision on a per-project basis.

GSoC works, literally, the other way around. Unfortunately GSoC doesn't start
with students expressing their interest, then organizations applying based
on the student interest they receive. GSoC starts with mentors willing to
volunteer to mentor, then organizations deciding to apply based on the level
of interest expressed by potential volunteers, then google selecting which
organizations can participate, then students expressing an interest.

Without a proper task list XOrg will not be selected by Google to participate
in GSoC. Google has always been clear that the task list is one of the most
important criteria for deciding which organizations they pick to participate.
Mentors need to update the task list with ideas they're willing to mentor. So
far nobody has volunteered to mentor, and by extension, nobody has volunteered
to update the tasks to fit into the new constraints Google is applying to GSoC
2021.

Organization applications close Feb 19, if there are no mentors we can't
possibly consider participating.
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Re: [Mesa-dev] should we do GSoC 2021?

2021-02-10 Thread Omar Emara
Hi Trevor,

Have you reached a decision yet regarding your participation in GSoC?
I am an interested student and it would be great to know in advance so that I
can prepare.

If applying to GSoC will not take much time from you, I think you should apply
regardless and leave the acceptance decision on a per-project basis. Students
may not necessary propose ideas from your ideas list, so updating the ideas list
may not be strictly necessary for a successful proposal. Just my thought on the
matter.

Thanks!
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[Mesa-dev] should we do GSoC 2021?

2021-02-01 Thread Trevor Woerner
Hi everyone,

There are discussions regarding whether or not we want to participate in
GSoC this year. Org applications are open now until Feb 19.

Last year at the GSoC Mentor Summit (Oct 2020) it was announced that
changes were coming to GSoC 2021:
- the amount of time a student is expected to spend on a project is halved
- stipends are halved
- overall duration is shortened to 10 weeks
- lowered eligibility requirements

As a result, project expectations are supposed to be reduced as well.
Whereas previously a student was expected to work 350 hours and had to be
enrolled in an accredited university programme, now projects are expected
to take a student 175 hours and accredited colleges and coding camps are
acceptable.

What this means right now is that our list of ideas (
https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/) needs to be checked to see if
it's still suitable. Are the project ideas still valid? Are they something
a student could do in 175 hours?

Some people feel that 175 hours might not be enough time to contribute a
significant coding effort against an fd.o project. At this point my gut
feeling is to hold off on the application. If I can't find anyone to help
go through the ideas list or who are willing to mentor under these new
changes then we'll need to consider our options.

Thoughts?

Thanks so much for reading, best regards,
Trevor
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