[meteorite-list] Tucson, pictures etc.
Hello all, I just came in the door, wow 385 e-mails. Please give me a day or so to reply to those of you e-mailing me directly. I went sort of camera happy in Tucson, I will get a site up for those of you that were not able to go this year, that should be up tomorrow as well. The big seller & great bargain at Michael's auction @ $4750.00 was a 300+ gram Pena Blanca Springs slice, absolutely beautiful! I am going to lay down & die for a while. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
[meteorite-list] 2003 Third Millennium METEORITE Calendar
Good news I am pleased to announce that there will be a Third Millennium Meteorite Calendar, 2003 Edition printed this May, and slated for official release June 21, 2002. Robert Szep, producer of the original year 2000 Third Millennium Meteorite Calendar, and I, are currently in the process of Co-Producing a slicker, smoother, and much nicer annual follow up to the original. We are formally inviting members of the Meteorite List who may be interested in submitting quality meteorite photos, or images, for consideration of inclusion in this calendar, to please feel free to do so. Full credits will be printed with each image used. This will be a 13 month calendar, any images not used this year will be given consideration for the 2004 edition. Entry cut off date will be March 14th. For those of you who prefer to be one of the first to get your hands on a, "fresh off the press" copy, or copies, Order Now!! The Retail Cover Price will be $14.95 US$. OUR PRICING: Order 1 copy directly from us Before April 30th for $8.99; 3 copies = $7.99 each; 10 copies = $6.99 each; 100 copies = $5.50 each; 1000 copies = $4.50 each. Payment must be received by May 10th, 2002 to qualify for the above pricing. After April 30th, the pricing will increase by an amount to be determined at a later date. Shipping is extra. Tax is extra to Canadian customers. More Good News We have room available for 6 Meteorite related entrepreneurs to get aboard The Third Millennium Express... How? By taking advantage of the Sponsorship opportunity! You will have excellent exposure to 1000's of new potential customers by advertising on the back cover of this calendar. Please email me for more details: [EMAIL PROTECTED] By capitalizing on this golden opportunity and playing a role in this calendar's distribution, you are demonstrating to the world that you are not simply a seller of space rocks, but someone who is a meteorite promoter and educator, actively increasing interest and awareness of meteorites. My last word is my personal guarantee as a collector and seller of meteorites, that for whatever reason this project fails to produce quality calendars to our pre-paid investors, your money will be fully refunded. Thank you and best regards, Roman Jirasek - Ontario, Canada www.meteoritelabels.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] HAPPY BIRTHDAY SIKOTE ALIN
Dear List Members: Happy Birthday to Sikote Alin which fell on Feb 12, 1947. A truely awesome iron! Sincerely Greg PS We forgot to wish Allende a Happy Birthday on Feb 8th __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] ebay meteorwrong
OK, it probally would've helped if I put the URL in here wouldn't it? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1702560610 Sorry about that.. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rhett Bourland Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:55 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay meteorwrong Hehehe, now just by the description alone I'm going to guess that this isn't a real meteorite. Then again, it was found in an enchanted forest. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new stuff, new website
Oops, I messed up the URL.See the rare items athttp://www.meteoriteguy.com/indexthanks Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ?
This is true. I myself have many tiny chips and pieces of meteorite but I have an NWA that I got from Dean Bessey that is 285 grams. I am glad that I had the opportunity to obtain a meteorite of its size. It has given me a better idea of what a meteorite would probably look like in an environment where it might be weathered and I have been able to show it to many people in my school, many of whom have shown great interest. Besides, I don't think that the information about the strewnfields is all that important to science, the physics of meteorite falls and the formation of strewnfields is already well known. What needs to be studied is the meteorites themselves and the best way to do this is to have nomads out there searching to make a profit, finding the maximum amount of material. Am I right on this? This is just my opinion. My 2 bits (of NWA meteorite) worth :) Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter >From: "Simon de Boer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ? >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:54:01 -0500 > > Edward and List :I am a junior and amateur collector. I've >been interested in meteorites for as long as I can remember searching > fields , rock piles wondering how I might wish astar to fall on > my property. Having finally accumulated numerous specimens I sent >pieces to Robt Haag who called me on the phone with the >discouraging news that none of what I had a ton of beside my gas >barrel was meteorite. > At that point I did as Robt said and got Richard Nortons book > and educated myself somewhat. I met a few helpful dealers , >collectors, and got to look at the real thing. It was like a >starved soul to be able to purchase pieces of meteorite at such >reasonable prices and study them for myself.No it wasn t the >dollars for me that I could make on them , I was just glad to >buy them for what I could get them If I had to pay what some >have paid to have a few grams of rare individuals I wouldn t have >any today .I have shared pieces with many people who would >otherwise been like me ignorant about what a meteorite looks and >feels like. I can now bring and even give some to farmers and >friends who otherwise would never even see the real thing much less >care, but they marvel when they get to touch what we now take for >granted. > I spend hours looking over and over at all the variety of >specimens I have from NWA and anyone who is interested can >actually come and enjoy them also. I ve been asked if I can show >what I have at the local fall fair I think its an excellent idea to >bring them into schools and let childrens hold a star first hand and >not look at it in a museum for 5 seconds and never experience >them. the beauty of nature ought not be locked up and hoarded by >those who can afford high priced ones alone ..There is lots to >go around I m so thankful the price was in range where I didn t >hesitate to get some rather than just keep looking and hoping >someday to find one . Blessing UNWA for me perhaps someday I >ll get some pieces classified and donate my 20 grams to the >cause also without regret. > I agree that perhaps alot more pairing could have been done >I t could have been picked up more scientifically but it didn t >happen and we won t turn back time to undo what has been done >Make the best of the opportunity , I believe I'm doing that and >there is nothing stopping anyone else either If I don t avail myself >of it someone else will > Simon _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ADD, Rare old falls for sale!
Hello everyone, Tucson is winding down and I am getting a little time to put some great items up for sale. Tonight is a whopper of a sale! First I have Campos sales, a 469 gram individual that has been my collection piece for years. I acquired a new one and must sell this one. It is simply beyone description. Perfect is the word that comes to my mind. it is a complete stone, L5 fall from Brazil. I paid $3000.00, and to list members I will offer it for $2500! See it on my new website.Camel Donga, the Eucrite, new pieces listed. They dont get any better folks!Mocs, We all know Mocs, or should anyway, the old historic fall from Transylvania, Well, It is almost impossible to get, and I got some! These two pieces come to you direct from teh Natural History Museum of Vienna Austria. I have never seen a larger piece for sale in my years of business. These two stones are superb, beautiful, fresh as the day they fell, and from a prominant museum collection, what more could you want? One weighs 184 grams and is Vienna Colletion #H.9931 for list members, it is only $1700.00The other weighs 175 grams and is #H.9925. $1615.00. This is $9.23 gram, On my website price is $12 gram!Next is Talampaya, the Eucrite fall from Argentina. This is a beautiful achondrite, so fresh! Only one stone fell in 1995 and it weighed 1,421 grams! I have some beautiful partslices, some on my website and more listed here, $100 gram but to list members, only $85.00 gram! Pieces with fusion crust,1.13 gramNo crust3.51g1.42g2.36g2.11g.77g1.20g.90gLast but not least by far is Pultusk, another rare historic old European fall! This one is famous for the thousands of tiny stones that fell, called "Pultusk Peas"! Most were small but there were larger pieces. This meteorite is an H5. I got two complete stones from Vienna, A stunning piece of 246 grams, Vienna # A.90i. To list members $2091.00, only $8,.50 gram. 15% less than on my site. The other stone is a whopping 357 grams, the second largest Pultusk that I have EVER seen for sale, and I bought that one too! This piece is Vienna # E.590i $2856.00. Only $8 gram! I also have another piece, a cut fragment of 600 grams that I cut into partslices. It has the old Lable and every piece will get a copy of it! Many pieces available, email me with weights or price range so I can get you a great piece. $10 gram!This is a great chance to add some excuisite old falls to your collection! See them on my updated website at:http://www.meteoriteguy.com
[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ?
