Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
Script Editor X next release offers the option to turn on and off the auto-insertion. ... Cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com -- I'd like to use your ScriptEditor. Unfortunately, it is far too slow for me. Opening my main stack script lasts about 1 minute 45 seconds ! (Mac G4 767 Mhz - less than 1 second in the default Metacard editor) . I suspect the script colorization, but I don't know if there is a way to turn it off (and the Preferences don't work). The cursor is constantly rotating in the editor. Is it a bug or the normal behaviour ? Best regards, Herve Proudhon --- Frenchdiet, a nutrition software. Diondine, logiciel de dietetique. http://www.diondine.com --- ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC 2.5 Script editor
Herve, My home stack script is over 1600 lines of script (40Kb) and it takes 30 seconds to open A 5000+ line script im working on (huge!!!) takes 2 minutes; 30 seconds without color - time to index the script elements... I'll add an option to skip this too... That's on a slow NT metaframe with 2 400MHz pentium IIs and 1 GB of ram. I will check the coloring script cause it seems slow... So I confirm that it is the coloring script that takes the time... But it's the same script as MC's script editor but with more colors and more words to make the coloring more accurate... To turn it off, it's the same thing as the standard script editor... The preferences is only there to change the colors... Of course if I dont get comments regarding problems, I can't guess there's one. I'd also recommend sending me the problem report instead of to the list... Please send the reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not this email cause it's work only... Missing Preferences: Did you install the last version of the script editor? 1.1.3? Previous installers had a few problems. I also recommend using the delete instead of rename option button in the installer to upgrade. Last but not least, try not to install elsewhere than MCTools (the default) because it may cause problems for the uninstaller... Next installer should resolve external installations and version control. keep the faith! Xa -Original Message- From: Herve Proudhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 December 2002 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MC 2.5 Script editor Script Editor X next release offers the option to turn on and off the auto-insertion. ... Cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com -- I'd like to use your ScriptEditor. Unfortunately, it is far too slow for me. Opening my main stack script lasts about 1 minute 45 seconds ! (Mac G4 767 Mhz - less than 1 second in the default Metacard editor) . I suspect the script colorization, but I don't know if there is a way to turn it off (and the Preferences don't work). The cursor is constantly rotating in the editor. Is it a bug or the normal behaviour ? Best regards, Herve Proudhon --- Frenchdiet, a nutrition software. Diondine, logiciel de dietetique. http://www.diondine.com --- ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
But the sequence cmd+m also used to insert on mouseup...end mouseup at the cursor in the scriptwindow, now it looks like Scott removed it in 2.5. That's probably the one that snags me. I get to typing so fast. I'll try to pull up the message box without getting out of the script editor, and bingo here comes the mouseUp insertion in the middle of the script. -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc. At the very least for commands, once you've typed a on as the first characters of a line in the script editor, if common commands and messages could show up after that like they do in Internet Explorer, that would be great. Oooh, bad idea! As it is, I frequently have to delete on mouseUp/end mouseUps that get inserted into the middle of my handlers, presumably thru some key sequence. I'd hate to have to start deleting myriads of auto-inserted text. -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC 2.5 Script editor
What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc. At the very least for commands, once you've typed a on as the first characters of a line in the script editor, if common commands and messages could show up after that like they do in Internet Explorer, that would be great. Oooh, bad idea! I think auto-complete for commands etc. would be a very good idea. Just include a preference to turn it on or off, then everyone can be happy. :-) As it is, I frequently have to delete on mouseUp/end mouseUps that get inserted into the middle of my handlers, presumably thru some key sequence. I don't think it is a key sequence that does this, I thought that everytime you opened up a script editor window that didn't have any script a on mouseup/end mouseup would get inserted. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
Hi Shari, hi Glen, ... I think auto-complete for commands etc. would be a very good idea. Just include a preference to turn it on or off, then everyone can be happy. :-) YO :-) As it is, I frequently have to delete on mouseUp/end mouseUps that get inserted into the middle of my handlers, presumably thru some key sequence. I don't think it is a key sequence that does this, I thought that everytime you opened up a script editor window that didn't have any script a on mouseup/end mouseup would get inserted. This is still there. But the sequence cmd+m also used to insert on mouseup...end mouseup at the cursor in the scriptwindow, now it looks like Scott removed it in 2.5. Have a nice weekend. Regards from ICE-cold germany (-20 Celsius !) Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
Personally I never liked the Cmd-M to insert on mouseup...end mouseup in a script; several times I've needed to open the message box with a script open and by habit typed Cmd-M only to have the mouseup handler inserted in the middle of my code. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ - Original Message - From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: MC 2.5 Script editor On 12/12/02 11:59 AM, Klaus Major wrote: But the sequence cmd+m also used to insert on mouseup...end mouseup at the cursor in the scriptwindow, now it looks like Scott removed it in 2.5. Cmd-M is now used to step over a line of script in the debugger. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
