[meteorite-list] Root of obsession with Dead Dog
It's not the dead dog, it's the desire to recover more Martian specimens from this fall that is driving your obsessions... Here's an idea - Either go to Egypt, and look for the fragments, or find and contact a local rare stone dealer and have him do it. Option B is probably the better idea, as he would be able to track down the heirs of the original farmers who lived in the area. If that does not seem feasable to you folks, try Option C. It's not like Egypt does not have any scientists, and surely ther emust be at least one of you who should be able to find an Arabic speaker to translate for you - EP __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
Hi All, I have communicated with Rich on his hunt about a month ago. I think he is or at least was a member of this list a while back (one with a virus attached). Thought I might try to join in on the fun. The article says: he hopes to use infrared photography to find the now buried meteorite when the weather warms. If this thing is buried three four feet below the surface (and believe me that's about how deep the farmer probably buried it or deeper. Then this should have the same temperature as the surrounding ground (unless it's retained its white hot temperature from its fall) or (has retained its 200 degree temperature from space) I think after 100 years it is safe to assume it is the same temperature as the surrounding ground it is in so using the infrared photography to me won't work. Any thoughts on this? P.S. I commented to one writer about the price and tried to explain a number of things on the pricing of meteorites and such a large piece. He used a geologists and some professor's estimates (I just think he quoted Rich). They also don't take into consideration this may be a rust bucket by now and will have real rust problems should he get it out of the ground. The Plymouth pieces I looked at in the Field Museum show signs of rust and they have been retained for sometime now. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: New Naklha Dog Evidence
In a message dated 1/22/02 11:48:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact remains that observations of smoke columns, detonations and falling rocks were reported from both El Nakhla AND Denshal. Ron and List, Aren't "smoke columns" seen for hundreds of miles from most every direction? I suppose if the trajectory of the fall was such that you were right at the impact site and thus it would be as if you were looking down the barrel of a shotgun, you might not see anything but the fireball coming at you getting bigger (but not looking like it was moving) with a single "smoke spot" (not appearing like a column) left afterwards. I remember old field records (Nininger, Monnig, etc.) showing that the sonic booms often stop just before you get to the impact spot (or retardation point) seldom going past the fall spot, but often going back many tens of miles (sometimes 50+ miles) in the direction it came from. I would say that the better view of a "smoke column" one would have, the further away from the fireball and strewnfield one would be, within reason (maybe within 100 miles). I often have to tell people who swear they saw the "meter land just over that thar barn, in the corn field, probably 100 feet out" that if they were indeed that close to the fall site, the meteor would have burned out almost straight above them. Instead, if the fireball disappeard over the horizon (or at least the top of the barn) then it could have gone 500 more miles before burning out and falling. Maybe someone could ask the witness at Denshal at what point he saw the "smoke column" in the sky stop? Steve Arnold www.meteoritebroker.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
In a message dated 1/22/02 12:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just wondering...is it physically possible to have a one-ton Lunarite?? If it was ejected from the moon that is...I am no physicist, but that would have to be one helluva impact! Matt Matt, A couple of years back talked with one of the Lunar researchers at Washington University at St. Louis about that, and he said there is a limit as to how big of a piece could have gotten off the Moon, and it is pretty small. As I recall, he said the limit would be only a couple of Kilograms. He said there has been some debate on the topic, I will check with him again and see if anything has been written up on it. Steve Arnold www.meteoritebroker.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
<< I've never seen somebody get so much press without actually finding anything! >> Does Mohammed qualify for this comparison? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
OK...then that might make it $600k. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
Just wondering...is it physically possible to have a one-ton Lunarite?? If it was ejected from the moon that is...I am no physicist, but that would have to be one helluva impact! Matt - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World > << What a goof...500k? What planet is he from? >> > > Unless it's that one-ton lunar meteorite we'll all hoping for!!! > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
