Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[capricorn89]

Drowning in "test" posts here!

Ron Hartman

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> InterestingI thought it was just me.
>
> The original KAROONDA QUESTION post I sent a few days ago never showed up
in
> my mailbox either, but several people posted replies, so it at least made
it
> part-way through.
>
> Craig
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[meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Matson, Robert]

Hi Stu,

>> Hoagland's extraordinary claims are not remotely supported by the
>> evidence at hand.  That is why he is considered a "nutcase". 

> Having said that, as I understand it Mr Hoagland was one of the
> first people to openly suggest that there may be primitive
> lifeforms beneath the ice on Europa, an idea which is almost
> universally accepted by exo-biologists now, so let's not
> condemn the guy *totally*.

Was this (Europa life) Hoagland's idea, or did he get it from
Sir Arthur C. Clarke?  To me at least, the possibility of primitive
life forms swimming in the (likely) liquid water beneath several
hundred meters of Europaen ice is far more palatable than the
possibility of intelligent life ever having lived on Mars.
At this point, conjecture about life on Europa is perfectly
acceptable, given that there is no data to refute the possibility.
But Mars is another story -- high-resolution imagery does not
support the contention that the geological (<-- what's the
corresponding word for Mars since "geo" is specific to earth?) features
could not have been created by natural
processes.

Best,
Rob


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Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[almitt]

Hi Jake,

Wow!

--AL :-)


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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[STUARTATK]

In a message dated 07/03/02 05:27:08 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hoagland's extraordinary claims are not remotely supported by the
evidence at hand.  That is why he is considered a "nutcase".


Having said that, as I understand it Mr Hoagland was one of the first people to openly suggest that there may be primitive lifeforms beneath the ice on Europa, an idea which is almost universally accepted by exo-biologists now, so let's not condemn the guy *totally*. It's all good for debate and increasing public interest in Mars, which is what we really need if we've to have any hope of staging a manned mission anytime soon.

Stu

www.newmars.com

[meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Matson, Robert]

> In regard to the comment about Hoagland being an alleged "nutcase" I
> have to ask why?

The individual was simply calling a spade a spade.

> Why is it that someone is a nutcase when he or she looks to
> the extraordinary in hopes of expanding human knowledge?

Because in Hoagland's case (unlike Galileo), the scientific method has
taken a backseat to blind faith.  MGS removed all doubt about the
non-remarkable nature of the so-called f-a-c-e on m-a-r-s (dashes
added to prevent a Google hit by kooks), as well as all the other
claims of intelligence-constructed features at C-y-d-o-n-i-a.
Hoagland's extraordinary claims are not remotely supported by the
evidence at hand.  That is why he is considered a "nutcase".

Cheers,
Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[CMcdon0923]

InterestingI thought it was just me.  

The original KAROONDA QUESTION post I sent a few days ago never showed up in 
my mailbox either, but several people posted replies, so it at least made it 
part-way through.

Craig

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Ebay 80 great auction!!!!

[Michael Cottingham]

 
- Original Message - 
From: Michael 
Cottingham 
To: Michael Cottingham 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: Ebay 80 great auction

Hello,
 
Please go take a peek...Big Stuff, Rare Stuff, Many 
Falls,
a lot of Great   "Buy it Now items"  
and a lot of great
looking meteorites...check out the 
photos!
 
Go to:
 
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 
Thanks & Best Wishes
 
Michael Cottingham

Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Sharkkb8]

 

Was Gallileo a 
"nutcase"?  


No, I don't think so.

[meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[MrX3010]

In regard to the comment about Hoagland being an alleged "nutcase"  I have to 
ask why?  Why is it that someone is  a nutcase when he or she looks to the 
extraordinary in hopes of  expanding human knowledge?  Was Gallileo a 
"nutcase"?  Yes, he was in his day a nut case, a heretic and in his own time 
an outcast because he chose "unpopular" realms of knowledge to delve into.  
Realms of knowledge that we today know of as science.  Why risk being an 
outcast?  The pursuit of knowledge.  If we rest on what we have learned and 
think we are experts, if we sit by and point fingers at everyone who does not 
hold the same view of the world or universe the same as we do then we are 
confined to an infinite loop of blindness.  Before we point fingers and laugh 
or make fun of someone simply because someone else tells us he or she is a 
nutcase perhaps we should look more closely at that persons  research.  In 
time we may find that our place in our perceived universe may not be as 
special as we might like it to be.

