Re: CD update...

2003-07-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
Shari wrote:

>> The OS vendors recommend writing data into designated user folders.
>> Fortunately the locations of these can be obtained easily with MC's
>> specialFolderPath function, and if you're not writing your own installer
>> most installer packages make putting files into these directories easy.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
> 
> What would be considered a designated user folder?

I use:

  specialFolderPath("Preferences")&"/MyAppName/"

...on OS X, which puts it in users//Libraries/Preferences/

On XP I use:

  specialFolderPath("Documents")&"/MyAppName/"

...which puts it into /Documents and Settings/My Documents/


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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Richard MacLemale
On 7/11/03 5:14 PM, Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote,

> Subject: RE: CD update...
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>> Yes, would be much better to put them in a form that anybody (who uses a
>> REAL operating system) would recognize such as .tar.gz
>> 
>> -Glen
> 
> You and my fella would get along well.  He is a high level IBM tech
> support dude.  When the field techs can't figure it out, they call
> in.  And when THOSE guys can't figure it out, they call my fella :-)
> 
> And he uses those exact rotten words about my computer
> 
> ;-)
> 
> So he went and bought a Compaq laptop just so that I could compile
> for REAL computers too ...

Boy am I GLAD to see a Mac vs. PC thread.  NOT!

All kidding aside, I think any serious computer user would think that
Apple's OS X is a huge improvement over the old Mac OS.  My best friend is a
UNIX snob who only ran Linux at home, and once in a while Windows when he
had to.  And he always slammed the Mac as a toy.  After OS X came out, he
went out and bought two iMacs for his home.

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Resource Fork Stripper Available (was Re: CD update)

2003-07-11 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, "Shari"  wrote:

> Sounds like it's time to take you up on that offer, of the stack to
> strip the fork

The stack can be downloaded from here:

  http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/stripresfork.mc.zip

Please note this is a utilitarian stack and not a polished tool.  It is not
designed to handle nested folders when processing a folder of files and
really long file names may get truncated during the copy process.

If you have any concerns about messing with your files, use the tool on a
DUPLICATE file or set of files.

I've used this tool on OS9 and OSX for about 3 or 4 months without problems
so hopefully you won't run into any (feel free to let me know if you do).

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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
Yes, would be much better to put them in a form that anybody (who uses a
REAL operating system) would recognize such as .tar.gz
-Glen
You and my fella would get along well.  He is a high level IBM tech 
support dude.  When the field techs can't figure it out, they call 
in.  And when THOSE guys can't figure it out, they call my fella :-)

And he uses those exact rotten words about my computer

;-)

So he went and bought a Compaq laptop just so that I could compile 
for REAL computers too ...

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
Your "Macentricity" is showing again. We Windows users barely or 
not-at-all recognize .SIT and .HQX
miscdas
I would have included .zip just for you, Miscdas, but as I ended up 
creating .exe files instead of .zip files  well I guess you'd 
know those, too, eh??

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
This does not eliminate the resource fork, it only empties it.  The ZIP
problem will still occur.
Regards,

Scott Rossi
Sounds like it's time to take you up on that offer, of the stack to 
strip the fork :-)

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
The OS vendors recommend writing data into designated user folders.
Fortunately the locations of these can be obtained easily with MC's
specialFolderPath function, and if you're not writing your own installer
most installer packages make putting files into these directories easy.
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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Yates, Glen
> Shari writes:
> [snip]
> > 
> > As for built-in MC compressors... better to put the file in 
> a format that 
> > most are familiar with.  Such as .sit, .hqx files.  
> Especially if there is 
> > a chance they may want to actually upload the file 
> somewhere.  Here it is, 
> > already perfectly packaged :-) 
> > 
> > Shari C
> > -- 
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> > http://www.gypsyware.com
> ==
> Your "Macentricity" is showing again. We Windows users barely 
> or not-at-all 
> recognize .SIT and .HQX 

Yes, would be much better to put them in a form that anybody (who uses a
REAL operating system) would recognize such as .tar.gz

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread miscdas
Shari writes:
[snip]
As for built-in MC compressors... better to put the file in a format that 
most are familiar with.  Such as .sit, .hqx files.  Especially if there is 
a chance they may want to actually upload the file somewhere.  Here it is, 
already perfectly packaged :-) 

Shari C
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==
Your "Macentricity" is showing again. We Windows users barely or not-at-all 
recognize .SIT and .HQX 

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, "Shari"  wrote:

> A I did not know this!  Enlightenment!  I do create one set
> of files in MC, cross platform, and of course there is a resource
> fork.  It doesn't matter that Windows doesn't need the fork, as the
> code works around it for Windows.