Where can I join? I want to be a loon too! Matt - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World > Ron posted: > > >[Nowak] has founded what he calls the International Meteorite Society, and he > >has bought meteorites online. But he has yet to discover a meteorite. > > I've never seen somebody get so much press without actually finding > anything! Mr. Nowak must have a very good agent. Or maybe it's just > that local papers are always hungry for a really far-out yarn : ) > > > geoff N. > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
Ron posted: >[Nowak] has founded what he calls the International Meteorite Society, and he >has bought meteorites online. But he has yet to discover a meteorite. I've never seen somebody get so much press without actually finding anything! Mr. Nowak must have a very good agent. Or maybe it's just that local papers are always hungry for a really far-out yarn : ) geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
Yeah that would be a great find the first IIIA medium octahedrite Lunar. Elijah Killgore Southwest Meteorite Laboratory PO Box 95 Payson, AZ 85547 928.474.9515 928.474.2474 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.meteorite-lab.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Morgan Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World Good point..LOL - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World > << What a goof...500k? What planet is he from? >> > > Unless it's that one-ton lunar meteorite we'll all hoping for!!! > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Naklha Dog Evidence
>OK, what's new? Not that Mohammed saw a "fearful column" that no one else >saw in Denshal. Yes, that is true, not everyone reported seeing a smoke column. But then again, not eveyone in El Nahkla reported seeing a smoke column either, or even reported hearing the detonations. In particular, a 1.32 kg fragment of the meteorite landed about 50 meters from an eye witness in El Nakhla, yet he did not report any smoke columns or detonations. From Hume's paper: The first specimen sent in to the Survey Department, was observed to fall by Mohammad Abu Siam in an open spaceHe appears to have been some fifty metres from the spot, and noticed a cloud of dust suddenly raised by an object striking the ground. He does not appear to to have noted any special pecularities in other respects The specimen has a total weight of 1,320 grams. >but in the end the Nakhla fall was one of the most investigated falls in history The fact remains that observations of smoke columns, detonations and falling rocks were reported from both El Nakhla AND Denshal. Yet there was no fieldwork done at all in Denshal by any qualified personnel. The investigation in 1911 on the Nakhal fall was far from being complete or as thorough as it could have been. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
Good point..LOL - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World > << What a goof...500k? What planet is he from? >> > > Unless it's that one-ton lunar meteorite we'll all hoping for!!! > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
<< What a goof...500k? What planet is he from? >> Unless it's that one-ton lunar meteorite we'll all hoping for!!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] EADS Colorado wanted
I am looking to trade for a piece of the Eads, Colorado meteorite. If you have some, please drop me an email. Thanks. ==Matt MorganMile High MeteoritesP.O. Box 151293Lakewood, CO 80215http://www.mhmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] Scientists Dig Deeper Into Massive Crater
http://www.bergen.com/morenews/crater22200201227.htm Scientists dig deeper into massive crater By ROBERT S. BOYD Knight Ridder Newspapers January 22, 2002 WASHINGTON -- Scientists have begun drilling a mile-deep hole into a huge underground crater that was left by a mountain-sized asteroid or comet that slammed into Earth 65 million years ago and, according to a widely accepted theory, wiped out the dinosaurs. This month, they reached the uppermost layer of broken rocks buried beneath Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula that were smashed, twisted, and hurled about by the tremendous force of the collision. The researchers hope to learn exactly what the space invader did when it penetrated the Earth's crust in a fiery ball of unimaginable violence. The goal is to better understand how the impact devastated the global environment, clearing the way for the rise of mammals, including humans. "Since we can't go back 65 million years in a time machine, drilling down to the 65-million-year level is the best we can do," said James Powell, the executive director of the National Physical Science Consortium at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. The ancient catastrophe marked "the transition between the Age of Reptiles and the Age of Mammals," said David Kring, a planetary scientist at the University of Arizona in Tucson and a leader