Re: [meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello all

I wanted to inform to you that the person, having
known of the shipment of several email care the Eagle
Butte, me has written inform me that will inform Ebay
why I have written of the email gross and false in its
he confronts. Probably the person is from lunatic
asylum... 
Regards


matteo

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> I wonder if it would do any good to post a negative
> or at least a neutral
> comment in his feedback regarding this fraud (for
> lack of a better term.
> I doubt I can prove the seller knowingly tried to
> pass off slag as a
> meteorite, but I feel this must be a scam.) 
> Something to the effect of
> "I am submitting this rock to XYZ for independent
> verification."  I'm
> willing to burn the feedback, if it keeps anyone
> else
> from making the same error.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Article wanted

[rochette]

Hello all- I am in search of a copy of the article:
The Mbale meteorite shower. Meteoritics. vol. 29 no. 2. March 1994. pp. 246-254
Can anyone out there provide me with a photocopy, back issue, or on-line archive?
Thanks in advance,

Bonjour

go to this page: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/article_service.html
and you can download for free all old Meteoritics articles you want! Pierre

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Re: [meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[Tracy Latimer]

I wonder if it would do any good to post a negative or at least a neutral
comment in his feedback regarding this fraud (for lack of a better term.
I doubt I can prove the seller knowingly tried to pass off slag as a
meteorite, but I feel this must be a scam.)  Something to the effect of
"I am submitting this rock to XYZ for independent verification."  I'm
willing to burn the feedback, if it keeps anyone else
from making the same error.

Tracy Latimer
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Re: [meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[Sharkkb8]

 
> Well at  least there are no more listings of EB's on
> eBay!  Congrats to IMCA members and others  who
> spoke up.


With any luck, we may have seen the last of Eagle Butte, at least on ebay.   In his extraordinarily distasteful   correspondence with Matteo, the seller, the so-called "Dr. Schimpf", claimed to be a member of the Board of Trustees of the Royal Tyrell Museum in Alberta, so I took the liberty of writing the Museum to inquire.   On Feb 22, they responded to me that they don't HAVE a Board of Trustees, much less had they ever heard of this "Dr. Schimpf".  I sent along several examples of the rather colorful language, and suggested to the Museum representative that a lowlife such as this, selling a fake meteorite and claiming to represent the Museum, was hardly good P.R. for the Institution.   Needless to say, they responded in agreement.  The seller was copied on all this correspondence, so perhaps he's finally gotten the message and moved on.  

Gregory

[meteorite-list] Article wanted

[Rob and Colleen]

Hello all-
I am in search of a copy of the article:
The Mbale meteorite shower. Meteoritics. vol. 29 no. 2. March 1994.
pp. 246-254
Can anyone out there provide me with a photocopy, back issue, or on-line
archive?
Thanks in advance,

--
Rob Wesel
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Willy Wonka, 1971
 

Re: [meteorite-list] E chondrites - EH3 for sale

[Tim Heitz]

Thats only $23.80 per gram for an EH3 !

