Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869
Mateeo.. the piece I got from you looked different from others I got.. Yours was Black and the others were more red.. Is it the same meteorite? or just different pieces of the same? Rosie - Original Message - From: Matteo Chinellato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869 Hello all Sorry but I have a new classification for this type of chondrite from the pieces I have sent for analysis, is L3/4.4 Regards Matteo --- dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the tkw for nwa869? Thanks, Rex I had just over 500 kilos and I have another 70 kilos in morocco so I went through around 600 kilos of NWA869 myself. I have 50 or 60 kilos here now and so I still have well over 100 kilos from the original 600 that I originally had. Other dealers have more including some that are obviously from the same fall but sold as something different because of a belief that some samples are much better than the L5 classification that will appear in the meteoritical bulletin. The inclusion like things are fairly rare so I can see it being missed during classification if the sample that was used to make the thin section never had one of the inclusions. Look at this photo: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/aa-nwa869b.jpg The bottom half is typical NWA869 but the top part looks like a totally different meteorite. This one dont show it but many samples have what appear to be black or whitish inclusions. I am going travelling next week but I can send a kilo of uncut specimens to anybody who paypals me $200 over the weekend. For $230 I will cut the kilo of specimens in two or for $300 a kilo I will cut you 40 to 60 gram (On Average) slices (And of course the two endpieces per stone). No guarantees of anything unusual but I will send you a photo of the uncut specimens as they looked before I cut them so that I cant cherry pick them and decide after I cut them which ones to send you - so you would have as much a chance to get the inclusion looking things as if you cut them yourself. Just paypal me if you want them as I have plenty to fill any orders. I will cover postage to the US (which cost $11) but other countries add $15 for postage (Which cost about $26 to $28 so I am getting the same price no matter where they are being sent) Cheers DEAN _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869
Hello List, I'm probably wrong here, so please help me out here. Lets get it out open for everyone...which ones are we talking about here that maybe paired with 869. I've been wondering about this group for awhile now. NWA 869 paired with NWA 900 ? NWA 904 ? NWA 905 ? Are there others that might match up? At times, I think NWA 787 (L6) looks like a close (differentiated) cousin to 869. Could a large enough meteor have all these petrological possibilities within different zones of the original large mass (prior to breaking up)... in theory I suppose. One piece looking like an L5 or L6, and another L3/4.4 (Matteo is this correct for yours...and which NWA # of yours is it?) Zag comes to mind being a H3-6. Obviously this mean that some chondrules are 3's and others are differentiated all the way to 6. Can you see these differences in one slice or is it different from piece to piece? Could that the same for 869 and its brothers? By the way...I have pieces (NWA's) of all the above, and I think each one is very nice material and at first glance they look about the same. Crusts are slightly different in some cases...but could that be from the desert effects in different locales? Thanx for reading, John Divelbiss - Original Message - From: Matteo Chinellato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869 Hello all Sorry but I have a new classification for this type of chondrite from the pieces I have sent for analysis, is L3/4.4 Regards Matteo --- dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the tkw for nwa869? Thanks, Rex I had just over 500 kilos and I have another 70 kilos in morocco so I went through around 600 kilos of NWA869 myself. I have 50 or 60 kilos here now and so I still have well over 100 kilos from the original 600 that I originally had. Other dealers have more including some that are obviously from the same fall but sold as something different because of a belief that some samples are much better than the L5 classification that will appear in the meteoritical bulletin. The inclusion like things are fairly rare so I can see it being missed during classification if the sample that was used to make the thin section never had one of the inclusions. Look at this photo: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/aa-nwa869b.jpg The bottom half is typical NWA869 but the top part looks like a totally different meteorite. This one dont show it but many samples have what appear to be black or whitish inclusions. I am going travelling next week but I can send a kilo of uncut specimens to anybody who paypals me $200 