Re: Read this?

[Richard Gaskin]

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I wonder:  if all of us posted to the message board there, we'd probably
>> have more "get over it, get MetaCard" messages than all the "gosh, but I
>> like HyperCard" messages. :)
> 
> I think it's better to just leave them alone. Those who need a more
> full-bodied tool have already moved to the MetaCard list. Those who are
> still using only HyperCard are simply unable to afford MetaCard, or do
> not want to learn a different tool. As moderator of the HC list, I don't
> think I want to listen to all the complaints that would happen when the
> HC list gets "polluted" with info about competing products, though I
> have to admit there are many times when I am just itching to say, "but
> MetaCard does that already!" I have to bite my tongue all the time.

Once again, your sober perspective is well worth listening too.  Thanks.

It wasn't my intention to "poke fun" at HyperCard as one of the other posts
suggests, but rather to remind them that nearly everything they've ever
asked for -- and more -- is already available, in MetaCard.

But you're right:  many of those folks only want such a tool if it comes at
a price which makes it commercially inviable.  I don't think there are that
many folks still doing commercial development on the HC list anyway ('cept
those using MC, of course ).

Thanks for the thoughtful perspective.

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Re: Read this?

[Mark Talluto]

Cl!  I can't wait.  I know there are a lot of other people here that 
can't either.

-Mark


On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 05:53 PM, Scott Raney wrote:

> And speaking of OS X ports, we should start testing the next release
> of MetaCard in a few days, including the new Carbon engine.

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Cloned Ask and Answer Dialogs

[Sivakatirswami]

Ok, Please confirm then

Use of the "ask" and "answer" commands will invoke ONLY the "ask dialog" and
"answer dialog" substacks of the mctools.mc

If that is true, the suggestion to "use of the ask dialog is discouraged,
however... a better idea is to clone this dialog and give it a more
descriptive name and context sensitive help."

I am not sure why that is a "better idea" since there after one's "ask" and
"Answer" commands would fail and you would need to build your own code from
the ground up I must be missing something terribly simple.


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OS X (was: Re: Read this?)

[Geoff Canyon]

At 6:53 PM -0700 3/30/01, Scott Raney wrote:
>And speaking of OS X ports, we should start testing the next release
>of MetaCard in a few days, including the new Carbon engine.  Though

Whooo!!!


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Re: Read this?

[Scott Raney]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 Simon Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone read this?  It's a hoot.
> 
> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0103/26.hypercard.shtml 

It's also probably just plain inaccurate: if our own porting
experience is any guide, it'd be a *lot* more work to port HyperCard
to Carbon than what they're estimating.  Not even considering that the
temptation to make improvements to the core technology in the process
would be practically irresistable, yielding to which would blow holes
in the schedule that you could drive a bus through.

And speaking of OS X ports, we should start testing the next release
of MetaCard in a few days, including the new Carbon engine.  Though
Codewarrior is still very broken on OS X (using the debugger is an
absolute nightmare), the released version of the OS itself is in
not-too-bad of shape and though there are still some warts and missing
features, we should be able to release on the current libraries.  Just
keep in mind that some MetaCard features (e.g., "hide menubar") won't
be available until Apple gets around to finishing the new APIs for
these things.
  Regards,
Scott

PS: in case anyone missed us, or had mail bounce or generate warnings,
our main ISP shut down on Wednesday, graciously giving us about 20
hours notice to transfer everything over to our backup ISPs.  We
didn't lose anything as far as we know, but mail was likely delayed
for some people and it's going to take a few days to get things
working smoothly again and to get caught up.  If you think there's any
possibility that one of your messages didn't get through, please
resend it.  Oh, and a word of advice: if you start hearing rumors
about your ISP having financial trouble, be like a rat and jump the
sinking ship at your earliest convenience.  We saw the warning signs
but naively trusted the ISP when they said that everything was under
control and that they had a transition plan in place.  Turns out they
lied.