Tim Heitz
Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org/




Tim Heitz wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a 6.3 gram piece of EH3 97121 and a 4.2 gram piece of EH3 97121
>
> I spent $188 dollars for the 6.3 gram piece and $126 dollars for a total of
> $314.00
>
> I will let these both go for $250.00 if anyone is interested. Please contact me
> off list.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Heitz
> Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org/
>
> LABENNE METEORITES wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >   We have found a very nice EH3 in 1997, the meteorite SAH97096, and its
> > pairing group, see our web page at
> > http://www.labenne-meteorites.com/97096.htm . It can be classified among
> > the most primitive enstatite chondrite comparable to Qingzhen and Parsa. It
> > contains olivine chondrules and types II chondrules fragments. This
> > meteorite has been described as a highly primitive EH3 chondrite that has
> > retained primary accretional nebular features in the form of sulfide-metal
> > rich chondrules. The main mass SAH97091, EH3 is a single stone found in
> > 1997, weighing 6140g.
> > To learn more about this EH3, perhaps the most primitive EH3 chondrite :
> > **SAH97096. A highly primitive EH3 chondrite with layered
> > sulfide-metal-rich chondrules. M.K.Weisberg and
> > M.Prinz.http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC98/pdf/1741.pdf
> > **Unusually abundant refractory inclusions and iron oxyde-rich silicates in
> > an EH3 chondrite, SAH97159 (paired with the SAH97096 and
> > SAH97158http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2000/pdf/5101.pdf
> > **In situ analysis of the iodine-xenon system in a Saharan EH3 chondrite.
> > J.A.Whitby, J.DGilmour, and G.Turner.
> > **Bourot-Denise, M.; Perron, C. Shock-induced Transformations in an EH3
> > Chondrite.
> >
> > At 10:08 PM 3/4/02 +0100, Bernd Pauli HD wrote:
> > >Jeannie wrote:
> > >
> > > >  I had someone ask me about a meteorite that perhaps
> > > > originated from Mercury, or the orbit of Mercury...
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Jeannie and List,
> > >
> > >Although O.R. Norton's wonderful new book on meteorites is
> > >to be released in North America on April 1, there is still a lot of
> > >invaluable information in RFS I and II - but who am I telling that :-)
> > >
> > >NORTON O.R. (1998) Rocks From Space, p. 190, E-Chondrites:
> > >
> > >E-chondrites are rare, representing less than 2 % of the stony
> > >meteorites, and only twenty-four(*) are known. They must have
> > >formed in an oxygen -depleted environment, since most of their
> > >iron occurs either as metal or in combination with sulfur, forming
> > >the iron-sulfide mineral troilite.
> > >In ordinary chondrites, pyroxene contains both magnesium and
> > >iron in a ratio depending on the availability of oxygen. Not so the
> > >E-chondrites. Their pyroxene contains no iron, only magnesium.
> > >This almost pure magnesium silicate pyroxene is called enstatite,
> > >and accounts for about 65 percent of the mineral content of these
> > >meteorites. Thus, they are called enstatite chondrites, or E-chondrites.
> > >It's not surprising to see a fayalite content of less than 1 %. Like the
> > >ordinary chondrites, E-chondrites are subclassified into H and L types
> > >depending on total iron. EH-chondrites have more total iron (about 30
> > >percent) and more metal. EL-chondrites have less total iron (about 25
> > >percent) and less metal.
> > >Their low oxygen content suggests that they formed even closer
> > >to the Sun than the H-chondrites, possibly inside Mercury's orbit.
> > >
> > >
> > >Best wishes,
> > >
> > >Bernd
> > >
> > >(*) Meanwhile, four years later there are:
> > >
> > >088 Non-Antarctic E chondrites in my databases
> > >   (not included are the recent Hot Desert Finds)
> > >210 US-Antarctic E chondrites
> > >035 Jap-Antarctic E chondrites (incomplete data records)
> > >
> > >As usual, this statistical obverview does not take into
> > >consideration the (tentatively) paired specimens.
> > >
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >
> > >Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[Matteo Chinellato]

hello all

Well wellis the time this person pay the emails
sent to me and the false material sent to others.
Perhaps the kind mrs. has put my address email in the
block, has fear of several things. It would be but to
hold of eye if it still puts in sale pieces of these
slags, why then it would be the case that Ebay enters
in game. 
Regards

matteo

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> All,
> I received this email from a new meteorite collector
> who gave me permission to share it with you:
> 
> "To:
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Hi, I liked your info on  Meteorwrongs .  Very
> interesting.  I did purchase
> two small and very interesting Eagle Buttes for a
> total of $20.  These are
> without any doubt slag.  When I contacted the seller
> he put up a huge fuss
> saying that they are indeed meteorites and I was
> wrong.  I pushed for a
> refund and he told me he would refund minus shipping
> and that they better be
> exactly as he shipped them or a refund would be
> denied.  He said he has very
> detailed photos of each piece 'for insurance
> purposes'.  I am certain he
> will not be refunding my money because they will
> mysteriously show up
> damaged even though they are well packaged.  I
> checked his feedback and
> several people have bought these.  The way he has
> them pictured on his
> auction made it difficult to see the foam and air
> bubbles which would make
> anyone suspicious.  You can thank guys like these
> for turning away new
> collectors.
> "collector from TX".  (name removed by request)"
> 
> Well at  least there are no more listings of EB's on
> eBay!  Congrats to IMCA members and others  who
> spoke up.
> Best,
> Ken Newton
> #9632
> 