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Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[Roman Jirasek]

All of the last 4 TEST messages made it to the list.
At least I got them.

Best regards,
Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com/2003.html







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> In a message dated 07/03/02 00:19:48 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> << another test. I simply cannot get this email-thing to be dependable.
Sorry
>  for the wasted bandwidth. Jake >>
>
> AOL seems to filter out a high percentage of List postings and it has done
> for well over a year now. Trouble is, as an AOL subscriber you don't know
> exactly what posts you've missed until a buddy asks "Did you read that
> posting from x??".
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
> http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html
> Fernlea Meteorites,
> The Wynd,
> Off Dickson Lane,
> Milton of Balgonie,
> Fife. KY7 6PY
> United Kingdom
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[meteorite-list] AOL

[Michael Blood]

Hi Gregory, John & all,
I don't know if posting to the list dificulties/delays are due
to AOL, but I have a lot of friends, relatives and customers that
do have endless problems with AOL. 
I guess they have a lot of "support system" crapola - chat lines, 
etc. that are unique to AOL, but they  do not highlight URLs that 
you can "click to" in their email text and numberous other problems
I have heard users complain about that I can't remember right now,
but which are a giant pain in the ass. 
Michael

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impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
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More Worth Seeing:
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Earth 
- variety of choices:
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Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[Meteoriteman]

Thanks to Rob, John, and Gregory...for the input. Greatly appreciated.
Best to all; jake


 Jake Delgaudio
The Nature Source
Meteorites and Fossils
Queensbury, NEW YORK 12804
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Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Meteorite

[BobHolmes]

A 'rock identification clinic at a nearby rural store'? 

Bob Holmes 
www.meteoritebiz.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[FERNLEA4]

In a message dated 07/03/02 00:19:48 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< another test. I simply cannot get this email-thing to be dependable. Sorry 
 for the wasted bandwidth. Jake >>

AOL seems to filter out a high percentage of List postings and it has done 
for well over a year now. Trouble is, as an AOL subscriber you don't know 
exactly what posts you've missed until a buddy asks "Did you read that 
posting from x??".

Cheers,
Rob.
http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html
Fernlea Meteorites,
The Wynd,
Off Dickson Lane,
Milton of Balgonie,
Fife. KY7 6PY
United Kingdom
Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563
Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991
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Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[John Gwilliam]

Gregory et al,
I think you may need to look for a different common denominator. 
I'm not an AOL user and some of my post have not made it to the
list.
John

At 07:25 PM 3/6/02 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I submitted two
list-posts early this morning, which have never appeared, and a number of
list-posts from other listees have mentioned other posts that I never
got.  Rob Elliott has mentioned the same problem, and so I can only
assume that AOL is the culprit, as it seems to be the only thing in
common.   I guess it's doubtful that THIS will get
through!   

Gregory 
John Gwilliam Meteorites
PO Box 26854
Tempe  AZ  85285
http://www.meteoriteimpact.com

Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[Sharkkb8]

I submitted two list-posts early this morning, which have never appeared, and a number of list-posts from other listees have mentioned other posts that I never got.  Rob Elliott has mentioned the same problem, and so I can only assume that AOL is the culprit, as it seems to be the only thing in common.   I guess it's doubtful that THIS will get through!  

Gregory

[meteorite-list] TEST (again)

[Meteoriteman]

  another test. I simply cannot get this email-thing to be dependable. Sorry 
for the wasted bandwidth. Jake


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The Nature Source
Meteorites and Fossils
Queensbury, NEW YORK 12804
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email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone:(518) 761-6702
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[meteorite-list] Canadian Meteorite

[Jamie Ekholm]

Anyone know anything about a meteorite being found 
in Canada recently?
 
I read it under yahoo news under the "oddly enough" 
category.
 
