Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......

[Meteordealer]

 Yes i compare prices on a daily basis. I have 
been dealing with meteorites for 9 years and i spend aprox. 6 hours a day comp 
shopping other dealers websites and Ebay. I would like to know howi 
amprofiting from discussing the reasons as to why Moroccan finds are 
dropping in price?That's the purpose of this list afterall is to discuss 
meteorites. Matteo brought up the subject in the firstplaceso don't 
go attackingme like i popped up out of the blue and startedknocking 
NWA's. NWA's are perfectly fine if that's what you like. I've actually sold a 
few myself which i got named and am having analyzed. I just said that Moroccan 
finds seem to suffer from the wildest price swings when compared to other 
meteorites. I mentioned a Kansas stone as an example becausethere are a 
great number of finds that were plowed, (or ploughed),up in Kansas. 
Probably moreso than any other state.I would like to change my 
previousexample to Texas in case anyone else is offended by a fictitious 
meteorite from the state of Kansas and feel that i'm somehow trying to "promote" 
something.
 Wagon Moundis being offered for the 
same price i offeredit for years ago. Valera was intially offered for 
$8g-$10g, so $6g on Ebay isn't far off the norm since most meteorites sell for 
less at Ebay.The Russian meteorites you mentioned areSELLING 
for2 or3 times the Ebay prices once you go outside of Ebay. 
Murchison has always been $75g except in small fragments where it has and still 
does list for $100g. Actually, for your information, i bought a crusted 
Murchison about 5YEARS ago for $40g. I guess that means it's almost 
doubled invalue since it's at $75g on Ebay now, right? Pricescan be 
deceptive since they vary based upon the size of the piece and the quality. If 
youweren't enticed bymy new Kansas meteoriteon Ebay 
whenit wasat $1.00 that's OK.I'm not sure what untrue facts i 
"spit" out for profit, maybe you can point them out to me.

Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  From: 
  MARK 
  BOSTICK 
  To: Meteordealer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:21 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices 
  ruin..
  
  Since you are compare market pricesON A DAILY BASISand only 
  seem to notice Zagami and Kapoeta has dropped in price. I will bring up 
  a few ither then Brahin. Lets see Chinga Sikhoteoh theres 
  a big one... How about Wagon Mound? Thats stable right? 
  Valera? When it came out it was $10.00 a gram. Let me know how 
  much you want for say $6.00 a gram. Murchison was hitting close to a 
  hundred a gram a year ago and sells for around $75 a gram now. I 
  think that is just an EXAMPLE of the currant meteorite market. 
  
  As far as you selling Shergottite for $75a gramlets hope they 
  had better experience with you then I did. Itsn't it strange to see you 
  attack NWA's and promote US finds and mention a Kansas stone shortly after you 
  start selling one? As many list members know I live in Kansas and have 
  been recently collecting Kansas meteorites more. Your $1.00 eBay 
  starting bids wasn't enticing to me..
  
  List members know I have not attack others on the list before...although 
  I have felt attacked at times. But when someone is going to spit out 
  untrue facts for their own profit..
  
  Thats my 10 cents worth.
  
  Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"
  
  
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To: 
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prices ruin..
 What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls 
ARE holding steady.I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many 
meteorites on a dailybasis. Just about all of them i look at are the 
same price they've alwaysbeen or more. Zagami and Kapoeta are about the 
only ones i can think of thathave tanked. Mainly because at the time 
they were just about the only SNCand Howardite you could get. People 
were willing to pay an arm and a leg toget one so they could fill that 
hole in their collection, thus the inflatedprice. Their price was based 
upon the rarity of the material. Now SNC's andHowardite's are everywhere 
thus the novelty has worn off and the price hasgone down. As far as 
dealers "dumping" the old stuff to get cash doesn'taffect the retail 
value unless they unload a large percentage of the TKW.Whoever buys it 
from them will most likely keep it or re-sell it for aprofit so in a 
sense the price will stay the same. The TKW of MOSTlegitimate finds and 
falls is pretty well known so the supply isn't going togo up and kill 
the value as it does with NWA's. If a farmer in Kansas plowsup a 10kg 
stone and a search is conducted yielding no further material, thenyou 
could say the TKW is 10kg. A price per gram will be set on that 
materialbased on the purchase price, the total 

[meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......