Edward and List : I am a junior and amateur collector. I've been interested in meteorites for as long as I can remember searching fields , rock piles wondering how I might wish a star to fall on my property. Having finally accumulated numerous specimens I sent pieces to Robt Haag who called me on the phone with the discouraging news that none of what I had a ton of beside my gas barrel was meteorite. At that point I did as Robt said and got Richard Nortons book and educated myself somewhat. I met a few helpful dealers , collectors, and got to look at the real thing. It was like a starved soul to be able to purchase pieces of meteorite at such reasonable prices and study them for myself. No it wasn t the dollars for me that I could make on them , I was just glad to buy them for what I could get them If I had to pay what some have paid to have a few grams of rare individuals I wouldn t have any today . I have shared pieces with many people who would otherwise been like me ignorant about what a meteorite looks and feels like. I can now bring and even give some to farmers and friends who otherwise would never even see the real thing much less care, but they marvel when they get to touch what we now take for granted. I spend hours looking over and over at all the variety of specimens I have from NWA and anyone who is interested can actually come and enjoy them also. I ve been asked if I can show what I have at the local fall fair I think its an excellent idea to bring them into schools and let childrens hold a star first hand and not look at it in a museum for 5 seconds and never experience them. the beauty of nature ought not be locked up and hoarded by those who can afford high priced ones alone ..There is lots to go around I m so thankful the price was in range where I didn t hesitate to get some rather than just keep looking and hoping someday to find one . Blessing UNWA for me perhaps someday I ll get some pieces classified and donate my 20 grams to the cause also without regret. I agree that perhaps alot more pairing could have been done I t could have been picked up more scientifically but it didn t happen and we won t turn back time to undo what has been done Make the best of the opportunity , I believe I'm doing that and there is nothing stopping anyone else either If I don t avail myself of it someone else will Simon
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so confused.
At 11:14 AM 2/12/02 -0700, Robert & Wendi Beauford wrote: >How could this possibly be an H5? It's gorgeous! >Meteorite Richardton North Dakota Fall 16g >Item # 1072147762 >And I thought I was finally getting a hang of classifications. >This H5 looks like no other H5 or even H4 that I have seen. What am I >missing? >-Robert Beauford : ) > Cole Creek is another "Ordinary chondrite (H5) that is deceiving. It is absolutely loaded with chondrules. John >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northwest Africa Meteorites a blessing, or omen?
Dear Edward, I went round and round for a while on getting a NWA myself due to the same concerns that you have asked.If you would like to have a nice looking meteorite that weights a few pounds and you don't want to spend more than a few hundred dollars then the NWA's have a place. Yes, they are no-name-orphan-step-childrenBUT, I bought a one pounder for $17 at the Michael Blood auction. Makes a very affordable and fun gift for a cousin with a couple dozen young future meteorite hunters to play with...who know's maybe "uncle" Dave may have a whole troop of good eyes and legs hunting meteorites for him.that and in a display case, the NWA's look a whole bunch like a meteorite should to any non meteorite collectorthey look collected. Besides, how you going to teach a man with a dozen wives and 100 camels how to use a GPS before he can sell his "black like the desert night" rocks that can have value, like more camels and wives? Best, Dave F. Edward Hodges wrote: > While at Tucson I noticed a huge number of unclassified NWA's for > sale. Some lots were going for as little as $0.35 a gram. I noticed > many people buying unclassified specimens. To me an unclassified > meteorite is just a rock, basicilly worthless. Of course it is a > meteorite, and it might even be a fairly rare one at that. Still, it > is of no scientific importance yet. Meteorite values are determined by > weight, classification,fusion crust,orientation, and special > circumstances (e.g. one killed a dog, or cow), sometimes the odd shape > may up the value, etc..What does an unclassified meteorite's have > going for it other than fusion crust and weight? So, should I assume > that the starting prices for an UNWA with complete crust is $0.35? > Doesn't buying one of these help science, or hurt it? After all, we > all know that they are haphazardly collected by poor nomads, probably > their only source of income. Still more are collected by greedy > westerners with dollar signs in their eyes. Almost no data is > available on these rocks (e.g. locality, TKW, how many stones were > found, etc.), most pairings are lost, and the strewnfields will never > be studied. This for me defeats the whole purpose of collecting and > studying meteorites. The data tells the story of the rock, which is > the one of the most interesting parts. Am I the only one who thinks > this? Does anyone else agree that by buying UNWA's that you are > contributing to the dumbing down of the science involved, and feeding > the ego's of greedy Westerners who are only interested in your dollar? > I can already hear the responses this email will get. Just remember > that is is better to appear a fool, than open one's mouth and remove > all doubt. This is a serious topic that will eventually affect the > whole science, and market of meteorites. If you want to slam what I > have to say, that is your right. Just as it is you right to act civil, > and stop to think for a moment.- Edward R. Hodges > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Northwest Africa Meteorites a blessing, or omen?
While at Tucson I noticed a huge number of unclassified NWA's for sale. Some lots were going for as little as $0.35 a gram. I noticed many people buying unclassified specimens. To me an unclassified meteorite is just a rock, basicilly worthless. Of course it is a meteorite, and it might even be a fairly rare one at that. Still, it is of no scientific importance yet. Meteorite values are determined by weight, classification,fusion crust,orientation, and special circumstances (e.g. one killed a dog, or cow), sometimes the odd shape may up the value, etc..What does an unclassified meteorite's have going for it other than fusion crust and weight? So, should I assume that the starting prices for an UNWA with complete crust is $0.35? Doesn't buying one of these help science, or hurt it? After all, we all know that they are haphazardly collected by poor nomads, probably their only source of income. Still more are collected by greedy westerners with dollar signs in their eyes. Almost no data is available on these rocks (e.g. locality, TKW, how many stones were found, etc.), most pairings are lost, and the strewnfields will never be studied. This for me defeats the whole purpose of collecting and studying meteorites. The data tells the story of the rock, which is the one of the most interesting parts. Am I the only one who thinks this? Does anyone else agree that by buying UNWA's that you are contributing to the dumbing down of the science involved, and feeding the ego's of greedy Westerners who are only interested in your dollar? I can already hear the responses this email will get. Just remember that is is better to appear a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. This is a serious topic that will eventually affect the whole science, and market of meteorites. If you want to slam what I have to say, that is your right. Just as it is you right to act civil, and stop to think for a moment.- Edward R. Hodges _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Mike Martinez' Hat
Hey Bernd, The way I look at it, you give me information on some of my most obscure questions on meteorites so I'm more than happy to host anything you ask of me. Actually, if anyone else has anything like this that can be of use (humorous or informational) to the list email me and chances are I'll be happy to put it up on my website. Send me a picture and it shall go on my site, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:11 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Martinez' Hat Kevin, Chief Barking Nakhla Dog, informed our List: > Mike Martinez' ...main "contribution" was wearing a hard hat > inscribed "Meteorite Recovery Team" that featured adjacent > racks for liquor bottles and flexible straws for easy drinking. This "contribution" is an absolute "must see" :-)) I have a photo of that "gadget" (Twink shot it) and if Mike agrees, someone (perhaps Rhett?) might put it on his website for everyone to enjoy! Bernd P.S.: Little Correction: It's "Meteorite Dealer", not "Meteorite Recovery Team" on his hard hat. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay meteorwrong
Hehehe, now just by the description alone I'm going to guess that this isn't a real meteorite. Then again, it was found in an enchanted forest. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Massachusetts sonic boom / bolide
Hi Bob, > The PA Bolide fell in the most rugged and most densely > forested area of the East Coast. Yes, I should have pointed out that distinction. Certainly the region within 400 miles of western Massachusetts is far more promising than the assumed fall area for the PA bolide. > I wouldn't discourage anyone from making an effort to track > down and interview any eyewitnesses in that area. Agreed. However, I'm discouraged by the fact that so far no one reliable has come forward to say that they both saw something AND heard something, despite the media coverage. With the much more unobstructed views afforded by the Massachusetts and eastern New York countryside, I am surprised by the sparseness of the reports. There is also (so far) no corroborating satellite data, and no detailed directional eyewitness information to narrow the search area. Despite this, there is some remote legwork that can be done. First step is to collate all the "earwitnesses", and plot their locations on a map to see if a direction of motion can be inferred. Preliminary information suggests the direction of travel was similar to that of the PA bolide -- i.e. roughly east to west, so I would consider the westernmost sonic boom reports to be the logical initial focus. Hopefully there were enough sonic witnesses to plot a decent least-squares fit to the flight azimuth. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Massachusetts sonic boom / bolide