over the weekend. For $230 I will cut the kilo of specimens in two or for $300 a kilo I will cut you 40 to 60 gram (On Average) slices (And of course the two endpieces per stone). No guarantees of anything unusual but I will send you a photo of the uncut specimens as they looked before I cut them so that I cant cherry pick them and decide after I cut them which ones to send you - so you would have as much a chance to get the inclusion looking things as if you cut them yourself. Just paypal me if you want them as I have plenty to fill any orders. I will cover postage to the US (which cost $11) but other countries add $15 for postage (Which cost about $26 to $28 so I am getting the same price no matter where they are being sent) Cheers DEAN _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869
Hello all Of this meteorite I have many similar pieces under others numbers - Nom Com no want give separately numbers, probably after the analysis give a unique number - type NWA 900, NWA 975, NWA 1189, and the NWA 075 no official number you see in my sale site, and others. From the analysis have from my pieces is exit the info is a chondrite L3/4.4 or L3.8/L6 or L3.8 with clast type L6 or black. I have see others pieces from M.Franco and from others moroccan dealers in the Bologna show, this meteorite have a high total mass. The NWA 900 is in analysis in Maz Planck Mainz and I am under waith the analysis. Regards Matteo --- John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, I'm probably wrong here, so please help me out here. Lets get it out open for everyone...which ones are we talking about here that maybe paired with 869. I've been wondering about this group for awhile now. NWA 869 paired with NWA 900 ? NWA 904 ? NWA 905 ? Are there others that might match up? At times, I think NWA 787 (L6) looks like a close (differentiated) cousin to 869. Could a large enough meteor have all these petrological possibilities within different zones of the original large mass (prior to breaking up)... in theory I suppose. One piece looking like an L5 or L6, and another L3/4.4 (Matteo is this correct for yours...and which NWA # of yours is it?) Zag comes to mind being a H3-6. Obviously this mean that some chondrules are 3's and others are differentiated all the way to 6. Can you see these differences in one slice or is it different from piece to piece? Could that the same for 869 and its brothers? By the way...I have pieces (NWA's) of all the above, and I think each one is very nice material and at first glance they look about the same. Crusts are slightly different in some cases...but could that be from the desert effects in different locales? Thanx for reading, John Divelbiss - Original Message - From: Matteo Chinellato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869 Hello all Sorry but I have a new classification for this type of chondrite from the pieces I have sent for analysis, is L3/4.4 Regards Matteo --- dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the tkw for nwa869? Thanks, Rex I had just over 500 kilos and I have another 70 kilos in morocco so I went through around 600 kilos of NWA869 myself. I have 50 or 60 kilos here now and so I still have well over 100 kilos from the original 600 that I originally had. Other dealers have more including some that are obviously from the same fall but sold as something different because of a belief that some samples are much better than the L5 classification that will appear in the meteoritical bulletin. The inclusion like things are fairly rare so I can see it being missed during classification if the sample that was used to make the thin section never had one of the inclusions. Look at this photo: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/aa-nwa869b.jpg The bottom half is typical NWA869 but the top part looks like a totally different meteorite. This one dont show it but many samples have what appear to be black or whitish inclusions. I am going travelling next week but I can send a kilo of uncut specimens to anybody who paypals me $200 over the weekend. For $230 I will cut the kilo of specimens in two or for $300 a kilo I will cut you 40 to 60 gram (On Average) slices (And of course the two endpieces per stone). No guarantees of anything unusual but I will send you a photo of the uncut specimens as they looked before I cut them so that I cant cherry pick them and decide after I cut them which ones to send you - so you would have as much a chance to get the inclusion looking things as if you cut them yourself. Just paypal me if you want them as I have plenty to fill any orders. I will cover postage to the US (which cost $11) but other countries add $15 for postage (Which cost about $26 to $28 so I am getting the same price no matter where they are being sent) Cheers DEAN _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via
[meteorite-list] sikhote-alin newspaper
