Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem and Dar al Gani
Dear Robert, Dar al Gani is the geographical name of a Reg, which is a calcarus plateau located in Libya. I don't know about Jiddat Al Harasis, which is maybe the name of a town or village near by, as Dar al Gani is actually a cry wide area. Best regards. Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem and Dar al Gani I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite. Another thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie Vassiliev, they are fully classified and listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, but I read that the location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its kind like a state in lybia), then why is it named Dar al Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a state or a geological feature? From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem (vs. Kem Kem) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST) --- Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600 Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found near Dahara got a final classification?, last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many internet sites with different classification, including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure. Thanks -- End of Original Message Kem Kem is a region in Morocco. It is not an officially approved meteorite name. Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number of various meteorites, some classified - some not... M-List Archives Search Results - for Kem Kem: Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.ht ml [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.ht ml 11/17/03 Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed ... . Dozens of posts supporting the pleading. Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question (Back to meteorites) about Kem Kem and the NomCom. Nothing. I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino. Nada. ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.ht ml 11/16/03 [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.ht ml 11/15/03 Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on whether this meteorite ever became ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.ht ml 11/15/03 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem and Dar al Gani
Sorry, my previous message about Dar al Gani was to Raphael of course! Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem and Dar al Gani I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite. Another thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie Vassiliev, they are fully classified and listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, but I read that the location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its kind like a state in lybia), then why is it named Dar al Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a state or a geological feature? From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem (vs. Kem Kem) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST) --- Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600 Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found near Dahara got a final classification?, last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many internet sites with different classification, including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure. Thanks -- End of Original Message Kem Kem is a region in Morocco. It is not an officially approved meteorite name. Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number of various meteorites, some classified - some not... M-List Archives Search Results - for Kem Kem: Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.ht ml [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.ht ml 11/17/03 Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed ... . Dozens of posts supporting the pleading. Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question (Back to meteorites) about Kem Kem and the NomCom. Nothing. I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino. Nada. ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.ht ml 11/16/03 [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.ht ml 11/15/03 Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on whether this meteorite ever became ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.ht ml 11/15/03 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] JAH, SAU, DAG Co
Hi Frédéric, Rafael, List, This time Matteo was completely right by stating that Jiddat Al Harasis is a place in Oman, far from Lybia and the DAG plateau. I wish to point out once more such mistakes as some collectors consider a precise locality as very important. I have also seen elsewhere (a web site) such a mistake with Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) also supposed being in Lybia Knowing Sergey and his expertise, not only in meteorites but in their precise locations, I bet it is just an inadvertence or some unwilling mistake from him. In case of doubt, just refer to this superb handy reference that is Meteorites from A to Z (and I am so happy to learn that the new edition is almost issued!) Best wishes, Zelimir At 05:58 14/01/04 +0100, you wrote: Dear Robert, Dar al Gani is the geographical name of a Reg, which is a calcarus plateau located in Libya. I don't know about Jiddat Al Harasis, which is maybe the name of a town or village near by, as Dar al Gani is actually a cry wide area. Best regards. Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem and Dar al Gani I see, thats why Ive seen to many classifications of this meteorite. Another thing, I got several Dar al Gani meteorite from Serguie Vassiliev, they are fully classified and listed in the Meteorite Bulletin, but I read that the location is actually Jiddat Al Harasis (I think its kind like a state in lybia), then why is it named Dar al Gani??? what is Dar al Gani is it a state or a geological feature? From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem (vs. Kem Kem) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:56:18 -0800 (PST) --- Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:14:32 -0600 Hello everybody, does anyone know if Kem Kem found near Dahara got a final classification?, last time I got an H5 chondrite, but Ive seen many internet sites with different classification, including thats its a breccia???...Im not sure. Thanks -- End of Original Message Kem Kem is a region in Morocco. It is not an officially approved meteorite name. Kem Kem is a trade-name used in the sale of a number of various meteorites, some classified - some not... M-List Archives Search Results - for Kem Kem: Documents 1 - 4 of 4 matches. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.ht ml [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... ] Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:50 + Back when I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15907.ht ml 11/17/03 Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed ... . Dozens of posts supporting the pleading. Yesterday Tracy posts a meteorite question (Back to meteorites) about Kem Kem and the NomCom. Nothing. I follow up with a similar inquiry/observation about Bensour, Oum Rokba, and Dronino. Nada. ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15878.ht ml 11/16/03 [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:20:14 -0700 Back when I was first getting into collecting, I purchased a partslice of meteorite that had been labeled as Kem Kem. However, when I got it, I found that a)Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15811.ht ml 11/15/03 Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. ... .. * From: Sharkkb8 * Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Back to meteorites.. * Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:39:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kem Kem was only a provisional name and b) it had not been classified yet. Has anyone heard anything further on whether this meteorite ever became ... http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15823.ht ml 11/15/03 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: [meteorite-list] Nantan at $4.42g??? The world is ending!
