Re: New on this list but not a newbie

2002-11-02 Thread andu


--On Saturday, November 02, 2002 16:38:37 -0800 Alain Farmer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Things in the lab I work for are at a turning-point
right now. One of our objectives is to create a
communication, collaboration and E-learning platform
where the components can be mixed-and-matched at will,
forming whole systems ( value-added solutions ) whose
components interoperate seemlessly.


I've heard this before mostly in ads for various java[script] based 
products but never could figure out what exactly such contraption would 
look like and how exactly could one mix-and-match components and with what 
purpose, could you please enlighten me?


The point of all of this is that I am trying to
convince the lab I work for to opt for an xCard
approach (breakthru) instead of the web-only approach
(conformity & mediocrity) that so many are resorting
to now. My presentations on this issue have had a
definite impact on my colleagues, but they are still
hesitating a bit because not-conforming to what
everyone is doing is perceived as risky.


The only things really missing in Metacard regarding your project are 
direct database integration and maybe encryption. There is no "breakthru" 
in using Metacard for your project just a more efficient spending of time 
and energy but I know what you mean.

Alain Farmer
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New on this list but not a newbie

2002-11-02 Thread Alain Farmer
Hello everyone,

I am new on this list but, judging by the glance I
took at the archives of this mailing list, I'm going
to feel right at home. I noticed, for instance, that
my three buddies from "OPN" are very active on this
list ; specifically Xavier Bury, David Bovill and
Monte Goulding. What's shaking guys? What became of
our MetaCard-based Jabber client? This is not just an
off-hand question, BTW, because the lab I work for is
desperately seeking a Web-based chat whose content is
XML and, thereby, interoperable with other Web-based
clients for other communication means, forming a
cohesive whole where all the different components of a
complete groupware solution interoperate seamlessly.
All the better if this solution can also interoperate
with other existing chats like Jabber does. You were
dead-on, David, about the relevance of Jabber.

Things in the lab I work for are at a turning-point
right now. One of our objectives is to create a
communication, collaboration and E-learning platform
where the components can be mixed-and-matched at will,
forming whole systems ( value-added solutions ) whose
components interoperate seemlessly. This objective is
not the issue though. Nor is open-source versus
closed-source the issue because we have definitely
opted for OPEN source, adherence to as many open
standards as possible, and multi-platform deployment.
The turning-point I alluded to has to do with *HOW* we
should go about achieving it. To make it
multi-platform, many of my colleagues are arguing that
we should make it entirely web-based. You know the
drill : PHP, mySQL, and that sort of thing.
Technologies that are indeed very mainstream these
days among web developers. And most of them are
open-source and free of charge. There is no denying
that this is a "safe" and "rational" approach, but
genuine breakthru innovation requires more than this.
I have been doing this web stuff for about 7 years
now, and I've tried countless pure-Web solutions, and
still none of the Web stuff compares to the
interactivity and performance that can be achieved
with *real* software. Particularly software like
MetaCard which is as multi-platform as any existing
web-browser; for playback (like the Web) as well as
authoring (unlike the Web); client-side as well as
server-side (just like Java but incomparably simpler).
Web pages, even with JavaScript in them, are severely
limited in terms of client-side interactivity. You
cannot easily allow the users to move things around,
do drag-and-drop stuff, and so on. I could go
on-and-on about the downsides of the Web versus
MetaCard's upsides, but I don't want to turn this post
into an essay. Besides it's a moot issue because
MetaCard is web-savvy, e.g. it can do anything that a
web-browser can in terms of accessing the Internet.
The only web thing that MetaCard cannot do as well as
web-browsers can is to render HTML (which I suggested
to Scott many months ago, but he rejected this
feature-request). The Java-based version of FreeCard,
OTOH, will be able to do this when it's released, in
which case what the Web offers becomes a subset of
what our xCard can offer. On the development side of
things, a scripted xCard is easier for most
non-professionals to build on their own than all of
the Web stuff based on PHP, let alone programming
something multi-platform with a traditional
programming language and development environment.
Scripting with an xTalk instead of JavaScript or
VBscript and/or one or more server-side languages.
Precise WYSIWYG placement instead of the approximate
layout suggested by a markup language. And so much
more.

The point of all of this is that I am trying to
convince the lab I work for to opt for an xCard
approach (breakthru) instead of the web-only approach
(conformity & mediocrity) that so many are resorting
to now. My presentations on this issue have had a
definite impact on my colleagues, but they are still
hesitating a bit because not-conforming to what
everyone is doing is perceived as risky. I believe
that providing them with a MC-based Jabber-client that
is XML-compliant would put them over the top and, more
generally, other Web-savvy MC-based solutions would
also be persuasive and, ultimately, a large collection
of existing stacks to demonstrate the versatility and
usefulness of an xCard would be nice too ( IOW a
"MetaCard Pantechnicon" ).

Just so you know where my 'head' is at,

Alain Farmer
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Re: metacard digest, Vol 1 #382 - 8 msgs

2002-11-02 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Eric,


Where can I download a copy of MetaCard 2.5fl ?


check this URL:

ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/2.5/


Havbe a nice weekend.

Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: metacard digest, Vol 1 #382 - 8 msgs

2002-11-02 Thread eric engle
Where can I download a copy of MetaCard 2.5ß ?

I have written two articles on law and computing which
will be published (online and offline) and which will
use 2 metaCard stacks. I am happy to include a
"Credits" card for metacard - does MC have anything
particular that they want said? (Besides "thanks for
this awesome tool) I'm happy to write something myself
but also happy to put whatever MC wants.

Best wishes, hopefully this will only be the start of
MetaCard as an academic computing tool.


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Re: MetaCard 2.5 alpha 6 now available

2002-11-02 Thread Dominique
> I think the most attractive think for me is the new script editor features.

Only tried with a little test stack; no problem till now...

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