Not much of an article. Not sure why either. Russia was not on good = terms with the Americans after the war but the Berlin Wall was not = built untill 1961. So why take 4 months to tell the world in two lines = that a meteorite fell? Any thoughts? Mark Bostick Hi Mark, Relations were strained well before the wall was build. The Berlin Blockade (after which followed the famous Berlin airbridge) started only 1.5 years after Sikhote-Alin, in the summer of 1948. Marco __ Snel en gemakkelijk mailen? Gebruik Wanadoo Webmail || http://www.wanadoo.nl/webmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] cumberland falls
Hi list. It seems like I'm looking for everything. Well not true, only things that tickle my fancy. I'm looking for a nice 2 to 4 gram slice of CUMBERLAND FALLS! Does anyone have any forsale or trade??? Please let me know! Have a great day from the Windy city! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Collecting Meteorites since,June, 1999!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869
Hello Matteo, I think you probably mean L3.4/4, not L3/4.4?? Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Matteo Chinellato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869 Hello all Sorry but I have a new classification for this type of chondrite from the pieces I have sent for analysis, is L3/4.4 Regards Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869
Hi John and all, Many of the parent bodies have yet to be identify to the many of the meteorites we have accumulated here on Earth. However there are some suspect parent bodies which have been identified by spectral matches to the asteroids and meteorites. One such match is asteroid Hebe for the H type chondrites. It is obvious from looking at Hebe's surface that it has a variation in spectra as the asteroid rotates representing the different metamorphism (classes) we see from the change in olivine to pyroxene ratio. No doubt the asteroid had a large enough impact at one time to knock it apart allowing the more differentiated classes to show up on the outside, and some of the outer part of the asteroid became buried in the interior as it reassembled into a rubble pile asteroid. It isn't uncommon for H type chondrites to have brecciation of various different classes all in one meteorite. A good example of this is Zag (H3-6) and Noblesville, Indiana an H4 chondrite with H6 clasts. Probably why we get so many of the H type chondrite material now is we are living at a time when the results of the impacts which have been migrating to us over the eons have finally made their way to fall at a constant rate. If we lived in a different time many years from now or very long ago then perhaps and most likely we would sample some other type of meteorite falls. Perhaps it wouldn't be uncommon for some rare type meteorite (to us) to fall at a regular more consistent rate. How does this tie into NWA 869. As stated earlier we don't know all of the parent bodies yet (a good reason for funding to NASA to build a craft to visit as many asteroids as we can) However there is one asteroid of about 7 km in diameter that resides in the main belt and may be related to the L type chondrites and a possible parent body though a very weak link. Asteroid 3628 Boznemcova exhibits spectral qualities to the L's and LL's. It is obviously too small to be a complete asteroid and has been suggested it is a fragment of a much larger asteroid. Perhaps this might be what is left of the NWA 869 and other L type meteorites and why we sample a steady rate of L type chondrites. Beside these parent bodies, we are fairly sure of the Vesta and HED type meteorite connections as well as the Martian (SNC), and lunar meteorite to Moon connections. It's what makes reading about and research on meteorites so exciting and trying to figure out all of the complicated puzzles they present to us. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GREAT SALE
Hello everybody, I have great news. A Colorado Meteorite Collector with a huge collection has finally run out of room. He has asked me to sell his duplicates for him, and I am delighted because it is just a great assortment of pieces with something for everyone. We are not talking about a handful of pieces here, but about well over 200 pieces, from Bencubbin to Divnoe, from Mayo Belwa to the Lunar Highlands, from named and type pieces like Mighei to unclassified NWAs. There are all sizes from sub-gram micromounts to a plate-size slice of Barratta. And there are all prices, from low 2 digits, to 5 digits,.. and then there is the Moon. So many that I can't possibly list them all here. So, if you are interested, please tell me off-List and I will e-mail the complete list to you. Thank you, I hope to hear from all of you soon. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Girgenti For Sale
Hello all I have traded a piece of Girgenti Italian Fall and cut in slices, if interested I send the list with prices and weights. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite stolen in Denmark.