[Michael Blood]

Meteordealer wrote:
   What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding steady.
 I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily
 basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've always
 been or more... 
 Brad Sampson
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Well Brad,
Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are
legitimate 
falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in particular)
are illagitimate and prices are holding steady.
You have enlightened me to such a degree I have  placed your emial in 
the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed  and I don't
mean
Ali.
Keep on truckin', dude.
Michael

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[meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......

[Meteordealer]

  Legitimate meaning it has a unique name and we know where, when, total
mass, how, and by whom it was found. Also meaning that the appropriate lab
work and pairing has been done. Have any meteorites other than an NWA lost
95% of their value in a 24 hour period? Not that i recall. Are most NON
NWA's with the exception of a few still selling at about the same price as
they always have? Yes.

Brad Sampson
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To: Meteordealer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:41 AM
Subject: CR2 prices ruin..


 Meteordealer wrote:
What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding
steady.
  I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily
  basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've
always
  been or more...
  Brad Sampson
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 Well Brad,
 Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are
 legitimate
 falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in particular)
 are illagitimate and prices are holding steady.
 You have enlightened me to such a degree I have  placed your emial in
 the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed  and I don't
 mean
 Ali.
 Keep on truckin', dude.
 Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......

[Randy Mils]

Brad:
Based upon your criteria of a "legitimate" meteorite, Lafayette does not qualify. We do not know for surewhen, where or by whom on Lafayette.
Please educate us on which NWA meteorite lost 95% of it's value in 24 hours. Was this just another of your broad, sweeping statements made for shock value?Also, Wagon Mound is not selling for what it sold per gram when it was first found. This is just not a true statement. Actually I remember when one dealer had a sale in which he GAVE AWAY a sample of Wagon Mound with every purchase. Does this lower the value to zero. No, not anymore than a sale on any commodity at a retail store.
Brahin once sold for $10- per gram. Now it can be bought on ebay for less than $1- sometimes. How much are you selling it for on your website? You seem to have omitted the price on this one. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites/
Randy

From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin.. 
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:06:50 -0500 
 
 "Legitimate" meaning it has a unique name and we know where, when, total 
mass, how, and by whom it was found. Also meaning that the appropriate lab 
work and pairing has been done. Have any meteorites other than an NWA lost 
95% of their value in a 24 hour period? Not that i recall. Are most NON 
NWA's with the exception of a few still selling at about the same price as 
they always have? Yes. 
 
Brad Sampson 
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To: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:41 AM 
Subject: CR2 prices ruin.. 
 
 
  Meteordealer wrote: 
   What instability??? Most legitimate finds and falls ARE holding 
steady. 
   I'm a dealer. I compare the market prices of many meteorites on a daily 
   basis. Just about all of them i look at are the same price they've 
always 
   been or more... 
   Brad Sampson 
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  Well Brad, 
  Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are 
  "legitimate" 
  falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in particular) 
  are "illagitimate" and prices are "holding steady." 
  You have enlightened me to such a degree I have placed your emial in 
  the folder I formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed  and I don't 
  mean 
  Ali. 
  Keep on truckin', dude. 
  Michael 
  
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin......

[Matt Morgan]

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  From: 
  Randy 
  Mils 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:34 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 
  prices ruin..
  
  
  
  
  Brahin once sold for $10- per gram. Now it can be bought on ebay for 
  less than $1- sometimes. How much are you selling it for on your 
  website? You seem to have omitted the price on this one. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites/
  Randy
  
  CORRECTION, RON FARRELL had it for 
  35/g!
  
  Remeber that?
  Matt 
Morgan

Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......

[Sharkkb8]

 
 Well Brad,
Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are 
legitimate falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in 
particular) are illagitimate and prices are holding steady.  You have 
enlightened me to such a degree I have  placed your emial in the folder I 
formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed  and I don't mean Ali.
Keep on truckin', dude. 


Careful, Michael  -

I got roped into a much-too-long and much-too-loud argument with Brad a while 
back, just because I maintained that prices are determined by market forces, 
i.e., the nuances of supply and demand.  That seemingly simple and 
self-evident statement became a long, dragged-out discourse which I regret in 
hindsightbut very it's tempting to get drawn in. ;-)

Gregory

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Re: [meteorite-list] CR2 prices ruin......