--On Thursday, December 12, 2002 14:22:04 -0600 Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like the approach that programs like Flash, Visual Basic and Homesite do - you type a word as part of the command, hit space, and a dropdown menu with the available options appears with none of the items in the menu highlighted. You can continue to type (doing so removes the popup), or you can use the up/down arrows to navigate the dropdown menu. As soon as you type the first down-arrow key, the first entry in the dropdown is highlighted; after that, you can type characters to jump to an entry, or continue using the arrow keys to find the item you want. Type Tab (or Enter, depending on the program) and it inserts it for you with the insertion point in the proper spot ready to continue typing. So for example, to do an on openbackground, you'd type: o n (space) [dropdown appears] (down arrow) [highlights first item in the list - probably arrowkey] o [jumps to openbackground] (enter) [puts in openbackground after on If you ever want to bail on the dropdown, you can hit Escape, and it will disappear. It's really cool... Cool it may be but I'm not sure enhancements like the one you describe make life easier for the scripter. The time one spends hitting the space key, reading a dropdown menu, choosing something and so on, is most likely longer then just typing the command. I used to get excited at script coloring until I noticed that reading text of different colors was just harder then plain black text. One of the reasons I never felt for Revolution was exactly this richness of features and controls with which I found myself spending more time reading and clicking then writing script. Maybe it's really helpful for the beginners though I remember when I first started with Supercard I spent most of the time in the less featured environment. Considering the huge acceptance and love for Hypercard which was the bare minimum, I tend to believe that this hunger for artifacts has it roots in marketing rather then need for extra functionality, sort of like the popularity of hamburgers world wide. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
Cool it may be but I'm not sure enhancements like the one you describe make life easier for the scripter. The time one spends hitting the space key, reading a dropdown menu, choosing something and so on, is most likely longer then just typing the command. Surely this depends on the length of the command. For mine, this approach has clear benefits (both accuracy and speed) when typing urls into browser location bars. I used to get excited at script coloring until I noticed that reading text of different colors was just harder then plain black text. One of the reasons I never felt for Revolution was exactly this richness of features and controls with which I found myself spending more time reading and clicking then writing script. Maybe it's really helpful for the beginners though I remember when I first started with Supercard I spent most of the time in the less featured environment. Provided there is a careful choice of colours and they are not overused script colouring can help you identify many structural and syntax errors at a glance. It may decrease readability of the script as a whole but then who reads script as prose? Considering the huge acceptance and love for Hypercard which was the bare minimum, I tend to believe that this hunger for artifacts has it roots in marketing rather then need for extra functionality, sort of like the popularity of hamburgers world wide. I think there are plenty of people in the business of instructional design/usability business that will disagree with you (not hamburgers). Cheers, Terry... Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- ___ Dr Terry Judd Biomedical Multimedia Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 03 9344 0187 Fax: 03 9344 4998 ___ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
Shari writes: [snip] What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc.. Oooh, bad idea! As it is, I frequently have to delete on mouseUp/end mouseUps that get inserted into the middle of my handlers, presumably thru some key sequence. I'd hate to have to start deleting myriads of auto-inserted text. Shari, If you fear having to delete myriads of auto-inserted text, then you clearly don't understand how to use (keep or delete) typical auto-text entries! miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
--On Friday, December 13, 2002 09:00:07 +1100 Terry Judd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool it may be but I'm not sure enhancements like the one you describe make life easier for the scripter. The time one spends hitting the space key, reading a dropdown menu, choosing something and so on, is most likely longer then just typing the command. Surely this depends on the length of the command. For mine, this approach has clear benefits (both accuracy and speed) when typing urls into browser location bars. You are missing the point, having the browser remember the last visited sites and auto-complete them for you is quite different from typing mouseDown, openStack or even doubleMouseUp - a long one. I used to get excited at script coloring until I noticed that reading text of different colors was just harder then plain black text. One of the reasons I never felt for Revolution was exactly this richness of features and controls with which I found myself spending more time reading and clicking then writing script. Maybe it's really helpful for the beginners though I remember when I first started with Supercard I spent most of the time in the less featured environment. Provided there is a careful choice of colours and they are not overused script colouring can help you identify many structural and syntax errors at a glance. It may decrease readability of the script as a whole but then who reads script as prose? For example those who are beyond syntax errors and are more concerned with optimizing the script. Considering the huge acceptance and love for Hypercard which was the bare minimum, I tend to believe that this hunger for artifacts has it roots in marketing rather then need for extra functionality, sort of like the popularity of hamburgers world wide. I think there are plenty of people in the business of instructional design/usability business that will disagree with you (not hamburgers). To be honest, I don't really care to speculate on what I imagine people in the business of instructional design/usability really think or sell or whether or not they agree with me, I was just expressing my opinion on the issue based on my experience. There might be just as many experts if not more who will agree with me. Cheers, Terry... Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- _ __ Dr Terry Judd Biomedical Multimedia Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 03 9344 0187 Fax: 03 9344 4998 _ __ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC 2.5 Script editor