Hello An iron-meteorite has been stolen from a show on the Experimentarium near Copenhagen.. The meteorite has a weight on nearly 3 kg, it meassures 7x7x26 cm, and it comes from Arizona. There is offered a reward on 20.000 d.kr.(about 2500 $) for information that could bring the meteorite back. Theese informations comes from Danish newspapers and TV. With regards Henning Thøgersen Denmark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869
Al, Your point is well taken on the source aspect of this discussion. As with any type, no matter the name or number assigned to it...there is good chance they are from the same asteroid. HED's from Vesta, etc. I just looked at the group I have and quite frankly it is not easy to say they are different materials. Even under the scope. Yet I see the reports of L4 or L5 for NWA 869, L6 for 787, now L3.4/4 for 900, and similar suspicions for 995 (not 905 that I listed in earlier message). Thin sections of each one may help...but as Dean has stated, his section may have thrown off the evaluation of his sample relative to its true petrologic type. All this makes me wonder about the process and accuracy of identifying a particular fall or find. As I understand it, the boundaries between H's and L's can be somewhat blurred when metal and iron contents are in the transition percentage levels. All the more bewildering. I'm glad I'm not assigning these things. How does one know when he or she has got it right? Personally I'm going like them all for being rocks from space. With that in mind is seems silly to argue between one fall or # versus another with mine is different than yours... when at first look they do not appear to be any different. I will however be cautious of paying too much for so called petrological type of 3's and 4's when it isn't obvious. I'll stick with do I like it or want it or not, relative to the price it is offered at ?. Thanx again Al for response, John Divelbiss - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Matteo Chinellato [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] nwa869 Hi John and all, Many of the parent bodies have yet to be identify to the many of the meteorites we have accumulated here on Earth. However there are some suspect parent bodies which have been identified by spectral matches to the asteroids and meteorites. One such match is asteroid Hebe for the H type chondrites. It is obvious from looking at Hebe's surface that it has a variation in spectra as the asteroid rotates representing the different metamorphism (classes) we see from the change in olivine to pyroxene ratio. No doubt the asteroid had a large enough impact at one time to knock it apart allowing the more differentiated classes to show up on the outside, and some of the outer part of the asteroid became buried in the interior as it reassembled into a rubble pile asteroid. It isn't uncommon for H type chondrites to have brecciation of various different classes all in one meteorite. A good example of this is Zag (H3-6) and Noblesville, Indiana an H4 chondrite with H6 clasts. Probably why we get so many of the H type chondrite material now is we are living at a time when the results of the impacts which have been migrating to us over the eons have finally made their way to fall at a constant rate. If we lived in a different time many years from now or very long ago then perhaps and most likely we would sample some other type of meteorite falls. Perhaps it wouldn't be uncommon for some rare type meteorite (to us) to fall at a regular more consistent rate. How does this tie into NWA 869. As stated earlier we don't know all of the parent bodies yet (a good reason for funding to NASA to build a craft to visit as many asteroids as we can) However there is one asteroid of about 7 km in diameter that resides in the main belt and may be related to the L type chondrites and a possible parent body though a very weak link. Asteroid 3628 Boznemcova exhibits spectral qualities to the L's and LL's. It is obviously too small to be a complete asteroid and has been suggested it is a fragment of a much larger asteroid. Perhaps this might be what is left of the NWA 869 and other L type meteorites and why we sample a steady rate of L type chondrites. Beside these parent bodies, we are fairly sure of the Vesta and HED type meteorite connections as well as the Martian (SNC), and lunar meteorite to Moon connections. It's what makes reading about and research on meteorites so exciting and trying to figure out all of the complicated puzzles they present to us. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gold Basin - A Difficult Meteorite to Find
