Re: Mac OS X Internet
Scott Raney wrote: > We've had to do that twice now too, which is 2 more times than we've > ever had to reinstall any other UNIX OS in the last 10 years, which > included quite a bit of time with Linux 0.99. Throw in a few handfuls > of system hangs and spontaneous resets and I'm finally starting to > appreciate what they mean when they say Mac OS X is all about making > UNIX more Mac-like ;-) hehe :) I've actually never had OS X hang or spontaneously reset, nor have I had to re-install it (my current uptime is 49 days), but I've heard there are some, well, problems. Make sure you guys are all using the latest firmware for your machine, since I know earlier firmwares caused hell on my Public Beta machine. That and the segmentation fault error that occured all the time (apparently due to some faulty memory...). But yeah, Apple made OS X more mac-like (aka, you have more power over your machine) = more possibilities for problems. And as far as performance, OS X is sluggish compared to OS 9. Not compared to some Sun Machines I've used (unless you stick to vanilla X-Windows), but definitely not up to par with OS 9. Luckily, it looks like Steve Jobs knows it since at WWDC he put "Performance" in huge on the top of both consumer and developers "complaints" lists. Let's hope 10.1 addresses that. For now, soup up your memory and it'll run much smoother. :) > Regards, > Scott > > PS: and as I said previously, "accept" *is* broken in 2.4 beta 2, but > an app bug should *never* cause a system hang or corruption like this. > That's just the UNIX rule, and Apple will ignore it at their peril. PS. Did I mention I work for Apple? :-) I don't work on the OS X team though, so complain away... I too find it disturbing that I need 512Mb of memory to get good performance on a consumer machine. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Reed Martin | 300 N. College St College Recruitment & Development |Northfield, MN 55057 Apple Computer| (507) 646-5333 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Mac OS X Internet
Scott Raney wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Jun andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > LiangTyan Fui wrote: > > > > > > On 6/27/01 6:12 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > > > > > > I have had no luck here either. But, I have not done much testing and > > > > decided not to report as I haven't tried that hard yet. But, my first > > > > impressions are the same as yours. > > > > > > My luck was even worst. I have a clean installed OS X, updated to 10.0.4, > > > running only MetaCardCarbon 2.4b2. > > > After a few attempts with the socket "accept" command, my TCP/IP settings > > > corrupted. So I restarted the machine, but TCP/IP can never be able to > > > configure correctly. I have to recreate a new location profile with new > > > Ethernet settings, but it'll just dismissed after I closed the TCP/IP > > > setting. > > > I ended up reinstall OS X :-( > > > > Thanks for encouragement ;-). > > We've had to do that twice now too, which is 2 more times than we've > ever had to reinstall any other UNIX OS in the last 10 years, which > included quite a bit of time with Linux 0.99. Throw in a few handfuls > of system hangs and spontaneous resets and I'm finally starting to > appreciate what they mean when they say Mac OS X is all about making > UNIX more Mac-like ;-) Apple decided to hire Hubbard of FreeBSD but I suspect not to replace Jobs ;-(. In any case, with all this encouragement I might postpone my good intentions vis a vis OS X. I went through a bleeding edge phase once, and it was enough. > Regards, > Scott > > PS: and as I said previously, "accept" *is* broken in 2.4 beta 2, but > an app bug should *never* cause a system hang or corruption like this. > That's just the UNIX rule, and Apple will ignore it at their peril. > > > > Regards, > > > LiangTyan Fui > > > > Andu > > > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com > MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... > Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Mac OS X Internet
On Tue, 26 Jun andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LiangTyan Fui wrote: > > > > On 6/27/01 6:12 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > > > > I have had no luck here either. But, I have not done much testing and > > > decided not to report as I haven't tried that hard yet. But, my first > > > impressions are the same as yours. > > > > My luck was even worst. I have a clean installed OS X, updated to 10.0.4, > > running only MetaCardCarbon 2.4b2. > > After a few attempts with the socket "accept" command, my TCP/IP settings > > corrupted. So I restarted the machine, but TCP/IP can never be able to > > configure correctly. I have to recreate a new location profile with new > > Ethernet settings, but it'll just dismissed after I closed the TCP/IP > > setting. > > I ended up reinstall OS X :-( > > Thanks for encouragement ;-). We've had to do that twice now too, which is 2 more times than we've ever had to reinstall any other UNIX OS in the last 10 years, which included quite a bit of time with Linux 0.99. Throw in a few handfuls of system hangs and spontaneous resets and I'm finally starting to appreciate what they mean when they say Mac OS X is all about making UNIX more Mac-like ;-) Regards, Scott PS: and as I said previously, "accept" *is* broken in 2.4 beta 2, but an app bug should *never* cause a system hang or corruption like this. That's just the UNIX rule, and Apple will ignore it at their peril. > > Regards, > > LiangTyan Fui > > Andu Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Mac OS X Internet
