Fwd: [Re: HTML Formatted Mail (Off topic ?)]
andu : MetaCard can send any data using sockets but the html formatting with images and all that must be done by other app. You can also generate HTML pages "on the fly" through MC scripts and send those pages using sockets... JB Still on the subject of generating code "on the fly" through MC scripts, I'd like to insist on a feature I'd really like to see in further versions of MC (I already mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, but surprisingly nobody reacted to it) : the possibility to download the content of a handler (textfield, script, custom property, variable...) to any PS printer available on the network (just like you send data to a "socket"). The idea is to generate "on the fly" PostScript or PDF files and send the data to a PS printer, and thus increase MC printing capabilities by several orders of magnitude. Of course, this feature should be available on all platforms (AFAIR it's already available on the Unix version of MC). I'm not sure how many other MC users would be interested in that feature, but believe me : you can achieve wonderful printings. And you don't even have to master PostScript programing : this feature also allows you to download ready-made PDF or PS files (from Illustrator, Photoshop...). JB Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
universal mouseMove?
The mouseMove message is exactly what I'm looking for as a solution to something I'm working on, but with one drawback for my needs: it is only sent when the mouse moves inside of a MetaCard window; once outside, the message is no longer sent. Any know a native MetaTalk way to trap mouse movement anywhere on the screen, even outside of MC windows, so long as MC is in front? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: universal mouseMove?
On 2/2/01 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mouseMove message is exactly what I'm looking for as a solution to something I'm working on, but with one drawback for my needs: it is only sent when the mouse moves inside of a MetaCard window; once outside, the message is no longer sent. Any know a native MetaTalk way to trap mouse movement anywhere on the screen, even outside of MC windows, so long as MC is in front? The only way I can think of doing it would be to use a send...in handler with a short interval to check the screenMouseLoc. Regards, Kevin Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: universal mouseMove?
At 6:07 AM -0800 2/2/01, Richard Gaskin wrote: The mouseMove message is exactly what I'm looking for as a solution to something I'm working on, but with one drawback for my needs: it is only sent when the mouse moves inside of a MetaCard window; once outside, the message is no longer sent. Any know a native MetaTalk way to trap mouse movement anywhere on the screen, even outside of MC windows, so long as MC is in front? Using "send" might work. For example, in a card script: local sHaveFocus on mouseMove x,y put x "," y end mouseMove on mouseLeave put true into sHaveFocus send "exMouseMove" to me in 10 milliseconds end mouseLeave on exMouseMove put the mouseLoc into tPoint if (not within(me, tPoint)) and sHaveFocus then put tPoint send "exMouseMove" to me in 10 milliseconds end if end exMouseMove on suspendStack put false into sHaveFocus end suspendStack If this doesn't do what you want, I'm sure some variation of "send" will do the trick. BTW, mouseMove does get sent when the mouse is outside the window if the mouse is down. It gets sent to the object where the mouseDown occurred. Cheers Dave Cragg Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: HTML Formatted Mail (Off topic ?)
Actually, I should clarify my comments about pdf. Acrobat Reader is free cross-platform (at last Mac Windows), but to create pdf files you do need to purchase the full version of Acrobat. However, it's simple to create Acrobat files - you simply print your document to the Acrobat driver instead of a printer. Therefore the files can be anything you can create print from any application. Acrobat reader is free and can be downloaded (most web sites that provide content this way have a link to the download site). I assume you can buy Acrobat from Adobe's web site (as you've probably already found out if you've visited there). OK sounds like a plan. Does anyone know the specifics of pdf file format or where I can find this out? In the mean time I'll try Adobe. Is Acrobat cross platform? Also is it free to distribute Acrobat? I haven't yet begun to mess with this kind of thing, but it strikes me that you might want to think about creating pdf files for this purpose. After all, Acrobat is free... Regards, Dave Tremmel Adobe provides information on this, but it's fairly detailed. It's in a document available on their web site, called, "Portable Document Format Reference Manual." The file name is pdfspec.pdf. I got it from http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/acrosdk/DOCS/pdfspec.pdf gc Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Storing HTML Formatted Mail
Recently Monte asked about storing HTML files containing images and this generated some comment about use of acrobat, Web archives etc. Here's my knowledge on these things. 1) Acrobat Reader is free. Acrobat generation costs (about 150 UK pounds) and this is true whether you want to use the editor or print-to-PDF - you need the full paid-for version of Acrobat to legitimately generate Acrobat by any means that involves Adobe software (including their printer drivers). 2) There are cheaper 3rd party Acrobat generation software products, e.g. "Jaws PDF Creator" for the Mac. The Acrobat file format (PDF format) is published and it's possible to write your own PDF generation code if you wish. (I've not done this, but I have written RTF generation code using the published RTF spec. which is similar in style and complexity to the PDF spec. I believe). The URL for the documentation is: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/technotes.html#acrobat-pdf 3) Acrobat files can be read on Win/Mac/Unix using the free Reader. 