of the drilling team from Mexico and the United States. "Mammals were able to develop because the impact caused a complete change in the biological landscape of Earth," Kring said in an interview. "Then evolution took advantage of the change." The smashed rubble, technically known as breccia, was found 2,800 feet (a half mile) below ground, about 25 miles southwest of the Yucatan city of Merida. The crater is called Chicxulub (pronounced cheek-shoo-loob) for the village located over its center. Kring, a principal investigator in the Chicxulub Scientific Drilling Project, said the drill would bring up rocky cores about as thick as a baseball bat that would reveal the complete history of the ancient disaster. "For the first time, we will be able to see the entire geology of the structure, all the way down to the bedrock of the continental crust," he said. Between the breccia and the bedrock, researchers expect to find a thick stony sheet that was melted by the intense heat of the long ago crash. The volume of the molten material could have been as much as 24,000 cubic miles, enough to fill Hudson's Bay or the Gulf of California with lava. "People have a hard time understanding the scale of this impact," Kring said. "It moved millions of tons of rock, some of it more than 60 miles. Material 20 miles beneath the surface was affected by the shock wave. A large part of the Earth's crust was uplifted and folded by the blast." Poisonous gases, dust, smoke, and fire from the impact blotted out the sun, lowered temperatures, and contaminated the air for months or years, killing more than 75 percent of the plant and animal species in existence. Wary of another such calamity, astronomers have begun a search for all large "Near Earth Objects" that might be on a collision course with our planet. For example, they spotted an asteroid the size of three football fields that streaked within 500,000 miles -- twice the distance to the moon -- on Jan. 7. If a space rock is detected early enough, scientists hope they will be able to deflect it with a nuclear-armed missile. Even a slight change of course could be enough for a far-off object to miss the Earth. According to Powell, who is not a member of the Chicxulub project, the drilling could clear up some mysteries, such as whether the space intruder was a comet or an asteroid. Asteroids are rocky objects orbiting between Earth and Jupiter. Comets are balls of ice and frozen gas from beyond Pluto that periodically swoop through the solar system. Comets are considered more dangerous than asteroids because their enormous speed multiplies their power. In addition, Powell said the drillers might find traces of sulfur-rich rocks in the crater, helping to explain why the atmosphere poisoned so many living creatures. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
What a goof...500k? What planet is he from? Title should read "Meteorite Finder IS Out Of This World" Matt - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World > > > http://www.ohio.com/dist/ns/010884.htm > > Meteorite find would be out of this world > > Medina County man hunting for sky rocks worth a small > fortune > > BY BOB DOWNING > Akron Beacon Journal (Ohio) > January 22, 2002 > > CHIPPEWA LAKE: A Medina County man is pursuing a pot of gold. > > Rich Nowak, 33, of Chippewa Lake, is not chasing rainbows, but he is busy > tracking down two meteorites in northern Indiana. > > He has what he considers a solid lead on a large and potentially valuable > meteorite near Plymouth, Ind., about 30 miles south of South Bend. > > But he's not saying much more about that rock from space, at least not yet. > > The amateur meteorite hunter signed an agreement in late December with an > Indiana family to search a 70-acre tract on their farm near Plymouth for a > second meteorite that dates to 1872. > > That pear-shaped meteorite is 3 feet by 4 feet and could weigh up to 1,000 > pounds, according to historic accounts. It could be worth $300,000 to > $500,000, with museums and private collectors willing to pay that kind of > money for them, he said. > > Nowak, who makes air purification equipment for a living, and Helen > Schneider's family would equally split the proceeds from the sale of that > meteorite, a chunk from an asteroid that fell to Earth. > > He and a few friends have been searching the farm on weekends and at > other times. > > He twice failed to find the 1872 meteorite by using a metal detector. Now he > hopes to use infrared photography to find the now-buried meteorite when the > weather warms. > > He was drawn to Plymouth after reading an article on the 1872 meteorite in > the American Journal of Science that was published in 1895. His efforts have > attracted widespread attention in Indiana, with news reports appearing in > papers in Plymouth, South Bend and Indianapolis. > > Meteorites are now Nowak's passion, but he was first drawn to them only two > years ago after seeing one tumble from the sky. > > He has founded what he calls the International Meteorite Society, and he > has bought meteorites online. But he has yet to discover a