[capricorn89]

Helpful suggestion:

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  Well Brad,
 Let's get this strait: there is no (price) instability, there are
 legitimate falls and finds - meaning, I suppose, the others (NWA, in
 particular) are illagitimate and prices are holding steady.  You have
 enlightened me to such a degree I have  placed your emial in the folder I
 formerly reserved for posts from Mohamed  and I don't mean Ali.
 Keep on truckin', dude. 


 Careful, Michael  -

 I got roped into a much-too-long and much-too-loud argument with Brad a
while
 back, just because I maintained that prices are determined by market
forces,
 i.e., the nuances of supply and demand.  That seemingly simple and
 self-evident statement became a long, dragged-out discourse which I regret
in
 hindsightbut very it's tempting to get drawn in. ;-)

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[meteorite-list] Lafayette

[Meteordealer]

 It does qualify. Lafayette has a unique name, the total 
mass is documented, we know roughly were it came from but not EXACTLY, we 
know Mr. Farrington found it in 1931 while it resided in Purdue 
University's collection, and the proper lab work and pairing has been 
done.

Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  From: 
  Randy 
  Mils 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 
  prices ruin..LAST WORD
  
  
  
  Brad: 
  I see you had to wait until school was out until you answered my 
  questions. You still did not address how your definition of legit 
  meteorites relates to Lafayette which clearly does not fit according to your 
  definition.
  CR2 did not fall in price over a few days as you stated. It took a 
  year and the NWA CR2 was never $300- per gram.
  Anyone who pays $4 to $5 per gram for Brahim is just asking for trouble 
  with this ruster. And those who follow your advice to buy it and hold it for 
  the future will find that the future holds nothing but a pile of rust and 
  olivine crystals. Same with Brenham. There are a few execptions 
  depending on the sample but I would not want to make the bet.
  Randy
  
  
  
  From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin..LAST WORD 
  Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:56:38 -0500 
   
   
   
  No problem. NWA CR2's have lost 95% of their value practically 
  overnight. One day they were $300g, a few days later they were $15g, hence the 
  entire reason this discussion was started, Matteo was upset that the price of 
  his NWA CR2's had crashed. Have you noticed that the Temple Bar, Arizona CR2 
  is still going for $300g-$500g despite what is happening with the Moroccan's? 
  What's the current value on Renazzo (CR2), $350g-$400g? 
   
   
   
  Wagon Mound currently lists between $1.50g-$2.50g. That's the 
  same price i was selling it for 2 years ago. There are 2 pieces of WM on Ebay 
  that just sold for $2.28g and $11.72g. 
   
   
   
  Brahin could be found online about 4 years ago for 
  $4.50g-$5.00g. If you go outside of Ebay it is still listed for $4g-$5.00g and 
  selling for that price i might add. I sold out of Brahin last Summer for 
  $4.00g. I had a collector email me a couple of weeks ago wanting some Brahin 
  or Brenham. He said he was willing to pay $5g for a nice slice in the 100g 
  range. Ebay is not the end all be all determining factor of meteorite value. 
  You also have to factor in website prices, private sale prices, and offline 
  mail order prices. Don't be fooled by the artificially low Ebay prices for 
  Brahin. I would suggest buying as much Brahin as you can as the price will be 
  shooting back up as soon as Ivan runs out. That is all i have to say on the 
  subject. If anyone needs clarification as to why rare types of NWA's are 
  crashing feel free to email me PRIVATELY as i no longer wish to bore the list 
  members with this endless debate. This dead horse has been beaten long enough. 
  ;-) 
   
   
  Brad Sampson 
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   From: Randy Mils 
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   Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:34 AM 
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin.. 
   
   
   Brad: 
   
   Based upon your criteria of a "legitimate" meteorite, 
  Lafayette does not qualify. We do not know for sure when, where or by whom on 
  Lafayette. 
   
   Please educate us on which NWA meteorite lost 95% of it's 
  value in 24 hours. Was this just another of your broad, sweeping statements 
  made for shock value? 
   