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Re: iHUG

[Pierre Sahores]

Klaus Major wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> this is especially for Pierre.
> 
> Please, Pierre, this is your last post, but where is the punchline?
> 
> I mean, what did you really post.
> 
> All i can read are quotes.
> 
> Remember the discussion about wasting bandwidth?
> Well, ehm...
> 
> This is a very "good" example for that topic.
> 
> Or am i overseeing something?
> Is there a deeper meaning in jut quoting something.
> 
> Please tell me, i am willing to learn :-)
> 
> Please don't take it personally, but think it over.
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> 


Hi Klaus,

I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.74 under Linux and the mail and newsgroup
formating prefs are probably wrong sets. I was using the "convert the message
into plain text" until i got your post and i'm yet testing the "send the message
in HTML anyway". Is that wrong and if, how to configure the mail browser to
avoid the problem ?

Thank's for both the alert and the help :-)

> Pierres last post:
> 
> > Klaus Major a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi Andu,
> >>
> >>> From: andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Subject: Re: Read this?
> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:29:30 -0500 (EST)
> >>>
> 
>  Anyone read this?  It's a hoot.
> 
>  http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0103/26.hypercard.shtml
> >>>
> >>> This guys didn't have sex in a very long time.
> >>> They are probably the same people who say MetaCard is too expansive but they
> >>> have the
> >>> money to buy MacOS X and put up a stand to express unfulfillment.
> >>>
> 
>  Cheers,
>  Simon
> >>
> >>> Regards, Andu
> >>
> >> YEAH :-)
> >>
> >> You are bloody right, Andu!
> >>
> >> (May i write "bloody" in the USA??? ;-)
> >>
> >> Regards from good old germany
> >>
> >> Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> MetaScape GmbH
> >>
> >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/
> >> Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
> >> Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
> >
> > Regards, Pierre Sahores
> >
> > WEB & VPN applications & databases servers
> > Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis
> > Qualifier & produire l'avantage compétitif
> >
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> End of Pierres last post
> 
> Ce n'est pas le premier fois...  ;-)

Ich habe jetzt zu versuche "best" zu machen...
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Auf wiedersehen, Pierre Sahores

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Re: Read this?

[Pierre Sahores]

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wonder:  if all of us posted to the message board there, we'd probably
> > have more "get over it, get MetaCard" messages than all the "gosh, but I
> > like HyperCard" messages. :)
> 
> I think it's better to just leave them alone. Those who need a more
> full-bodied tool have already moved to the MetaCard list. Those who are
> still using only HyperCard are simply unable to afford MetaCard, or do
> not want to learn a different tool. As moderator of the HC list, I don't
> think I want to listen to all the complaints that would happen when the
> HC list gets "polluted" with info about competing products, though I
> have to admit there are many times when I am just itching to say, "but
> MetaCard does that already!" I have to bite my tongue all the time.
> 
> And (not directed at you, Richard, but at the other posters): It still
> hurts me to hear people laughing about the effort to save HyperCard,
> though I gave up on it myself a long time ago. There is a love for
> HyperCard that goes beyond the tool itself; there is a spirit there that
> even the MetaCard community doesn't have. I have never met a group of
> people who are so emotionally attached to a software product -- and that
> includes me. While MetaCard inspires respect and awe, I do not see the
> same emotional attachment here as the HyperCard community has for
> HyperCard. I am not surprised that some people on this list do not understand.
> 
> I think it is cruel to laugh at people who are grieving.
> 

Right, right and right even if, by supporting the "alive xtalks" too - Supercard
and Metacard, we are fighting - for the future - in a not so bad way too... Is
n't ?
PLUS, OMO, HC or Hypersense are dead or far dead and spending time to wait about
their "ressurection" is probably not the best to do to help the xtalk commmunity
to grow ;-)

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Re: List auto-unsubscribe? (was "OS X")

[Phil Davis]

I un-subbed on my @home account and re-subbed on another e-mail
account. Hopefully that'll take care of it. I saw (by looking at the
list archive site, cuz I stopped receiving it by e-mail) that someone
else has had problems with list mail via @home service too.

Thanks.