Here is the link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&u=/nm/20020306/od_nm/meteorite_dc_1
 
Jamie

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte Iron Meteorite Item # 1066468831 (fwd)

[David Freeman]

Dear Tracy;
Very eloquently put.  I will wait on pins and needles to find out their 
responce(!@#$%^&*) or "we have been in error and regret will have go 
give a bunch of money back because we were caught being phony."
Yup,
Dave (not the one in decay...yet)

Tracy Latimer wrote:

>This is the text of an email message I sent to the Crawfords, the people
>who are selling the Eagle Butte meteorites.  We'll see what their response
>might be.
>
>Tracy Latimer
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:26:55 +
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Eagle Butte Iron Meteorite Item # 1066468831
>
>
>I just got the Eagle Butte sample last week, thanks to the vagaries of 
>mailing across international borders.  Unfortunately, to my eye, it seems 
>you may have been fooled in your collecting by industrial slag, as the piece 
>you sent me does not resemble any of my other iron meteorites, but it DOES 
>resemble a slag meteorwrong I picked up in Ohio.  I have also heard from 
>people with whom I correspond on a meteorite newsgroup; several of them have 
>also bought these meteorites and feel their identity is questionable.
>
>I cannot comfortably post feedback without being sure of what I have bought, 
>so I am sending the sample to Dr. Carleton Moore at the Center for Meteorite 
>Studies at Arizona State University for analysis.  Upon his confirmation, I 
>will happily post positive feedback.  If the sample should turn out NOT to 
>be a meteorite, I will forego any negative comment should you choose to 
>offer a refund to anyone who has  bought an "Eagle Butte Meteorite" from you 
>in error.  I am sorry to have to be so cautious, but there seems to be brisk 
>trade in rocks of mistaken identity.
>
>Sincerely,
>Tracy Latimer
>
>
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[meteorite-list] Re: Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Bob Martino]

>Any ideas? What the Hell is this?

Sandworm Tracks.  To the north one can clearly see the Spice Blow.



Bob MartinoCan you really name a star?
   http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
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 but night has clouded over
 no spark of constellation
 no Vela no Orion."  -Enya



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[meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte Iron Meteorite Item # 1066468831 (fwd)

[Tracy Latimer]

This is the text of an email message I sent to the Crawfords, the people
who are selling the Eagle Butte meteorites.  We'll see what their response
might be.

Tracy Latimer

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:26:55 +
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Eagle Butte Iron Meteorite Item # 1066468831


I just got the Eagle Butte sample last week, thanks to the vagaries of 
mailing across international borders.  Unfortunately, to my eye, it seems 
you may have been fooled in your collecting by industrial slag, as the piece 
you sent me does not resemble any of my other iron meteorites, but it DOES 
resemble a slag meteorwrong I picked up in Ohio.  I have also heard from 
people with whom I correspond on a meteorite newsgroup; several of them have 
also bought these meteorites and feel their identity is questionable.

I cannot comfortably post feedback without being sure of what I have bought, 
so I am sending the sample to Dr. Carleton Moore at the Center for Meteorite 
Studies at Arizona State University for analysis.  Upon his confirmation, I 
will happily post positive feedback.  If the sample should turn out NOT to 
be a meteorite, I will forego any negative comment should you choose to 
offer a refund to anyone who has  bought an "Eagle Butte Meteorite" from you 
in error.  I am sorry to have to be so cautious, but there seems to be brisk 
trade in rocks of mistaken identity.

Sincerely,
Tracy Latimer




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Re: [meteorite-list] News from Paleo Guy

[Meteoriteman]

Wow!
Jake


 Jake Delgaudio
The Nature Source
Meteorites and Fossils
Queensbury, NEW YORK 12804
website: www.nature-source.com
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [meteorite-list] News from Paleo Guy

[Sharkkb8]

 
<< If there is anything I've left out, or haven't explained, or if you have 
any questions regarding this
 matter please feel free to contact me and I'll try to sort things out.  >>


Could be true, could be a convoluted excuse with as much veracity to it as 
the "Eagle Butte" meteorite.  If it were me, I would write this seller the 
following:

"There IS one thing you have left out, and that has to do with the reason the 
whole stupid issue arose in the first place.  This is not a meteorite, should 
never again be sold as one, and all specimens previously, fraudulently sold 
as a meteorite should be refunded."  