   Also, Wagon Mound is not selling for what it sold per gram 
  when it was first found. This is just not a true statement. Actually I 
  remember when one dealer had a sale in which he GAVE AWAY a sample of Wagon 
  Mound with every purchase. Does this lower the value to zero. No, not anymore 
  than a sale on any commodity at a retail store. 
   
   Brahin once sold for $10- per gram. Now it can be bought on 
  ebay for less than $1- sometimes. How much are you selling it for on your 
  website? You seem to have omitted the price on this one. 
  http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites/ 
   
   Randy 
   
   From: "Meteordealer" 
   To: 
   Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin.. 
   Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:06:50 -0500 

"Legitimate" meaning it has a unique name and we know 
  where, when, total 
   mass, how, and by whom it was found. Also meaning that the 
  appropriate lab 
   work and pairing has been done. Have any meteorites other 
  than an NWA lost 
   95% of their value in a 24 hour period? Not that i recall. 
  Are most NON 
   NWA's with the exception of a few still selling at about 
  the same price as 
   they always have? Yes. 
   

[meteorite-list] LAST WORD,

[Michael Farmer]

Brad, who gave you the right to the last word? It 
seems that the only people who are crying that the NWA rare prices are 
crashing/The old Sky is falling spiel, are the people who dont have anything to 
offer. 
I have many things, and my prices arent crashing. 
If you want Brahin, buy it up, you can have some nice $5 gram dust in a year or 
two. There are so many hundreds of kilos of Brahin coming out that it makes 
Campo look rare now. 

Also please clarify one more thing Brad, you 
mentioned that you have been in meteorites over 9 YEARS, WOW, I never heard your 
name until about 2 years ago, and I live in Tucson and know about everyone in 
meteorites. That would mean that you outdate almost every dealer out there but 
Haag, Lang and Mitterling. 
Any of you guys heard of Brad back then? It seems 
you are getting more and more time under your belt exponentially. 
Mike Farmer

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:56 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices 
  ruin..LAST WORD
  
  Please educate us on which NWA 
  meteorite lost 95% of it's value in 24 hours. Was this just another of 
  your broad, sweeping statements made for shock 
  value?
  
  No problem. NWA CR2's have lost 95% of their 
  value practically overnight. One day they were $300g, a few days later they 
  were $15g, hence the entire reason this discussion was started, Matteo was 
  upset that the price of his NWA CR2's had crashed. Have you noticed that the 
  Temple Bar, Arizona CR2 is still going for $300g-$500g despite what is 
  happening with the Moroccan's? What's the current value on Renazzo (CR2), 
  $350g-$400g? 
  
  Also, Wagon Mound is not selling for 
  what it sold per gram when it was first found. This is just not a true 
  statement.
  
  Wagon Mound currently lists between 
  $1.50g-$2.50g. That's the same price i was selling it for 2 years ago. There 
  are 2 pieces of WM on Ebay that just sold for $2.28g and 
  $11.72g.
  
  Brahin once sold for $10- per 
  gram. Now it can be bought on ebay for less than $1- sometimes. 
  How much are you selling it for on your website? You seem to have 
  omitted the price on this one. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites/
  
  Brahin could be found online about 4 years ago 
  for $4.50g-$5.00g. If you go outside of Ebay it is still listed for $4g-$5.00g 
  and selling for that price i might add. I sold out of Brahin last Summer for 
  $4.00g.I had a collector email mea couple of weeks ago wanting 
  some Brahin or Brenham. He said he was willing to pay $5g for a 
  niceslice in the 100g range. Ebay is not the end all be all determining 
  factor of meteorite value. You also have to factor in website prices, private 
  sale prices, and offline mail order prices. Don't be fooled by the 
  artificially low Ebay prices for Brahin. I would suggest buying as much Brahin 
  as you can as the price will be shooting back up as soon as Ivan runs out. 
  That is all i have to say on the subject. If anyone needs clarification as to 
  why rare types of NWA's are crashing feel free to email me PRIVATELY as i no 
  longer wish to bore the list members with this endless debate. This dead horse 
  has been beaten long enough. ;-)
  
  Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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From: 
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Mils 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:34 
AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 
prices ruin..