4) You can freely distribute the Acrobat Reader installer as long as you include all the necessary files - Adobe are very supportive of this, you don't need to send them reports, licenses etc. So no problem including Acrobat Reader installers with your own code. It's easier than distributing the QuickTime installers since Apple insist on you getting a licence from them first and then sending them two copies of your product, and quarterly volume reports (how many installations, but not details). With Acrobat Reader, you just go ahead and distribute them, no hassle, no pack drill! 5) HTML files can't include embedded images, HTML is TEXT only, hence everything is in the form of URL links! 6) IE Web Archives are not only Microsoft-specific (ie.e. no good with Netscape), but are platform-specific as well - an IE Web Archive saved on a Mac can't be opened with IE on Windows and vice versa. How unusual for MS stuff to be mutually as well as universally incompatible, eh? ;) Hope this helps. Cheers Peter -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Ask ans Answer dialog
I wrote a stack a couple of MC versions ago. When I run it now and attempt to use the Ask or Answer dialog I get an error mesage. The only way out is to quit MC. I'm working on a Mac. I had used the resource mover on the original stack to create a standalone. ::: :: PLAN!! I'd rather be surprised. :: F.A. (Rick) Rice, Instructor [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Div. of Sciences and Health Sciences Phone: (250) 828-5424 :: The University College of the Cariboo Fax: (250) 828-5450 :: 900 McGill Road :: Box 3010 :: Kamloops, BC :: V2C 5N3 ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Fwd: [Re: HTML Formatted Mail (Off topic ?)]
jbv wrote: andu : MetaCard can send any data using sockets but the html formatting with images and all that must be done by other app. You can also generate HTML pages "on the fly" through MC scripts and send those pages using sockets... JB Still on the subject of generating code "on the fly" through MC scripts, I'd like to insist on a feature I'd really like to see in further versions of MC (I already mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, but surprisingly nobody reacted to it) : the possibility to download the content of a handler (textfield, script, custom property, variable...) to any PS printer available on the network (just like you send data to a "socket"). The idea is to generate "on the fly" PostScript or PDF files and send the data to a PS printer, and thus increase MC printing capabilities by several orders of magnitude. Of course, this feature should be available on all platforms (AFAIR it's already available on the Unix version of MC). Talking to the printer is the easy part, generating "on the fly" PS or PDF would imply MC has a built-in interpreter for that language. On UNIX platforms there is Ghostscript which is a "free" PS interpreter (and it sucks) and the only way to print more then text, but licensing anything from Adobe must be a fortune. I'm not sure how many other MC users would be interested in that feature, but believe me : you can achieve wonderful printings. And you don't even have to master PostScript programing : this feature also allows you to download ready-made PDF or PS files (from Illustrator, Photoshop...). JB Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Ask ans Answer dialog
on 2/2/01 10:24 AM, Rick Rice at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a stack a couple of MC versions ago. When I run it now and attempt to use the Ask or Answer dialog I get an error mesage. The only way out is to quit MC. I'm working on a Mac. I had used the resource mover on the original stack to create a standalone. You must delete the old resources from the saved stack and import new ones from the current version of MC. This is all done with the resource mover. -Mark Talluto Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Default font in Windows
On 2/2/01 5:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running MC 2.3.2 and something has changed on my system (Win 98) since I last ran MC. For some reason the font used when an object's font is "None" is different on this machine than it used to be. I can run the exact same MC.EXE from a different workstation (MC is on a network drive) and the text displays correctly. Am I missing a font perhaps? Do you have Helvetica installed? That is the default font but if it is not installed MC will substitute Arial. Kevin Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Ask ans Answer dialog
On 2/2/01 6:24 pm, Rick Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a stack a couple of MC versions ago. When I run it now and attempt to use the Ask or Answer dialog I get an error mesage. The only way out is to quit MC. I'm working on a Mac. I had used the resource mover on the original stack to create a standalone. Use the resource mover to delete the old resources and then copy in the new ones. You'll need to do this whenever an engine change affects the way these dialogs work or the dialogs get upgraded (which happened recently). Regards, Kevin Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
more on the ask aanswer dialog
I just posted re an older stack now running under MC 2.3.2 and the hang when the ask dialog or answer dialog executes. Here is a little more detail. I figured that as I had imported the answer and ask dialog stacks with the resource mover that some incompatability now exists so I tried in the message box delete stack "ask dialog" of stack "/Macintosh HD/Desktop Folder/Phelbotomy/Phlebotomy1.mc" I then tried: delete stack "ask dialog" of stack "Macintosh HD/Desktop Folder/Phelbotomy/Phlebotomy1.mc" No matter what, I get the following execution error "Chunk: can't find stack" Object field "Message Field" of card "message Box Card" of stack "Message Box" of stack "/Macintosh HD/Desktop Folder/Metacard" I'm on a DVD iMac System 9 128 RAM using MC 2.3.2 Rick Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Fwd: [Re: HTML Formatted Mail (Off topic ?)]