If and when the seller shows willingness to << sort things out >> by doing 
THAT, we can tag this toe and slam the drawer shut.

Gregory

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[meteorite-list] Canadian Farmer Finds Big Meteorite

[Ron Baalke]

http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/03/05/canada.meteorite.reut/index.html

Canadian farmer finds big meteorite
March 5, 2002

WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) -- A retired Canadian farmer has accidentally
discovered the second largest meteorite ever found in Canada, researchers
said Tuesday.

"I feel good that I found it," said Tom Wood, the Manitoba man who stumbled
across what he first thought was just a big rock back in September 1997
while operating a road grader.

"I don't know why I stopped, but the stone was there so I stopped. And when
I picked it up it seemed to be a different kind of stone. It seemed to be
awfully heavy for the size of it," said Wood.

That 8.2 kilogram (18 pound) souvenir became a astronomical coup after Wood
brought his booty into a rock identification clinic at a nearby rural store
last summer.

"I don't know anything about them except I found one. It was more a fluke
that it turned out to be one. It was just a stone in the garage. Then it was
a meteorite," said Wood.

Canadian researchers believe the meteorite, found about 65 kilometers (40
miles) southwest of Manitoba's capital, Winnipeg, likely crashed to earth
about 10,000 years ago.

Researchers said the meteorite was well weathered, with most of its fusion
crust worn off, revealing an interior that showed cracks from the shattering
of its parent asteroid.

Scientists, who look to meteorites to discover more about the origins of our
solar system, say there is another piece of this meteorite embedded in the
ground, but the recovery of the remainder is in doubt as Wood cannot
remember exactly where he found it.

The discovery was made as part of the Prairie Meteorite Search Project, a
campaign that encourages western Canadian farmers to have suspect rocks
identified.

"This shows that this technique of asking farmers and others to bring rocks
in they suspect to be meteorites, will produce meteorites," said Dr. Alan
Hildebrand, one of the project leaders who is based at the University of
Calgary.

"I'm sure people in Manitoba have lots more sitting on their window sills,"
said Hildebrand.

"Frankly I think most people would have just chucked it off the road, rather
than stopping to think, well gee, this seems unusual. To me that's pretty
remarkable," said Hildebrand.

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[meteorite-list] Road Worker Finds Canada's Second Largest Meteorite

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/national/story.html?f=/stories/20020306/250387.html

Road worker finds Canada's second largest meteorite
Sat in garage for 4 years

Robin Summerfield
Calgary Herald
March 6, 2002

CALGARY - A rock that was found along a rural Manitoba road by the driver of
a grader and then sat in his garage for four years could answer questions
about the origins of the solar system.

The Elm Creek Meteorite, found about 100 kilometres southwest of Winnipeg,
is the second largest find in Canadian history.

Tom Wood happened upon the rock in August, 1997. He got down from his
machine intending to toss the rock aside, but decided to take it home.

"It was the weight of it that intrigued me. It was too heavy for a field
rock, for a normal rock, and it just seemed different. But I'm not a rock
person or a person smart enough to know when something's worth something. It
was just pure luck all the way through. I could have just as easily thrown
it in the ditch, or thrown it in the garbage," said Mr. Wood.

It stayed in Mr. Wood's garage, until a University of Calgary student held a
"bring in your rocks day" in nearby Carman, Man., last summer.

''I thought, 'I'm just going to take this darn old rock with me and see what
it is,' and it turned out to be a meteorite."

Student Dan Lockwood said he "flip-flopped" about its authenticity for three
weeks before taking it back to the university for confirmation: "The rock
was covered in dirt, but its density made it deserving of a wash and a
closer look," Mr. Lockwood said.

Mr. Wood now owns a meteorite worth an estimated $10,000.