Script Editor X next release offers the option to turn on and off the auto-insertion. If you're all lucky, i'll have the complete auto-insertion routine (all keywords, locals, etc...) available by tuesday night before I leave for my Xmas Alp surfing trip... Otherwise it will be just be messages and controls. I'll try to add to the editor a template to give you the Object-specific messages pre-inserted instead of the useless mouseup (except for buttons of course)... But im not sure this is a good idea... The other idea was to make a script context menu to insert the appropriate thing where and when needed... - Click-and-script! Maybe next release... Ideas are welcome! here's the plan so far: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=59 Since now i have the 2.5 license coming, I'll augment that editor too! ;)) Cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com -- Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC 2.5 Script editor
BTW, my msg didn't go through the maillist for some reason, the auto-complete script is available on my website since saturday night http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=59 -Original Message- From: Karl Becker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 December 2002 20:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MC 2.5 Script editor On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 11:03 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 12/7/02 10:18 AM, Ernst M. Reicher wrote: Hi listmembers, 1. is anybody missing the old scripteditor menus: Messages Control Structures Commands Functions Properties ? No, I don't miss them. They contained so few of the available commands and functions that I didn't find them useful at all. I never used them. I did find they saved me some time ocassionally, especially if I forgot just what the actual name of some particular command or message was. Stuff like Control Structures, though, didn't even realize there was a menu for that. What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc. At the very least for commands, once you've typed a on as the first characters of a line in the script editor, if common commands and messages could show up after that like they do in Internet Explorer, that would be great. I've stayed away from 2.5 because the early releases seemed very incomplete. However, I think I'll dive into this new 2.5 beta now. When is the estimated time arrival for 2.5 final? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC 2.5 Script editor and bonus autocomplete script!
-Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Karl Becker Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: Re: MC 2.5 Script editor I did find they saved me some time ocassionally, especially if I forgot just what the actual name of some particular command or message was. Stuff like Control Structures, though, didn't even realize there was a menu for that. I avoided those menus because they were so annoying and timewasting... Made my own! Now I use them! What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc. At the very least for commands, once you've typed a on as the first characters of a line in the script editor, Go to http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=59 to get it Handles control messages and all handlers or functions. if common commands and messages could show up after that like they do in Internet Explorer, that would be great. watch for Content-oriented autocompletion in Script Editor X v2.0 This was a simple operation in XOS... I'll port it soon... Not that Soon... Xa ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: MC 2.5 Script editor
Message: 10 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MC 2.5 Script editor Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:11:41 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, my msg didn't go through the maillist for some reason, I'm answering onlist as this problem comes up from time to time, and it's worth reminding everyone from time to time how the list works. The reason for this, is that you didn't post it from the address you are signed up with. You can only post from the email address you signed up with, to avoid problems with spam and virus attacks. Since I don't always work weekends, messages held for approval can be delayed over the weekend until Monday morning. To avoid this happening, subscribe all your email addresses to the list, then set all but one to nomail to avoid getting duplicate postings. If you have a problem doing this please contact me at the admin address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I'll help you with it. Regards, Heather (list admin) -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: the Solution ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
On 12/7/02 10:18 AM, Ernst M. Reicher wrote: Hi listmembers, 1. is anybody missing the old scripteditor menus: Messages Control Structures Commands Functions Properties ? No, I don't miss them. They contained so few of the available commands and functions that I didn't find them useful at all. I never used them. 2. in former versions you could leave breakpoints in your scripts and they didn´t do anything without opening the debugger and if you needed further debugging you could easy find the old debugging points. In version 2.5 there is no extra debugger and MC debugs - stops at - every breakpoint!?!?! Right, but that's the way it has to work now that the editor and the debugger are in the same window. I like it, but I suppose that is because of my HyperCard background where the debugger works the same way. I find it convenient to be able to insert a breakpoint in a script and then run my stack normally. The debugger will open automatically whenever it hits the breakpoint. I like that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 11:03 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 12/7/02 10:18 AM, Ernst M. Reicher wrote: Hi listmembers, 1. is anybody missing the old scripteditor menus: Messages Control Structures Commands Functions Properties ? No, I don't miss them. They contained so few of the available commands and functions that I didn't find them useful at all. I never used them. I did find they saved me some time ocassionally, especially if I forgot just what the actual name of some particular command or message was. Stuff like Control Structures, though, didn't even realize there was a menu for that. What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc. At the very least for commands, once you've typed a on as the first characters of a line in the script editor, if common commands and messages could show up after that like they do in Internet Explorer, that would be great. I've stayed away from 2.5 because the early releases seemed very incomplete. However, I think I'll dive into this new 2.5 beta now. When is the estimated time arrival for 2.5 final? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