The PA Bolide fell in the most rugged and most densely forested area of the East Coast. Because this was widely reported in the media, it is no wonder that there was no "recovery effort" attempted. The terrain in Western Mass. isn't that hopeless. I wouldn't discourage anyone from making an effort to track down and interview any eyewitnesses in that area. What was "pitiful" about the PA Bolide was the lack of timely follow-up of interviewing eyewitnesses by local field investigators. By the time I got to Central PA (which was delayed an additional month because my initial flight to PGH was on Sept. 11th!), the trail was cold. But even then, I had no trouble finding many eyewitnesses who heard the sonic boom. But only two of these people had been interviewed by a qualified field investigator. My time there was very limited. But even in that short period of time, I was able to place some constraints on Peter Brown's preliminary satellite data, which would have narrowed the possible fall area. Had this been done earlier, while there was some time before the onset of winter weather, it may have produced some confidence at success and the locals may have attempted to organize a recovery effort. My point is - if you're going to have any chance at recovery, you have to jump on these events, hit the ground running, with confidence, and with a positive attitude that they CAN be successful. Bob V. --- "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Most of this info was forwarded to Met Central > almost as soon as > it happened. Admitedly the story is more > interesting and pertinent > than anything that is likely to come from Mohamed in > the near > future, but last I checked there were ZERO useful > observational > reports that could be used to track down a probable > fall area. > Given the pitiful recovery outcome for last year's > Pennsylvania > bolide -- despite widespread observations including > satellite > observation -- recovery efforts of anything that > might have > survived this western Massachusetts fall look bleak > at best. > > --Rob > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
FWIW.I also received this email, and one thing I noticed was that the FROM: field contained an underscore (_) in front of the sender's name. If I remember when this virus originally came out, that was one of the identifying markers of it. Craig __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: (meteorobs) east coast sonic boom
Hi All; I have made numerous inquiries, and have yet to find ANYONE who has witnessed a fireball, let alone be able to triangulate a fall. Seems everyone heard something, and no-one saw anything. Will keep on searching.best to all; jake jake Delgaudio The Nature source In a message dated 2/12/2002 5:17:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sorry to interrupt the "Mohammed Meteor-wrong List", but while you guys are fiddle-faddling with your magnetite and email virus threads, there are some actual meteorites falling on the ground: Forward Messages -- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:34:03 -0500 From: "Greg Redfern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: (meteorobs) east coast sonic boom Peter, Wow! I bet Dr. Nininger would be on the case if he were around! If we are all lucky someone else will try and discover the remnants (if any). But one would think that something large enough to cause sonic booms (or detonations in all probability) would reach the ground. If there are residents in the area in might be worth running some ads/news pieces educating the public to be on the look out for "strange looking rocks". I just wish that something like this would hit my way. Thanks for the reply Peter. Greg - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of peter scherff Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (meteorobs) east coast sonic boom Hi Greg, I was at the Arunah Hill Natural Science Center in Cummington, MA when I heard the sonic booms. At the time I didn't know what caused them. Since there was a plane visible in the sky at the time I assumed that it had broken the sound barrier. However when I went to work this morning I saw that the front page of the Springfield Republican had a story about a fireball being sighted. The quotes in the paper are the typical "it landed in the woods over there" type (see link - http://www.masslive.com/springfield/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/ae210sk y.html ). There was also similar coverage in the Berkshire Eagle. Many people in the area that I have talked to heard or felt the sonic booms but I can't find any one saw the fireball. Thanks, Peter Scherff - -- From: Lew Gramer[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:00 PM To: Meteor Observing Mailing List Subject: Fwd: FIREBALL[?], Boston MA USA - 02/09/02 at 2:14 pm EST I have already forwarded requests for additional information to our local astronomy club email lists, and asked Brooks to submit an online report of his sighting. So far, I have no other confirmation as to what this was. If anyone else has any information on this possible daytime fireball, please drop us a line at NAMN, via '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Clear skies! Lew Gramer - NAMN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston MA USA - --- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:47:40 -0500 Subject: FIREBALL, Boston - 02/09/02 at 2:14 pm EST From: Brooks Garner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Has anyone heard news about the fireball that fell into the sky in Boston on the 9th of Feb at 2:14 pm? It looked too big to be just a space rock. I wonder if it was space junk or something related falling into the atmosphere. I was walking home from the market when I noticed a flash directly overhead, then saw an incredible -26 magnitude fireball slash across the afternoon sky to the horizon. It had a two inch long tail (at arms' length) that emitted sparks and barely visible smoke that seemed to evaporate as quickly as it formed. This occured at 2:14pm, 02/09/02 and appeared to be heading either west, or south of west. You can view an artistic rendering I created at http://brooksgarner.com/fireball.jpg The whole event seemed to last about 2 seconds. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks! Brooks Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- End of Forwarded Message -- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:04:07 -0500 From: Lew Gramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: (meteorobs) Fwd: AP article: New England USA daytime fireball[?] 09 Feb 2002 It now seems clear this was a significant atmospheric event... The only question that remains is whether it might have been an artificial object reentry, or whether it might instead be of celestial origin? Please forward any further reports to NAMN at "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Clear skies! Lew Gramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston MA USA - --- Forwarded Message #1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:52:00 -0500 From: Eric Pauer <...> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Globe Article - Daylight fireball Here's the article on-line: Area residents report hearing sonic boom, seeing fireball By Associated Press, 2/10/2002 13:32 http://www.boston.com/dailynews/041/reg
[meteorite-list] Massachusetts sonic boom / bolide
Hi Bob, Most of this info was forwarded to Met Central almost as soon as it happened. Admitedly the story is more interesting and pertinent than anything that is likely to come from Mohamed in the near future, but last I checked there were ZERO useful observational reports that could be used to track down a probable fall area. Given the pitiful recovery outcome for last year's Pennsylvania bolide -- despite widespread observations including satellite observation -- recovery efforts of anything that might have survived this western Massachusetts fall look bleak at best. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: (meteorobs) east coast sonic boom
Sorry to interrupt the "Mohammed Meteor-wrong List", but while you guys are fiddle-faddling with your magnetite and email virus threads, there are some actual meteorites falling on the ground: Forward Messages -- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:34:03 -0500 From: "Greg Redfern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: (meteorobs) east coast sonic boom Peter, Wow! I bet Dr. Nininger would be on the case if he were around! If we are all lucky someone else will try and discover the remnants (if any). But one would think that something large enough to cause sonic booms (or detonations in all probability) would reach the ground. If there are residents in the area in might be worth running some ads/news pieces educating the public to be on the look out for "strange looking rocks". I just wish that something like this would hit my way. Thanks for the reply Peter. Greg - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of peter scherff Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (meteorobs) east coast sonic boom Hi Greg, I was at the Arunah Hill Natural Science Center in Cummington, MA when I heard the sonic booms. At the time I didn't know what caused them. Since there was a plane visible in the sky at the time I assumed that it had broken the sound barrier. However when I went to work this morning I saw that the front page of the Springfield Republican had a story about a fireball being sighted. The quotes in the paper are the typical "it landed in the woods over there" type (see link - http://www.masslive.com/springfield/unionnews/index.ssf?/news/pstories/ae210sky.html ). There was also similar coverage in the Berkshire Eagle. Many people in the area that I have talked to heard or felt the sonic booms but I can't find any one saw the fireball. Thanks, Peter Scherff - -- From: Lew Gramer[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:00 PM To: Meteor Observing Mailing List Subject: Fwd: FIREBALL[?], Boston MA USA - 02/09/02 at 2:14 pm EST I have already forwarded requests for additional information to our local astronomy club email lists, and asked Brooks to submit an online report of his sighting. So far, I have no other confirmation as to what this was. If anyone else has any information on this possible daytime fireball, please drop us a line at NAMN, via '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Clear skies! Lew Gramer - NAMN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston MA USA - --- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:47:40 -0500 Subject: FIREBALL, Boston - 02/09/02 at 2:14 pm EST From: Brooks Garner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Has anyone heard news about the fireball that fell into the sky in Boston on the 9th of Feb at 2:14 pm? It looked too big to be just a space rock. I wonder if it was space junk or something related falling into the atmosphere. I was walking home from the market when I noticed a flash directly overhead, then saw an incredible -26 magnitude fireball slash across the afternoon sky to the horizon. It had a two inch long tail (at arms' length) that emitted sparks and barely visible smoke that seemed to evaporate as quickly as it formed. This occured at 2:14pm, 02/09/02 and appeared to be heading either west, or south of west. You can view an artistic rendering I created at http://brooksgarner.com/fireball.jpg The whole event seemed to last about 2 seconds. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks! Brooks Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- End of Forwarded Message -- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:04:07 -0500 From: Lew Gramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: (meteorobs) Fwd: AP article: New England USA daytime fireball[?] 09 Feb 2002 It now seems clear this was a significant atmospheric event... The only question that remains is whether it might have been an artificial object reentry, or whether it might instead be of celestial origin? Please forward any further reports to NAMN at "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Clear skies! Lew Gramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston MA USA - --- Forwarded Message #1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:52:00 -0500 From: Eric Pauer <...> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Globe Article - Daylight fireball Here's the article on-line: Area residents report hearing sonic boom, seeing fireball By Associated Press, 2/10/2002 13:32 http://www.boston.com/dailynews/041/region/Area_residents_report_hearing_:.shtml Regards, -- Eric Pauer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.bit-net.com/~pauer Gene McAuliffe wrote: > Lew, >See this morning's Boston Globe, p. B2. - --- Forwarded Message #2 From: Christopher Nicholl <...> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:44:21 -0500 Subject: RE: (NSAAC) Daylight fireball?? [Boston MA USA, 14:14pm EST 09 Feb] Have you seen this thread on SAA? http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=X7P98.49%24w67.1096%40bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net&prev=/groups%3Foi%3Dd
