Re: Fwd: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...

2003-06-15 Thread andu


--On Sunday, June 15, 2003 19:06:46 -0700 Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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And I would prefer a product I pay for and which is therefore supported
to a free, Open Source solution for which I'd be on my own for support.
This is a little off subject but you don't seem to have it very clear about 
open source software versus payed for, and support. I've been using both 
free operating system and software for more then I can remember and support 
was as good as metacard's which is the only not free one with still good 
support. All the tips we share on this list amount to free software. Most 
of the web that you use comes from free software: server, server side 
scripting, databases, browser, email, you name it.
Doing some research before repeating Microsoft's mantra may prove 
beneficial to your mental health. This idea that you get what you pay for 
is so outdated that I'm surprised some people still remember it.

Regards, Andu Novac
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Re: Fwd: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...

2003-06-15 Thread Dan Shafer
I would absolutely be willing to pay for a multi-platform browser tool like this one 
accessible from RR/MC.

The "free" access to a browser in MC isn't what I need; launching the user's browser 
rather than keeping the user in the context of my application isn't acceptable for 
much of my Web-centric development work. And I would prefer a product I pay for and 
which is therefore supported to a free, Open Source solution for which I'd be on my 
own for support.

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>--On Monday, June 16, 2003 12:11:18 +1200 Rodney Tamblyn 
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>> Forwarded posting Chipp Walters, to use-revolution.  If members of this
>> list are seriously interested in seeing a Mac external to display web
>> content within a MC window, read on...
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>Something like this would make sense to be based on Mozilla, I think.
>There are so many free products based on Mozilla that I think this one 
>should be free too. It would be certainly convenient to have such an 
>external but considering metacard can launch urls in browses as it is, I 
>would definitely not pay for it (donations, maybe).
>I would pay for better integration with a web server and database though.
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>Regards, Andu Novac
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Re: Fwd: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...

2003-06-15 Thread andu


--On Monday, June 16, 2003 12:11:18 +1200 Rodney Tamblyn 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Forwarded posting Chipp Walters, to use-revolution.  If members of this
list are seriously interested in seeing a Mac external to display web
content within a MC window, read on...
Something like this would make sense to be based on Mozilla, I think.
There are so many free products based on Mozilla that I think this one 
should be free too. It would be certainly convenient to have such an 
external but considering metacard can launch urls in browses as it is, I 
would definitely not pay for it (donations, maybe).
I would pay for better integration with a web server and database though.



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Fwd: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...

2003-06-15 Thread Rodney Tamblyn
Forwarded posting Chipp Walters, to use-revolution.  If members of this 
list are seriously interested in seeing a Mac external to display web 
content within a MC window, read on...

R.

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From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2003  10:23:19 AM Pacific/Auckland
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
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Edwin,

First a bit of a background on altBrowser.DLL.

I originally wanted this capability for a client of mine. I wished to 
build
a custom browser with many set features, which also allowed his 
customers to
navigate only to specific places. Upon asking around, it turned out 
Tuviah
Snyder (of RR and MC fame) had already authored such a DLL. I asked him
about it and found out it didn't do everything I needed, so I 
negotiated the
purchase of the source code, with the understanding any changes made 
to it,
I would make available back to Tuviah. My partner, Chris Bohnert, an
accomplished C programmer himself, would be able to make the *other*
changes.

I also contacted Kevin at RunRev and asked his interest in RR using 
the DLL
inside their own product. He responded by saying they would consider 
it IF
there was cross-platform support. Well, Chris and I weren't in a 
position to
build a Mac version. Tuviah said he'd consider it. That's were we are 
now.
Tuviah is still interested in building a 'Safari' version, if people 
are
interested. Recently, we chatted and floated the number of $75 for both
versions...Mac and PC. Neither of us are planning on this as a 
significant
revenue stream. We would of course like to recover our expenses, and 
pay for
the inevitable support which is needed.

So, those of you *seriously* interested in the Mac version, please 
fill out
the form at the bottom of this page.

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altBrowser.htm

When I say seriously interested, I mean there's a great chance you'd be
willing to pay for this product. The decision on how to prioritize it's
development is based upon how many serious responses we get.
Edwin, back to your question...

Since I didn't write the source code for altBrowser, I asked Chris 
Bohnert,
one of the authors, and he said if it's not in there now, it's easy to
implement. Of course, if you need to parse the data, you can always 
'get
URL' as well. There are a couple of minor fixes we'll need to make in 
the
near future, I'll add this request as well. BTW, currently there is a
feature which will allow you to 'get the requested URL' which will 
allow you
to intercept it, process it inside RR, then pass it on to the browser 
(if
you wish). So, if you write your HTML a certain way, you *can* process
clicks on a page within RR.

This product was written probably about a year ago, but Tuviah had to 
made
some changes to the MC engine for it to work properly -- so we couldn't
release until RR2.0. This is why I'm a bit unclear regarding all of 
it's
features.

-Chipp

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Subject: altBrowser Question
Chipp,

Figured the answer to this might be valuable to others, so I decded 
to put
it on the list.

When using the altBrowser plug-in, is it possible to access the
data in the
browser? I'm wondering because for something I am woking on it would 
be
really neat to let users browse through a particular website and 
then, if
they see something they like, click a button which would cause my app 
to
grab some data off the site and do stuff with it.

altBrowser gets fed the URL to go to by RunRev, is that correct? If 
so I
suppose that even if I can't directly pull the data out of the browser
plug-in, I could still grab and parse the url

Anyway, look forward to hearing the answers on this.

Thanks,

Edwin Gore

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Re: Try, try again

2003-06-15 Thread Yennie
If you don't mind the password being briefly sent in the clear (as part of the name of the process), you can use this:

get shell("echo '"&pwd&"' | sudo"&&cmd)

Which comes out to something that looks like:
echo 'MyPassword' | sudo MyCommand

Unfortunately, open process appears to be still broken on OS X. If it wasn't, you could use the "-S" option to sudo to write the password to the process. This is really the way it should be done security-wise.

(something like this)

put "sudo -S"&&myCmd into theProcess
open process theProcess
write MyPassword&cr to process theProcess
read from process theProcess until eof
close process theProcess

You can also, of course, execute AppleScript on Mac which should give you the same results as AppleScript Studio can achieve.

You could also write the password to a temporary file and pass that to sudo.

HTH.

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Try, try again

2003-06-15 Thread Richard MacLemale
List,
About every 6 months or so, I pose this question in hopes that someone has
run across and solved this problem.  The previous times I've asked it, no
one has responded.  I remain ever hopeful...

Situation:
You want to make a cool GUI for some UNIX commands using MetaCard for OS X.
It's easy using the shell command.

Example:
The tool Carbon Copy Cloner is the perfect example of what I'd like to be
able to do.  It was made in AppleScript Studio, and it is a GUI interface
for some UNIX commands.  It asks the user for the root password, and that
allows the program to execute commands as root.

Problem:
No one has been able to tell me how to do this in MetaCard and I can't
figure it out.  But no one has told me that it's impossible, either.  So I
remain hopeful.

Say a user logs into OS X as a regular user, not root.  And I want them to
be able to run a series of UNIX commands that will need to be run as root,
assuming they know the root password.  In the Terminal, there's sudo and su.
But neither work using the shell command.

Is there a way around this?  AppleScript Studio can apparently do it.  I'm
wondering how it could be accomplished in MetaCard.  Any help would, as
usual, be extremely appreciated.  :)

-- 
:)
Richard MacLemale
Network Administrator
J. W. Mitchell High School
 

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