Hello Everyone, Was I the only one who didn't know that Gold Basin Specimens are "very hard to come by"...? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2119268225 -Walter ---Walter Branch, Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA 31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin - A Difficult Meteorite to Find
Hey Walter, You had better jump on that monster of a specimen. It may be the last you ever see of this "hard to come by" meteorite, Gold Basin. Bid high and bid often. LOL ;-) Best Regards, Paul In a message dated 7/6/2002 10:09:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Everyone, Was I the only one who didn't know that Gold Basin Specimens are "very hard to come by"...? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2119268225 -Walter
[meteorite-list] Meteorite May Have Caused Flash That Alarmed Israeli Pilot, Ukraine Says
http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0562_BC_Ukraine-IsraeliPlanenewsnewsflash-international Meteorite may have caused flash that alarmed Israeli pilot, Ukraine says The Associated Press July 6, 2002 KIEV, Ukraine (AP) -- A meteorite may have caused the flash that alarmed an Israeli pilot flying over Ukraine, Ukrainian officials said Saturday, insisting it was not a missile. An El Al pilot reported seeing a missile fired from the ground over central Ukraine during a Tel Aviv-Moscow flight on Thursday night. Israeli officials said the missile exploded a few miles from the plane. Pilots of two other planes flying over the Dnipropetrovsk region reported seeing a big blue fireball that resembled a missile explosion at the same time, the ITAR-Tass and Interfax news agencies cited Ukrainian aviation officials as saying Saturday. The incident was a sensitive issue in the Ukraine because in October, an errant missile fired from a Ukrainian military base shot down a Russian plane, killing all 78 people on board, most of them immigrants to Israel. On Saturday, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry issued a statement saying that no missiles had been fired in the area that night and that the pilots may have witnessed a meteorite entering the Earth's atmosphere. Officials from Ukraine's National Space Agency also suggested a meteorite could have been the culprit, as did Yaroslav Skalko, deputy chairman of Ukraine's civil aviation department, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported. The airplane crews who saw over Ukrainian territory on July 4 a flash that resembled a missile explosion were observing phenomena of unidentified origin not related to the activities of the Ukrainian armed forces, the Defense Ministry statement said. The ministry said the stocks of missiles and other long-range ammunition have been inspected and nothing is missing, according to ITAR-Tass and Interfax. Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma said Friday that no missile-firing exercises had been held in Ukraine since the October crash. Israeli officials were especially concerned about the incident because it came the same day that an Egyptian immigrant shot and killed two people at the El Al's ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Caused Israeli Plane Alert
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_2107000/2107710.stm 'Meteor' caused Israeli plane alert BBC News July 6, 2002 Ukrainian officials say the strong flash reported by the pilot of an Israeli plane over Ukraine on Thursday was probably caused by a meteor entering the atmosphere. In a statement on Saturday, the Ukrainian defence ministry said no missiles had been fired in the area at the time. The pilot had reported seeing what he believed to have been a missile exploding in mid-air at a distance from his aircraft. Last year, 78 people died when a Russian airliner flying from Israel was hit over Ukraine by what was believed to have been a stray missile fired during a military exercise. The Israeli Government said the El Al plane was never in danger during the latest incident. Flash Specialists with the Ukraine Space Agency have concluded that it was probably a light phenomenon resulting from a meteor's entry into the earth's atmosphere, Ukraine defence ministry spokesman Kostyantyn Khivreno told AFP news agency. Mr Kvirenko said the Ukrainian forces had nothing to do with this. We have checked all our missiles, and I can tell you they are all there, the AFP quoted him as saying. The airplane crews who saw over Ukrainian territory on July 4 a flash that resembled a missile explosion were observing phenomena of unidentified origin not related to the activities of the Ukrainian armed forces, the statement said. Thursday night's reported incident occurred during a regular El Al flight from Tel Aviv to Moscow. The pilot saw a strong flash at a distance while flying over Dnipropetrovsk in Ukraine, El Al said. A Russian pilot, flying a Urals Airlines plane, told Ukrainian air traffic controllers that he had also seen a strong flash, according to AFP news agency. 