There is no resource fork created in an MC stack unless you add an external
or some other resource yourself.


> Could I not simply delete the items in the resource fork with ResEdit
> before zipping?

This does not eliminate the resource fork, it only empties it.  The ZIP
problem will still occur.

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Shari wrote:

> To ensure that some idiot does not try to run the program directly
> off the CD.  All of my programs write to themselves, or to files
> within the program's folder.  And they do this frequently.  I would
> have to rewrite the whole program to let it be run off a CD.  Much
> easier to build a mousetrap.

On some installations of XP, OS X, and others, there may not be adequate
privileges to write into the app directory.

The OS vendors recommend writing data into designated user folders.
Fortunately the locations of these can be obtained easily with MC's
specialFolderPath function, and if you're not writing your own installer
most installer packages make putting files into these directories easy.

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Shari wrote:

> A I did not know this!  Enlightenment!  I do create one set
> of files in MC, cross platform, and of course there is a resource
> fork.  It doesn't matter that Windows doesn't need the fork, as the
> code works around it for Windows.
> 
> Could I not simply delete the items in the resource fork with ResEdit
> before zipping?

There is no resource fork in MC stack files by default.  Only when you use
externals in Classic do you need a resource fork.  Open them in ResEdit and
you'll see:  it gives you the warning that the file has no res fork, asking
you if you want to create one.

Side note:  you can get "resfile" and "binfile" and store each as separate
properties in an installer stack, writing them out to the same path to
restore both forks of the file.

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
Shari:

Not sure if you're already aware of this but just in case...  If you try to
ZIP a set of Mac files on a Mac and some of these files contain Mac resource
forks, you'll likely wind up with a corrupted ZIP that either will not open,
or will result in corrupted (unopenable) files when unZIPed.  Saving files
from Photoshop with thumbnails enabled, for example, is one way to induce
this problem since the thumbnails are stored in the resource fork of the
file.  Sometimes, even creating PDFs on Mac systems can cause this problem
(and PDFs are supposed to be cross platform).  This may be what you've
experienced since you're obviously very Mac oriented.
One way around this problem is to copy all your files to a Windows box,
remove the separated resource fork data files (you'll see a bunch of files
appear called .#res if I recall) and ZIP the the files there.
Alternatively, I have a small utility that effectively strips the resource
forks by copying the Mac files into binary files.  This is not a polished
stack but you're welcome to it  (it will convert single files and folders of
files, but it will not recursively go through nested subfolders).  Plus it
saves a backup original of every converted file just in case (though to date
I've had no problems).
Lemme know...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
A I did not know this!  Enlightenment!  I do create one set 
of files in MC, cross platform, and of course there is a resource 
fork.  It doesn't matter that Windows doesn't need the fork, as the 
code works around it for Windows.

Could I not simply delete the items in the resource fork with ResEdit 
before zipping?

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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
 > One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as you wish:

 Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known
 data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the cd is
there.

Once they discover that it won't run without the 300MB file, the heck they
won't put it on their hard drive! Also, I don't think Shari really cares
that the CD is there (i.e. for content or anything), but is mearly using it
as an impediant to piracy, which I personally think it won't be.
-Glen
Actually the issue is partly piracy, and partly file size issues for 
a different project.  I do have projects on the table that will be 
big enough that it would be ridiculous for folks to download them. 
Hence, a CD will be necessary.

Where they might install the program on their HD, the huge files it 
will need would be stored on the CD.

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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
Shari,

just a stupid question but why would you want to zip or stuff
something on a cd? Are these stack bigger than a cd?
The less "other software" you depend on, the better. This
includes OS specific features...
So, the more generic your software, the better...

By now, you should know how to make an MC installer too...

Last but not least, why not use the built in compression in MC?
(does it work with Mac resources?)
cheers
Xavier
To ensure that some idiot does not try to run the program directly 
off the CD.  All of my programs write to themselves, or to files 
within the program's folder.  And they do this frequently.  I would 
have to rewrite the whole program to let it be run off a CD.  Much 
easier to build a mousetrap.

As for built-in MC compressors... better to put the file in a format 
that most are familiar with.  Such as .sit, .hqx files.  Especially 
if there is a chance they may want to actually upload the file 
somewhere.  Here it is, already perfectly packaged :-)

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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Yates, Glen
> One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as you wish:

> Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known 
> data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the cd is
there. 