andu : Talking to the printer is the easy part, generating "on the fly" PS or PDF would imply MC has a built-in interpreter for that language. On UNIX platforms there is Ghostscript which is a "free" PS interpreter (and it sucks) and the only way to print more then text, but licensing anything from Adobe must be a fortune. Sorry, but there's a misunderstanding here : the only thing I need is a MC feature that allows me to talk to the printer. As for generating PostScript on the fly, I will take care of that myself when coding my scripts (as I master both PS and MetaTalk). But this feature isn't reserved to ppl who master PostScript : as I wrote before, you can imagine to have various ready-made PS of PDF files (made in other applications) that you can read and then download to the printer for great printings... Hope things are more clear now... JB Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: universal mouseMove?
Do you want the global loc. Also how often do you want it. You could send yourself a message every 1/2 a second like. on wheresMyMouse global tQuit if not tQuit then send wheresMyMouse to me in 1/2 seconds put the mouseScreenLoc end wheresMyMouse the tQuit is so it doesn't run away. Just set that to true when you want to stop the handler. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2001 12:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: universal mouseMove? The mouseMove message is exactly what I'm looking for as a solution to something I'm working on, but with one drawback for my needs: it is only sent when the mouse moves inside of a MetaCard window; once outside, the message is no longer sent. Any know a native MetaTalk way to trap mouse movement anywhere on the screen, even outside of MC windows, so long as MC is in front? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: HTML Formatted Mail (Off topic ?)
OK Thanks for that. I now have the problem that this needs to be usefull as a distrobution not for personal use. I'm still interested though particularly in the microsoft web archive format .mht which uses mume types to separate info in the file. Thanks again Monte Actually, I should clarify my comments about pdf. Acrobat Reader is free cross-platform (at last Mac Windows), but to create pdf files you do need to purchase the full version of Acrobat. However, it's simple to create Acrobat files - you simply print your document to the Acrobat driver instead of a printer. Therefore the files can be anything you can create print from any application. Acrobat reader is free and can be downloaded (most web sites that provide content this way have a link to the download site). I assume you can buy Acrobat from Adobe's web site (as you've probably already found out if you've visited there). OK sounds like a plan. Does anyone know the specifics of pdf file format or where I can find this out? In the mean time I'll try Adobe. Is Acrobat cross platform? Also is it free to distribute Acrobat? I haven't yet begun to mess with this kind of thing, but it strikes me that you might want to think about creating pdf files for this purpose. After all, Acrobat is free... Regards, Dave Tremmel Sorry off topic again but I'm wondering if it were at all possible to srore image data in a html file and have it readable by a browser. I'd like to save reports as html files but I need images in them and would like all to be in one file. Basicly I'd like to divide the page up into HTML and images. Is this possible. I asume if it was then more people would be doing it. Recently, Sjoerd Op 't Land wrote: Got a client who wants to send HTML formatted Mail to his customers. I've been looking into the same thing. Apparently the key part of the equation is the tool/client that is used to encode/send the mail. It needs to be capable of encoding multi-part MIME messages so that recipients will see plain text if there's no HTML formatting available. Not sure if MC could set up to do this. Otherwise, there's nothing special on the content end -- all you have to do is create standard (simple) HTML. Instead of just sending that plain text you have to send something like the thing below. As far as I know, you can't send HTML mail from a standard mail client -- this apparently requires dedicated sofware, at least from what I've been able to gather. Regards, Scott _ Scott Rossi Tactile Media - Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Telnet client
On 2/3/01 7:15 AM, Scott Raney wrote: I recall that awhile back someone on this list said that they had done some work on a telnet client using MetaCard sockets. Anyone know who that was, or have any other experience with this? Hi Scott, this is from my archive. -- From: Miel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 Jun 2000 11:43:05 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: telnet stack hi all, my telnet stack (.mc format) can be downloaded at: www.casema.net/~zweda/telnet.mc it's not stainless or anything but it's a start. enjoy! -=[MieL]=- - Get free email at http://mail.limpbizkit.com Regards, Scott Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Telnet client
LiangTyan Fui wrote: On 2/3/01 7:15 AM, Scott Raney wrote: I recall that awhile back someone on this list said that they had done some work on a telnet client using MetaCard sockets. Anyone know who that was, or have any other experience with this? Hi Scott, this is from my archive. -- From: Miel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 Jun 2000 11:43:05 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: telnet stack hi all, my telnet stack (.mc format) can be downloaded at: www.casema.net/~zweda/telnet.mc it's not stainless or anything but it's a start. enjoy! -=[MieL]=- I actually have that stack but it didn't do anything for me and looking at the script I don't think it can. I can send it to whoever needs it but I don't recommend it as an example of telnet protocol with mc. Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