Brad:
Based upon your criteria of a "legitimate" meteorite, Lafayette does not 
qualify. We do not know for surewhen, where or by whom on 
Lafayette.
Please educate us on which NWA meteorite lost 95% of it's value in 24 
hours. Was this just another of your broad, sweeping statements made 
for shock value?Also, Wagon Mound is not selling for what it sold 
per gram when it was first found. This is just not a true 
statement. Actually I remember when one dealer had a sale in which he 
GAVE AWAY a sample of Wagon Mound with every purchase. Does this lower 
the value to zero. No, not anymore than a sale on any commodity at a 
retail store.
Brahin once sold for $10- per gram. Now it can be bought on ebay 
for less than $1- sometimes. How much are you selling it for on your 
website? You seem to have omitted the price on this one. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites/
Randy

From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: CR2 prices ruin.. 
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:06:50 -0500 
 
 "Legitimate" meaning it has a unique name and we know where, 
when, total 
mass, how, and by whom it was found. Also meaning that the 
appropriate lab 
work and pairing has been done. Have any meteorites other 
than an NWA lost 
95% of their value in a 24 hour period? Not that 

Re: [meteorite-list] Brenham

[Meteordealer]

 I have found it to be about 50/50. Some were found 
in flooded areas and some in dry areas. It's basically a crap shoot as to which 
variety you get. The old Brahin for the most part is very stable. Has anyone 
tried any of the chemical treatments previously discussedin attempt to 
stabilize the rusters?

Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  From: 
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  BOSTICK 
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  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:05 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
  Brenham
  
  
  I think what Famer means is the later recovered Brahin that has flooded 
  that market. It is unstable! Or at least the piece I bought is. A 
  campo slice stood next to my Brahin in my display case. The Campo has 
  one tiny spot of rust. The Brahin in about 6 monthsfell into three 
  pieces. Rust seems to form in lines that jagged around the 
  olivine. The Campo rust did not spread. I was told by someone I 
  wont mention that the nuclear accident was somewhat close to the find spot and 
  this is the reason. I dont think I believe that but figured I would 
  share it. 
  
  For whatever thats worth,
  
  Mark Bostick
  
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:47 
PM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: [meteorite-list] Brenham
Randy wrote: a pile of rust and olivine 
crystals. Same with Brenham. There are a few execptions depending on 
the sample ...Hello All!It seems I am one of the lucky ones 
who has got one of these exceptions.I bought my 195-gram Brenham slice 
about 15 years ago and it still looksexactly the same. It is a very 
stable specimen but I must admit thoughthat I've kept it in one of my 
three desiccators most of the time.Best 
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[meteorite-list] Crapshoot

[Michael Farmer]

At near the price of gold, I tend to avoid risky things 
like crapshoots. 
Mike Farmer

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  From: 
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  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:27 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
  Brenham
  
   I have found it to be about 50/50. Some were 
  found in flooded areas and some in dry areas. It's basically a crap shoot as 
  to which variety you get. The old Brahin for the most part is very stable. Has 
  anyone tried any of the chemical treatments previously discussedin 
  attempt to stabilize the rusters?
  
  Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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From: 
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BOSTICK 
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PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
Brenham


I think what Famer means is the later recovered Brahin that has flooded 
that market. It is unstable! Or at least the piece I bought is. 
A campo slice stood next to my Brahin in my display case. The Campo 
has one tiny spot of rust. The Brahin in about 6 monthsfell into 
three pieces. Rust seems to form in lines that jagged around the 
olivine. The Campo rust did not spread. I was told by someone I 
wont mention that the nuclear accident was somewhat close to the find spot 
and this is the reason. I dont think I believe that but figured I 
would share it. 

For whatever thats worth,

Mark Bostick

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  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:47 
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  To: meteorite-list
  Subject: [meteorite-list] 
  Brenham
  Randy wrote: a pile of rust and olivine 
  crystals. Same with Brenham. There are a few execptions depending 
  on the sample ...Hello All!It seems I am one of the lucky 
  ones who has got one of these exceptions.I bought my 195-gram Brenham 
  slice about 15 years ago and it still looksexactly the same. It is a 
  very stable specimen but I must admit thoughthat I've kept it in one 
  of my three desiccators most of the time.Best 
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[meteorite-list] Ice Chunks Fall From Sky Onto Car Dealership

