[meteorite-list] getting around in tucson

2003-01-19 Thread STEVE ARNOLD
Hey there list. When I get to tucson, I was wondering, how am I going to get from place to place? Shuttle? Bus? Cab? Walk? Someone driving me?I do not plan to rent a car.I need suggestions please.
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Request for help

2003-01-19 Thread Rosemary Hackney
Can someone Help Jon  with his addy change...message below ...  Thanks

Rosie
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From: "J. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rosemary Hackney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Request for help


> Hello Rosemary,
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> I had to drop from the Meteorite Central list due to my ISP mail filter 
> kicking back too many messages.  I sent the following subscription 
> request back in December, but still haven't gotten back on the list.
> I wnated to get the list mail at my other email address 
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> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:40:40 -0500
> From: "J FOX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: subscribe
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> I am changing email addresses.  I was subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Thanks
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> Can I ask you to post this email to the list, and ask what the problem 
> may be?   Thank you for your assistance.
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> Best regards,
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> Jon Fox
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Re: [meteorite-list] etching irons with ferric chloride

2003-01-19 Thread Jeff Stephens
Howdy Listers,

Just wanted to thank everyone that replied.  I got great advise, and my 
first set of etched pieces since your replies look teriffic.  Here's a 
recap of the feedback I got, both on and off list.  (this is the 
condensed version):

* Radio Shack PCB Etchant (Ferric Chloride) etches very quickly, and 
degrades foam brushes quickly, too.  Diluting helps slow the etch, 
giving you more control, but dilute with 91% (or higher) isopropyl 
alcohol, NOT water.
* For Gibeon's fine octahedrite structure, 600 grit sanding is most 
probably sufficient.  Don't be afraid to go higher, either.  Anything 
less that 600, and you'll lose quality on the etch.
* My muddy patches around trollite were due to the water I was adding to 
the FeCl3.

Thanks to all that offered help; I hope others will benefit from this 
aggregation of your responses!

Jeff


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Howdy Folks,

I'm a bit new to the meteorite world, and when I read Jim Hartman's
Meteorites 101 a couple months ago about etching irons, I had to give it a
try.

I've been etching and re-etching a gibeon slice that I had (with some
visible blade marks that I wanted to grind out), and finally think I'm
getting close to a good etch.

However, I keep getting clouds or haze around trollite inclusions.  The
"rubbing" step seems to help this, but no amount of rubbing makes it fully
go away.

I'm following Jim's instructions as religiously as I know how (including
using hot running tap water - something I was afraid of at first).  I'm
diluting my radio shack etchant about 1:4. Also, I'm only sanding to 400
grit, not 600 or 1200 like some suggest.

Anyone else seen this kind of problem?

Thanks in advance for the help,

Jeff



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Re: [meteorite-list] Sad day for astronomy

2003-01-19 Thread Ron Baalke
The fire in Canberra has already claimed four lives and about 400 homes.
The weather forecast in the coming week is not good, continued hot weather
and winds.  One of the Deep Space Network tracking stations is located
near Canberra, but thus far I haven't heard of any damages to the facility.

Ron Baalke


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[meteorite-list] Sad day for astronomy

2003-01-19 Thread Geoffcin
All,

I've just received this email. One of the worlds greatest observatories has been totally destroyed.

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Fires destroy Stromlo observatory;

Irreplaceable equipment worth millions of dollars was destroyed when the
Canberra bushfires ravaged the historic Mount Stromlo Observatory.

Research officer Vince Ford, a 38-year veteran of the observatory, told AAP
staff were given 20 minutes' notice to evacuate as a fire storm on Mount
Stromlo caught authorities by surprise. A single road through pine forests
links the observatory, established by the Commonwealth in 1924, with suburban
Canberra.

"There's no way we could have saved it," Mr Ford said.

The fire storm destroyed all the observatory's telescopes and the original
observatory building, which dated back to 1924.

"It's gone, it's all gone," Mr Ford said. 

"We've lost all the telescopes, the administration building, which was the
original observatory back in 1924.

"The first telescope has actually been there since 1910, it's gone.

"The main research telescopes, the 74-inch and 50-inch, they're gone. I've 
just
seen pictures of it from the air and we don't have a telescope left."

The Australian National University (ANU) facility was one the premier 
astronomy
training and research centres in Australia.

"(It's a huge loss) from a historical point of view, from a cultural point of
view, from a scientific point of view," Mr Ford said. "It's an absolute
disaster."

Observatory staff still hope they may be able to salvage some of their
research, stored on computers in office buildings that might have escaped the
worst of the blaze.

The observatory offices are believed to be standing, but have been water
damaged.

"At least we should be able to recover the hard disks from some of the
computers, but at this stage we're guessing," Mr Ford said.

"All we know is the observatory is gone."

Some back-up files would also have been stored at the main ANU campus in
Canberra.

"But a lot of the work will be at the observatory," Mr Ford said.

"Some of us, being suspicious sods, have stuff at home, but most of it would
have been on the computers or in the offices up at the observatory."