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
I got an E-mail in reply to one of my postings that had no text and had an attachment that said something .MP3.pif and there was a text attachment as well. When I scanned the .mp3.pif attachment for viruses it said that it did contain one so I didn't open it. I also replied to it and the message came back. Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter >From: Bob Martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:43:52 -0500 > >All, > >In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. > >The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" >in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject >line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but >carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, >the message bounced. > >I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar >message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was >not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I >replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a >response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. > >I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so >I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from >fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days >is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I >suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer >when opened? > >Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have >a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some >reason. > >Any ideas? > > > >Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? >http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ >"I look up to the heavens > but night has clouded over > no spark of constellation > no Vela no Orion." -Enya > > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2002
Some of you know that I was not able to go to Tucson this year (only Oscar is there), but anyway I have good information about Darryl'd auction. Last year I mentioned to Bob Keller about the Meteorite auction and he did a great report. This year Bob did it again!. The page is still under construction but you can see all the final prices there and lots of photos! Here is a link to the meteorite auction report page http://www.tucsonshow.com/reports/tucson2002/p6.shtml Eduardo > > > >Darryl's auction had notable successes and failures. Sienna (4.74gms.) > >brought $2,016 (inc. 12.5% buyer's premium). Allende (160.8 gms, 50% crust) > >brought $619. Williamette (9.55gm - no tribal protest on site, though a train > >went by during it's auction) - $3375. No sale on 6.84 gm. D'Orbigny @ > >$230/gm, or Steinbach (93 gms.) @ $60. Chassigny (0.034gms) went out @ > >$24,800/gm. Perhaps someone will post a complete list > > > >Please remember that items at auctions can be pallasites that aren't > >translucent, huge specimens that will bring far less per gram than little > >ones, and many other variables that affect the price. The price that a > >specimen brings at auction is only the price of that particular item, not > >necessarily every one of its type. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
The virus that has been running around a lot lately is the BadTrans virus. It is a nasty piece of work, and has the bad habit of embedding itself in your backup files, so that when you restore, you reinstall the virus! Software to remove it can be found at: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/tools.list.html You CAN catch it from .pif files and .pif files disguised as .wav files, so be doubly cautious about opening these attachments. I highly suggest an updated and competent virus checker program. Either a List member has it and is unknowingly passing it on, or someone is spamming the List with it; I also received a piece of email from a bad address with the BadTrans virus. Thank heaven for PINEmail! Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] New Finds
Rock 1 looks like a granite or granitic gneiss. The pink/orange stuff would be alkali feldspar and the dark material would be amphibole or pyroxene (difficult to tell from the photos) and magnetite. Rock 2 is impossible to tell, partly because the photos are fuzzy. I've seen terrestrial anorthosites with that greenish gray color, which comes from alteration minerals. Rock 3 is a basalt, with original gas bubbles filled with other minerals, probably calcite or dolomite (white), siderite (brown), and chlorite (dark greenish). Yours. Allan Allan H. Treiman Lunar and Planetary Institute 3600 Bay Area Boulevard Houston TX 77058-1113 281-486-2117 281-486-2162 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: DiamondMeteor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] New Finds If you like please check out my nice new finds of (non)meteo(rite/wrong) or whatever-they-are: this looks like basalt but it is more than 50% pure metal: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/nkl.htm this is a unique combination in one rock between three previous rocks: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/comb.htm new chondrites: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/chnd3.htm Best Regards Mohamed -- http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html === "As vision grows expression becomes difficult.", AnNiffari __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CR2 SALE AD/ JAKE
Hello all; I have "one very NICE specimen" of NWA801 to offer here. It is a half-stone and can be viewed at http://www.nature-source.com/nwa801.htm SPECIAL price for list members: 11.2 Gram; $280.00 (plus shipping, insurance, delivery confirmation) that is only $25.00 per gramand this is an AWESOME specimen...hand picked, and among the best I have seen! First one back to me gets it...email, fax, or call! Best to all; Jake Jake Delgaudio The Nature Source Meteorites and Fossils Queensbury, NEW YORK 12804 website: www.nature-source.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(518) 761-6702 Fax; (518) 798-9107 Proud member of: The Meteoritical Society and The Paleontological Suppliers of America IMCA#4262 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Finds
Greetings Mohamed, > If you like please check out my nice new finds of > (non)meteo(rite/wrong) or whatever-they-are: They are all terrestrial rocks. > this looks like basalt but it is more than 50% pure metal: > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/nkl.htm That's not clear from the images. That orange part is certainly not elemental metal, nor is the black part. That covers more than 90% of the rock. > new chondrites: > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/chnd3.htm I previously informed you (off-list) that those circular cavities are gas holes, some later filled with either silicious or calcareous material. You're certainly welcome to ask the list for a second opinion. Others here with more geology or mineralogy experience could perhaps give you a more reliable assessment of the dark host rock and its lighter-colored, calcite-like inclusions. But one thing is absolutely certain -- it's not a meteorite. Keep trying. Again, I urge you to concentrate on smaller specimens. Your odds of finding a meteorite improve dramatically if you stick to rocks weighing less than a kilogram, and better still if they way less than a pound. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm so confused.
How could this possibly be an H5? It's gorgeous! Meteorite Richardton North Dakota Fall 16g Item # 1072147762 And I thought I was finally getting a hang of classifications. This H5 looks like no other H5 or even H4 that I have seen. What am I missing? -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mike Martinez' Hat
Kevin, Chief Barking Nakhla Dog, informed our List: > Mike Martinez' ...main "contribution" was wearing a hard hat > inscribed "Meteorite Recovery Team" that featured adjacent > racks for liquor bottles and flexible straws for easy drinking. This "contribution" is an absolute "must see" :-)) I have a photo of that "gadget" (Twink shot it) and if Mike agrees, someone (perhaps Rhett?) might put it on his website for everyone to enjoy! Bernd P.S.: Little Correction: It's "Meteorite Dealer", not "Meteorite Recovery Team" on his hard hat. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Finds
If you like please check out my nice new finds of (non)meteo(rite/wrong) or whatever-they-are: this looks like basalt but it is more than 50% pure metal: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/nkl.htm this is a unique combination in one rock between three previous rocks: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/comb.htm new chondrites: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/chnd3.htm Best Regards Mohamed -- http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html === "As vision grows expression becomes difficult.", AnNiffari __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More on CAIs
"S.Singletary" wrote: > Have a look at: > Hsu, W., et al., 2000, High Time resolution by use of the 26Al chronometer > in the multistage formation of a CAI (Earth and Planetary Science Letters, > 182, p.15-29). > They are indeed complicated little beasties. I agree re: those "little beasties" :-) Krot et al. describe accretionary rims around several CAIs in the Allende CV3 chondrite. The accretionary rims in Allende are multi- layered and these layers differ from one another in - texture, - mineralogy and - mineral chemistry. The different layers (innermost to outermost) consist of: 1) Either pyroxene needles + olivine + clumps of hedenbergite and andradite (IA) or 2) Olivine "doughnuts" (IB) (i.e., crystals with central cavities). 3) II and III contain olivine plates and laths. 4) The final layer (IV) separating accretionary rims from the Allende matrix occurs as clumps of andradite + hedenbergite surrounded by salitic pyroxene needles. => Nepheline and Fe,Ni-sulfides are common constituents in all layers. Reference: KROT A.N. et al. (2001) Forsterite-rich accretionary rims around calcium-aluminum-rich inclusions from the reduced CV3 chondrite Efremovka (MAPS 36-5, 2001, pp. 611-628). Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More on CAIs