"I'll probably sell, I guess. It's a little bit of an expensive rock to have
as a coffee-table thing. Maybe I'll make my wife a ring out of it," said Mr.
Wood with a chuckle.

University of Calgary researchers are now trying to determine its age and
composition.

"These additional studies are aimed at understanding conditions in the solar
nebula, the clouds of gas and dust where all meteorites, planets come from,
the origins of the solar system," said Dr. Alan Hildebrand, project leader
of the Prairie Meteorite Search.

He said radioactivity tests will be performed to determine whether the
meteorite was a piece of a larger meteor.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Glass Tubes on Mars

[Martin Horejsi]

Hi All,

Ken Edgett, the scientist quotes on that page (no doubt refering to some
other feature) often points the cause of the water-erosion-like features on
Mars as those from when beer flowed there.

Now I know that Ken is aware that beer is more or less from an artificial
process. So what's the big deal. Got beer, need glasses (or glass tunnels
anyway).

Cheers,

Martin







On 3/6/02 9:18 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.enterprisemission.com/samp5.htm


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[meteorite-list] Glass Tubes on Mars

[MARSROX]

Thanks to Sterling for his "head's up" on this outrageously "unique" feature 
recently photographed on the surface of Mars. If you were in a rush and 
didn't check it out, here's another 
chance..http://www.enterprisemission.com/samp5.htm

I'm wondering if Ron Baalke might be able to get some of his colleagues to 
explain this phenomenon?

In awe,

Kevin Kichinka

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[meteorite-list] News from Paleo Guy

[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello all

Is arrive this email in my excite.it mailbox from
Paleo Guy, take a look:

I sent this message to your other e-mail address, but
have yet to receive a reply. I am hoping it reached
you, but if not here it is again.
Also in your response to your recent letters to my
husbands address, I asure you that it was neither him
nor I who sent you those vulgar messages and we would
appreciate if you could please keep your future
correspondance with us a little cleaner as we have no
intentions of causing a disturbance.
 
Thank you
Tammy Crawford
 
Dear Matteo,

My heartfelt apologies to you for the crude emails you
received from my former address, as well as the time
it has taken me to write this letter explaining what's
been happening over the past week. I regret that the
disturbed individual that sent these harsh and
disgusting (not to mention poorly laid out) emails was
a very mouthy teen who thought it might be funny to
stomp all over my identity, NOT a professor, or
trustee at a museum, or whatever other lies she
conjured up to make this horrible mess that I am only
beginning to clean up.

To begin with, the reason for the new email address is
because of the threatening letters I found on my
computer when I returned home from the hospital. I
cannot recall every letter that was sent and received
as I promptly deleted every one and the contacts that
pertained to them, but I do remember the harsh tone
and the disgusting language, and I once again make an
enormous apology. Thankfully, the former address had
just been added to our new laptop and it wasn't that
much of an inconvenience to change. 

My husband (alias geopaleo guy) was only aware that a
bid had been placed on one of his items on ebay from
my former address (which was to his surprise as I was
not home) and later found that it had been placed by
the aforementioned teen (whom I have pleasure of
calling my cousin). She had been staying at our house
in order to help my husband out with the children
while I was away and I gave her full permission to use
our laptop, big mistake. She thought it would be a big
joke to place a bid on one of his items, he told her
not to do it again and cancelled the bid. Shortly
after when she read the email you sent, she apparently
became furious, and using my identity decided to cause
some waves. As she received more emails she created
more waves and that is how we get to the point when my
address changed. I made the change the moment I saw
the letters, and deleted every one of them, then I
banned my cousin from my house telling her to get
help.

Since then, my husband has been receiving all sorts of
interesting emails from individuals on your mailing
list. He's been deleting them as he does not know what
to say to make it up to anyone that has been affected
by this ordeal. I don't blame him.

If there is anything I've left out, or haven't
explained, or if you have any questions regarding this
matter please feel free to contact me and I'll try to
sort things out. Once again I apologize and I hope
there hasn't been too much of an inconvenience.