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.charleston.net/pub/archive/news/ice0117.htm

Ice chunk falls from sky onto car dealership
BY EDWARD C. FENNELL
charleston.net (South Carolina)
January 17, 2002

 Literally out of the blue, something dropped in
Wednesday that froze an employee of a West Ashley auto
dealership in his path.
 A chunk of ice, perhaps half the size of a car fell
out of the sky and ripped through the roof of a repair
service area at Acura of Charleston dealership on Savannah
Highway. Authorities said late Wednesday that samples are
being tested by state officials, but for now, the source of
the frozen missile remains a mystery.
 The ice landed about 9 a.m., just missing a dealership
employee and causing $5,000 damage to the roof and damage to
a parked, new car, St. Andrews Fire Department Capt. Ray
Gorham said.
 It punched through the roof like you punch your hand
through a piece of paper, Gorham said.
 It had to come from high up and had to be traveling at
a high rate of speed. It had to be a fairly large piece
because it put a 3-foot hole in the roof, he said.
 Acura parts and service manager Mike Huggins had just
strolled through the room when the ball of ice arrived with
a loud bang.
 Another minute earlier, and I would have been right
beneath it, Huggins said. I heard a big explosion, and as
soon as I did, some of the roof was laying on the ground.
 At first he thought perhaps an air conditioning unit on
the roof had exploded, but that was soon discounted.
 There was a two-and-a-half foot by three-and-a-half
piece (of ice) - a pretty big slab - on the floor, with lots
of little chunks, Huggins said. We saved a couple of
chunks, he added.
 Though speculation was that the ice was contents of a
leaking aircraft toilet that became frozen outside the plane
and then fell off, Huggins said the ice seemed clear and
pure.
 It didn't have an odor, and it was hard as a rock. It
looked like a big hunk of ice, some clear and some white,
like normal ice would be, he said.
 Gorham said Acura called an insurance agent who came to
the scene and advised that a police report would be
necessary. The Charleston County Sheriff's Office sent
deputies who called in firefighters to determine if the
frosty visitor contained any hazardous material.
 Firefighters found no trace of a hazard but called
Emergency Preparedness Department officials who took samples
to send to a lab, Gorham said.
 Gorham said that by the time he and other firefighters
saw the ice, much of it had melted and it looked brownish.
 Huggins said the ice became discolored as it melted and
mixed with insulation, asphalt and rocks from the roof.
 I have no clue where it came from, Gorham said. My
best guess is that it was from the edge of a meteor. He
said he checked with FAA officials who told him there was no
air traffic in the area at that time.
 Huggins speculated that it's possible the FAA would not
disclose the presence of any military aircraft.
 Wherever it came from, the ice has authorities and
dealership employees puzzled.
 None of the guys from here, or the firefighters,
police or EMS had ever seen anything like this, Huggins
said. Lots of police and firefighters came by just to have
a look because nobody could believe that what was being
radioed out had really happened.
 Gorham said the incident left us all scratching our
heads. In my 16 years of fire service, it's the strangest
thing I ever saw.
 Huggins discounts any suggestion that anyone aimed a
ball of ice at the dealership.
 I don't think the Taliban can shoot it that far,
Huggins said.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Brenham

[Michael Cottingham]

That is VODKA talking!!!


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 Mark and List,
 Part of the Brahin strewn field does indeed overlap with the Chernobal
 nuclear accident site, according to my good friend Ivan Koutyrev.

 While talking about meteorite hunting one night, Ivan told me and my half
 brother John Blennert,  that he saw several four foot tall rabbits in the
 Brahin area.  I think the radio activity might have affected the wildlife,
 but I doubt it caused any problems with the pallasite.

 Cheers,

 John



 At 05:05 PM 1/18/02 -0600, MARK BOSTICK wrote:
 I was told by someone I wont mention that the nuclear accident was
 somewhat close to the find spot and this is the reason.  I dont think I
 believe that but figured I would share it.

 John Gwilliam Meteorites
 PO Box 26854
 Tempe  AZ  85285
 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Brenham

[John Gwilliam]

No, actually it was Ivan!

At 05:20 PM 1/18/02 -0700, Michael Cottingham wrote:
That is VODKA talking!!!


