Re: MC IDE v2.5.1 available

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/23/03 9:28 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

Write a Read Me to use the latest engine
This is a task for multiple platform
advanced programmers.
Actually, it's easy. Richard, feel free to grab this if you want:

How to use the Revolution engine with the MetaCard IDE

For all operating systems except Mac OS X:

1. Note the name of the current MetaCard application in the MetaCard 
folder. On Windows, it is probably "mc.exe", on Mac OS it is "MetaCard", 
and on the various Unix platforms it is probably "mc". Delete or move 
the MetaCard application.
2. Put the Revolution application into the MetaCard folder and rename it 
to the same name as the old MetaCard application.

For Mac OS X the procedure is exactly the same as above, with the 
exception that the actual MetaCard engine is located inside the 
application bundle:

1. Control-click on the MetaCard application and choose "Show Package 
Contents." Open the "Contents/MacOS/" folder. Delete or move the 
"MetaCard" file you find inside.
2. Put the Revolution application into this folder and rename it "MetaCard".

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Re: MC IDE v2.5.1 available

[Alejandro Tejada]

on Mon, 22 Dec 2003 
Richard Gaskin wrote:

> The MetaCard IDE for the v2.5.1 engine has been
> posted to the MC IDE group
> at Yahoo: 
> 

Great.
Thanks Richard!

Did Scott Raney will upload this version to his FTP?

What's the agenda of future additions to the
MetaCard IDE?

Will the Plug-ins arquitecture come first?

> I'm still looking for volunteers for two things:
> 
> - Group Moderators

Klaus Major has offered himself for this position 
and I cast my vote for him! 

> Write a Read Me to use the latest engine

This is a task for multiple platform
advanced programmers.

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Re: [OT] Sparta (was Re: Metacard support)

[Richard Gaskin]

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

I certainly won't let my limited understanding of Greek history get in the
way of appreciating a great post. :)

> Kevin Miller in his post of Dec 6 (subject "Metacard support") acknowledged
> these attributes in so far as he wrote:
>
>> Revolution has been around for 7 years less than the MC IDE, and has many
>> more features.  So we're not there yet on a raw efficiency or uncluttered
>> scale. 
> 
> Now, I do not really insist on definitions or attributes for Metacard, my
> responses in this part of the thread were just triggered by Richard's
> mentioning a clients opinion.
> 
> I hope that the "golden nugget" Metacard which the Rev folks have acquired
> will be indeed exploited by them to improve the Revolution IDE by integrating
> parts of Metacard into Revolution or maybe by adapting paradigmatic ways of
> programming.

Amen to that, brother.  And there are always ever better ways to do things,
we learn as we go.  Take a gander at 4W Props in RevNet -- I'm considering
proposing that we might use a similar "message buffering" technique in MC
for even greater responsiveness.

>From the Rev list yesterday re. the property sheet:



There's a subtle aspect to the way it works that may be
worth mentioning for others making things that respond to the
selectedObjectChanged message:

With most tools that respond to the selectedObjectChanged message, they do
so as it's sent, but the downside is that when you're drag-selecting
multiple objects the message is sent frequently, so the user interaction is
slowed as these tools update themselves.

With 4W Props the selectedObjectChanged is not responded to in real time.
Instead, it sends itself an update message in 100 milliseconds, after first
checking the pending messages to make sure it's not already waiting for one.
This small delay actually makes the experience lightning fast for the user:
the 1/10th second delay is not noticeable, but it greatly minimizes
interferences with the drag-selecting gesture, allowing a subjectively more
responsive experience.

I've started using this "message buffering" technique on all my tools that
respond to selectedObjectChanged, and now I can have many of my palettes
open without slowing down the user experience.

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Re: [OT] Sparta (was Re: Metacard support)

[Wilhelm Sanke]

After my timeout I had to focus on a number of other important issues, so my reply to Richard's post comes a bit late. Considering however the historic dimensions of the aspect in question, the delay is negligible.

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote (quoting me in the beginning): 

I have looked up "spartan" in the Britannica World Language Dictionary
(part of the Encyclopedia Britannica). Here is the entry:

"Spartan":
Pertaining to Sparta or the Spartians; heroically brave and enduring.
A native or citizen of Sparta; hence, one of exceptional valor and
fortitude.

While noted for their valor, Sparta is also a good argument against the
macroeconomics of militaristic societies.
Sparta was an expansive military culture, (snip)



Richard,

well, so are even modern nations.
Sad as it is, this more or less holds for all nations in ancient and modern history - 
with really very few exceptions - so this is by no means a distinctive feature of 
Sparta.
Most of the contributions to modern culture attributed to the ancient Greeks
(theatre, literature, philosophy) were specifically from Athens; 

(snip)

Sparta was a civilization and a nation that existed for about one thousand years. 
Platon is said to have been very much impressed by the political structure of Sparta.
The Greek-Roman historian Polybius assessed the Spartan constitution to be second-best 
only to the Roman constitution (he could ill afford to state it was the best, because 
he was in Roman employ).
The Spartan constitution and its practical implementation seems to have been much less 
prone to manipulation than those of today's superpowers - from voter registration to 
ballot counting.
Even newly introduced electronic voting does not prevent - indeed rather invite - manipulation. See the article by Marcia Pally "Vote early and often: Electronic voting machines make it simple" of Dec 15.