I think it's quite amusing, maybe I should part with mine and put a $1000.00 start price on it and see what happens -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: Wed 14/01/2004 02:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [meteorite-list] Nantan at $4.42g??? The world is ending! Hello List, what's going on here, a regular 7g Nantan selling for $31 I don't get it! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2216876822 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 1^zXf)+-1^zXgz i0XwffX)+
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[meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderator art found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also a sheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering who found that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is a really great name. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderator art found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also a sheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering who found that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is a really great name. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
Boxhole is my favorite name !!! Randy From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:26:14 -0800 (PST) Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderator art found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also a sheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering who found that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is a really great name. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 3045
Hello list.You all can view my 2 pieces of NWA 3045 on my individual stone page on my website.I got these 2 whole stones from stefan ralew.They are the 2 best individual pieces I have.Anyone that does not have any should take berhard rems up on his offer to trade for them.They are beautiful pieces.These are what all meteorites should look like.Thanks again stefan. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 - video
Hello Moni and List, We decided several months ago to not produce a video for the 2004 show in Tucson. While we enjoyed the project last year, we found that our labor of love involved more time and money than we had anticipated. We spent most of our time filming, planning, rushing to meet appointments and doing the always required paperwork. There's an old saying, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. This applied to John and Bob too. We spent so much time working at last years show that we didn't have time for any fun or to simply relax. So, this year we've decided to attend as regular meteorite bums and enjoy the time with our friends. Best to all, John and Bob At 06:48 PM 1/13/04 -0800, moni waiblinger-seabridge wrote: Hi Bob Holmes and John Gwilliam and list, will there be a new video made this year at the show? I will have to wait until next year to visit Tucson, but i would really like to purchase another newly made video! I really enjoyed watching last years video and putting some names with their faces! :-) Please let me know if anyone has information on this, thank you, Moni _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
Hello List, Does anyone know if we but a base on the Moon, how will we get there? Can we look forward to seeing a new Rocket, or would we rely on the shuttle? It is time for a new form of space travel!!! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Definitely NOT the shuttleit's not capable, at least in its current configuration, of extended space flight. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
There was talk not long ago that one of the safest and cheapest options (balancing the inefficiencies of the old throw-away technology against the enormous projected costs to bring a new prime mover to operational status) would be to revive the tried-and-true Saturn VB launch vehicle (with 21st-Century stuff up on the pointy end, of course). Mark Hello List, Does anyone know if we but a base on the Moon, how will we get there? Can we look forward to seeing a new Rocket, or would we rely on the shuttle? It is time for a new form of space travel!!! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
Bah! Of all places, one would think that Wyoming would have a sheephole valley, we have none! Predecessors chose not to honor sheep by naming geographic locations, or meteorites after them it appears. :-D In the early 1980's we had over 5 million sheep grazing here. Today there are less than half a million. It seems to be useful to hunt meteorites on those eroded hillsides where the sheep overgrazed. Although I have yet to find meteorites in these areas, the lack of vegetation seems to help the visual searching. Sheephole Valley sounds more Australian to me. Dave F. Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderator art found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also a sheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering who found that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is a really great name. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