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[meteorite-list] Article on meteorites in German Magazine

[Bernd Pauli HD]

Mike wrote (with Panama + some beach time already on his mind :-)

> Hey everyone, there is a cool new magazine article that just came
> out. It is in German in the Bild der Wissenschaft Magazine from
> Germany. It is about myself and Bob Haag hunting meteorites and
> the business in general. Nice photos. Maybe someone from Germany
> can type up a translation of the article for us?

Hello All!

No need to translate because it is more or less (more than less)
identical to the article in the Smithsonian - even the picture
with Mike and his metal detector among the saguaro cacti is the
same.


Reference:

KRAJICK KEVIN (1999) Mining for Meteorites
(Smithsonian, March 1999, pp. 90 -100).


Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] ZIZ iron

[Martin Horejsi]

Hi All Ziz fans,

In case anyone is interested, in the 2001 May issue of Meteorite Magazine, I
wrote an article about the Ziz irons.

But no, I do not have any for sale.

Cheers,

Martin








On 3/5/02 10:59 AM, "meteorite1.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
>   The only people that I know of that have this is
> Simon & Ali Hmani,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Simon is in Chula Vista, CA & Ali is in Oujda, Morocco.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:48 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ZIZ iron
> 
> 
>> Hey
>> Anyone maybe have for sale some ZIZ iron ?
>> 
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[meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[magellon]

All,
I received this email from a new meteorite collector who gave me permission
to share it with you:
"To:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, I liked your info on  Meteorwrongs
.  Very interesting.  I did purchase
two small and very interesting Eagle Buttes for a total of $20. 
These are
without any doubt slag.  When I contacted the seller he put up
a huge fuss
saying that they are indeed meteorites and I was wrong.  I pushed
for a
refund and he told me he would refund minus shipping and that they
better be
exactly as he shipped them or a refund would be denied.  He said
he has very
detailed photos of each piece 'for insurance purposes'.  I am
certain he
will not be refunding my money because they will mysteriously show
up
damaged even though they are well packaged.  I checked his feedback
and
several people have bought these.  The way he has them pictured
on his
auction made it difficult to see the foam and air bubbles which would
make
anyone suspicious.  You can thank guys like these for turning
away new
collectors.
"collector from TX".  (name removed by request)"
Well at  least there are no more listings of EB's on eBay! 
Congrats to IMCA members and others  who spoke up.
Best,
Ken Newton
#9632

Re: [meteorite-list] ZIZ iron

[meteorite1.net]

Hello,

The only people that I know of that have this is 
Simon & Ali Hmani, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] &
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Simon is in Chula Vista, CA & Ali is in Oujda, Morocco.

Jim


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Subject: [meteorite-list] ZIZ iron


> Hey
> Anyone maybe have for sale some ZIZ iron ?
> 
> [ MARCIN CIMALA]-
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[meteorite-list] ZIZ iron

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Hey
Anyone maybe have for sale some ZIZ iron ?

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[meteorite-list] Beagle 2 To Search For Life On Mars

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/03/03/nmars03.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/03/03/ixhome.html

Mission to Mars from Milton Keynes
By Jenny Booth
The Telegraph (United Kingdom)
March 3, 2002

THE man most likely to answer the question "Is there life on Mars?" is not a
Nasa scientist in a Houston laboratory but a 58-year-old, wild-haired professor
who keeps cows on a farm in Cambridgeshire.