Phil Davis


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: List auto-unsubscribe? (was "OS X")


> Hi Geoff,
>
> That has happened to me several times over the last few months. The
last
> time was earlier this month: I received MC list mail normally until
I
> responded to a message. For the rest of that day I still received MC
list
> mail, but starting the next day I was apparently no longer
subscribed.
>
> Go figger. And of course now I'll have to check tomorrow and see if
I'm
> still subscribed. :-\
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X
>
>
> > At 9:13 PM -0800 3/27/01, Mark Talluto wrote:
> > >>I have it installed as well.  Can't wait to develop on it.
> > >>
> > >>-Mark
> > >>
> > >>On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 02:45 PM, Simon Lord wrote:
> > >>
> > >Ok, I have it installed Scott.  :^)
> > >
> > >Do you have something for me to test???
> > >--
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Simon
> >
> > Somehow I got bumped from the list -- again :-(
> >
> > I'll assume that I missed something here and add that I have OS X
> > installed as well, and a few hundred megabytes reserved for a
certain
> > application--and what I develop with it...
> >
> > gc
> >
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RE: answer/ask dialogs + repeat loops

[Monte Goulding]

I have found this also but it's not only a rev bug. A workaround I use is
"wait 6 ticks" after wach call to a modal dialog which usually forces a
screen redraw.
>
> When an answer or ask dialog triggers a longer repeat loop (e.g.
> colorizing particular strings in a fields with a greater number of
> textlines or changing the color/shape of a greater number of graphics or
> fields etc.) the dialogs remain on top of the screen until the repeat
> loop is finished.
>
> In the case of the answer dialog the clicked button of the dialog
> vanishes, in case of the ask dialog the input text is hidden, but the
> dialogs remain and are then gradually wiped out as parts of the screen
> underneath the modal dialog are changed, producing sort of a dissolving
> effect, but otherwise conveying the impression of bad programming.
>
> Is there a possibility to immediately close the dialog under these
> conditions?
>
> Splitting up the handler into two buttons (first starting the modal
> dialog, then sending mouseup to the second button with the repeat loop)
> sometimes helps, but mostly not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
>
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Re: Oh my god...

[andu]

Simon Lord wrote:
> 
> Now the Hypercard users got themselves on Slashdot!

...with the big boys...

> 
> http://www.slashdot.org/
> 
> --
> 
> Cheers,
> Simon

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Re: Read this?

[Richard MacLemale]

As a former HyperCard advocate, I have to say that I agree that making fun
of HyperCard users is lame.  Yes MetaCard blows HyperCard away, but at 10
times the price.  We need to remember that MetaCard is not priced for
beginner programmers and hobbyists.  It's priced for pros.  If HyperCard
could do what MetaCard could do, I never would have left.

We should morn the death of HyperCard also, because it will be one less
xtalk product out there, and I think you all know how hard it is right now
talking clients into an xtalk solution...  In a small way, the death of
HyperCard makes it just a little harder to talk clients into using MetaCard.

This is utter nonsense, of course, because there's no logic involved, but
when has logic ever been a huge factor in technology?  What on earth made
people choose Windows 3.1 over the Mac?  (For that matter, Windows Me over
OS 9, but that's another story...)

So let's all lay off the HyperCard folks.  Many of us here may look down on
HyperCard, but somewhere there may be a person who graduated from MetaCard
to C++ who is laughing at us.  And that's not right either.


:)
Richard MacLemale
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Re: Read this?

[andu]

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wonder:  if all of us posted to the message board there, we'd probably
> > have more "get over it, get MetaCard" messages than all the "gosh, but I
> > like HyperCard" messages. :)
> 
> I think it's better to just leave them alone. Those who need a more
> full-bodied tool have already moved to the MetaCard list. Those who are
> still using only HyperCard are simply unable to afford MetaCard, or do
> not want to learn a different tool. As moderator of the HC list, I don't
> think I want to listen to all the complaints that would happen when the
> HC list gets "polluted" with info about competing products, though I
> have to admit there are many times when I am just itching to say, "but
> MetaCard does that already!" I have to bite my tongue all the time.
> 
> And (not directed at you, Richard, but at the other posters): It still
> hurts me to hear people laughing about the effort to save HyperCard,
> though I gave up on it myself a long time ago. There is a love for
> HyperCard that goes beyond the tool itself; there is a spirit there that
> even the MetaCard community doesn't have. I have never met a group of
> people who are so emotionally attached to a software product -- and that
> includes me. 
>While MetaCard inspires respect and awe, I do not see the
> same emotional attachment here as the HyperCard community has for
> HyperCard. I am not surprised that some people on this list do not understand.
> 
> I think it is cruel to laugh at people who are grieving.