"S.Singletary" wrote: > They are indeed complicated little beasties. CAIs are characteristically enriched in refractory elements and cannot only be found in carbonaceous chondrites but also in primitive ordinary, enstatite, and K chondrites. Their isotopic anomalies originated in nucleosynthesis processes in stars, novae, and supernovae. Petrological classification of CAIs: Type A, type B, and type C => petrological diversity reflects difference in formation temperature (melted or not) Chemical classification of CAIs: Groups IV => chemical diversity reflects the condensation and/or evaporation history. The two classifications are independent which suggests the high temperature event responsible for texture might differ from that which caused evaporation/condensation. Two types of rims of CAIs: - fine-grained rims: a mixture of several mineral species - WarkLovering rims: series of mineral layers, suggesting different formation process(es). WarkLovering rims have average thickness of 50 µm, where spinel with perovskite inclusions, melilite or its alteration pro- ducts (anorthite, nepheline, sodalite, grossular and phyllo- silicates), and diopsidic pyroxene successively cover the inclusions. Reference: NAGAHARA H. (2001) Flash heating of CAI-rich inclusions (MAPS 36-8, 2001, p. 1011, From the Editors). Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
I got one about 2 days ago and just deleted it. So it appears to be list wide. Mine was something.doc.scr though... Regards and beware, Tom Randall >I got the same thing last night. I had to delete cuz I know the real Ivan >wouldn't do it to us. The attachment says Doc.doc.pif and there is nothing >written in the text box > >Tom > > > >> All, >> >> In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. >> >> The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" >> in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject >> line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but >> carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, >> the message bounced. >> >> I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar >> message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was >> not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I >> replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a >> response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. >> >> I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so >> I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from >> fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days >> is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I >> suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer >> when opened? >> >> Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have >> a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some >> reason. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? >> http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ >> "I look up to the heavens >> but night has clouded over >> no spark of constellation >> no Vela no Orion." -Enya >> >> >> >> __ >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Willamette Meteorite Fragments Sold
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/science/101351855725853138.xml Willamette Meteorite fragments sold RICHARD L. HILL The Oregonian February 12, 2002 Two fragments of the famous Willamette Meteorite drew "spirited" bidding at an auction in Tucson, Ariz., during the weekend, says the dealer who sold them. Darryl Pitt, curator of the Macovich Collection of Meteorites in New York City, said the smaller rectangular piece -- about a half-inch long and weighing one-third ounce -- sold for $3,300 on Sunday. The larger 6-inch-long, 3.4-ounce specimen sold for $11,000. He declined to say who bought the items but said about three dozen people made bids. "It was very spirited and competitive bidding," Pitt said. The smaller fragment sold for about 3 1/2 times more than what Pitt had estimated it would bring, while the larger piece went for about the anticipated price. Pitt obtained the larger piece in a meteorite exchange with the American Museum of Natural History in New York about four years ago and the smaller specimen from the Museum of Natural History in London two months ago. The auction drew criticism from officials of the Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde, who say the meteorite -- called "Tomanowos" by the Clackamas people -- is sacred to them. They said the tribe was "saddened" by the sale of the "spiritually significant" fragments. Found 100 years ago in West Linn, the 15 1/2-ton Willamette Meteorite is the world's sixth-largest meteorite and the largest ever discovered in the United States. Oregon Iron and Steel sold the meteorite to Mrs. William E. Dodge II of New York, who donated it to the American Museum of Natural History in 1906. Since then, small portions of it have been taken off and swapped for specimens from individuals and other museums. The University of Oregon's Museum of Natural History in Eugene has at least one piece of the meteorite, which is not on display. Dick Pugh, a meteorite expert in Portland, attended the Tucson auction and placed an unsuccessful bid on the smaller fragment. The retired science teacher said he "has pieces of Oregon's other three meteorites, but I don't have a piece of the Willamette, and I'd like to have one." Pugh, who has conducted detailed research about the meteorite, thinks the iron-and-nickel rock did not plummet from the sky onto Oregon turf but came via water. He said evidence suggests the meteorite arrived aboard an iceberg that was swept down the Columbia River from Montana during the massive Missoula Floods about 15,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age. Other so-called "erratics" -- rock material not native to the area -- that the floods carried were found within three feet of the meteorite, Pugh said. "The meteorite also was upside down when it was found. If it had been coming through the air, the heavy side would have been on the ground." Pitt has three other pieces of the Oregon meteorite, including a 28-pound end section that was sawed off about five years ago to allow the huge rock to be displayed on a pedestal in the museum's new Rose Center of Earth and Space. Pugh said several dealers tried to swap for the large piece that Pitt succeeded in obtaining. Pitt said he respects the Grand Ronde's beliefs but was unsuccessful in reaching an amicable agreement with the tribe. Two years ago, the Grand Ronde requested that the American Museum of Natural History turn the huge meteorite over to the tribe, arguing that it was a sacred object covered under the 1990 Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. The museum countered in federal court that the meteorite was "a natural feature of the landscape rather than a ceremonial object." The dispute was settled with the museum's keeping the meteorite and allowing the tribe access to the space rock for cultural and religious ceremonies. You can reach Richard L. Hill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 503-221-8238. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2002
Dear Listees; I was in awe at the birthday party. Art is YOUNG. Kevin K. is young and has one heck of a story that has no bark. Robert Haag does not age, and neither does Anne Black. Next year we all should dress cowboy for the party. Dean Bessey has donated $30 that will go to the IMCA web site. Michael Blood auctioned the 1/2 pound-ish piece of Mr. Nininninger's crapper for free and I donated the swell specimen. Mr. Bessey will have a bit more for those interested in aquiring their specimen of this unique OLD meteorite museum collectable. The new Barringer crater museum is wonderful...only there is a large toxic feeling about Mr. Nininninger in the musseum staff and the local community. It is 15 degrees in Wyoming at the present time. Best Wishes, Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I've just returned from six days in Tucson and will file this report for >those that weren't able to make it. I'll include some peripheral info. > >Because I was hand-carrying a suitcase full of meteorites, I received special >attention at the FtMyers (Fla.), Chicago and Tucson airports both coming and >going. I was selected randomly again at the boarding gate in Chicago for a >second inspection. In Tucson both X-Ray machines kept malfunctioning and we >also had to remove our shoes for a sniff test. If they were looking for >"smelly" I'm a winner. > >Weather was good 40*- 70*F. Very windy at times. > >Attendance by dealers looked to be down 10%. Attendance over all down 25%. Of >course the show is the "Rock and Gem" show. I believe that more meteorite >"people" were there than ever. > >If you want unclassified NWA's you came to the right place. All sizes and >grades from 100% crusted to apparent pieces of "mud." There were abundant >classified NWA's, too. Surprising to me, some types like eucrites and >howardites had relatively high "ask" prices. My friend Bruno wants $15K for >his low TKW nakhlite and its Mars' mantle water alteration. Some dealers >inventory was >50% NWA. > >Dean Bessey, Marvin Kilgore, Jim Labenne and Mike Farmer tell me that the >NWA's "strewnfield" is about "fished out." Where the Bedouins were visiting >"collecting families" with rocks piled to the ceilings of their tents (?) >only shoebox size amounts are now available. If you want 'em, buy 'em now. >The strewfield of opportunity will be moving elsewhere. > >Sculpted Gibeons and large or small Canyon Diablos are slim pickins' and >prices are higher. "Trophy" Campos are not to be found. "Named" meteorites >were far less abundant then the last 5 years. Prices for these are now >firming and I suspect (my opinion folks) that barring the end-of-the-world, >the meteorite market has bottomed. > >Darryl's auction had notable successes and failures. Sienna (4.74gms.) >brought $2,016 (inc. 12.5% buyer's premium). Allende (160.8 gms, 50% crust) >brought $619. Williamette (9.55gm - no tribal protest on site, though a train >went by during it's auction) - $3375. No sale on 6.84 gm. D'Orbigny @ >$230/gm, or Steinbach (93 gms.) @ $60. Chassigny (0.034gms) went out @ >$24,800/gm. Perhaps someone will post a complete list > >Please remember that items at auctions can be pallasites that aren't >translucent, huge specimens that will bring far less per gram than little >ones, and many other variables that affect the price. The price that a >specimen brings at auction is only the price of that particular item, not >necessarily every one of its type. > >Reports that people are digging through the boxes of NWA "mud" and finding >urelites and CR's are somewhat exaggerated. Some un-named individuals were >seen slicing anonymous NWA's in half declaring "it's either a urelite or >weathered granite." > >The Birthday Boy's Steve and Geoff will have a tough time topping this year's >party. A large room was rented for the 75 attendees at La Fuente Mexican >restaurant complete with mariachi band playing rock. (Si, te amo "rock") To >top off the festivities the "First Annual Harvey Awards", (like in Nininger) >an NWA on a Lucite pedestal were awarded to: >- Mike Martinez for "contributing to bringing respect to the meteorite >community." Of course, his main "contribution" was wearing a hard hat >inscribed "Meteorite Recovery Team" that featured adjacent racks for liquor >bottles and flexible straws for easy drinking. >- Blaine Reed received "Congeniality" award for allowing every met dealer in >Tucson to make deals "commission free" in HIS room. >- Bob Haag "Lifetime Contribution" Award for the obvious. Bob being Bob, he >deferred his speech time to the celebrants Steve and Geoff. >- Dean Bessey accepted an award for the Canadian Government for their actions >in allowing Tagish Lake to sink to the bottom of a lake. > >We also met Art, our list administrator. We're in excellent hands. > >And thank-you-very-much but everyone can now stop barking every time they see >me. > >Kevin Kichinka > > >_
[meteorite-list] Tucson 2002
