Re: [meteorite-list] Re:The Italian Job Part II ;-)

2004-01-23 Thread DNAndrews
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Please, do not post anything from that mental midget. Praise the 
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Thank You, Fred Hall
Ditto that Fred!  I've had my fill.  I hope it wasn't something I said.  ;-)

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[meteorite-list] SALE - Several nice meteorites on ebay starting at $1.00 - SALE

2004-01-23 Thread ajones





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[meteorite-list] AD nice 20 kg 99% crust OC Collection Cente rPiece. Look !

2004-01-23 Thread Michel Franco
Dear List

I have put on line a very nice 99 % black charcoal crust OC with lots of
regmaglypts. Certanly a must for any collector willling to have a center
piece for his collection.

www.caillou-noir.com/BiGmeteorites.htm

There is also a video of it, 5 Mb a bit long to download unless you have
DSL.

Have a look it deserve at least your visit.

Offers welcome.

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RE: [meteorite-list] 'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover

2004-01-23 Thread kenoneill


Ron  List,

I heard on the radio just prior to the malfunction announcement that the
Spirit team were excited after finding what appeared to be a soft area of
ground i.e. mud !

Was there any mention of this anywhere else ?

Regards

Ken O'Neill
IMCA 9465


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http://space.com/missionlaunches/spirit_silent_040122.html

'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover
By Leonard David
space.com
22 January 2004

PASADENA, Calif. -- Mars Rover officials at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
announced that a serious anomaly occured onboard the robot Spirit
Wednesday.

Peter Theisinger, Mars Exploration Rover project manager, began Thursday's
press conference by telling reporters that they had not received contact
from Spirit, either through relays from the Mars Global Surveyor or the Mars
Odyssey spacecraft now orbiting the red planet.

German-built Alpha-Particle-X-Ray Spectrometer (APXS) is being used to
determine the elemental chemistry of rocks and soils on Mars. The APXS
performs elemental analyses of martian surface materials by directly
touching a rock or patch of soil. Analyzing the elemental make-up of
martian surface materials will provide scientists with information about
crustal formation, weathering processes, and water activity on the red
planet.

However, Jennifer Trosper, mission manager of Surface Operations,
interrupted the press briefing to announch that a signal had been recieved
from the rover via its direct link to Earth. That said, no direct data had
yet to be received from the robotic geologist.

Theisinger explained that the situation remains serious and that no one
single fault ... that we can conceive of can explain this anamoly.

A communique' released late afternoon Wednesday from JPL indicated an
unresolved issue with the status of the Spirit Mars rover.

According to the statement, ground controllers were able to send commands
to the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit early Wednesday and received a simple
signal acknowledging that the rover heard them.

However, ground controllers here did not receive expected scientific and
engineering data from Spirit during scheduled communication passes during
the rest of that martian day.


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RE: [meteorite-list] 'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover

2004-01-23 Thread mark ford

Wouldn't it be funny if it has fallen into a puddle...

I did notice that around the time spirit went down, the Magnetometer
networks were showing increased local activity, i.e solar auroral
activity.

Looking at www.spaceweather.com it appears that there have been a couple
of decent sized flares/CME (Coronal mass ejections) recently, maybe this
is what damaged Spirit? 

Mark Ford




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Ron  List,

I heard on the radio just prior to the malfunction announcement that the
Spirit team were excited after finding what appeared to be a soft area
of
ground i.e. mud !

Was there any mention of this anywhere else ?

Regards

Ken O'Neill
IMCA 9465


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http://space.com/missionlaunches/spirit_silent_040122.html

'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover
By Leonard David
space.com
22 January 2004

PASADENA, Calif. -- Mars Rover officials at NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory
announced that a serious anomaly occured onboard the robot Spirit
Wednesday.

Peter Theisinger, Mars Exploration Rover project manager, began
Thursday's
press conference by telling reporters that they had not received contact
from Spirit, either through relays from the Mars Global Surveyor or the
Mars
Odyssey spacecraft now orbiting the red planet.

German-built Alpha-Particle-X-Ray Spectrometer (APXS) is being used to
determine the elemental chemistry of rocks and soils on Mars. The APXS
performs elemental analyses of martian surface materials by directly
touching a rock or patch of soil. Analyzing the elemental make-up of
martian surface materials will provide scientists with information about
crustal formation, weathering processes, and water activity on the red
planet.

However, Jennifer Trosper, mission manager of Surface Operations,
interrupted the press briefing to announch that a signal had been
recieved
from the rover via its direct link to Earth. That said, no direct data
had
yet to be received from the robotic geologist.