meteorite. > > Only 11 meteorites have been recovered in Ohio, so Nowak, who declined to > be photographed, said he intends to focus his meteorite hunting in Ohio, > Indiana, Illinois, Iowa and Michigan. > > It is a hobby now, but Nowak admits he would like to turn his meteorite > hunting into a full-time occupation. > > Finding a large meteorite would be ``like winning the lottery,'' said Nowak, > who attended Highland and Medina high schools and Cuyahoga Community > College. > > ``It's a golden opportunity,'' he said. ``It could be lucrative, although it hasn't > been lucrative yet. . . . But meteorites are worth more than diamonds and > gold. And there's very little competition because most people are clueless > about meteorites.'' > > Meteorites are not that rare -- two or three a day crash to Earth -- but > identifying them from less valuable earthly rocks is difficult, said Gerald > Newsome, a professor of astronomy at Ohio State University. > > Meteorites tend to be iron-nickel or stony specimens. The metallic meteorites > are less common and more apt to end up in museums, he said. The stony > ones are more common, harder to find and more likely to crumble, he said. > > But meteorites can fetch substantial amounts of money from museums and > collectors, depending on their size and condition, he said. > > ``There's always a chance of a payoff,'' he said of the chances of finding a > valuable meteorite, ``but it's a long shot.'' > > Bob Downing can be reached at 330-996-3745 or > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Find Would Be Out Of This World
http://www.ohio.com/dist/ns/010884.htm Meteorite find would be out of this world Medina County man hunting for sky rocks worth a small fortune BY BOB DOWNING Akron Beacon Journal (Ohio) January 22, 2002 CHIPPEWA LAKE: A Medina County man is pursuing a pot of gold. Rich Nowak, 33, of Chippewa Lake, is not chasing rainbows, but he is busy tracking down two meteorites in northern Indiana. He has what he considers a solid lead on a large and potentially valuable meteorite near Plymouth, Ind., about 30 miles south of South Bend. But he's not saying much more about that rock from space, at least not yet. The amateur meteorite hunter signed an agreement in late December with an Indiana family to search a 70-acre tract on their farm near Plymouth for a second meteorite that dates to 1872. That pear-shaped meteorite is 3 feet by 4 feet and could weigh up to 1,000 pounds, according to historic accounts. It could be worth $300,000 to $500,000, with museums and private collectors willing to pay that kind of money for them, he said. Nowak, who makes air purification equipment for a living, and Helen Schneider's family would equally split the proceeds from the sale of that meteorite, a chunk from an asteroid that fell to Earth. He and a few friends have been searching the farm on weekends and at other times. He twice failed to find the 1872 meteorite by using a metal detector. Now he hopes to use infrared photography to find the now-buried meteorite when the weather warms. He was drawn to Plymouth after reading an article on the 1872 meteorite in the American Journal of Science that was published in 1895. His efforts have attracted widespread attention in Indiana, with news reports appearing in papers in Plymouth, South Bend and Indianapolis. Meteorites are now Nowak's passion, but he was first drawn to them only two years ago after seeing one tumble from the sky. He has founded what he calls the International Meteorite Society, and he has bought meteorites online. But he has yet to discover a meteorite. Only 11 meteorites have been recovered in Ohio, so Nowak, who declined to be photographed, said he intends to focus his meteorite hunting in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa and Michigan. It is a hobby now, but Nowak admits he would like to turn his meteorite hunting into a full-time occupation. Finding a large meteorite would be ``like winning the lottery,'' said Nowak, who attended Highland and Medina high schools and Cuyahoga Community College. ``It's a golden opportunity,'' he said. ``It could be lucrative, although it hasn't been lucrative yet. . . . But meteorites are worth more than diamonds and gold. And there's very little competition because most people are clueless about meteorites.'' Meteorites are not that rare -- two or three a day crash to Earth -- but identifying them from less valuable earthly rocks is difficult, said Gerald Newsome, a professor of astronomy at Ohio State University. Meteorites tend to be iron-nickel or stony specimens. The metallic meteorites are less common and more apt to end up in museums, he said. The stony ones are more common, harder to find and more likely to crumble, he said. But meteorites can fetch substantial amounts of money from museums and collectors, depending on their size and condition, he said. ``There's always a chance of a payoff,'' he said of the chances of finding a valuable meteorite, ``but it's a long shot.'' Bob Downing can be reached at 330-996-3745 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another Martian?