Prof Colin Pillinger is the mastermind behind Britain's first space probe, Beagle
2, which is due to land on Mars on December 23, 2003, and spend six months
analysing Martian rocks, soil and gases for signs that the planet ever supported
life.

It is only Prof Pillinger's enthusiasm and implacable faith that have turned into
reality his academic obsession with the search for life on Mars. He is a
specialist in analysing rocks from other planets and has extensively studied
Martian meteorites. 

Evidence of life from meteorites is not conclusive, however, because they might
be contaminated with organic matter after arriving on Earth. The only way to find
out for sure was to get hold of some genuine, uncontaminated Martian rock.

Prof Pillinger saw his chance in 1997 when the European Space Agency
announced that it was sending an orbiter to Mars in 2003, when the Red Planet
will be closer to Earth than at any time in the past 6,000 years. 

Soon afterwards, when the agency met in Paris, Prof Pillinger turned up and
convinced the organisation, which is co-funded by Britain, that the Mars
Express mission would not be complete without a landing probe. Beagle 2 will, in
fact, be Europe's first mission to the surface of another planet.

His success meant that Prof Pillinger then had to invent and build a space
probe. With no British space programme to compare to Nasa, he had to start
from scratch, pulling together a team of scientists and engineers. 

In the grand tradition of British scientific endeavour, the project began with no
funding, so for the first couple of years the team worked without pay in their own
time. 

Their designs for the ship and its instruments underwent numerous ESA tests to
prove that their viability - and passed with flying colours.

But financial worries have continued to plague the project. It still has no serious
government funding, leaving Prof Pillinger minus £35 million. Uniquely in the
history of space exploration, the lander will be paid for largely through
advertising and sponsorship. 

Maurice and Charles Saatchi, both fans of the project, are helping to negotiate
the deals, making Beagle 2 the first space probe with company logos on its side
ever to land on a planet. There will even be domestic merchandising.

This method of fund raising has ruffled feathers in the scientific establishment.
"I used to get telephone calls saying: 'If you persist in trying to fund the project
this way, you will damage the astronomy programme. It's verboten - you
shouldn't be trying to commercialise science like that,' " says Prof Pillinger. 

"I had some telephone messages left by people whose voices I even
recognised. There are one or two dark alleys I wouldn't want to walk down."

Beagle 2, however, has provoked equally passionate support in others. There
seems to be something about the sheer improbability of the mission that
captures the imagination.

This may be helped by the endearing appearance of the craft. At 3ft wide and
weighing nine stone, it looks like a cross between a flying saucer and a Heath
Robinson cartoon. 

When the Beagle lands and deploys its solar cells, it will, true to its name, look
like a dog's paw print on the planet surface. Then a spindly, robotic arm will
emerge, its knuckles bristling with cameras and rock grinders.

Whatever Beagle 2's appeals, Prof Pillinger cannot walk down the street without
being slapped on the back, asked for an autograph, or even pressed to accept a
worn tenner for the project. 

Schoolchildren send in their pocket money. Pensioners have written to him at
the Open University's Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute in
Milton Keynes offering their services to make tea for the Beagle scientists.

Blur, the pop band, has composed a musical call-sign for Beagle 2 to emit to
establish communications once it lands. Damien Hirst, the artist, is producing
one of his spot paintings to be printed inside its lid to enable the craft to
calibrate its cameras.

But Beagle 2's winsome looks and the fact that Britons are space novices belie
the ground-breaking science that has gone into the project. The technology on
board is more sophisticated and comprehensive than anything yet sent to Mars
by Nasa. 

The jewel in the crown, and what Prof Pillinger hopes will answer the question of
life on Mars, is a miniature mass spectrometer invented by his team, capable of
performing a wide range of experiments on Martian rock and soil samples.