ANU vice-chancellor Ian Chubb was due to meet observatory chiefs to be briefed
on the extent of the damage.

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[meteorite-list] Fireball Watch: Starshine 3 To Re-enter Earth's Atmosphere

2003-01-19 Thread Ron Baalke


Space Weather News for January 19, 2003
http://www.spaceweather.com

The glittering Starshine 3 satellite, built by schoolkids and launched in
Sept. 2001, will soon re-enter Earth's atmosphere. Can you spot the
fireball? Re-entry estimates vary from 0500 UT (midnight EST) to 1330 UT
(8:30 EST) on Tuesday, Jan. 21st. Although Starshine is likely to re-enter
above some unpopulated stretch of ocean, the satellite's final orbit does
carry it over North America and eastern Europe where sky watchers might
see it.

"There's no danger to anyone on the ground," says Prof. Gil Moore, the
director of Project Starshine. "We designed the satellite so that it will
be 100% consumed about 80 km up." Except for a few small steel screws the
body of the spacecraft is made entirely of aluminum--a substance that will
vaporize during the bright and fiery descent.

Visit spaceweather.com for more information about Starshine 3 as well as
links to the latest re-entry predictions (they will improve between now
and Tuesday) and photo tips, too!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Another Possible Lunar??

2003-01-19 Thread Randy Mils

I wish I had a dollar for every possible Lunar, Martian, Mercury, etc.  meteorite that I have seen posted to this list.
Time will tell the true classification.
Randy


 get 2 months FREE* 

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[meteorite-list] Another Possible Lunar??

2003-01-19 Thread Nelson Oakes
Hi Everyone, Aziz and I have another possible Lunar. Pics are at
www.meteorites-r-us.com and are listed as "Possible Lunar". I'll be
bringing this to Tucson for your views and comments!(Yes, It will also
be scientifically tested, unfortunately not as quicklyas Tucson is
here!!) Thanks Nels

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[meteorite-list] Martian Ejection Ages (Part 2)

2003-01-19 Thread Bernd Pauli HD
Adam Hupe wrote:

> I am betting that NWA 998 has a different ejection date
> and crystallization age than the other five Nakhlites.
> The isotope data is proving to be very interesting and
> was announced at the 65th Meteoritical Society meeting.


... and pre-atmospheric sizes of martian meteorites:

a) The authors estimate the minimum masses of the martian
   meteoroids to have been in the range of 150–220 kg.

b) The 36Cl concentration in Los Angeles is consistent with
   a meteoroid radius of 20–40 cm.

c) The 10Be, 26Al, and 36Cl activities in QUE 94201 indicate a  
   pre-atmospheric radius of 25–40 cm.

d) For Shergotty, Bhandari et al. (1986) obtained from the 26Al  
   concentration an effective radius of ~12 cm of the meteoroid,
   about half the value of 23 cm calculated by Eugster et al.

e) Density of the shergottites, Nakhla, and Chassigny is about
   3.23, 3.37, and 3.72 g/cm3.

f) Model calculations of the upper limit of the radius of
   fragments ejected from Mars yield radii of <2 m.


Don’t these data ring a bell? The next step for meteoriticists
(and several people on our List) could be to compare the existing/
recovered masses - especially of documented falls, of course, like
Shergotty, Chassigny, Zagami, and Naklha (Watch out, the Nakhla Dog
is back in town :-) - to these minimum pre-atmospheric sizes and
thus masses. (Model) calculations involving the physics of the falls
(heating and ablation, velocity, deceleration, entry angle, strewn
field geometry, etc., etc.) might then give us a clue as to if
there is still more recoverable material out there. In the case of
Shergotty and Chassigny, most if any at all, may have weathered away
in the meantime, but Zagami and Nakhla ... Well, we all know that up
to 90 % of a meteorite’s mass is lost to ablation which would be close
to Zagami’s total recovered mass of about 18.1 kg (well within the 150 -
220 kg interval mentioned by Eugster et al. - 10% => 15-22 kg) but
remember the authors say they are minimum masses!

If only the discrepancy between the upper limit and
the lower limit of the radii wasn’t so huge :-(


Best martian
regards,

Bernd


Reference

EUGSTER O. et al. (2002) Ejection ages from 81Kr-83Kr
dating and pre-atmospheric sizes of martian meteorites
(MAPS 37-10, 2002, 1345-1360)

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[meteorite-list] Stolen Chilean Meteorite from the U.C.N. museum

2003-01-19 Thread Rodrigo Martinez
Dear List Colleagues

Last week a Iron meteorite was stolen from the University U.C.N. 
Museum, Chile. Lamentably this meteorite is not classified but their 
approximate dimensions are 40cm height, 15cm diameter and 15kg.
If you have any information or suspect about this Chilean meteorite please 
contact me.
Only with yuor help we have a possibility of return this piece to the 
museum.  Thank.
  
Best Regards

Rodrigo Martinez
Atacama Desert Meteorites
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