Yeah, you guys are lucky with all that open space. Here in Georgia, trees grow through the sidewalks in a matter of minutes. We have so many trees, even in the city of Atlanta, that I haven't seen a sunset in years. I wonder if we're still having them? The humidity doesn't help one find a meteortie either. It turns to rust in a matter of seconds... Okay, maybe I'mexgaggering a tiny bit... Anita ---Original Message--- From: David Freeman Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:34:09 PM To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002 Bah!Of all places, one would think that Wyoming would have a sheephole valley, we have none!Predecessors chose not to honor sheep by naming geographic locations, or meteorites after them it appears.:-DIn the early 1980's we had over 5 million sheep grazing here. Today there are less than half a million. It seems to be useful to hunt meteorites on those eroded hillsides where the sheep overgrazed. Although I have yet to find meteorites in these areas, the lack of vegetation seems to help the visual searching.Sheephole Valley sounds more Australian to me.Dave F.Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderatorart found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also asheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering whofound that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is areally great name. steve arnold, chicago=Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comhttp://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakeshttp://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - January 8-14, 2004
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES January 8-14, 2004 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Mars on 25 December 2003 (Released 08 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/08/index.html o Dust Devils Near Schiaparell (Released 09 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/09/index.html o Frosty North Polar Dunes (Released 10 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/10/index.html o Cratered Hill in Amazonis (Released 11 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/11/index.html o High-resolution View of Gullies (Released 12 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/12/index.html o South Polar Troughs (Released 13 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/13/index.html o Clouds near Phlegra Montes (Released 14 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/14/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Auction update (AD)
Hi All, Just to let you know: 1) Mike and Bill Jensen (co-authors of METEORITES A to Z) will be selling their new edition at my auction in Tucson. This is a chance to get it without the cost of postage and personally autographed, as well. 2) I have 35 or 40 lots listed in my on-line auction catalog, but will be adding another 45 or 50 in the next day or so, including a 59 LB Canyon Diablo and other major specimens and TONS of no min/no reserve items. There will definitely be lots of goodies for all sized pocket books. Check it out at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionOLCat.html Best wishes and looking foreword to seeing you all in TUCSON! Michael -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mexican alcohol
Just wanted to add my two pesos worth re: alcohol from Mexico. I travel there 6-8 times/year (we have a small house in Kino Bay). I too purchase the Puro de caña, sin desnaturalizar, 96%. Translated that is pure 96% cane alcohol, not denatured. In other words, OK to consume. Good side is that if your meteorite work is getting frustrating, you can take a wee nip to sooth your nerves. HOWEVER, I can't recommend it - it's pure fire. And very dangerous to use as a cutting fluid. One small hot spot or spark and you're perhaps looking at re-building your shop or house. As MexicoDoug pointed out, you are allowed one liter of alcoholic beverage per adult (18 or over) per day into the States. The alcohol falls under the same rule, so you cannot purchase one liter of alcohol and one liter of tequila and legally transport them both into the States. Another good side here. If you do try, and get caught, you can pour the alcohol into your gas (not diesel) tank and your engine will run smooth as can be. And yes, the price of tequila has more than doubled in the past few years and though still less expensive than most places in the States, it's not cheap - not even the poor stuff let alone a high quality reposada. Larry Johnson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sheephole valley 002
En un mensaje con fecha 01/14/2004 12:34:47 PM Mexico Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Bah! Of all places, one would think that Wyoming would have a sheephole valley, we have none! Predecessors chose not to honor sheep by naming geographic locations, or meteorites after them it appears.:-D In the early 1980's we had over 5 million sheep grazing here. Today there are less than half a million. Sheephole Valley sounds more Australian to me. Dave F. Hey Dave, I think you Wyomingites could give the Aussies (for monopolizing the names) and Kiwis (for monopolizing the sheep) a run for their money. Last time I went to Jackass Pass near the Gran Teton Mountains, the place was full o' sheep. No Jackasses to be seen, and they even have a Jackass Springs for them, too - one would think Wyoming was full of Jackasses. Anyways, better a Jackson Hole, Jackass Springs and Sheephole Valley than the other nomenclature. I wouldn't want Fred to kick me out of the collector names' contest without even getting a chance to enter it... Saludos, Doug Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello and good morning list.Just a question.I know the our great moderator art found the sheephole valley piece, but I noticed that their is also a sheephole valley 002.There is only 4.4 grams found.Just wondering who found that piece?Was it art or someone else?Just wondering!That is a really great name. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/
[meteorite-list] Re: OT: MOON TRAVEL?