Once they discover that it won't run without the 300MB file, the heck they
won't put it on their hard drive! Also, I don't think Shari really cares
that the CD is there (i.e. for content or anything), but is mearly using it
as an impediant to piracy, which I personally think it won't be.

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Shari wrote:

> The most difficult part is getting them stuffed/zipped without an
> error creeping in.  I used to have a bad time with Stuffit until I
> bought a paid version.  Their free download was buggy, and I could
> stuff a file, but half the world couldn't unstuff it.

Shari:

Not sure if you're already aware of this but just in case...  If you try to
ZIP a set of Mac files on a Mac and some of these files contain Mac resource
forks, you'll likely wind up with a corrupted ZIP that either will not open,
or will result in corrupted (unopenable) files when unZIPed.  Saving files
from Photoshop with thumbnails enabled, for example, is one way to induce
this problem since the thumbnails are stored in the resource fork of the
file.  Sometimes, even creating PDFs on Mac systems can cause this problem
(and PDFs are supposed to be cross platform).  This may be what you've
experienced since you're obviously very Mac oriented.

One way around this problem is to copy all your files to a Windows box,
remove the separated resource fork data files (you'll see a bunch of files
appear called .#res if I recall) and ZIP the the files there.
Alternatively, I have a small utility that effectively strips the resource
forks by copying the Mac files into binary files.  This is not a polished
stack but you're welcome to it  (it will convert single files and folders of
files, but it will not recursively go through nested subfolders).  Plus it
saves a backup original of every converted file just in case (though to date
I've had no problems).

Lemme know...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: CD update... was: get system profile

2003-07-11 Thread Shao Sean
> why don't you try the old Tiviah external collection as i
> It will return a list of available CD-ROM drives WITHOUT

on my old computer i had 2 cd-roms (well, a dvd-rom and a
cd-rw) and the external would only show the cd-rw...
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RE: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread MisterX
Shari,

just a stupid question but why would you want to zip or stuff
something on a cd? Are these stack bigger than a cd?

The less "other software" you depend on, the better. This 
includes OS specific features...

So, the more generic your software, the better...

By now, you should know how to make an MC installer too...

Last but not least, why not use the built in compression in MC?
(does it work with Mac resources?)

cheers
Xavier

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shari
> Sent: Friday, 11 July, 2003 15:29
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CD update...
> 
> 
> >Shari,
> >
> >I once made a mac version of a CD for PC in HC. It was hell on 
> wheels too.
> >For the mac version we made a Mac specific session on a multisession cd.
> >Thus the PC didn't see the mac and viceversa...
> >
> >on the PC you can also use an autorun.ini file to launch a beatiful 
> >installer -
> >much less messy than having the user open folders on the cd...
> >
> >The other solution (simpler) is to make 2 separate folders, one 
> for mac and
> >one for PC. Beats the purpose of having multi-platform engines though.
> >
> >One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as 
> you wish:
> >Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known
> >data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the 
> >cd is there.
> >
> >cheers
> >Xavier
> 
> CD's are fun, yup.  This one has 12 different programs on it, two 
> programs compiled for 3 platforms, times 2 special versions of the 
> programs.
> 
> And both programs had just been updated.  Which means 12 programs to 
> compile in Metacard, and stuff, and get the CD to be happy with. 
> This spells 12 files to break.
> 
> The most difficult part is getting them stuffed/zipped without an 
> error creeping in.  I used to have a bad time with Stuffit until I 
> bought a paid version.  Their free download was buggy, and I could 
> stuff a file, but half the world couldn't unstuff it.
> 
> Now the trouble is zip files.  I can zip a file, but in the 
> unzipping, it finds an error.  I discovered that half the errors 
> crept in during the Metacard compile.  And that going back into 
> Metacard and recompiling, sometimes solves the error that WinZip 
> throws out.  The other half of the errors occurred while actually 
> zipping the file.  I tried zipping with WinZip on Windows, and 
> Aladdin DropZip on Mac.  I musta zipped, unzipped about 40 times, and 
> WinZip's free trial ran out 2 days before the big trip.  WinZip just 
> kept saying there were errors in the file.  Well if a program is not 
> functioning well during the trial, I sure don't want to pay for it. 
> So I abandoned the idea of zipping the files, and tried creating 
> self-extracting archives with Aladdin Stuffit on Mac, for Windows. 
> And lo and behold, this worked like a charm.
> 
> Aladdin Stuffit turned out to be well worth its purchase.  It came 
> with a PPC and OSX version on the disk, and seems to work better than 
> WinZip in creating files for Windows.  Though even it could not zip a 
> file that WinZip would unzip.  So all three platforms are covered. 
> Nice!
> 
> Leaving tomorrow for Rochester... to visit the family and attend the 
> Shareware Industry Conference.  The goal is to have promo CD's to 
> hand out, in case I meet any reviewers, editors, etc. that might 
> write an article or review.  This batch of CD's is not satisfactory, 
> I don't know how to get the image for the folder background on all 
> three platforms.  I'd settle for the CD to have a background image. 
> I made such a nice one.  And I had to come up with an alternative for 
> the program looking for the CD.  The promo version isn't really a 
> promo version after all, just a better downloadable version.  I had 
> intended to make a truly functional version for reviewers, but it 
> would have HAD to look for a specific serial number that only THAT CD 
> would have, built into the CD during manufacturing.  Something that 
> could not have been copied.  I would have individually coded each 
> program to a CD serial number for this.  Ah well.
> 
> When I return I plan to mail out more CD's to magazines.  Hopefully 
> some of the suggestions that came in last night will let me do these 
> CD's the way they should be done.  Or at least in a way that 
> satisfies what I believe the reviewers will expect.
> 
> Who woulda thunk that a few CD's would be such a big hairy deal??
> 
> !!
> 
> Shari C
> Gearing up for a big week :-)
> 
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Re: CD update... was: get system profile