Theisinger explained that the situation remains serious and that no one
single fault ... that we can conceive of can explain this anamoly.

A communique' released late afternoon Wednesday from JPL indicated an
unresolved issue with the status of the Spirit Mars rover.

According to the statement, ground controllers were able to send
commands
to the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit early Wednesday and received a
simple
signal acknowledging that the rover heard them.

However, ground controllers here did not receive expected scientific and
engineering data from Spirit during scheduled communication passes
during
the rest of that martian day.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re:The Italian Job Part II ;-)

2004-01-23 Thread David Freeman
You guys should all be ashamed of your selves.Ding-dong, 
theI seem to feel like singing too..how about a group hug?
nutterdave :-[

DNAndrews wrote:

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Please, do not post anything from that mental midget. Praise the 
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Thank You, Fred Hall


Ditto that Fred!  I've had my fill.  I hope it wasn't something I 
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[meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread mark ford










Mars water
found, more here :



http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html





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Just a quick note that Mars Express has
detected and verified frozen water on the mars south pole. Which is  in
my opinion  the most important discovery of spaceflight so far.



Bernhard






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RE: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems








I find this picture of special interest:



http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/ob_22_reull_v.jpg



I am just a layman interpreting this picture, but what
else than water or a liquid could have created this river like structure?





Bernhard



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Mars water found, more here :



http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html





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Just a quick
note that Mars Express has detected and verified frozen water on the mars south
pole. Which is  in my opinion  the most important discovery of
spaceflight so far.



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Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread magellon



Super photo. The higher elevation features also
look as if they has been eroded or washed down hill.
best,
ken
Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems wrote:



I
find this picture of special interest:




http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/ob_22_reull_v.jpg



I
am just a layman interpreting this picture, but what else than water or
a liquid could have created this river like structure?


Bernhard



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Mars
water found, morehere :



http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/index.html





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Just
a quick note that Mars Express has detected and verified frozen water on
the mars south pole. Which is – in my opinion – the most important discovery
of spaceflight so far.



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[meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread mark ford


Bernd,

Superb!

That just has to have been made by water!, you even can see small
streams and a shoreline (when you zoom in). 
 
I think that's one the best photo of mars I have ever seen!


Just imagine what is to come..


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Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread Michel Franco
Hi all,

It really loooks like an Earth  desert view from the sky. Water flows dry
beds ( Wadi, Oued, Wed, Ued, whatever you call them...) , cuesta like
cliffs,
I was wandering if we could find a similar desert on our planet with so many
impact craters ! I would like to prospect these craters.
Wonderfull photo for sure.

Best regards

Michel FRANCO
www.caillou-noir.com

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 Bernd,

 Superb!

 That just has to have been made by water!, you even can see small
 streams and a shoreline (when you zoom in).

 I think that's one the best photo of mars I have ever seen!


 Just imagine what is to come..


 Mark Ford





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[meteorite-list] Stan Turecki

2004-01-23 Thread Dave Schultz
  This is for Stan. I have received all of your
e-mails and have replied to them many times. You must
be having problems on your end, as I am not having any
problems here, and yes, I will be in Tucson from the
5th. thru the 9th. of February.
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[meteorite-list] RE: 'Serious Anomaly'

2004-01-23 Thread Michael Gallant
Well Mark,  (pun intended)

My wife suggests NASA examine me as she says I  exhibit the same
'Serious Anomaly' as Spirit when it comes to staring at a Mars rock...
I have no idea what's she's talking about I communicate just fine...
when I want to.

Impatiently waiting close-ups,
Mike



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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - January 23, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke


Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

News Release: 2004-29January 23, 2004

Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status

NASA's Spirit rover communicated with Earth in a signal detected
by NASA's Deep Space Network antenna complex near Madrid, Spain,
at 12:34 Universal Time (4:34 a.m. PST) this morning.

The transmissions came during a communication window about 90
minutes after Spirit woke up for the morning on Mars.  The
signal lasted for 10 minutes at a data rate of 10 bits per
second.

Mission controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., plan to send commands to Spirit seeking
additional data from the spacecraft during the subsequent few
hours.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology,
Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's
Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C.   Additional
information about the project is available from JPL at

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov


from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at 

http://athena.cornell.edu/ .

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Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

News Release: 2004-30 January 23, 2004, 6:30 am PST

Updated Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status

The flight team for NASA's Spirit received data from the rover
in a communication session that began at 13:26 Universal Time
(5:26 a.m. PST) and lasted 20 minutes at a data rate of 120 bits
per second.