Sincerely,

The Real, 

Tammy Crawford 

(not Schimpf)


what seems you?
Regards

Matteo


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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Dave Hostetter]

I put the Narrow Angle Camera image into Photoshop 5.5, rotated it to get a
fresh perspective (basically upside down compared to the extreme closeup on
the original web page), and enlarged the image considerably.  Looks to me
like the bright reflection in the closeup is the central uplift in an impact
crater.  The crater shows up better in mine than in theirs, but is less
obvious in mine when I rotate it back the way the image on the web site is.
The rotation "changes" the way you perceive it.

Also, in my image the "arches" are far less prominent (perhaps the web site
used different software than I did).  In my rotated image, they look
distinctly concave rather than convex, more like features you would expect
to see at the bottom of a cliff which is where they appear to be.

Of course, I have no expertise in interpreting orbital images of Mars so I
am just saying the way it looks to me.  I do know from many other pictures,
however, that interpreting features on the Martian surface is a tricky
business and that the same feature can be perceived in different ways
depending on how the picture is oriented.  For instance, there are a lot of
images I've seen where rotating the image changes a nice field of craters
into a field of low hills.  It pays to be cautious with this stuff!

Dave Hostetter


> >Ok, it's a little off topic, but... A friend of mine belongs
> >to a group one of whom found the following site displaying an
> >image of a Martian surface feature:
> >
> >This site is one maintained by a notorious whacko and
> >fringe-theorist, Hoagland, the author of Monuments of Mars, so I
> >told them he was a nutcase; forget it. And they properly came
> >back me with "Forget about the nutcase; what the Hell is this?"
> >And I didn't have a good answer. In fact, I don't think I've got
> >any answer. Enigmatic is the best description I could come up
> >with and that's just a word for an excuse.
> >Since the link to the original Mars Observer Narrow Angle
> >Camera image on the Hoagland site is broken, here's the correct
> >link for those that want to puzzle over it in greater detail:
> >
> >Any ideas? What the Hell is this?
> >
> >Sterling K. Webb
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RE: [meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Treiman, Allan]

Well, I'd go with the sand dunes, or more probably
dust dunes. With wind channeled into those cracks, 
it seems no great stretch of imagination to think
that sand dunes might form. Hoagland has been reading
Dune too much, or perhaps Moving Mars with its silica-
based martian life.
   FWIW
   Allan

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-Original Message-
From: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:46 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature


Hi, List,

Ok, it's a little off topic, but... A friend of mine belongs
to a group one of whom found the following site displaying an
image of a Martian surface feature:

This site is one maintained by a notorious whacko and
fringe-theorist, Hoagland, the author of Monuments of Mars, so I
told them he was a nutcase; forget it. And they properly came
back me with "Forget about the nutcase; what the Hell is this?"
And I didn't have a good answer. In fact, I don't think I've got
any answer. Enigmatic is the best description I could come up
with and that's just a word for an excuse.
Since the link to the original Mars Observer Narrow Angle
Camera image on the Hoagland site is broken, here's the correct
link for those that want to puzzle over it in greater detail:

Any ideas? What the Hell is this?

Sterling K. Webb


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[meteorite-list] CR2 with inclusion on ebay ending soon

[dean bessey]

I just wanted to remind everybody that my CR2 with a really cool inclusion 
will end on ebay in about 4 hours and is still only bid at $77 which is 
under $23 a gram.
See auction here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1077561890
Dont forget to check out my other auctions either. But the R4 that I 
advertised yesterday is almost all sold. The only piece that I have left is 
the one piece on ebay. I cut my rock into 20 pieces and 19 pieces have 
already sold in about 12 hours - mostly through buy it now on ebay. Maybe I 
am pricing my material to cheaply.
Cheers
DEAN

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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[rochette]

>Hi, List,
>
>Ok, it's a little off topic, but... A friend of mine belongs
>to a group one of whom found the following site displaying an
>image of a Martian surface feature:
>
>This site is one maintained by a notorious whacko and
>fringe-theorist, Hoagland, the author of Monuments of Mars, so I
>told them he was a nutcase; forget it. And they properly came
>back me with "Forget about the nutcase; what the Hell is this?"
>And I didn't have a good answer. In fact, I don't think I've got
>any answer. Enigmatic is the best description I could come up
>with and that's just a word for an excuse.
>Since the link to the original Mars Observer Narrow Angle
>Camera image on the Hoagland site is broken, here's the correct
>link for those that want to puzzle over it in greater detail:
>
>Any ideas? What the Hell is this?
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>
obviously a set of dunes, chanelled by topography. Dunes are much more
common on Mars than ET. The uncommon thing is the chanelling of the dunes
but it is easely accounted for by the valley topography.