IMHO these are people who love to grieve and would do it anyway for one
reason or another: any reasonable person would've understood the fate of
Hypercard years ago and let it die with dignity or use it as it is. It
is not the attachment to Hypercard which is unreasonable but the
intensity of it.
Money doesn't seem to be the issue here since these guys imply to use
MacOS X which implies ownership of a G4 or G3 mac.
Maybe we should pity them.

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Oh my god...

[Simon Lord]

Now the Hypercard users got themselves on Slashdot!

http://www.slashdot.org/

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Re: List auto-unsubscribe? (was "OS X")

[Phil Davis]

If this message makes it to the list, I wasn't auto-unsubscribed at the end
of the day I sent my last message. However, I haven't received any list mail
since that day (28 March). H.

Phil Davis


- Original Message -
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Subject: List auto-unsubscribe? (was "OS X")


> Hi Geoff,
>
> That has happened to me several times over the last few months. The last
> time was earlier this month: I received MC list mail normally until I
> responded to a message. For the rest of that day I still received MC list
> mail, but starting the next day I was apparently no longer subscribed.
>
> Go figger. And of course now I'll have to check tomorrow and see if I'm
> still subscribed. :-\
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X
>
>
> > At 9:13 PM -0800 3/27/01, Mark Talluto wrote:
> > >>I have it installed as well.  Can't wait to develop on it.
> > >>
> > >>-Mark
> > >>
> > >>On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 02:45 PM, Simon Lord wrote:
> > >>
> > >Ok, I have it installed Scott.  :^)
> > >
> > >Do you have something for me to test???
> > >--
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Simon
> >
> > Somehow I got bumped from the list -- again :-(
> >
> > I'll assume that I missed something here and add that I have OS X
> > installed as well, and a few hundred megabytes reserved for a certain
> > application--and what I develop with it...
> >
> > gc
> >
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Re: Read this?

[Jacqueline Landman Gay]

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder:  if all of us posted to the message board there, we'd probably
> have more "get over it, get MetaCard" messages than all the "gosh, but I
> like HyperCard" messages. :)

I think it's better to just leave them alone. Those who need a more
full-bodied tool have already moved to the MetaCard list. Those who are
still using only HyperCard are simply unable to afford MetaCard, or do
not want to learn a different tool. As moderator of the HC list, I don't
think I want to listen to all the complaints that would happen when the
HC list gets "polluted" with info about competing products, though I
have to admit there are many times when I am just itching to say, "but
MetaCard does that already!" I have to bite my tongue all the time.

And (not directed at you, Richard, but at the other posters): It still
hurts me to hear people laughing about the effort to save HyperCard,
though I gave up on it myself a long time ago. There is a love for
HyperCard that goes beyond the tool itself; there is a spirit there that
even the MetaCard community doesn't have. I have never met a group of
people who are so emotionally attached to a software product -- and that
includes me. While MetaCard inspires respect and awe, I do not see the
same emotional attachment here as the HyperCard community has for
HyperCard. I am not surprised that some people on this list do not understand.

I think it is cruel to laugh at people who are grieving.

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Re: Read This

[andu]

>
>>Anyone read this?  It's a hoot.
>>
>>http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0103/26.hypercard.shtml
>
>>This guys didn't have sex in a very long time.
>>They are probably the same people who say MetaCard is too expansive but
>>they have the
>>money to buy MacOS X and put up a stand to express unfulfillment.
>
>Simon & Andu,
>
>As one of the iHug representatives who manned the Macworld booth:
>
>1. I fail to see the humor you find in this effort.
>
>2. I would venture to say you have very little idea of what the spirit
>driving the HyperCard community is all about.

I don't think it takes a lot of imagination to figure it out. 

>
>3. If you're laughing at the estimate of resources required for
>carbonization, it came directly from the former head of Apple's HyperCard
>programming team.
>
>Rob Cozens
>http://www.serendipitysoftware.com/who.html
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>Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
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Re: iHUG

[Klaus Major]

Hi folks,

this is especially for Pierre.

Please, Pierre, this is your last post, but where is the punchline?

I mean, what did you really post.

All i can read are quotes.

Remember the discussion about wasting bandwidth?
Well, ehm...

This is a very "good" example for that topic.

Or am i overseeing something?
Is there a deeper meaning in jut quoting something.

Please tell me, i am willing to learn :-)

Please don't take it personally, but think it over.