Maybe Ron's emails did not include this one. I forget. Pretty sketchy description: GRV 9927. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/1562.pdf Allan H. Treiman Lunar and Planetary Institute 3600 Bay Area Boulevard Houston TX 77058-1113 281-486-2117 281-486-2162 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ron Baalke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa Meteor Crater Sparks Interest Of Attorney http://www.oaoa.com/news/nw011702b.htm Meteor Crater Sparks Interest Of Attorney By Ruth Friedberg Odessa American January 17, 2002 For most of his life, Tom Rodman has been interested in a 50,000-year-old hole in the ground - the Odessa meteor crater. His family moved to Odessa in 1932. They had land near the crater, located south of town. "The crater is just an interesting thing," said Rodman, who is an Odessa attorney. "We used to go down there in high school. It was timbered with ladders connecting different floors and levels" allowing people to get down to the bottom of the pit. "Unfortunately, in the early '50s, the timbers burned or were set on fire and are now covered with charcoal," he said. The University of Texas Bureau of Economic Geology did research on the crater site looking for the mass of the meteorite from September 1939 to September 1941, Rodman said. The work was a cooperative venture that also involved federal, state and Ector County agencies. Glen Evans was the chief geologist for UT Bureau of Economic Geology, which investigates and reports on geological features. "But they know now with so much heat and energy generated, the meteorite was vaporized," Rodman said. The family that owns the meteor crater in Arizona also came to Odessa trying to find the meteorite mass in the 1950s. It is speculated that the crater in Arizona and the one in Odessa were made by the same meteor fall, Evans said. The UT Bureau of Economic Geology found four small craters buried under sediment, according to the Occasional Papers of the Strecker Museum, put out by Baylor University. When first formed, the craters were funnel-shaped depressions, the largest of which was about 550 feet in diameter and 100 feet deep. More than 100,000 cubic yards of crushed rock was spewed from the crater after the impact of the meteor, according to a pamphlet on the crater. The main crater was eventually filled to within six feet of the level of the surrounding plain. Evans said when the meteor originally got into the Earth's atmosphere at very great height and "incredible velocity," the pressure of the atmosphere caused it to break up. The crater now looks like a shallow nearly circular depression surrounded by a low, rock-buttressed rim. The smaller craters were "so completely buried that their existence was not suspected until they were exposed" by the UT group, the pamphlet said. Although UT officials found no meteor mass, many nickel-iron meteorites were found in an area of about 100 miles around the crater, according to the Occasional Papers of the Striker Museum. "We thought it was a terribly exciting spot," Evans said. Over the years, Rodman said the area has been "pretty well cleared out with metal detectors." At the time the meteorite hit, it was a wet period. "Fifty-thousand years ago, it was probably wet and marshy," Rodman said. When UT drilled, they hit what they thought was the meteorite's main mass at 165 feet. They got to what Evans realized was the bottom of the crater and found a "real hard conglomerate." When Rodman got interested in the crater, he contacted Evans, who was living in Midland at the time. Rodman said about half the meteorites were put in a small museum at the crater site. The museum survived until vandalism got so bad the museum couldn't be maintained. He said half the collection was stolen, so the remainder was moved to the Ector County Library where it would be safe. The one-story concrete structure that had been the museum was replaced with a picnic bench when the county took over. The land was deeded to the county by T.P. Land Trust in November 1978. Through the years, Rodman said he has worked through the Chamber of Commerce's meteor crater committee and tried to get the state to take it over as a park. In 1999, State Rep. Buddy West (R-Odessa) got a $500,000 state appropriation to build a museum and caretaker's quarters on site, Rodman said. Construction started in June 2001 and is supposed to be finished in early February. Rodman said an estimated 9,000 people a year visit the site. Rodman said a lot of material from the Odessa meteorite will be on display, along with numerous other meteorites. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.
Re: [meteorite-list] Thank you,Cmcdon0923!