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
why don't you try the old Tiviah external collection as i posted yesterday???

It is free now and does exactly what you need:

It will return a list of available CD-ROM drives WITHOUT an error of 
what kind ever...
Actually I did try it.  It isn't free.  It randomly gives a dialog 
asking me to register, which means it would likely do the same for 
the folks who get the files I am creating.

It also produced a window asking me for something, I don't recall 
what.  And all it put in the test field was the drive letter.  No 
name.  Not whether it was loaded.  I'm guessing whatever it asked me 
for, is a system thing it couldn't find and needed.

I didn't have a lot of time to tinker with it.  As I said, my time on 
this ran out yesterday, and now it's time to actually burn CD's. 
Leaving town in less than 24 hours.

I still need to solve the problem, for when I return, and hopefully a 
better batch of CD's

:-)

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
Shari,

I once made a mac version of a CD for PC in HC. It was hell on wheels too.
For the mac version we made a Mac specific session on a multisession cd.
Thus the PC didn't see the mac and viceversa...
on the PC you can also use an autorun.ini file to launch a beatiful 
installer -
much less messy than having the user open folders on the cd...

The other solution (simpler) is to make 2 separate folders, one for mac and
one for PC. Beats the purpose of having multi-platform engines though.
One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as you wish:
Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known
data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the 
cd is there.

cheers
Xavier
CD's are fun, yup.  This one has 12 different programs on it, two 
programs compiled for 3 platforms, times 2 special versions of the 
programs.

And both programs had just been updated.  Which means 12 programs to 
compile in Metacard, and stuff, and get the CD to be happy with. 
This spells 12 files to break.

The most difficult part is getting them stuffed/zipped without an 
error creeping in.  I used to have a bad time with Stuffit until I 
bought a paid version.  Their free download was buggy, and I could 
stuff a file, but half the world couldn't unstuff it.

Now the trouble is zip files.  I can zip a file, but in the 
unzipping, it finds an error.  I discovered that half the errors 
crept in during the Metacard compile.  And that going back into 
Metacard and recompiling, sometimes solves the error that WinZip 
throws out.  The other half of the errors occurred while actually 
zipping the file.  I tried zipping with WinZip on Windows, and 
Aladdin DropZip on Mac.  I musta zipped, unzipped about 40 times, and 
WinZip's free trial ran out 2 days before the big trip.  WinZip just 
kept saying there were errors in the file.  Well if a program is not 
functioning well during the trial, I sure don't want to pay for it. 
So I abandoned the idea of zipping the files, and tried creating 
self-extracting archives with Aladdin Stuffit on Mac, for Windows. 
And lo and behold, this worked like a charm.

Aladdin Stuffit turned out to be well worth its purchase.  It came 
with a PPC and OSX version on the disk, and seems to work better than 
WinZip in creating files for Windows.  Though even it could not zip a 
file that WinZip would unzip.  So all three platforms are covered. 
Nice!