I've just returned from six days in Tucson and will file this report for those that weren't able to make it. I'll include some peripheral info. Because I was hand-carrying a suitcase full of meteorites, I received special attention at the FtMyers (Fla.), Chicago and Tucson airports both coming and going. I was selected randomly again at the boarding gate in Chicago for a second inspection. In Tucson both X-Ray machines kept malfunctioning and we also had to remove our shoes for a sniff test. If they were looking for "smelly" I'm a winner. Weather was good 40*- 70*F. Very windy at times. Attendance by dealers looked to be down 10%. Attendance over all down 25%. Of course the show is the "Rock and Gem" show. I believe that more meteorite "people" were there than ever. If you want unclassified NWA's you came to the right place. All sizes and grades from 100% crusted to apparent pieces of "mud." There were abundant classified NWA's, too. Surprising to me, some types like eucrites and howardites had relatively high "ask" prices. My friend Bruno wants $15K for his low TKW nakhlite and its Mars' mantle water alteration. Some dealers inventory was >50% NWA. Dean Bessey, Marvin Kilgore, Jim Labenne and Mike Farmer tell me that the NWA's "strewnfield" is about "fished out." Where the Bedouins were visiting "collecting families" with rocks piled to the ceilings of their tents (?) only shoebox size amounts are now available. If you want 'em, buy 'em now. The strewfield of opportunity will be moving elsewhere. Sculpted Gibeons and large or small Canyon Diablos are slim pickins' and prices are higher. "Trophy" Campos are not to be found. "Named" meteorites were far less abundant then the last 5 years. Prices for these are now firming and I suspect (my opinion folks) that barring the end-of-the-world, the meteorite market has bottomed. Darryl's auction had notable successes and failures. Sienna (4.74gms.) brought $2,016 (inc. 12.5% buyer's premium). Allende (160.8 gms, 50% crust) brought $619. Williamette (9.55gm - no tribal protest on site, though a train went by during it's auction) - $3375. No sale on 6.84 gm. D'Orbigny @ $230/gm, or Steinbach (93 gms.) @ $60. Chassigny (0.034gms) went out @ $24,800/gm. Perhaps someone will post a complete list Please remember that items at auctions can be pallasites that aren't translucent, huge specimens that will bring far less per gram than little ones, and many other variables that affect the price. The price that a specimen brings at auction is only the price of that particular item, not necessarily every one of its type. Reports that people are digging through the boxes of NWA "mud" and finding urelites and CR's are somewhat exaggerated. Some un-named individuals were seen slicing anonymous NWA's in half declaring "it's either a urelite or weathered granite." The Birthday Boy's Steve and Geoff will have a tough time topping this year's party. A large room was rented for the 75 attendees at La Fuente Mexican restaurant complete with mariachi band playing rock. (Si, te amo "rock") To top off the festivities the "First Annual Harvey Awards", (like in Nininger) an NWA on a Lucite pedestal were awarded to: - Mike Martinez for "contributing to bringing respect to the meteorite community." Of course, his main "contribution" was wearing a hard hat inscribed "Meteorite Recovery Team" that featured adjacent racks for liquor bottles and flexible straws for easy drinking. - Blaine Reed received "Congeniality" award for allowing every met dealer in Tucson to make deals "commission free" in HIS room. - Bob Haag "Lifetime Contribution" Award for the obvious. Bob being Bob, he deferred his speech time to the celebrants Steve and Geoff. - Dean Bessey accepted an award for the Canadian Government for their actions in allowing Tagish Lake to sink to the bottom of a lake. We also met Art, our list administrator. We're in excellent hands. And thank-you-very-much but everyone can now stop barking every time they see me. Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Pelisson,s. METEORITE GODS
As many of you know I have sold artifacts for longer than I have sold meteorites. One of the ploys that some slimy artifact dealers do is to tell anybody who brings them something for them to authtenticate is to tell them that it is a fake. That way they think that the potential nieve customer will feel that he is a very knowledgable dealer and in the future only buy stuff from him. I once had a dealer do that to me with an egyptian artifact with prominance from a famous collection that was shown to several experts including one of the worlds leading experts of artifats with the British Museum. Meteorite dealers might try this also. I had a customer who bought a common chondrite from morocco from me once who contacted another dealer who said that he would classify it for him (Since my understanding is that Marvin Kilgore is the only dealer who can classify meteorites you know that they story is fishy already because it wasnt kilgore who did this) and then told him that it was not a meteorite. What does this have to do with the Pelissons? Absolutely nothing. However it is an example of slimy tactics that certain dealers use when they try to undermine some aspect of a business that they dont like (Such as competation for instance). Here is a letter written by the Pelissons to some collector asking if they could authtenticate a desert meteorite. I make no comments here (Dont want Art mad at me) but the slime speaks for itself. The Pellisons are of course technically right in what they say here. Its just that one would think from reading the Pelisson letter that desert meteorites are nothing short of a scam that wouldent be touched by serious dealers or researshers. The Pellisons are distorting facts to put down a part of the sahara meteorite business that they dont like. It should be noted that this letter was not written to a customer of mine and was given to me by another dealer. This is a sad reflection of an hobby when certain people in it like the Pellisons continues to act like this and to continue stating that their way of doing things is the only correct way that the world should work. The meteorite hobby will never become mainstream until this stupid infighting in the interest of short term profits ends. While the letter is technically correct it is very misleading about the status of desert meteorites. There is no effort to tell this new collector of meteorites that desert finds have a special status in the meteorite world. Thats why the meteoritical society recogonizes meteorites using a NWA or Sahara name. Below is the letter that the pellisons wrote to a potential new collector looking to maximize the amount of meteoritic material that he wants to buy with limited funds. Just look at the time spent into creating this letter and the ffort to totally confuse a new collector. With sad reflections DEAN ___ Sahara 99937 is the stone number 937 found in the year 1999, it's a temporary identification number which was used by the Labenne family. It will never be recognized as a new meteorite, excepted if you find a laboratory to classify your sample. But laboratories need a type specimen archived for future studies and a thin section for microprobe measures (200 points). Each year in July, the Meteoritical Society publishes a supplement to METEORITICS AND PLANETARY SCIENCE in which are recorded all the new meteorites of the previous year. This document is really the bible for any serious meteoricist. The info given there present the most reliable source for the entire community. Here is the list of the official meteorites named "Sahara x" in the last publication of the Meteoritical Bulletin. Only 17 have been recorded last year and all are meteorites with unknown location. See page 23: http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/mb85.pdf TKW, is the Total Known Weight of the piece, the sample 99937 was probably a 200 grams piece before cut. It is a commercial rock which will never be officially recognized as a meteorite, many Sahara x are paired specimen which come from the same old fall, but the information is unavailable and can't be verified. Everybody can use a NWA or Sahara name today to sell a rock which is not a meteorite because there is no scientific work done and type specimen preserved on the majority of these stones. Best Regards, Richard & Roland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com/ http://www.saharamet.com/desert/meteorite/prospect.html PS: copy of a mail from Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman, Editor, Meteoritical Bulletin US Geological Survey People buying/trading meteorites should also keep in mind that if a meteorite name (including its number, if any) does NOT appear in the Met. Bulletin (published or on-line), then there is no guarantee that it has ever been looked at by a meteorite expert or that the NomCom has ever scrutinized the name, location data, classification,
[meteorite-list] The Pelisson,s. METEORITE GODS
As many of you know I have sold artifacts for longer than I have sold meteorites. One of the ploys that some slimy artifact dealers do is to tell anybody who brings them something for them to authtenticate is to tell them that it is a fake. That way they think that the potential nieve customer will feel that he is a very knowledgable dealer and in the future only buy stuff from him. I once had a dealer do that to me with an egyptian artifact with prominance from a famous collection that was shown to several experts including one of the worlds leading experts of artifats with the British Museum. Meteorite dealers might try this also. I had a customer who bought a common chondrite from morocco from me once who contacted another dealer who said that he would classify it for him (Since my understanding is that Marvin Kilgore is the only dealer who can classify meteorites you know that they story is fishy already because it wasnt kilgore who did this) and then told him that it was not a meteorite. What does this have to do with the Pelissons? Absolutely nothing. However it is an example of slimy tactics that certain dealers use when they try to undermine some aspect of a business that they dont like (Such as competation for instance). Here is a letter written by the Pelissons to some collector asking if they could authtenticate a desert meteorite. I make no comments here (Dont want Art mad at me) but the slime speaks for itself. The Pellisons are of course technically right in what they say here. Its just that one would think from reading the Pelisson letter that desert meteorites are nothing short of a scam that wouldent be touched by serious dealers or researshers. The Pellisons are distorting facts to put down a part of the sahara meteorite business that they dont like. It should be noted that this letter was not written to a customer of mine and was given to me by another dealer. This is a sad reflection of an hobby when certain people in it like the Pellisons continues to act like this and to continue stating that their way of doing things is the only correct way that the world should work. The meteorite hobby will never become mainstream until this stupid infighting in the interest of short term profits ends. While the letter is technically correct it is very misleading about the status of desert meteorites. There is no effort to tell this new collector of meteorites that desert finds have a special status in the meteorite world. Thats why the meteoritical society recogonizes meteorites using a NWA or Sahara name. Below is the letter that the pellisons wrote to a potential new collector looking to maximize the amount of meteoritic