The spacecraft sent limted data in a proper response to a
ground command, and we're planning for commanding further
communication sessions later today, said Mars Exploration Rover
Project Manager Pete Theisinger at NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The flight team at JPL had sent a command to Spirit at 13:02
Universal Time (5:02 PST) via the NASA Deep Space Network
antenna complex near Madrid, Spain, telling Spirit to begin
transmitting.

Meanwhile, the other Mars Exploration Rover, Opportunity is on
course to land halfway around Mars from Spirit, in a region
called Meridiani Planum, on Jan. 25 (Universal Time and EST;
Jan. 24 at 9:05 p.m. PST).

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology,
Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for
NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C.
Additional information about the project is available from
JPL at 

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov

and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at 

http://athena.cornell.edu/ .

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[meteorite-list] Mars Express Sees Its First Water - Scientific Results

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM8ZB474OD_0.html

N° 06-2004 - Paris, 23 January 2004

Mars Express sees its first water - scientific results 
European Space Agency

Mars Express, ESA's first mission to Mars, will reach its final orbit on
28 January. It has already been producing stunning results since its first
instrument was switched on, on  5 January. The significance of the first
data  was emphasised by the scientists at a European press conference
today at ESA's Space Operations Centre, Darmstadt, Germany.

I did not expect to be able to gather together - just one month after the
Mars Orbit Insertion on 25 December - so many happy scientists eager to
present their first results, said Professor David Southwood, ESA Director
of Science.

One of the main targets of the Mars Express mission is to discover the
presence of water in one of its chemical states. Through the initial
mapping of the south polar cap on 18 January, OMEGA, the combined camera
and infrared spectrometer, has already revealed the presence of water ice
and carbon dioxide ice. This information was confirmed by the PFS, a new
high-resolution spectrometer of unprecedented accuracy. The first PFS data
also show that the carbon oxide distribution is different in the northern
and southern hemispheres of Mars.

The MaRS instrument, a sophisticated radio transmitter and receiver,
emitted a first signal successfully on 21 January that was received on
Earth through a 70-metre antenna in Australia after it was reflected and
scattered from the surface of Mars. This new measurement technique allows
the detection of  the chemical composition of the Mars atmosphere,
ionosphere and surface.

ASPERA, a plasma and energetic neutral atoms analyser, is aiming to answer
the fundamental question of whether solar wind erosion led to the present
lack of water on Mars. The preliminary results show a difference in the
characteristics between the impact of the solar wind area and the
measurement made in the tail of Mars. Another exciting experiment was run
by the SPICAM instrument (an ultraviolet and infrared spectrometer) during
the first star occultation ever made at Mars. It has simultaneously
measured the distribution of ozone and water vapour, which has never been
done before, revealing that there is more water vapour where there is less
ozone.

ESA also presented astonishing pictures produced with the High Resolution
Stereo Camera (HRSC) . They represent the outcome of 1.87 million km2 of
Martian surface coverage, and about 100 gigabytes of processed data. This
camera was also able to make the longest swath (up to 4000 km) and largest
area in combination with high resolution ever taken in the exploration of
the Solar System.

This made it possible to create an impressive  picture 24 metres long   by
1.3 metre high, which was carried through the conference room  at the end
of the press event by a group of 10-year-old children.

Mrs Edelgard Bulmahn, German Minister for Research and Education, who is
also chair of the ESA Council at ministerial level, said at the press
conference: Europe can be proud of this mission: Mars Express is an
enormous success for the European space programme.

For further information please contact:
ESA Media Relations Office
Tel: +33(0)1.53.69.7155
Fax: +33(0)1.53.69.7690 
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - January 23, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Michael Farmer
Well that is great news. It seems there is a glitch more than a fatal error.
I will attend a special party tomorrow night at the LPL at the University of
Arizona, they are going to have some TVs and live uplink with JPL for the
landing tomorrow night. This will be quite exciting and I sure hope that all
goes well. I am taking a slice of NWA 2046 Martian meteorite, so we can all
hold a piece of Mars while the spacecraft is landing there tomorrow.
Mike Farmer
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 Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

 Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

 News Release: 2004-29January 23, 2004

 Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status

 NASA's Spirit rover communicated with Earth in a signal detected
 by NASA's Deep Space Network antenna complex near Madrid, Spain,
 at 12:34 Universal Time (4:34 a.m. PST) this morning.

 The transmissions came during a communication window about 90
 minutes after Spirit woke up for the morning on Mars.  The
 signal lasted for 10 minutes at a data rate of 10 bits per
 second.

 Mission controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
 Pasadena, Calif., plan to send commands to Spirit seeking
 additional data from the spacecraft during the subsequent few
 hours.

 JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology,
 Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's
 Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C.   Additional
 information about the project is available from JPL at

 http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov


 from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at

 http://athena.cornell.edu/ .