Hi Mike Ever since this "discussion" started, I could picture the minds of cartoonists (like Dorothy Norton) working overtime with the added motivation of thousands of hobbyists standing (of course with $$ in hand) on either side of the dog wondering and wagering if it's (was?) dead or not. Dave Michael Farmer wrote: > This is the stupidist damned argument I have seen in a very long time. > Why fought over something that occured long before any of us were even born! > WE WILL NEVER know one way or the other, Kevin, you make a great case, but > in the end, it is your opinion, based on good facts, but it proves > absolutely nothing. The stupid dog story is almost a century old, and will > be around after we are dead. Leave it alone, people like it and you cant > prove or disprove it. I am sick of this useless endless circle of Nakhla dog > #$%. > Mike Farmer > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:49 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank you,Cmcdon0923! > > > Dear Cmcdon0923: > > > > You wrote -- "And this was posted to the list for what reason? Was this a > > serious challengewas it meant to be humorous?... > > > > Yes. I'll pay $200 in serious USA currency (small bills if you insist, > none > > of that funny new "Euro" stuff) for the 1911 "Al Ahali" newspaper. Laugh > if > > you like. > > > > You wrote -- "do you have an issue surrounding government employees? > > > > Yes. I deal with Lee County, Florida officials all day on land use and > > zoning issues. They're lazy, arbitrary and stupid. I tell them this and > they > > throw "spitballs" at me. But to the point, Ron administers an influential > USA > > Gov. website that we USA citizens pay for. It is traditional here that our > > government information sites not stray "too-far" from the truth. This site > > knowingly distributes information that is false. As a civic-minded patriot > I > > know that this is wrong. It is my duty to object. > > > > You wrote -- "If you have a personal beef with Ron over the Nakhla story, > > then handle it that way- personally." > > > > Yes. > > > > You wrote -- "Just because Ron can't prove it happened, doesn't mean it > > didn't." > > > > Really? Then everyone accused of a crime goes to jail. > > > > You wrote -- "Just because you can't prove it didn't happen, doesn't mean > it > > did." > > > > Really? Illogical double negatives. What democracy are you from that > forces a > > person "to prove he didn't commit a crime?" Ron's "law" would have you > wait > > in jail until the Valera cow comes home (trust me, that's a l-o-n-g time) > > while he looks for the proof he "knows" exists. Luckily Cmcdon0923, in the > > USA, if there's no proof, it didn't happen and you walk a free meteorite, > er, > > man. Have a beer on me. And take a cigar out of the box for the lady. > > > > I want to thank CMcdon0923 for so wonderfully distilling this discussion. > In > > the primeval past, a "story" claimed that a meteorite hit a dog and killed > > it. So sensational it was, that officials on the scene that refuted it > were > > ignored by the popular forces of ignorance. (What makes these forces > > "popular" anyway? Who wants to hang around people that start their > sentences > > with -- "Duh." Thank God I'm on this list with you good people.) > > > > By effort (a pen, an envelope and a stamp) and serendipity, I easily found > > that NO evidence exists that a dog was struck by a meteorite in Egypt in > > 1911. Any of you would have found the same if you weren't so busy trading > > NWA's. I'm sure if Ron had "discovered" this he would correctly state the > > truth on the website he works for us citizens and at least one more > asteroid > > would be named after him -- "Ron"-- but I don't expect or want any such > honor > > for myself (hold your applause). > > > > And after all, NONE OF THIS IS important if we all get radioactive anthrax > > tomorrow. > > > > But IF WE MANAGE TO EXCAPE certain excruciating death tomorrow, than this > IS > > the seminal meteorite "story." Boys and girls, it didn't happen. Now let's > > all grow up and be good little scientists and admit it didn't happen. > > > > BTW - Thank you each and every one for emailing me your favorite "Nakhla" > dog > > (sic) photo attachments with their heads blown off, I'm touched by your > > sentiments. > > > > Kevin Kichinka > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Naklha Dog Evidence