At 6:05 PM -0700 6/26/2001, andu wrote: >Unfortunately I don't have OS X yet but you guys "make" me get it >against my will ;-). I have a strong feeling I'll have to ask for >donations for a new computer too; I saw OS X running on a new iBook and >it was painfully slow which makes me think my Wallstreet will most >likely die under stress. I hear that memory is a big part of OS X speed factors - a G4 will be faster but friends with G3s with 256M or so tell me performance can be fine. However, if your Wallstreet has only 96M, you will be in a world of hurt. ;-) Anyway, getting more RAM is cheaper than buying a whole new computer (so the required donations will be smaller) -- Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer! Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Mac OS X Internet
Reed Martin wrote: > > Hi all, > > Thanks for the response, Scott. I could be doing something totally wrong, > but I'm running Mac OS X 10.0.4 and Mail.app, OmniWeb, Terminal telnetting, > etc. all seem to be able to connect just fine. In MetaCard for OS X, I > launched it and, in the message box typed: > > answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/"; Unfortunately I don't have OS X yet but you guys "make" me get it against my will ;-). I have a strong feeling I'll have to ask for donations for a new computer too; I saw OS X running on a new iBook and it was painfully slow which makes me think my Wallstreet will most likely die under stress. Until then I can't be of any help except to suggest that since libURL is open source, an incident like this should be a good incentive for users to learn to use sockets and contribute code and/or debug the library. > > > >> Thanks for your help, > >> Reed > > Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Mac OS X Internet
LiangTyan Fui wrote: > > On 6/27/01 6:12 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > > I have had no luck here either. But, I have not done much testing and > > decided not to report as I haven't tried that hard yet. But, my first > > impressions are the same as yours. > > My luck was even worst. I have a clean installed OS X, updated to 10.0.4, > running only MetaCardCarbon 2.4b2. > After a few attempts with the socket "accept" command, my TCP/IP settings > corrupted. So I restarted the machine, but TCP/IP can never be able to > configure correctly. I have to recreate a new location profile with new > Ethernet settings, but it'll just dismissed after I closed the TCP/IP > setting. > I ended up reinstall OS X :-( Thanks for encouragement ;-). > > Regards, > LiangTyan Fui Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Mac OS X Internet
On 6/27/01 6:12 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> I have had no luck here either. But, I have not done much testing and
> decided not to report as I haven't tried that hard yet. But, my first
> impressions are the same as yours.
My luck was even worst. I have a clean installed OS X, updated to 10.0.4,
running only MetaCardCarbon 2.4b2.
After a few attempts with the socket "accept" command, my TCP/IP settings
corrupted. So I restarted the machine, but TCP/IP can never be able to
configure correctly. I have to recreate a new location profile with new
Ethernet settings, but it'll just dismissed after I closed the TCP/IP
setting.
I ended up reinstall OS X :-(
Regards,
LiangTyan Fui
> -Mark
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 26, 2001, at 02:50 PM, Reed Martin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks for the response, Scott. I could be doing something totally
>> wrong, but I'm running Mac OS X 10.0.4 and Mail.app, OmniWeb, Terminal
>> telnetting, etc. all seem to be able to connect just fine. In MetaCard
>> for OS X, I launched it and, in the message box typed:
>>
>> answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/";
>>
>> I waited, grabbed a drink, and 5 minutes later still had nothing. So I
>> command-.'ed out, and got a blank answer dialog. Not surprising. I then
>> tried to open a new stack and created a button with the same script as
>> above. Nothing. I also tried it as:
>>
>> start using "LibURL"
>> answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/";
>>
>> but still no luck. So I tried to use the load command:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>> load url "http://www.yahoo.com/"; with "lDone"
>> send "statRep" to me
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> on statRep
>> if urlStatus("http://www.yahoo.com/";) is not "cached" then
>> put urlStatus("http://www.yahoo.com/";) into fld 1
>> send "statRep to me in 30 milliseconds
>> end if
>> end statRep
>>
>> on lDone s
>> answer url s
>> unload url s
>> end lDone
>>
>> And all field 1 ever said was: "requested". I feel like nobody else is
>> having these problems, and I'm worried I'm missing a crucial step. I
>> tried all of the above with different URLs, and with and without
>> preceding the requests with: start using "LibURL" (which should be by
>> default, loaded?)
>>
>> This is using 2.4B2 for Mac OS X, tried on an iMac 233, a B&W G3/450,
>> and a PowerBook G3/266. And I tried with 2 different ISPs, and one
>> direct LAN connection..
>>
>> Any idea what I'm doing wrong, or if there is a bug in MC2.4b2? I'll
>> forward some scripts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Are other people on
>> this list finding success with internet usage using MC under Mac OS X?
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Re: Mac OS X Internet
I have had no luck here either. But, I have not done much testing and
decided not to report as I haven't tried that hard yet. But, my first
impressions are the same as yours.