Hello List, Does anyone know if we but a base on the Moon, how will we get there? Can we look forward to seeing a new Rocket, or would we rely on the shuttle? It is time for a new form of space travel!!! From the Presidential Fact Sheet: A Renewed Spirit of Discovery http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040114-1.html Second, the United States will begin developing a new manned exploration vehicle to explore beyond our orbit to other worlds -- the first of its kind since the Apollo Command Module. The new spacecraft, the Crew Exploration Vehicle, will be developed and tested by 2008 and will conduct its first manned mission no later than 2014. The Crew Exploration Vehicle will also be capable of transporting astronauts and scientists to the International Space Station after the Shuttle is retired. This is vague whether it will be something self-propellant, or use an existing expendible rocket type for launch. Yet it does make clear that it will be curtains for Space Shuttle. The same fact sheet mentions that the Shuttles will remain operative with the purpose of finishing building the ISS, and will then be retired. - Marco -- Dr Marco Langbroek Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek weblog: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/iss_log.html -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Home from long trip
Hi everyone, I was in the Middle East with some friends for the last two weeks. We found over 50 new meteorites, and I found my first achondrite! I found 3 large meteorites in less than one hour, one was a beautiful 1.8 kilo double nose coned oriented chondrite, one was a 3.5 kilo chondrite and then the best of my trip, a 1063 gram Ureilite! I will have photos up tomorrow or so. Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] OT Martian weather reports
Does anyone know where one can find "daily" Martian weather reports (if they even exist)? I know they used to offer this with the Mars Global Surveyor up until the end of 2002 I believe but I can't find anything since. Jamie
[meteorite-list] Re: Colorado Fireball 1/11
Hi all There was a fireball reported over Colorado Sunday night.of course I missed it. Cloudbait has a lot of information including a neatgif fileof the fireball. Cloudbait Observatory - January 11, 2004 Fireball If it dropped any meteorites they would bein Denver. Looks like I need to go hunting tomorrow. Mike Mike JensenBill JensenJensen Meteorites16730 E Ada PLAurora, CO 80017-3137303-337-4361Web Site: Jensen Meteorites New Book: Meteorites from A to Z
Re: [meteorite-list] Xenoliths
Hello list!, what is exactly a xenolith?, for example like that of Ghubara. I was reading a paper that says that Ghubara is L5 with dark xenoliths I read L3 in cassificaction and its also a regolith breccia, does the xenoliths have to do with the brecciation process? and regolith means that is from the surface of the asteroid isnt? I have a small Ghubara, about 8 grs, but I dont think its very nice, cuz its just black and my specimen does show any brecciation or at leats I cant identify the xenoliths. 2001 Space Collection Rafael B.Torres _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spirit Ready to Drive Onto Mars Surface
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIFORNIA 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov Guy Webster (818) 354-5011 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202) 358-1547 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. NEWS RELEASE: 2004-19 January 14, 2004 Spirit Ready to Drive Onto Mars Surface NASA's Spirit completed a three-stage turn early today, the last step before a drive planned early Thursday to take the rover off its lander platform and onto martian soil for the first time. We are very excited about where we are today. We've just completed the exploration of our lander and we're ready to explore Mars, said Kevin Burke of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., leader of the engineering team that planned the rover's egress from the lander. We are headed in a north-northwest direction. That is our exit path, and we're sitting just where we want to be. Late tonight, mission managers at JPL plan to send the command for Spirit to drive forward 3 meters (10 feet), enough to get all six wheels onto the soil. After the move, one of the rover's first jobs will be to locate the Sun with its panoramic camera and calculate from the Sun's position how to point its main antenna at Earth, JPL's Jennifer Trosper, mission manager, explained. On Friday, Spirit's science team will take advantage of special possibilities presented by the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter flying almost directly overhead, about 300 kilometers (186 miles) high. Mars Express successfully entered orbit around Mars last month. Spirit will be looking up while Mars Express uses three instruments to look down. This is an historic opportunity, said Dr. Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis, deputy principal investigator for the science instruments on Spirit and on its twin Mars Exploration Rover, Opportunity. The intent is to get observations from above and to get observations from below at the same time to do the best possible job of determining the dynamics of the atmosphere. The Mars Express observations are also expected to supplement earlier information from two NASA Mars orbiters about the surface minerals and landforms in Spirit's neighborhood within Gusev Crater. Mars Express will be looking down with a high-resolution stereo camera, a spectrometer for identifying minerals in infrared and visible wavelengths, and another spectrometer for studying atmospheric circulation and composition. Spirit will be looking up with its panoramic camera and its infrared spectrometer. Dr. Michael Smith of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md., reported how Spirit's miniature thermal emission spectrometer can be used to assess the temperatures in Mars' atmosphere from near the planet's surface to several kilometers or miles high. Spirit's measurements are most sensitive for the lower portion of the atmosphere, while Mars Express' measurements will be most sensitive for the upper atmosphere, he said. Spirit arrived at Mars Jan. 3 (EST and PST; Jan. 4 Universal Time) after a seven-month journey. In coming weeks and months, according to plans, it will be exploring for clues in rocks and soil to decipher whether the past environment in Gusev Crater was ever watery and possibly suitable to sustain life. Opportunity will reach Mars on Jan. 25 (EST and Universal Time; 9:05 p.m., Jan. 24, PST) to begin a similar examination of a site on the opposite side of the planet from Gusev Crater. As of Thursday morning, Opportunity will have flown 438 million kilometers (272 million miles) since launch and will still have 18 million kilometers (11 million miles) to go before landing. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. Images and additional information about the project are available from JPL at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at http://athena.cornell.edu/ -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
In his amazin book "The Millenian Project: Eight Easy Steps to Space Colonizaton" Marshall Savagesuggest that we build a electromagnetic lauch in Kenya to send material up to space. If you haven't read thisbookfind it. It is the best single author plan for space explotation I know. Howard WuTom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Does anyone know if we but a base on the Moon, how will we getthere? Can we look forward to seeing a new Rocket, or would we rely on theshuttle? It is time for a new form of space travel!!!Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Who has an 04 Tucson Guide?
Hi List, Anyone out there have a 2004 Tucson Guide with a minute to look something up for me? Please feel free to respond off-list. Thanks in advance, Maria Haas (Formerly Nelson) _ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who has an 04 Tucson Guide?
Hi Maria Here is the online version of the printed book that is given away for free at the show. It has a search feature. Thought everybody else might want to check it out as well. Mike Mike JensenBill JensenJensen Meteorites16730 E Ada PLAurora, CO 80017-3137303-337-4361Web Site: Jensen Meteorites New Book: Meteorites from A to Z
Re: [meteorite-list] Who has an 04 Tucson Guide?
It would probably help if I included the url Welcome to the Tucson Show Guide - the Greatest Gem, Bead, Mineral, Jewelry Show on Earth!
Re: [meteorite-list] Who has an 04 Tucson Guide?
Hi Mike List, Thanks for the link! Maria Haas (Formerly Nelson) Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who has an 04 Tucson Guide? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:18:36 EST It would probably help if I included the url Welcome to the Tucson Show Guide - the Greatest Gem, Bead, Mineral, Jewelry Show on Earth! _ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SISTER JULIA
Hi list.I just want to say I am looking forward to seeing everyone again in tucson.This year wil be a real treat for me, because I will meet some of the mover and shakers in this great hobby.Like mike cottingham, bob matson, nick gessler,art jones, and even sister julia.I am told that there might be a few from the order.Well I am looking forward to meeting them.I think this will be a great time.3 weeks to go!Have a great night all. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Home from long trip
Mike Wow, nice haul Can't wait to see the pictures. James - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/14/2004 5:07:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Home from long trip Hi everyone, I was in the Middle East with some friends for the last two weeks. We found over 50 new meteorites, and I found my first achondrite! I found 3 large meteorites in less than one hour, one was a beautiful 1.8 kilo double nose coned oriented chondrite, one was a 3.5 kilo chondrite and then the best of my trip, a 1063 gram Ureilite! I will have photos up tomorrow or so. Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] OT Martian weather reports
Jamie, I found this: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/mer_weather/ Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Jim Hartman Email??