material that he wants to buy with limited funds. Just look at the time spent into creating this letter and the ffort to totally confuse a new collector. With sad reflections DEAN ___ Sahara 99937 is the stone number 937 found in the year 1999, it's a temporary identification number which was used by the Labenne family. It will never be recognized as a new meteorite, excepted if you find a laboratory to classify your sample. But laboratories need a type specimen archived for future studies and a thin section for microprobe measures (200 points). Each year in July, the Meteoritical Society publishes a supplement to METEORITICS AND PLANETARY SCIENCE in which are recorded all the new meteorites of the previous year. This document is really the bible for any serious meteoricist. The info given there present the most reliable source for the entire community. Here is the list of the official meteorites named "Sahara x" in the last publication of the Meteoritical Bulletin. Only 17 have been recorded last year and all are meteorites with unknown location. See page 23: http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/mb85.pdf TKW, is the Total Known Weight of the piece, the sample 99937 was probably a 200 grams piece before cut. It is a commercial rock which will never be officially recognized as a meteorite, many Sahara x are paired specimen which come from the same old fall, but the information is unavailable and can't be verified. Everybody can use a NWA or Sahara name today to sell a rock which is not a meteorite because there is no scientific work done and type specimen preserved on the majority of these stones. Best Regards, Richard & Roland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com/ http://www.saharamet.com/desert/meteorite/prospect.html PS: copy of a mail from Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman, Editor, Meteoritical Bulletin US Geological Survey People buying/trading meteorites should also keep in mind that if a meteorite name (including its number, if any) does NOT appear in the Met. Bulletin (published or on-line), then there is no guarantee that it has ever been looked at by a meteorite expert or that the NomCom has ever scrutinized the name, location data, classification,
Re: [meteorite-list] More on CAIs
Just a follow up to Bernd's post, I've been reading a lot on CAI's lately so this discussion is great, keep it going. Have a look at: Hsu, W., et al., 2000, High Time resolution by use of the 26Al chronometer in the multistage formation of a CAI Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 182, p.15-29. They are indeed complicated little beasties. At 02:22 PM 2/11/2002 +0100, Bernd Pauli HD wrote: >SRINIVASAN G. et al. (2001) Ca-K and Al-Mg studies of CIAs >from CH and CR chondrites (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A196, excerpt): > >The CAIs from CR chondrites both with grossite and those with melilite >and hibonite have uniform 26Al abundance suggesting that they formed >within a narrow interval of time from the same reservoir. > > >Cheers, > >Bernd Steven Singletary 54-1224 Dept. Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences M.I.T. Cambridge, MA 02139 Tel - 617.253.6398 Fax - 617.253.7102 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
Morning All, I talked with Ivan Koutyrev on the phone this morning and he was aware he was spreading a virus. He has corrected the problem. John At 10:51 AM 2/12/02 -0500, Tom wrote: >I got the same thing last night. I had to delete cuz I know the real Ivan >wouldn¹t do it to us. The attachment says Doc.doc.pif and there is nothing >written in the text box > >Tom > > > > > All, > > > > In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. > > > > The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" > > in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject > > line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but > > carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, > > the message bounced. > > > > I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar > > message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was > > not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I > > replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a > > response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. > > > > I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so > > I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from > > fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days > > is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I > > suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer > > when opened? > > > > Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have > > a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some > > reason. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? > > http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ > > "I look up to the heavens > > but night has clouded over > > no spark of constellation > > no Vela no Orion." -Enya > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
> Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer when opened? YES,, they are as good as .EXE, .BAT or .COM in carrying a virus. These emails may come from infected computers where your email is saved for any reason. The owner of the computer would not know that he sent you such emails. Regards Mohamed === - Original Message - From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bob Martino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails I got the same thing last night. I had to delete cuz I know the real Ivan wouldn¹t do it to us. The attachment says Doc.doc.pif and there is nothing written in the text box Tom > All, > > In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. > > The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" > in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject > line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but > carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, > the message bounced. > > I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar > message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was > not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I > replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a > response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. > > I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so > I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from > fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days > is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I > suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer > when opened? > > Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have > a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some > reason. > > Any ideas? > > > > Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? > http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ > "I look up to the heavens > but night has clouded over > no spark of constellation > no Vela no Orion." -Enya > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Sale
Way to go Bessey! xoxox, MC - Original Message - From: dean bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Sale > I lost some emails so if anybody sent me an email to buy stuff over the last > couple days please email me again. > I set up a bit late in tucson and missed the first two days but I have > managed to sell 450 kilos of meteorites in tucson so I guess that I have had > a good show. I had 414 kilos of meteorites shipped directly from morocco > that I bought when I was there last month. People searched over them at 20 > cents to $1.25 a gram depending on crust. 3 people showed me likely LL3s > that they found in my pile. Two peoplw is claiming that they found a > ureilite but I havent seen the stones. Another dealer from france pulled out > a over half kilo CO3 from my pile to that he paid 50 cents a gram for. I > have had a lot of dealers buying stuff from my pile of meteorites this show. > I have been pretty busy all show. One guy on a trilobite mailing list > complained that he checked my room and it was always to busy to look through > it (Yahoo newsgroup "Trilobites"). I usually get the nomads coming to me in > erfoud right after a sahara search trip and my stuff is typically not as > picked over as much as most of the moroccan stuff that you see on the market > at source in morocco. I go through a couple hundred kilos of meteorites a > month so I dont have time to pick them over myself either. > Tomorrow or thursday I plan to pack up and go sipping margaratas in mexico > with Mark (Thebigcollector) for a week before going back to canada. > I would prefer to sell things now than to pack them and ship back to canada > so here are some deals for those who couldent make it to tucson. I will pay > postage within the USA for over $100 orders. Paypal preferred and I will > ship from tucson. > Loose NWA material $200 a kilo > Gold Basin 50 cents a gram > NWA267 H4. Small weathered fragments $150 a kilo > NWA869 L4. Possibly the largest and one of the nicest falls to come out of > the sahara $250 a kilo (One time offer - this is $300 a kilo normally) > More CR2 $23.50 a gram > Meteorites with over 50% nice crust $750 a kilo. > Opal from Peru $85 a kilo > Chancay Artifact (Peru 900 - 1400AD) whorles with pin still attached $30 > 82 gram etched cape york $195 (One only available) > Green river fish $8 each > Chinese fish (Jainchanichthys) 3 sizes $7, $12 and $15 sizes. > I might be leaving tomorrow so let me know if any of this interests you as > soon as you can > Cheers > DEAN > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
this is a virus, if the attached file for example is humor.zip.pif ( impossible extensions in windows ). the sender himself doesn´t know and that and will not recognize that he is infected. I received some days more than 100 mails from people I do not know. delete tha attachment and use a visur scanner. Joachim Bob Martino schrieb: > All, > > In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. > > The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" > in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject > line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but > carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, > the message bounced. > > I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar > message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was > not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I > replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a > response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. > > I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so > I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from > fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days > is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I > suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer > when opened? > > Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have > a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some > reason. > > Any ideas? > > > Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? >http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ > "I look up to the heavens > but night has clouded over > no spark of constellation > no Vela no Orion." -Enya > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] From the Admin - Virus Precautions