-Mark
On Tuesday, June 26, 2001, at 02:50 PM, Reed Martin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the response, Scott. I could be doing something totally
> wrong, but I'm running Mac OS X 10.0.4 and Mail.app, OmniWeb, Terminal
> telnetting, etc. all seem to be able to connect just fine. In MetaCard
> for OS X, I launched it and, in the message box typed:
>
> answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/";
>
> I waited, grabbed a drink, and 5 minutes later still had nothing. So I
> command-.'ed out, and got a blank answer dialog. Not surprising. I then
> tried to open a new stack and created a button with the same script as
> above. Nothing. I also tried it as:
>
> start using "LibURL"
> answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/";
>
> but still no luck. So I tried to use the load command:
>
> on mouseUp
> load url "http://www.yahoo.com/"; with "lDone"
> send "statRep" to me
> end mouseUp
>
> on statRep
> if urlStatus("http://www.yahoo.com/";) is not "cached" then
>put urlStatus("http://www.yahoo.com/";) into fld 1
>send "statRep to me in 30 milliseconds
> end if
> end statRep
>
> on lDone s
> answer url s
> unload url s
> end lDone
>
> And all field 1 ever said was: "requested". I feel like nobody else is
> having these problems, and I'm worried I'm missing a crucial step. I
> tried all of the above with different URLs, and with and without
> preceding the requests with: start using "LibURL" (which should be by
> default, loaded?)
>
> This is using 2.4B2 for Mac OS X, tried on an iMac 233, a B&W G3/450,
> and a PowerBook G3/266. And I tried with 2 different ISPs, and one
> direct LAN connection..
>
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong, or if there is a bug in MC2.4b2? I'll
> forward some scripts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Are other people on
> this list finding success with internet usage using MC under Mac OS X?
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Re: Mac OS X Internet
Hi all,
Thanks for the response, Scott. I could be doing something totally wrong,
but I'm running Mac OS X 10.0.4 and Mail.app, OmniWeb, Terminal telnetting,
etc. all seem to be able to connect just fine. In MetaCard for OS X, I
launched it and, in the message box typed:
answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/";
I waited, grabbed a drink, and 5 minutes later still had nothing. So I
command-.'ed out, and got a blank answer dialog. Not surprising. I then
tried to open a new stack and created a button with the same script as
above. Nothing. I also tried it as:
start using "LibURL"
answer url "http://www.yahoo.com/";
but still no luck. So I tried to use the load command:
on mouseUp
load url "http://www.yahoo.com/"; with "lDone"
send "statRep" to me
end mouseUp
on statRep
if urlStatus("http://www.yahoo.com/";) is not "cached" then
put urlStatus("http://www.yahoo.com/";) into fld 1
send "statRep to me in 30 milliseconds
end if
end statRep
on lDone s
answer url s
unload url s
end lDone
And all field 1 ever said was: "requested". I feel like nobody else is
having these problems, and I'm worried I'm missing a crucial step. I tried
all of the above with different URLs, and with and without preceding the
requests with: start using "LibURL" (which should be by default, loaded?)
This is using 2.4B2 for Mac OS X, tried on an iMac 233, a B&W G3/450, and a
PowerBook G3/266. And I tried with 2 different ISPs, and one direct LAN
connection..
Any idea what I'm doing wrong, or if there is a bug in MC2.4b2? I'll
forward some scripts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Are other people on this
list finding success with internet usage using MC under Mac OS X?
Thanks,
Reed
>
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 Reed Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to check and make sure I'm not missing something--the Mac OS
>> X version of Metacard (2.4B2) still does not support any internet
>> access, am I correct? (At least I sure as heck haven't been able to get
>> it to work!)
>
> There's a problem with the accept command on that platform, but
> everything else should work. We've had a couple of unreproducible
> reports of problems with the HTTP library on that platform, though,
> and if you've got a reproducible example, by all means send it in to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] But first check to make sure that networking is
> working properly for other apps: misconfiguration of networking is
> very common on OS X because neither UNIX nor MacOS experience is much
> help in getting it right.
> Regards,
> Scott
>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Reed
>
>
> Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com
> MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...
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Re: Mac OS X Internet
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 Reed Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wanted to check and make sure I'm not missing something--the Mac OS X > version of Metacard (2.4B2) still does not support any internet access, am > I correct? (At least I sure as heck haven't been able to get it to work!) There's a problem with the accept command on that platform, but everything else should work. We've had a couple of unreproducible reports of problems with the HTTP library on that platform, though, and if you've got a reproducible example, by all means send it in to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But first check to make sure that networking is working properly for other apps: misconfiguration of networking is very common on OS X because neither UNIX nor MacOS experience is much help in getting it right. Regards, Scott > Thanks for your help, > Reed Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Mac OS X Internet
Hi All, Just wanted to check and make sure I'm not missing something--the Mac OS X version of Metacard (2.4B2) still does not support any internet access, am I correct? (At least I sure as heck haven't been able to get it to work!) Thanks for your help, Reed Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