Pierre



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Re: [meteorite-list] Bessey's Morocco trips

[Randy Mils]

Hi Dean:
Could you answer a few questions for me?
I have been lead to believe by your list postings over the past couple of years that you have been to Morocco only twice and that your main method of operation is to have large amounts shipped directly to you in Canada.  You have claimed in the past that this keeps the costs down and I agree it should.
How is it that you now claim to deal only with the nomads for your meteorites when everyone knows that the majority of meteorites coming out of Morocco originate in Algeria?  Are you saying that you go to Algeria?
Since you have only been to Morocco twice, how can you claim to know the activities of the other dealers who actually make the trip to Morocco frequently such as Fectay, Labenne, Carion, Farmer, etc.  You are aware that the Moroccans will tell you what they think that you want to hear don't you.  So if you are relying on what your contacts are telling you then you are probably being lied to.
I do not think it is fair for you to try to elevate yourself over the other dealers bringing meteorites out of Morocco by using what is obviously false claims.  I think that you have done a great service to collectors by having meteorites shipped to you and offering them at discount prices.  I just think you should not tarnish your reputation by claiming to know everything that is going on in Morocco when you have only been there twice.
Randy

>From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: [meteorite-list] R4 Blowout Sale on Ebay 
>Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:09:34 
> 
>I didnt spend as much time as other dealers in the meteorite markets 
>searching over resellers meteorites when I was in morocco in January 
>- as 
>unlike other dealers I usually go out into the desert where the 
>nomads live 
>to buy my meteorites so that I get first look at what is being 
>offered. 
>Since I was there anyway though I did spend a couple days going 
>around to 
>all of the resellers and there is currently a large amount of the R 
>chondrites that you have recently been seeing offered for general 
>sale 
>available in morocco now but the nomads and moroccan resellers all 
>know what 
>it is and after seing it offered for $200 a gram on ebay they want 
>big bucks 
>for it. 
>I bought a few R4 stones and sold most of what I bought to my 
>regular 
>buyers. I have remaining a single 69 gram R4 that I have just cut up 
>and put 
>on ebay at the lowest price that any R chondrite has ever been 
>offered at by 
>any dealer. Becides the ebay auctions I have a 3.48 and a 4.78 gram 
>complete 
>slice and a 12.7 and a 16.5 gram endpieces. The endpieces might be 
>sold as I 
>am meeting a customer later today but whatever I have left out of 
>these four 
>specimens is $35 a gram to list members if I dont sell it today. Or 
>see my 
>ebay auctions. User id "amunre". I have just listed 16 auctions of 
>the 
>current R4 material that is currently circulating around morocco on 
>ebay. 
>All of the auctions have buy it now options so check asap for first 
>choice. 
>When I am in Morocco I usually get first look at the meteorites that 
>are 
>offered for sale so you might want to be first to do the same with 
>my ebay auctions in order to get best pickings. 
>Cheers 
>DEAN 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Article wanted

[Matteo Chinellato]

Hello

I have find this online where is possible go to the
Meteoritics article
http://home.wanadoo.nl/dms/meteorites/mbale/mbale.html
Regards

Matteo

--- Rob and Colleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all-
> I am in search of a copy of the article:
> The Mbale meteorite shower. Meteoritics. vol. 29 no.
> 2. March 1994. pp.
> 246-254
> Can anyone out there provide me with a photocopy,
> back issue, or on-line
> archive?
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> --
> Rob Wesel
> --
> We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of
> the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
> 
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[meteorite-list] Strange Martian Surface Feature