Hi, Members of the DDG (Dog Discussion Group), The quote describing the circumstances of the fall contains a datum which is testable and could yield information: "The fearful column which appeared in the sky at Denshal was substantial. The terrific noise it emitted was an explosion which made it erupt in several fragments of volcanic materials. These curious fragments, falling to earth buried themselves into the sand to the depth of about one metre." Someone somewhere with more specific engineering experience ought to be able to tell us what velocity is necessary to drive a small rock fragment one meter deep in sand. More velocity, I would assume, than would be necessary to drive a bullet a meter deep in sand, since a bullet is shaped to penetrate and a meteorite isn't. Are there any ballistics experts among us who could tell us what size (and speed) of bullet penetrates a meter in loose sand? This might yield another constraint as to the feasibility of the story overall. Sterling K. Webb Ron Baalke wrote: > >OK, what's new? Not that Mohammed saw a "fearful column" that no one else > >saw in Denshal. This discrepancy is reported elsewhere in the literature > >after extensive fieldwork by qualified personnel. > > There was no fieldwork done at all by any qualified personnel in Denshal, from > where the original report of the Nakhla meteorite came from. > > >In fact, when point blank > >questioned, local authorities reported "quaking in the atmosphere" > > Actually, the extent of the interrogation of the local authorities was a single > telegram, which was replied to, also by telegram, in a brief one-sentence response. > But that brief response also included these words: > > "the inhabitants of Denshal village heard an explosion resembling a >clap of thunder, accompanied by a small quaking in the atmosphere". > > Why do you doubt that the inhabitants of Denshal and the farmer did not witness the > meteorite fall? It is rather clear they did. > > >The farmer saw something rare in the sky. > > Yes he did. He had witnessed a meteorite fall. > > >BUT HE WASN'T IN DENSHAL when he saw it. > > Hmmm. well here's the complete statement by the farmer: > >The fearful column which appeared in the sky at Denshal was substantial. >The terrific noise it emitted was an explosion which made it erupt in several >fragments of volcanic materials. These curious fragments, falling to earth >buried themselves into the sand to the depth of about one metre. One of them >fell on a dog at Denshal, leaving it like ashes in a moment." Mohammed Eff. >showed the editor of "Al Ahali" a small piece of the fragments, which were >described as of a greenish colour, covered with something like shining pitch. > > I don't see why you think the farmer wasn't in Denshal. This is a great > eyewitness account of a meteorite fall, along with an accurate description of the > Nakhla meteorite. Why do you think he did not witness the meteorite fall? Why do you >insist > the farmer's story was a "the product of a lively imagination"? > > >2. "Mohammed showed the editor of "Al Ahali" a small piece of the > >fragments" > > >Is this what killed/smote/irritated the dog? What OTHER piece of meteorite > >would Mohammed have? Wouldn't he pick up the one that killed the dog first? > >Would he pick it up second? Not at all? Why didn't Mo claim this was the dog > >killer? Did he want it for a souvenir? Or is it because it wasn't the dog > >killer because he knew THAT didn't exist? > > The farmer reporting seeing several fragments, but it did not say which one > was given to the editor. These are excellent questions, and just shows > that the dog story is far from being resolved. It definitely needs further >investigation. > Unfortunately, there were no followup interview of the farmer by Hume, > which could have answered a lot of questions. > > >4. "The terrific noise it emitted was an explosion which made it erupt > >several fragments" > > >Hume wanted info on this, asked for and received a written response from an > >authority in Denshal. "In reply to your telegram, we inform you that...no > >stones fell, as was the case in El Nakhla..." > > >"No stones" is not Mohammed's "several fragments". "No stones' is not Mo's > >"small piece." > > Good point. But just because one official didn't see any stones, doesn't mean the >farmer > didn't see the stones fall. The same official also reported that "the > inhabitants of Denshal village heard an explosion resembling a clap of thunder, > accompanied by a small quaking in the atmosphere." That alone should have > induced Hume to visit Denshal for further investigation. But he never went > to Denshal. There was no fieldwork done at all by any qualified personnel in Denshal. > > >5. "Mohammed showed the editor of "Al Ahali" a small piece of the > >fragments" > > >A footnote attache
[meteorite-list] NEMS Thin Sections
Walter wrote: > For those who might not be aware, Russ Kempton has listed about 75 > meteorite thin sections for sale, along with some great photos. Here > is the URL: http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/tsections.htm Hello Listees and Listoids! I absolutely concur with Walter's above remarks concerning Russ's new website. Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't have expected anything of lesser quality. After all, it is not X-Y-Z but N-E-M-S! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thank you,Cmcdon0923!