Thanks and regards

Klaus Major



Pierres last post:

> Klaus Major a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi Andu,
>> 
>>> From: andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: Read this?
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:29:30 -0500 (EST)
>>> 
 
 Anyone read this?  It's a hoot.
 
 http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0103/26.hypercard.shtml
>>> 
>>> This guys didn't have sex in a very long time.
>>> They are probably the same people who say MetaCard is too expansive but they
>>> have the
>>> money to buy MacOS X and put up a stand to express unfulfillment.
>>> 
 
 Cheers,
 Simon
>> 
>>> Regards, Andu
>> 
>> YEAH :-)
>> 
>> You are bloody right, Andu!
>> 
>> (May i write "bloody" in the USA??? ;-)
>> 
>> Regards from good old germany
>> 
>> Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ce n'est pas le premier fois...  ;-)


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Re: [OT] Scriptics.com? Osterhaut gone?

[Rick Rice]

andu:
Is this it?

http://dev.scriptics.com/doc/scripting.html

andu wrote:

> >
> >I've been looking for the Osterhaut paper on "Scripting: Programming for the
> >21st Century", but it seems the Scriptics.com server is offline -- for about
> >a month now.

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Re: Ask and Answer Clones/How to invoke

[Kevin Miller]

On 28/3/01 6:19 am, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How to I make sure the "Input" dialog stack opens and not the native/on
> board "Ask" dialog opens? And will it pass the data to the variable it,
> regardless of the stack name?

This isn't supported - you would need to write a custom command or function
that opens the dialog, and rewrite the dialog slightly to read in data from
that command / function (e.g. it could set a custom property on the stack).

Regards,

Kevin

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Re: Read This

[Rob Cozens]

>Anyone read this?  It's a hoot.
>
>http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0103/26.hypercard.shtml

>This guys didn't have sex in a very long time.
>They are probably the same people who say MetaCard is too expansive but
>they have the
>money to buy MacOS X and put up a stand to express unfulfillment.

Simon & Andu,

As one of the iHug representatives who manned the Macworld booth:

1. I fail to see the humor you find in this effort.

2. I would venture to say you have very little idea of what the spirit
driving the HyperCard community is all about.

3. If you're laughing at the estimate of resources required for
carbonization, it came directly from the former head of Apple's HyperCard
programming team.

Rob Cozens
http://www.serendipitysoftware.com/who.html

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: answer/ask dialogs + repeat loops

[Wilhelm Sanke]

> Subject:
> answer/ask dialogs + repeat loops
>Date:
> Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:25:11 +0200
>From:
> Wilhelm Sanke
>  To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
> When an answer or ask dialog triggers a longer repeat loop (e.g.
> colorizing particular strings in a fields with a greater number of
> textlines or changing the color/shape of a greater number of graphics or
> fields etc.) the dialogs remain on top of the screen until the repeat
> loop is finished.
>
> In the case of the answer dialog the clicked button of the dialog
> vanishes, in case of the ask dialog the input text is hidden, but the
> dialogs remain and are then gradually wiped out as parts of the screen
> underneath the modal dialog are changed, producing sort of a dissolving
> effect, but otherwise conveying the impression of bad programming.
>
> Is there a possibility to immediately close the dialog under these
> conditions?
>
> Splitting up the handler into two buttons (first starting the modal
> dialog, then sending mouseup to the second button with the repeat loop)
> sometimes helps, but mostly not.
>
>

Here is a workaround I found meanwhile for the ask/answer dialogs
remaining on top of the screen with longer repeat loops:

As changes in objects under the area of the modal dialog wipe out the
respective part of the dialog, set the rectangle of a field or button
(transparent without borders and name) to the rect of the modal dialog.
It is necessary to change the rect of the "covering" object afterwards
(or before), because when it remains unchanged next time the modal
dialog stays on top as before. *Changing* the part of the screen where
the dialog is displayed is the essential part of the workaround.

Here a sample script:

"on mouseUp
  answer "Change borderwidth and bordercolors?" with "Yes" or "No"
  put the rect of stack "answer dialog" into d_rect
  set the rect of btn "cover" to d_rect
  show btn "cover"
  hide btn "cover"
  set the rect of btn "cover" to 3,3,10,10
  send "mouseup" to btn "change borders"
end mouseup"

Wilhelm Sanke



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Re: [OT] Scriptics.com? Osterhaut gone?