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  Mark and List,
  Part of the Brahin strewn field does indeed overlap with the Chernobal
  nuclear accident site, according to my good friend Ivan Koutyrev.
 
  While talking about meteorite hunting one night, Ivan told me and my half
  brother John Blennert,  that he saw several four foot tall rabbits in the
  Brahin area.  I think the radio activity might have affected the wildlife,
  but I doubt it caused any problems with the pallasite.
 
  Cheers,
 
  John
 
 
 
  At 05:05 PM 1/18/02 -0600, MARK BOSTICK wrote:
  I was told by someone I wont mention that the nuclear accident was
  somewhat close to the find spot and this is the reason.  I dont think I
  believe that but figured I would share it.
 
  John Gwilliam Meteorites
  PO Box 26854
  Tempe  AZ  85285
  http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted

[Meteordealer]

 Maybe i should re-phrase that. hehe :-)

Brad Sampson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  In a message dated 
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  I'm looking for a good flat lap. OK, 
  noweveryone, behave yourselves. ;-) 
  

[meteorite-list] Rocks On Your Head (Valera Meteorite)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4337489,00.html

Rocks on your head 

Meteorite collectors are up in arms, and all over a dead cow. Duncan Steel
explains why.

The Guardian (United Kingdom)
January 17, 2002

Each day about 100 tons of cosmic detritus arrives from space. Most burns up
high in the atmosphere. But every so often a rock makes it through. 

Asteroid impacts are dangerous because such behemoths hit the ground at
phenomenal speed, releasing a vast amount of energy when they do so: an
explosion that could kill millions, even billions. Just ask the dinosaurs. 

Smaller rocks from space are decelerated by the atmosphere and reach the
ground at the same terminal velocity as a heavy object dropped from an
aeroplane. These we call meteorites. And the community of those who collect
and study meteorites has been much perturbed of late by a
particular lump of space rock. 

Meteorites could be hazardous, if you were unfortunate enough to be hit.
Only a handful of meteorites reach the ground each day, and human bodies
cover a tiny fraction of the planet's surface. A decade ago, a boy in Uganda
was struck but not badly hurt. In 1954 one punched through the roof of a
house in Alabama and severely bruised a woman's arm. The casualty rate is
low. 

There are many records of buildings and cars being struck. This is no bad
thing for the owners: the value of the meteorite may be greater than that of
the damaged car. A car that was damaged by a fall near New York in 1992 was
sold for a considerable sum as a museum exhibit.

Stories of meteorites hitting animals are legion, attaining mythological
status. One story is that a dog was killed by the Nakhla meteorite, which
fell in Egypt in 1911 (and is one of the 16 meteorites known to have come
from Mars). Recent investigations seem to show that the story is apocryphal,
rather than apocalyptic. A meteorite that fell at Ohio in 1860 reportedly
killed a colt or a pony. Again the story has never been validated. 

But now a death by meteorite rumour has been confirmed, a Venezuelan cow
having been the victim in 1972. The meteorite fell on a farm to the east of
the town of Valera, and in consequence takes that as its name, as is the
norm. It is almost three decades ago but the object has only just been
listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin, the standard publication, because the
eyewitnesses thought little of it at the time. Only through later detective
work were the circumstances pieced together. 

On the evening of October 15 that year a bright light was seen in the sky,
and a loud noise heard. The next morning three people found a dead cow, one
of its forequarters crushed by the impact, with three fragments of the
broken meteorite next to it on the ground. These weighed about 50kg
altogether: enough to kill any animal, if dropped from a great height. One
of the three -- a physician -- believed the rock had fallen from the sky and
caused the cow's death. The two smaller fragments were taken indoors, the
larger left outside, the people having no idea of the potential value of
their find. The cow was eaten.

Recently, Dr Ignacio Ferrin, an astronomer at the University of the Andes,
traced the witnesses and the pieces of the meteorite. Bits have been
distributed to professional meteoriticists. Much is now in private hands,
with collectors clamouring for good samples. You could buy a slice
(meteorites are often sawn into thin samples to be displayed), a typical
cost being about £5 per gram. That gives the original 50 kg a value of
£250,000.