Isn't it time for your medication? xoxo, MC - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thank you,Cmcdon0923! > This is the stupidist damned argument I have seen in a very long time. > Why fought over something that occured long before any of us were even born! > WE WILL NEVER know one way or the other, Kevin, you make a great case, but > in the end, it is your opinion, based on good facts, but it proves > absolutely nothing. The stupid dog story is almost a century old, and will > be around after we are dead. Leave it alone, people like it and you cant > prove or disprove it. I am sick of this useless endless circle of Nakhla dog > #$%. > Mike Farmer > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:49 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank you,Cmcdon0923! > > > > Dear Cmcdon0923: > > > > You wrote -- "And this was posted to the list for what reason? Was this a > > serious challengewas it meant to be humorous?... > > > > Yes. I'll pay $200 in serious USA currency (small bills if you insist, > none > > of that funny new "Euro" stuff) for the 1911 "Al Ahali" newspaper. Laugh > if > > you like. > > > > You wrote -- "do you have an issue surrounding government employees? > > > > Yes. I deal with Lee County, Florida officials all day on land use and > > zoning issues. They're lazy, arbitrary and stupid. I tell them this and > they > > throw "spitballs" at me. But to the point, Ron administers an influential > USA > > Gov. website that we USA citizens pay for. It is traditional here that our > > government information sites not stray "too-far" from the truth. This site > > knowingly distributes information that is false. As a civic-minded patriot > I > > know that this is wrong. It is my duty to object. > > > > You wrote -- "If you have a personal beef with Ron over the Nakhla story, > > then handle it that way- personally." > > > > Yes. > > > > You wrote -- "Just because Ron can't prove it happened, doesn't mean it > > didn't." > > > > Really? Then everyone accused of a crime goes to jail. > > > > You wrote -- "Just because you can't prove it didn't happen, doesn't mean > it > > did." > > > > Really? Illogical double negatives. What democracy are you from that > forces a > > person "to prove he didn't commit a crime?" Ron's "law" would have you > wait > > in jail until the Valera cow comes home (trust me, that's a l-o-n-g time) > > while he looks for the proof he "knows" exists. Luckily Cmcdon0923, in the > > USA, if there's no proof, it didn't happen and you walk a free meteorite, > er, > > man. Have a beer on me. And take a cigar out of the box for the lady. > > > > I want to thank CMcdon0923 for so wonderfully distilling this discussion. > In > > the primeval past, a "story" claimed that a meteorite hit a dog and killed > > it. So sensational it was, that officials on the scene that refuted it > were > > ignored by the popular forces of ignorance. (What makes these forces > > "popular" anyway? Who wants to hang around people that start their > sentences > > with -- "Duh." Thank God I'm on this list with you good people.) > > > > By effort (a pen, an envelope and a stamp) and serendipity, I easily found > > that NO evidence exists that a dog was struck by a meteorite in Egypt in > > 1911. Any of you would have found the same if you weren't so busy trading > > NWA's. I'm sure if Ron had "discovered" this he would correctly state the > > truth on the website he works for us citizens and at least one more > asteroid > > would be named after him -- "Ron"-- but I don't expect or want any such > honor > > for myself (hold your applause). > > > > And after all, NONE OF THIS IS important if we all get radioactive anthrax > > tomorrow. > > > > But IF WE MANAGE TO EXCAPE certain excruciating death tomorrow, than this > IS > > the seminal meteorite "story." Boys and girls, it didn't happen. Now let's > > all grow up and be good little scientists and admit it didn't happen. > > > > BTW - Thank you each and every one for emailing me your favorite "Nakhla" > dog > > (sic) photo attachments with their heads blown off, I'm touched by your > > sentiments. > > > > Kevin Kichinka > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thin Sections
Hello Everyone, For those who might not be aware, Russ Kempton has listed about 75 meteorite thin sections for sale, along with some great photos. Here is the URL: http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/tsections.htm -Walter ---Walter Branch, Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA 31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] New Richard Norton book
Hullo! I really would like to get an autographed copy of the new O. Richard Norton book when it is released!! Can anyone out there help me? I need the sequel to the Bible!!! very best, listees! -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org "I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n>2. However, it won't fit into my signature file" __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