'Absurd' But Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma said the suggestion that the incident involved a Ukrainian missile was absurd. After last year's unfortunate incident, firing missiles is totally banned in Ukraine, he said. In October last year, a Tu-154 plane operated by Sibir airlines flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk in Siberia exploded in mid-air over Ukraine, before crashing into the Black Sea. All those on board - most of them Israelis - were killed. After repeated denials, the Ukrainian defence ministry conceded that one of its ground-to-air missiles had brought the aircraft down. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] El Al Pilot Says Ukrainian Missile Exploded Close To Plane (Meteor Suspected)
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=183775contrassID=1subContrassID=7sbSubContrassID=0listSrc=Y El Al pilot says Ukrainian missile exploded close to plane By Zoahr Blumenkrantz and Yossi Melman Ha'aretz Daily (Israel) July 6, 2002 The pilot of an El Al flight from Tel Aviv to Moscow reported seeing a ground-to-air missile pass close to his plane while flying over eastern Ukriane Friday morning. I have seen missiles explode in my life and I know how to tell the difference between an exploding missile and the sunrise, said the pilot of the El Al Boeing 757. Three Russian pilots confirmed Saturday they had seen a sizeable flash in the same area. The pilot of a Ukrainian plane also reported seeing a flash in the sky at the time. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said Ukraine had not conducted any missile launches since accidentally downing a Russian airliner on a flight last October from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk in Siberia, killing 78 passengers and crew. Many of the passengers were new immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union. The El Al pilot was questioned on the incident by Transportation Minister Ephraim Sneh, who has ordered the Civil Aviation Authority to cooperate with the Russian and Ukrainian aviation bodies in investigating the matter. Israel has also asked the U.S. for assistance in looking into the incident. Ukrainian government officials told Israeli officials Friday that it was prepared to work with Israel in its investigation of the incident. With the announcement, Ukrainian officials were not denying the possibility that they were connected to the incident, but said they had thoroughly investigated the matter and found no connection. One explanation offered by the Ukrainians is that the flash of light was a meteorite. Sneh said Friday that the Israeli plane had never been in any danger and voiced doubts it had come under attack, though his ministry views the Ukrainian denials that no missiles were fired very skeptically. Sneh said of the El Al pilot, whom he described as an experienced combat veteran of the Israel Air Force that there is no doubt that he saw a missile that exploded in the air, apparently far from the plane, Sneh told Army Radio. Circumstances suggest it was not launched at the El Al plane. Public Security Minister Uzi Landau, who is in the Ukraine on a working visit, is also looking into the matter, an met over the weekend with the Israeli ambassador as well as the head of the Ukrainian security services. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A POSSIBLE meteorite fall in Ukraine?
This is from a recent post to the Meteorobs Web site: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:44:14 +0400 From: Andrei Ol'khovatov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (meteorobs) A meteorite fall in Ukraine? Dear All, There is some chances that there could be a meteorite fall in Ukraine on July 4. Initially reports, including mass-media were that a pilot of Israel airlines [EL AL] flight from Tel Aviv to Moscow flying over Ukraine saw a possible missile launch. Yesterday evening explanations appeared (and I made some input in them e-mailing to various authorities) that it could has been a natural event, and a meteoroidal bolide is one of possible natural explanations. Today Ukranean authorities informed this, as a possible meteorite, but investigation still continues. Unfortunately, info about the event is very sparse- (even a couple in total of witness's account are distorted second-handed), despite my attempts to obtain it. The time seems to be about 19.35 GMT July 4, 2002, coordinates (roughly) - somewhere 48 N 36 E I am trying to get more info on the event, and post updates. Best wishes, Andrei - The archive and Web site for the Meteorobs list is at http://www.meteorobs.org -- From meteorobs-digest V4 #941 ** __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