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, List,

Ok, it's a little off topic, but... A friend of mine belongs
to a group one of whom found the following site displaying an
image of a Martian surface feature:

This site is one maintained by a notorious whacko and
fringe-theorist, Hoagland, the author of Monuments of Mars, so I
told them he was a nutcase; forget it. And they properly came
back me with "Forget about the nutcase; what the Hell is this?"
And I didn't have a good answer. In fact, I don't think I've got
any answer. Enigmatic is the best description I could come up
with and that's just a word for an excuse.
Since the link to the original Mars Observer Narrow Angle
Camera image on the Hoagland site is broken, here's the correct
link for those that want to puzzle over it in greater detail:

Any ideas? What the Hell is this?

Sterling K. Webb


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[meteorite-list] Refined Techniques On Minerals From Meteorites Offers Clues To Earth's Beginnings

[Ron Baalke]

Rutgers

Contact:
Bill Haduch , 732/932-7084, extension 633 
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February 27, 2002 

A refined approach to measuring time offers clues to Earth's beginnings 

NEW BRUNSWICK/PISCATAWAY, N.J. -- Researchers using refined techniques
to study minerals from meteorites now believe it took about 20 million
years for the Earth to coalesce from the materials already gathered
around our sun as the solar system. Recent estimates had pegged the
interval closer to 50 million years. 

Brigitte Zanda-Hewins, an adjunct member of the graduate faculty at
Rutgers department of geological sciences and associate professor at
the mineralogy laboratory of the Muséum National d'Histoire Naturelle
in Paris, is among a group of researchers publishing its findings in
the international journal "Science," on Mar. 1. 

The group studied radioactive forms of the elements niobium and
zirconium found in samples of meteorites. Because meteorites are the
oldest objects of our solar system available for study, scientists
use their components as a kind of "radioactive chronometer" to help
estimate time intervals separating events during the formation of
the solar system, including the formation of the Earth. 

While recent attempts to use the niobium-zirconium "chronometer" had
produced the 50-million-year estimate, Zanda-Hewins said the new
20-million-year figure is the result of performing mineral
separations in the samples for the first time, and using extreme
precautions to maintain the purity of the samples. Researchers used
special processing equipment, anti-contamination air flow and
filters, magnetic separation devices and a wide range of chemical
separation techniques to avoid any interference by foreign materials. 

"We designed an extremely careful approach to separate the minerals
and isolate the right ones," she said. The method is described in
the article entitled "Niobium-Zirconium Chronometry and Early Solar
System Development." 

Zanda-Hewins' co-authors are Maria Schönbächler, Mark Rehkämper, Alex
N. Halliday and Der-Chuen Lee of ETH Zurich Institute of Isotope
Geology and Mineral Resources; Bodo Hattendorf and Detlef Günther
of ETH Zurich Laboratory of Inorganic Chemistry; and Michèle
Bourot-Denise of the Muséum National d'Histoire Naturelle in Paris. 

Besides her work at Rutgers, Zanda-Hewins is well-known as a Paris-
based geologist who helps coordinate distribution of meteorite samples
for scientific study around the world. She is the author of the 2001
book "Meteorites: Their Impact on Science and History." 





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Re: [meteorite-list] "As the Eagle Butte turns"

[Charlie Devine]

Tracy,

You can probably post a stronger negative without fear of getting a
negative in return, and, even if you got a neg in return, you're able to
post a rebuttal.  If it were me, and of course it's not me so it's easy
for me to say, I would say something like:  "Turned out to be slag. Very
disappointing".  If he shows up again on ebay, which I'm doubting right
now, your negative feedback would be at the top of his feedback profile
for all to see and should help alot.

Best wishes,
Charlie


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I wonder if it would do any good to post a negative or at least a neutral
comment in his feedback regarding this fraud (for lack of a better term.
I doubt I can prove the seller knowingly tried to pass off slag as a
meteorite, but I feel this must be a scam.)  Something to the effect of
"I am submitting this rock to XYZ for independent verification."  I'm
willing to burn the feedback, if it keeps anyone else
from making the same error.

Tracy Latimer
--Tired of turning the other  cheek--


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