Greetings Everyone; As a rule of thumb, never open any email attachments unless you are 100% sure of what they are and have run a virus scan on them. Some of the latest bugs can be run simply by having Outlook set to 'preview' mode or by clicking a link embedded in an email. Beware! These days, good virus scanning software with updated virus definition files is a 'must-have' tool, especially if you are downloading files or receiving emails. The file mentioned below is probably a *.pif virus ( http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_936.htm ) , which can be very nasty. Don't open it! Here is a link that has some good tips for avoiding getting and passing an email virus: ( http://www.asitis.net.au/support/virustips.html ). Regards, Art - Art Jones Meteorite Central http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Bob wrote: >I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so >I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from >fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days >is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I >suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer >when opened? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Report on Hubble Space Telescope Impact Damage
New Report on Hubble Space Telescope Impact Damage Orbital Debris Quarterly Johnson Space Center January 2002 The Image Science and Analysis Group at the NASA Johnson Space Center has just released its latest assessment of small particle damage to the HST in Survey of the Hubble Space Telescope Micrometeoroid and Orbital Debris Impacts From Space Shuttle Service Mission 3A Imagery (JSC-29539). Prepared primarily by David Bretz and the late Leif Anenson, the report characterizes the results of a special investigation of HST photographs from the December 1999 mission of STS-103 to identify high velocity impact features. A similar analysis was performed following the second HST servicing mission by STS-82 (see Survey of the Hubble Space Telescope Micrometeoroid and Orbital Debris Impacts from Service Mission 2 Imagery, JSC-28472, 1998). During the STS-103 mission the Electronic Still Camera (ESC) was used from inside the Space Shuttle crew cabin to map all visible areas of the body of HST using a 80-200 mm lens at full zoom (200 mm) and to image selected areas with the 400 mm telephoto lens. Astronaut Scott Kelly was the primary survey photographer, who underwent preflight training for this mission task. A total of 99 images (50 with the 200 mm lens and 49 with the 400 mm lens) were taken from the aft flight deck. Many of these images were selected for special particle impact analysis. In all, 571 impact features (strikes) were selected for characterization and measurement: 398 in the 200 mm lens images and 173 in the 400 mm lens images. Where possible, the dimensions of both the central hole and the outer delamination ring were measured. The most prevalent hole size seen in the 200 mm lens images was 2-3 mm, but the higher resolution 400 mm lens images yielded a majority of hole diameters in the 1-2 mm range. The delamination ring diameters typically are twice the size of the associated hole. One of the most important metrics for determining the flux of the particle environment is the density (number per square meter) of impacts. Average impact densities of about 45/m2 were found on the -V3 quadrant of HST. This is a cumulative effect over almost 10 years in Earth orbit. Unfortunately, micrometeoroid and orbital debris impacts cannot be differentiated in the images. Therefore, statistical techniques, taking into account the mean densities of micrometeoroids and orbital debris and their effects on hypervelocity impact morphology, will need to be applied to distinguish the probable populations. IMGE CAPTION: [http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/v7i1/hubble_fig1.jpg] Five HST impact sites photographed with 400 mm lens. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Sale
I lost some emails so if anybody sent me an email to buy stuff over the last couple days please email me again. I set up a bit late in tucson and missed the first two days but I have managed to sell 450 kilos of meteorites in tucson so I guess that I have had a good show. I had 414 kilos of meteorites shipped directly from morocco that I bought when I was there last month. People searched over them at 20 cents to $1.25 a gram depending on crust. 3 people showed me likely LL3s that they found in my pile. Two peoplw is claiming that they found a ureilite but I havent seen the stones. Another dealer from france pulled out a over half kilo CO3 from my pile to that he paid 50 cents a gram for. I have had a lot of dealers buying stuff from my pile of meteorites this show. I have been pretty busy all show. One guy on a trilobite mailing list complained that he checked my room and it was always to busy to look through it (Yahoo newsgroup "Trilobites"). I usually get the nomads coming to me in erfoud right after a sahara search trip and my stuff is typically not as picked over as much as most of the moroccan stuff that you see on the market at source in morocco. I go through a couple hundred kilos of meteorites a month so I dont have time to pick them over myself either. Tomorrow or thursday I plan to pack up and go sipping margaratas in mexico with Mark (Thebigcollector) for a week before going back to canada. I would prefer to sell things now than to pack them and ship back to canada so here are some deals for those who couldent make it to tucson. I will pay postage within the USA for over $100 orders. Paypal preferred and I will ship from tucson. Loose NWA material $200 a kilo Gold Basin 50 cents a gram NWA267 H4. Small weathered fragments $150 a kilo NWA869 L4. Possibly the largest and one of the nicest falls to come out of the sahara $250 a kilo (One time offer - this is $300 a kilo normally) More CR2 $23.50 a gram Meteorites with over 50% nice crust $750 a kilo. Opal from Peru $85 a kilo Chancay Artifact (Peru 900 - 1400AD) whorles with pin still attached $30 82 gram etched cape york $195 (One only available) Green river fish $8 each Chinese fish (Jainchanichthys) 3 sizes $7, $12 and $15 sizes. I might be leaving tomorrow so let me know if any of this interests you as soon as you can Cheers DEAN _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
I got the same thing last night. I had to delete cuz I know the real Ivan wouldn¹t do it to us. The attachment says Doc.doc.pif and there is nothing written in the text box Tom > All, > > In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. > > The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" > in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject > line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but > carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, > the message bounced. > > I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar > message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was > not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I > replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a > response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. > > I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so > I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from > fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days > is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I > suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer > when opened? > > Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have > a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some > reason. > > Any ideas? > > > > Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? > http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ > "I look up to the heavens > but night has clouded over > no spark of constellation > no Vela no Orion." -Enya > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange e-mails
All, In the last couple of days I've received two e-mails from unknown persons. The latest was from someone named "Ivan Koutyrev" (I know we have an "Ivan" in meteoritics these days, but I don't know his last name). Its subject line was "Re: Apollo 'Lunar' Sample." It contained no text message but carried an attachment with a .pif suffix. When I replied to the sender, the message bounced. I wouldn't have brought this up, but yesterday I got another very similar message. I deleted it so I can't remember the sender's name, but it was not "Ivan." It also contained no text, just a .pif attachment. When I replied to it, it also bounced. The subject line indicated that it was a response to my recent list posting about the Willamette meteorite. I am not foolish enough to open attachments sent by complete strangers, so I don't know what these .pif files were. That they were sent from fictitious e-mail accounts has me concerned. Two of these in as many days is odd. Both coming with meteorite-related subject lines is very odd. I suspect Trojan Horses. Can .pif attachments cause damage to a computer when opened? Is anyone else on the list experiencing this problem? If so, we might have a list-wide issue. If not, then I might have become a target for some reason. Any ideas? Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ "I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion." -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] About message titled "Ebay Meteorwrong Whopper" OFF TOPIC but IMPORTANT
Ivan and list, I received a message from Ivan today that contains a Virus. I KNOW it was unintentional on Ivans part...I just want everyone to use caution and to make Ivan aware that he has it. The virus was the "W32.Badtrans.B@mm" and you can get the tool to remove it from http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/tools.list.html. Thanks and when you get it cleaned off I would really like to see that Whopper you were emailing about...I had to delete the message. Thanks...Mark M.
[meteorite-list] Other Ebay Auctions
Hello all I have put others auctions on ebay, many is go sold with the buy now..I have put the last gr.0.1 slice of SaU 008, after only big pieces http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Regards matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bruno & Carine in italian scientific review
Matteo wrote:Chinellato schrieb: > Bruno & Carine they are appeared in an article of 4 pages in one Italian scientific >review > - Quark - care their last discovered Martian meteorites. A good article. Regards >Matteo See also: PADIRAC D. (2001) NWA 480 and NWA 817: Latest news from Mars (Meteorite, Nov. 2001, Vol. 7, No. 4, pp. 32-33). Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay SALE * OUED EL HADJAR * ebay SALE
Hi list, I am starting my first ebay sale. Just take your chance at: http://cgi.ebay.fr/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1073609676 it is a fragment of my first fall discovery: the Oued El Hadjar meteorite . Good bids ! Michel FRANCO Caillou Noir 100 Chemin des Campènes 74400 CHAMONIX - FRANCE http://www.themeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bruno & Carine in a italian scientific review
Hello all Bruno & Carine they are appeared in an article of 4 pages in one Italian scientific review - Quark - care their last discovered Martian meteorites. A good article. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Riker boxes
Hi there, Anyone have any ideas where I could get a few Riker boxes here in the UK? Seems harder to get than a unicorn sperm sample here! Thanks! -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org "I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n>2. However, it won't fit into my signature file" __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