[michael kann]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.scriptics.com/people/john.ousterhout/scripting.html+ousterhout&hl=en

The above URL took me there. All one word of course.

Ousterhout brought in the money guys and changed the
name from Scriptics to Aruba to service the B2B
market. Aruba was then sold to another company. The
TCL open source people formed a group to carry on with
TCL. I'm not sure where that lives now.

--- andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I've been looking for the Osterhaut paper on
> "Scripting: Programming for the
> >21st Century", but it seems the Scriptics.com
> server is offline -- for about
> >a month now.
> 
> Is this the guy with TCL? I think he had a personal
> page too.
> 
> >
> >Anyone know if that paper has a new URL?  I
> couldn't turn up an alternate
> >when I searched a Google
> >
> >Thanks in advance -
> >
> >-- 
> > Richard Gaskin 
> > Fourth World Media Corporation
> > Multimedia Design and Development for Mac,
> Windows, UNIX, and the Web
> >
>
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HowToFindSMTP?

[michael kann]

I'm been testing out LiangTyan Fui's fine email stack.
Much thanks for his efforts. When it asks for the SMTP
server I put in smtp.cox-internet.com because I happen
to know it. How would someone find out this info if
they didn't know it? For example if someone at school
wants to send an email how would they know the SMTP
server of the school. Better, but probably impossible,
how would Metacard find it out by itself? Thanks
again, Michael Kann 

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LexiBot

[michael kann]

The program Mata Hari has been resurrected as LexiBot.
For those working with sockets to access websites and
search engines you might be interested in what this
program can do. 30-day trial at lexibot.com

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Re: answer/ask dialogs + repeat loops

[Dave Cragg]

At 11:25 am +0200 30/3/01, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>When an answer or ask dialog triggers a longer repeat loop (e.g.
>colorizing particular strings in a fields with a greater number of
>textlines or changing the color/shape of a greater number of graphics or
>fields etc.) the dialogs remain on top of the screen until the repeat
>loop is finished.
>
>In the case of the answer dialog the clicked button of the dialog
>vanishes, in case of the ask dialog the input text is hidden, but the
>dialogs remain and are then gradually wiped out as parts of the screen
>underneath the modal dialog are changed, producing sort of a dissolving
>effect, but otherwise conveying the impression of bad programming.
>
>Is there a possibility to immediately close the dialog under these
>conditions?
>

Try putting a short wait after the ask or answer line in your script. E.g.

answer 
wait 6 ticks
continue here

This is useful for most modal dialogs where the script continues 
after the ask/answer/modal command, and some kind of screen redrawing 
takes place in that part of the script.

Cheers
Dave Cragg

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answer/ask dialogs + repeat loops

[Wilhelm Sanke]

When an answer or ask dialog triggers a longer repeat loop (e.g.
colorizing particular strings in a fields with a greater number of
textlines or changing the color/shape of a greater number of graphics or
fields etc.) the dialogs remain on top of the screen until the repeat
loop is finished.

In the case of the answer dialog the clicked button of the dialog
vanishes, in case of the ask dialog the input text is hidden, but the
dialogs remain and are then gradually wiped out as parts of the screen
underneath the modal dialog are changed, producing sort of a dissolving
effect, but otherwise conveying the impression of bad programming.

Is there a possibility to immediately close the dialog under these
conditions?

Splitting up the handler into two buttons (first starting the modal
dialog, then sending mouseup to the second button with the repeat loop)
sometimes helps, but mostly not.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


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Re: iHUG

[Pierre Sahores]

Klaus Major a écrit :
> 
> Hi Andu,
> 
> > From: andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Read this?
> > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:29:30 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >>
> >> Anyone read this?  It's a hoot.
> >>
> >> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0103/26.hypercard.shtml
> >
> > This guys didn't have sex in a very long time.
> > They are probably the same people who say MetaCard is too expansive but they
> > have the
> > money to buy MacOS X and put up a stand to express unfulfillment.
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Simon
> 
> > Regards, Andu
> 
> YEAH :-)
> 
> You are bloody right, Andu!
> 
> (May i write "bloody" in the USA??? ;-)
> 
> Regards from good old germany
> 
> Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MetaScape GmbH
> 
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