David: Jim told me that your emails were going into his spam delete folder without his being aware of it. He has now corrected the problem. I believe he is emailing you re: the problem. Anyone can always get hold of him through me. Ron HartmanProfessor of Astronomy Department of Earth Science AstronomyMt. San Antonio College PLANETARIUM1100 N. Grand AvenueWalnut, CA 91789 Office: 26D-9B (909) 594-5611 Extension 4704 (e-mail preferable for quicker reply)Office hours: Mon. 2-3:30 P.M. Wed. 1-2:30 P.M. and by appt. - Original Message - From: "David Hardy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Jeff Kuyken" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Meteorite List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jim Hartman Email?? You're not the only one. I've been trying for several months myself. David Hardy --- Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day List, Just wondering if anyone has spoken to Jim or has a different email address for him. I've been trying to get in contact since I got back from overseas since late last year. Thanks, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au www.meteoritesaustralia.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? I didn't personally hear the speach, but I assume some of the reasons to use the Moon would be that you can't really build a launch pad type outpost floating in space. The surface of the moon would be better, IMHO. You need places to store parts, assemble the vehicle on firm "ground", house inhabitants, etc. Expanding the ISS is probably vastly more expensive than building an outpost on the Moon (once you get there). Also, I believe they're hoping to manufacture the fuel on the Moon from the hydrogen in thetrapped ice. I believe one of the most expensive parts of any lauch is the amount of weight (i.e., fuel)needed just to get that samesoon-to-be-consumed fuel off the ground. Being able to send an empty vehicle to the Moon, fuel it there and then launch it from the reduced gravity of the Moon would be a tremendous savings of money. Personally I've felt we needed to make an agressive, long term commitment to something (!!) for a long time. No offense, but I feel NASA has been prostituted over the last decade or two and relegated to pandering to the public's cause du jour. I mean come ona multi-billion dollar vehicle and all the associated expenses to study the rain forrests and the "ozone hole". NASA should be for space exploration, period. We should be looking UP, not DOWN. Is it gonna be expensiveyep...progress always is. Is it gonna be dangerousyep...exploration always is. Are we going to lose astronauts due to accidentsyes, (unfortunately) wewill. Craig
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Hi, What's so good about the Moon? The TOP TEN Reasons Bush Picked the Moon: 10.) Zero gee has turned out not to be beneficial as we thought it would be but positively dangerous and probably fatal if you float too long. We don't know if it's because it's ZERO gravity or because it's LOW gravity that there are negative health effects. But it's possible that the Moon's gravity may allow humans to work in it much longer than zero gee without ill effect. We hope... We don't really know since we haven't stayed on the Moon long enough to find out. So the first step is... go and stay for a while. 9.) Bush said the Moon was to become a base for future exploration. That means a lunar industrial complex (physical plant and human society) capable OF BUILDING AND LAUNCHING SPACECRAFT has to be created on the Moon. Think about that for a while. Damn tall order. Combine the Johnson Space Center, Cape Kennedy, all NASA contractors and all their plants and personnel, and then move it to the Moon? Of course, there's only a quadtrillion tons of aluminum, titanium, and oxygen (and godnose what else) lying around everywhere you look on the Moon! Two weeks a month of continuous undimmed solar power, regolith full of Helium3 to build clean fusion reactors with, industrial strength vacuum in unending supply for fractional distillation, and a really permissive building code! 8.) Escape velocity from the Moon (with a gravity well assist provided by plunging down at the Earth and missing it) is less delta-v than is required to leave the Earth from low orbit. 7.) An actual solid working planetary surface to build things on. Let's face it, charming as it is to float like a dust mote in orbit, it's damn hard to work without some gravity. We're used to being on a WORLD and doing things there. It'll be tricky enough with just the low gravity. Look at how limited we are in what physical tasks we can do in orbit. 6.) So much for Bush lacking that vision thing. 5.) Naked political ploy to lock up the lunar vote in 2004! 4.) Usamah bin Ladin could be hiding out there!. 3.) The Moon isn't represented in the U.N.! 2.) Halliburton already owns it! And (drum roll, please!) the Number One Reason Bush picked the Moon! 1.) No Registered Democrats on the Moon! Sterling K. Webb - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