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 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov

 Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

 Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

 News Release: 2004-30 January 23, 2004, 6:30 am PST

 Updated Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status

 The flight team for NASA's Spirit received data from the rover
 in a communication session that began at 13:26 Universal Time
 (5:26 a.m. PST) and lasted 20 minutes at a data rate of 120 bits
 per second.

 The spacecraft sent limted data in a proper response to a
 ground command, and we're planning for commanding further
 communication sessions later today, said Mars Exploration Rover
 Project Manager Pete Theisinger at NASA's Jet Propulsion
 Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

 The flight team at JPL had sent a command to Spirit at 13:02
 Universal Time (5:02 PST) via the NASA Deep Space Network
 antenna complex near Madrid, Spain, telling Spirit to begin
 transmitting.

 Meanwhile, the other Mars Exploration Rover, Opportunity is on
 course to land halfway around Mars from Spirit, in a region
 called Meridiani Planum, on Jan. 25 (Universal Time and EST;
 Jan. 24 at 9:05 p.m. PST).

 JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology,
 Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for
 NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C.
 Additional information about the project is available from
 JPL at

 http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov

 and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at

 http://athena.cornell.edu/ .

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Re: [meteorite-list] 'Serious Anomaly' Silences Mars Spirit Rover

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 I heard on the radio just prior to the malfunction announcement that the
 Spirit team were excited after finding what appeared to be a soft area of
 ground i.e. mud !
 
 Was there any mention of this anywhere else ?
 

The 'Magic Carpet' area?  See here:

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/spirit_gusev_040116.html

It kind of looks like mud, but it can't be because the atmospheric pressure and
temperatures are too low for mud to be on the surface.

Ron Baalke

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Re: [meteorite-list] more on Allende

2004-01-23 Thread Rafael B. Torres
Hello!, Ive never been to Allende but I think it all depends how you 
approach to the local people in town, I heard that mexican mafia would get 
angry if you go hunting fo meteorites, but I think its just a urban legend. 
I f you go t the town with a friendly attitude, i bet you wont have any 
problems, I say this by experience, people in small towns in Mexico are very 
friendly and are willing to help if you need so!, its just the way of how 
you approach to them. I dknt really think an expdition is dangerous, you can 
say you are searching for fossils or other stuff and thus find meteorites 
along.


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Hello Gregory and List,

I heard the same thing about a dealer that will remain nameless who went 
down there and paid a dollar a gram to the farmers who were finding them.  
Since the farmers were only being paid a fraction of this amount by lets 
just say local people in charge the farmers refused to sell them at the 
lower rate after this.  The local people in charge were selling them for a 
dollar a gram to dealers before the gringo barged in there and over paid 
unknowingly doubling the wholesale price for everybody else.  Now you 
cannot get Allende for less than $2.00 a gram wholesale and at that price 
you have to buy several kilos.  If anybody decides to go down there be 
careful because of the bad situation left behind by an unknowing US dealer.

All the best
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A couple list members have been thinking about making a hunting trip, 
if you are interested I will let you know the names.
  There is a history of trouble for gringos in the Allende strewnfield 
area, if I remember correctly.  Wasn't there some story about a 
meteorite-hunter who was attacked and/or disappeared, something like that?  
Not sure if it's an urban legend or if based in fact.

  Gregory

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[meteorite-list] Russell's meteorites - presentation

2004-01-23 Thread STUARTATK
Hi all,

Firstly, apologies for not telling you all about this sooner; it's just been a crazy week with all the drama on and around Mars, my phone's never stopped ringing with schools asking me to give them talks featuring all the latest news from Beagle, Spirit, Opportunity and Mars Express. But finally, a week after the big day, I have a chance to tell you about the presentation to Russell of his meteorites last Friday afternoon.

It was a wonderful afternoon. Armed with a bag bulging full of meteorites from the people on this List I arrived at the school an hour before the arranged 1pm visit of local press reporter and photographer, and who was the first person I saw in the school lobby? Russell himself. And it was quite a shock. Last time I saw him, in November, he looked very ill indeed - pale skin, slumped, very ill looking... but the *new* Russell is a picture of health in comparison - much healthier complexion, eyes much brighter and, best of all, a huge, beaming smile :-) Still in his wheelchair, but much, much happier, and he greeted me with a cheery hello and big grin when he saw the bag slung over my shoulder. We had a quick chat, then I went to wait in the staff room with the teachers. All twelve teachers in the school are female, so it wasn't too much of an ordeal waiting... :-)

Eventually the photographer arrived, and we did a photo-shoot for the local papers - the school, and Russell's parents, having been very keen to get Russell in the paper as part of his therapy, cheering him up and encouraging his recovery etc - which went very, very well. Russell was a real trouper, holding up meteorites for the camera and beaming proudly and happily even tho he was getting rather tired by the end of it. The photographer actually had him *laughing* as he took his pics, joined by myself for a couple, then a couple of his friends, and finally the Head Teacher (US = Principal) who was literally having to hold back tears she was so moved by it all, and by Russell's changed spirit. Then my reporter friend Andrea arrived, and interviewed Russell for ten minutes or so - and all the time he refused to put down the meteorites, I'm sure he's still holding them right now...