For Prof Pillinger, the preoccupation with the little lander could have come at a
heavy personal price

Re: [meteorite-list] R4 Blowout Sale on Ebay

[Matteo Chinellato]

hello all

>From $500/gr. of the Ouzina to $35/gr. today... wow,
task that who will have made large purchases the first
price of R chondrites, hour will be killed having
undersell to prices inferior of the purchase. I
sincerely this thing to ruin the market does not
understand, if you had to find it a meteorite of the
rare type, of sure does not go it to sell to ruin
prices. Same I am acquiring hour from Moroccans, but
of sure if I find a rare type of meteorite, I do not
destroy it with prices of ordinary chondrites, like
happening with the CR2, even if satisfied them to a
low price. Everyone can make the market that it wants,
but to sincerely I see much ugly one it for who has
made large purchases in the last times. 
Regards

Matteo

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> I didnt spend as much time as other dealers in the
> meteorite markets 
> searching over resellers meteorites when I was in
> morocco in January - as 
> unlike other dealers I usually go out into the
> desert where the nomads live 
> to buy my meteorites so that I get first look at
> what is being offered. 
> Since I was there anyway though I did spend a couple
> days going around to 
> all of the resellers and there is currently a large
> amount of the R 
> chondrites that you have recently been seeing
> offered for general sale 
> available in morocco now but the nomads and moroccan
> resellers all know what 
> it is and after seing it offered for $200 a gram on
> ebay they want big bucks 
> for it.
> I bought a few R4 stones and sold most of what I
> bought to my regular 
> buyers. I have remaining a single 69 gram R4 that I
> have just cut up and put 
> on ebay at the lowest price that any R chondrite has
> ever been offered at by 
> any dealer. Becides the ebay auctions I have a 3.48
> and a 4.78 gram complete 
> slice and a 12.7 and a 16.5 gram endpieces. The
> endpieces might be sold as I 
> am meeting a customer later today but whatever I
> have left out of these four 
> specimens is $35 a gram to list members if I dont
> sell it today. Or see my 
> ebay auctions. User id "amunre". I have just listed
> 16 auctions of the 
> current R4 material that is currently circulating
> around morocco on ebay. 
> All of the auctions have buy it now options so check
> asap for first choice. 
> When I am in Morocco I usually get first look at the
> meteorites that are 
> offered for sale so you might want to be first to do
> the same with
> my ebay auctions in order to get best pickings.
> Cheers
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[meteorite-list] R4 Blowout Sale on Ebay

[dean bessey]

I didnt spend as much time as other dealers in the meteorite markets 
searching over resellers meteorites when I was in morocco in January - as 
unlike other dealers I usually go out into the desert where the nomads live 
to buy my meteorites so that I get first look at what is being offered. 
Since I was there anyway though I did spend a couple days going around to 
all of the resellers and there is currently a large amount of the R 
chondrites that you have recently been seeing offered for general sale 
available in morocco now but the nomads and moroccan resellers all know what 
it is and after seing it offered for $200 a gram on ebay they want big bucks 
for it.
I bought a few R4 stones and sold most of what I bought to my regular 
buyers. I have remaining a single 69 gram R4 that I have just cut up and put 
on ebay at the lowest price that any R chondrite has ever been offered at by 
any dealer. Becides the ebay auctions I have a 3.48 and a 4.78 gram complete 
slice and a 12.7 and a 16.5 gram endpieces. The endpieces might be sold as I 
am meeting a customer later today but whatever I have left out of these four 
specimens is $35 a gram to list members if I dont sell it today. Or see my 
ebay auctions. User id "amunre". I have just listed 16 auctions of the 
current R4 material that is currently circulating around morocco on ebay. 
All of the auctions have buy it now options so check asap for first choice. 
When I am in Morocco I usually get first look at the meteorites that are 
offered for sale so you might want to be first to do the same with
my ebay auctions in order to get best pickings.
Cheers
DEAN
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[meteorite-list] Smithsonian meteorite pictures

[Matson, Robert]

Hi John and list,

Thought I was seeing double when I spotted an Esquel for sale
on eBay that looks a lot like the Smithsonian specimen:



vs.



Cheers,
Rob

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