The value of the Valera meteorite comes from its new reputation as a
cow-killer, and samples come with a copy of an affidavit vouching for its
validity, signed by the medic involved, Dr Arginiro Gonzales. Some meteorite
enthusiasts observe that Valera's value has been boosted 10-fold by the
connection with the cow, and suggest that a different type of killing might
be being made. 

There is another twist. Many meteorite collectors possess samples of a large
fall found in the Atacama Desert in Chile, in 1861. More than 80 fragments
have been identified, many in recent years. These weigh about four tons, so
there has been plenty to go around. These pieces were strewn around a dry
riverbed called Vaca Muerta, giving this meteorite its name. 

Vaca Muerta means dead cow in Spanish. So the Venezuelan meteorite is
being called Vaca Muerta II by some. The cynics see a more invidious
connection, thinking the name of the famous meteorite from the Atacama may
have provided the inspiration for a bit of money-making further north in
Latin America.

-Duncan Steel teaches space and astronomy subjects at the University of
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Re: [meteorite-list] CR2s a temporary bargain

[Michael Farmer]

I was in the strewnfield four days ago. 

Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Gregory 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:42 
  AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2s a 
  temporary bargain
  
  Dear List
  
   I am one of about 4 
  dealers who bought up CR2s in Morroco.We all shared our good fortune with 
  friends, collectors and Ebay buyers.This however was a very temporary 
  opportunity which will never be seen again. Dean Bessy allowed collectors for 
  a once in a lifetime chance at letting them have CR2s at $23 a gram. People 
  who would never have dreamed one year ago at such an opportunity, now proudly 
  display their CR2s and are expanding their collections.He will sell out at 
  Tucson leaving only three of us with the lion's share of this find. The strewn 
  field is small and totally worked over.Those of us left will never after 
  Tucson let this rare material sell for under $100 a gram.I probably control 
  half of the fall and will personally keep or donate it to the Royal Ontario 
  Museum in Toronto , Canada. [ about4,000+ grams]. Thus supply and demand kick 
  in and those that have it are in no hurry to sell it at low prices after Feb. 
  2002. For those that bought CR2s from Dean, Congratulations on the great deal. 
  For those who didn't it's highly unlikely you will ever be offered this gift 
  again, which was more of a temporary parntnership to help offset Deans 
  investment.Dean has done well by buying from the source andadding a bit 
  of a mark up. He is providing material today that we could only 
  havedreamed of a year ago at affordable prices. He has helped to expand 
  the base of our collecting community and is an asset to us.Those who bought in 
  the past at high prices should not worry. The material is limited and will 
  continue to sell to high prices in the future. Best regards 
  DavidGregory

Re: [meteorite-list] CR2s a temporary bargain

[MARK BOSTICK]

Well Said!!  Mark- Original Message - From: David Gregory Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] CR2s a temporary bargain Dear List   I am one of about 4 dealers who bought up CR2s in Morroco.We all shared our good fortune with friends, collectors and Ebay buyers.This however was a very temporary opportunity which will never be seen again. Dean Bessy allowed collectors for a once in a lifetime chance at letting them have CR2s at $23 a gram. People who would never have dreamed one year ago at such an opportunity, now proudly display their CR2s and are expanding their collections.He will sell out at Tucson leaving only three of us with the lion's share of this find. The strewn field is small and totally worked over.Those of us left will never after Tucson let this rare material sell for under $100 a gram.I probably control half of the fall and will personally keep or donate it to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto , Canada. [ about4,000+ grams]. Thus supply and demand kick in and those that have it are in no hurry to sell it at low prices after Feb. 2002. For those that bought CR2s from Dean, Congratulations on the great deal. For those who didn't it's highly unlikely you will ever be offered this gift again, which was more of a temporary parntnership to help offset Deans investment.Dean has done well by buying from the source andadding a bit of a mark up. He is providing material today that we could only havedreamed of a year ago at affordable prices. He has helped to expand the base of our collecting community and is an asset to us.Those who bought in the past at high prices should not worry. The material is limited and will continue to sell to high prices in the future. Best regards DavidGregory

[meteorite-list] Re: Rusters

[Ing. Christian ANGER]

Hi !

I bought a Brahin about one year ago from Mike Farmer.
It was in excellent condition.
No rust until now, no changes in surface since I got it.
I keep it in a membrane box.

Christian

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