 Hence this definition from Dictionary.com, which is probably what my 
client
was referring to:

# Simple, frugal, or austere: a Spartan diet; a spartan lifestyle.
# Marked by brevity of speech; laconic.
# Courageous in the face of pain, danger, or adversity. F
(snip)

Richard Gaskin

Apparently we have two different definitions of "Spartan" here that even 
somewhat overlap.

The differences result from the complex relation of language and reality 
(whatever the latter "really" may be). Language and its particles, 
words, are a means of communication, not a point-to-point representation 
of reality. The meanings of words and their definitions may reflect 
reality somehow, but evolve within societal groups carrying specific 
intentions.

When Mr. Rumsfeld recently spoke of the "old Europe" he did so while 
criticizing nations that were opposed to the intentions of his 
administration. On the other hand, a few days ago "old Europe" was 
chosen as the so-called "word of the year" here in the center of Europe 
(this is done every year), implying the connotation of something one can 
be proud of.

To understand the relationship between language and reality it is useful 
to study the writings of linguists and philosophers like those of a 
fellow-Californian of Richard, namely Senator S. I. Hayakawa (by the 
way, as it were, a colleague of mine, as we were both teaching at the 
University of Wisconsin - he some 50 years earlier than me).-

So my intention to describe the values of Metacard is best served by starting from the definition of the Encycopledia Britannica, containing and pointing to the attributes of Spartians

"disciplined, enduring, efficient, and powerful"

which I then translated to describe Metacard  (still in these respects as opposed to Revolution) as

"disciplined": concise and relatively short scripts; fewer parts of the 
IDE that are interrelated and interact, organized surface

"enduring": can handle a substantial amount of objects, e.g. controls

"efficient": despite the material load the Metacard IDE maintains its 
speed etc.

"powerful": can be relatively easily customized to one's own needs; 
quicker development because of fewer bugs etc.

"autonomous": deserves to be preserved as an alternative IDE.---

Kevin Miller in his post of Dec 6 (subject "Metacard support") acknowledged these attributes in so far as he wrote:

Revolution has been around for 7 years less than the MC IDE, and has many
more features.  So we're not there yet on a raw efficiency or uncluttered
scale. 

Now, I do not really insist on definitions or attributes for Metacard, my responses in this part of the thread were just triggered by Richard's mentioning a clients opinion.

I hope that the "golden nugget" Metacard which the Rev folks have acquired will be indeed exploited by them to improve the Revolution IDE by integrating parts of Metacard into Revolution or maybe by adapting paradigmatic ways of programming.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



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Poohbah's Holiday

[Richard Gaskin]

Your humble poohbah servant will be away on holiday starting tommorrow
through Boxing Day, and again during MacWorld.

For the sake of timely approvals for new members of the MC IDE group, if you
can lend a hand it would be much appreciated -- please drop me a note if
you'd like to help with moderator tasks at the MC IDE Yahoo Group.

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Fonts in Linux

[RCS]

Has anyone found a workaround to the MC font problems in Linux? Particularly
Red Hat 9, TrueType fonts just do not work...well, they work in everything
but MC.

JR

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Open driver?

[RCS]

Has anyone successfully used 'open driver' - 'write to driver' etc.?

Thanks,
JR
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Re: MC IDE v2.5.1 available

[Klaus Major]

Hi Richard,

sorry for chiming in a bit late...

The MetaCard IDE for the v2.5.1 engine has been posted to the MC IDE 
group
at Yahoo: 

This version includes:

- Updated Standalone Builder to allow building Win standalones from the
v2.5.1 engine.
- New licensing info reflecting the X11 terms and conditions.

- Message Box is now opened centered near the bottom of the monitor by
default.
Cl :-)
(I just joined this group...)
I'm still looking for volunteers for two things:

- Group Moderators:  anyone who wants to help with approving new 
members (a
necessary evil to avoid spam) please drop me a note with your Yahoo ID 
and
I'll add you as a moderator.
What is a moderator supposed to do?
I'm unknowing but willing ;-)
- Installation Read Me:  It would be nice to include a simple Read Me 
on how
to use the latest engines with the IDE.  If someone will kindly put one
together I'll post it there (or if you want to be a moderator you can 
post
it yourself).
Will do, but might have one or two tiny questions that i will ask you 
off-list,
if you don't mind, poobah-san :-)

I'll do a few more touch-ups on the IDE after the Rev seminar at
MacWorld
Happy holidays to you all...

 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
Best from germany

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