Leaving tomorrow for Rochester... to visit the family and attend the 
Shareware Industry Conference.  The goal is to have promo CD's to 
hand out, in case I meet any reviewers, editors, etc. that might 
write an article or review.  This batch of CD's is not satisfactory, 
I don't know how to get the image for the folder background on all 
three platforms.  I'd settle for the CD to have a background image. 
I made such a nice one.  And I had to come up with an alternative for 
the program looking for the CD.  The promo version isn't really a 
promo version after all, just a better downloadable version.  I had 
intended to make a truly functional version for reviewers, but it 
would have HAD to look for a specific serial number that only THAT CD 
would have, built into the CD during manufacturing.  Something that 
could not have been copied.  I would have individually coded each 
program to a CD serial number for this.  Ah well.

When I return I plan to mail out more CD's to magazines.  Hopefully 
some of the suggestions that came in last night will let me do these 
CD's the way they should be done.  Or at least in a way that 
satisfies what I believe the reviewers will expect.

Who woulda thunk that a few CD's would be such a big hairy deal??

!!

Shari C
Gearing up for a big week :-)


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Re: CD update... was: get system profile

2003-07-11 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Shari,

Shari:

If you simply want to ensure the program is on a CD, a simple test is 
to try writing a temp file to the same directory as the program . If 
the result is not empty, then it's locked and thus on CD. If the 
result is empty, delete the temp file and report that the program 
will only run from CD.

Don't know if this is helpful.

/H
Actually they must install the program on their hard drive to run it, 
but it does need the CD to run.

Things are not going well with the CD so far.  I had to give up on the 
query for the CD, and use another (very poor) option. Dissatisfied.  
And where I had a nice image in the background of the folder, the 
image turned to mud on Windows.  I had chopped up an image into icons 
for the folder backdrop.  Beautiful on Mac, horrible on Windows.  At 
this moment, I should have at least 25 CD's burned. Tomorrow I should 
be packing, and taking care of other things.  I expected to have this 
done two weeks ago... *sigh*

Shari C
why don't you try the old Tiviah external collection as i posted 
yesterday???

It is free now and does exactly what you need:

It will return a list of available CD-ROM drives WITHOUT an error of 
what kind ever...

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Re: CD update...

2003-07-10 Thread xbury . cs

Shari,

I once made a mac version of a CD for PC in HC. It was hell on wheels too.
For the mac version we made a Mac specific session on a multisession cd.
Thus the PC didn't see the mac and viceversa...

on the PC you can also use an autorun.ini file to launch a beatiful installer -
much less messy than having the user open folders on the cd...

The other solution (simpler) is to make 2 separate folders, one for mac and 
one for PC. Beats the purpose of having multi-platform engines though.

One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as you wish:
Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known
data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the cd is there.

cheers
Xavier

On 11/07/2003 03:46:55 metacard-admin wrote:
>>Shari:
>>
>>If you simply want to ensure the program is on a CD, a simple test
>>is to try writing a temp file to the same directory as the program .
>>If the result is not empty, then it's locked and thus on CD. If the
>>result is empty, delete the temp file and report that the program
>>will only run from CD.
>>
>>Don't know if this is helpful.
>>
>>/H
>
>Actually they must install the program on their hard drive to run it,
>but it does need the CD to run.
>
>Things are not going well with the CD so far.  I had to give up on
>the query for the CD, and use another (very poor) option.
>Dissatisfied.  And where I had a nice image in the background of the
>folder, the image turned to mud on Windows.  I had chopped up an
>image into icons for the folder backdrop.  Beautiful on Mac, horrible
>on Windows.  At this moment, I should have at least 25 CD's burned.
>Tomorrow I should be packing, and taking care of other things.  I
>expected to have this done two weeks ago... *sigh*
>
>Shari C

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CD update...

2003-07-10 Thread Shari
Shari:

If you simply want to ensure the program is on a CD, a simple test 
is to try writing a temp file to the same directory as the program . 
If the result is not empty, then it's locked and thus on CD. If the 
result is empty, delete the temp file and report that the program 
will only run from CD.

Don't know if this is helpful.

/H
Actually they must install the program on their hard drive to run it, 
but it does need the CD to run.

Things are not going well with the CD so far.  I had to give up on 
the query for the CD, and use another (very poor) option. 
Dissatisfied.  And where I had a nice image in the background of the 
folder, the image turned to mud on Windows.  I had chopped up an 
image into icons for the folder backdrop.  Beautiful on Mac, horrible 
on Windows.  At this moment, I should have at least 25 CD's burned. 
Tomorrow I should be packing, and taking care of other things.  I 
expected to have this done two weeks ago... *sigh*

Shari C
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