With all the media stuff done, we - that's myself, Russell, the head teacher and other teachers - went up the corridor and into a large nearby classroom so I could speak to the rest of the kids in the school, explaining to them how all these amazing meteorites had come in for Russell from all around the world. He sat on the sidelines, still smiling, still clutching his precious gifts, and at the end all the other kids gave him a huge round of applause and crowded round him to look at his new treasures, leaving one of the red-eyed teachers to mouth me a silent "thank you"... 

...but that thank you was appropriate for all the people who sent meteorites to Russell, not for me, all I did was take in the mail. So, thanks guys, good job. 

In the past week, Russell's story has been featured in several local papers, which has, I'm told, cheered him up and energised him even more. If anyone would like to see a copy of the photo (just excuse my ugly mug in it, I asked them NOT to use one of me, keep it just about Russell, but I don't know, maybe the others didn't come out or something... ) and the article which accompanied it, please email me and I'll send copies as attachments. I can't put them on my website because it's playing up, but I'll happily pass on scans to anyone who wants to see them. 

The head teacher has asked me to pass on her personal thanks and best wishes to everyone who was so generous with their time and meteorite collections, too. I passed on the letters to Russell too, and I know he is planning to write to everyone who sent him something, but don't hold your breath, he's still ill and his days are rather full with various treatments, therapies etc... Just keep an eye on your (e) mail boxes, one day there'll be a note there, you'll see. 

So, there you go. Russell has his meteorites, and everyone who sent one should feel very, very proud that they helped make a very sick little boy smile again. 

Thanks everyone,

Stu

P.S. On a more personal note, people who've generously sent me samples and specimens for my own Outreach work will, I hope, be pleased to hear that they are all on display in a local museum right now, as build-up publicity for my astronomical society's huge "MARS DAY" exhibition event next Saturday. Thanks guys. - S


[meteorite-list] SwRI Suborbital Science Payload Gets The Goods on Mercury, Searches for Vulcanoids

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke


SwRI suborbital science payload gets the goods on Mercury, searches for Vulcanoids
Southwest Research Institute
January 23, 2004

A new major scientific payload flew in space last week after launching
aboard a NASA suborbital Black Brant rocket. The payload, consisting of a
telescope/spectrometer combination and an image-intensified imaging system,
successfully explored the ultraviolet spectrum of the planet Mercury and
also searched for the long-sought belt of small bodies called Vulcanoids
that may lie even closer to the Sun than Mercury. Southwest Research
Institute (SwRI) provided the payload and is responsible for data analysis.

The rocket flew a textbook flight and got the goods on our calibration star
(Zeta Ophiuchus), Mercury and the Moon -- everything in the flight plan,
says Dr. Alan Stern, mission principal investigator and director of the SwRI
Space Studies Department. The secondary payload, the so-called VULCAM
(Vulcanoid camera) imager, also worked like a champ, searching for
Vulcanoids while the spectrograph studied Mercury itself.

The payload's main instrument is a large (almost 500 pound), highly
sensitive, ultraviolet spectrograph designed to observe objects too close to
the Sun for the Hubble Space Telescope and other orbital instruments to
view. The new SwRI instrument has been dubbed Big Dog by its inventors,
owing to the large size of the payload.

We built Big Dog specifically to fill a niche -- exploring objects in the
deep inner solar system, explains SwRI's Dr. David Slater, project
scientist for the instrument and leader of the field team that took the
payload to White Sands for the launch preparations and flight. This flight
proves we can now examine objects -- like Venus, Mercury and bright comets
close to the Sun -- that are normally lost in the Sun's glare to orbiting
telescopes, on a routine basis. This is a real asset for planetary astronomy
and for certain kinds of astrophysics as well.

VULCAM scientist Dr. Dan Durda, also of SwRI, added, VULCAM is a derivative
of an imaging instrument we have flown many times on F-18 aircraft, but
which has the potential to become an even more powerful tool for searching
for Vulcanoids from 260+ kilometer (165+ mile) altitudes that NASA
suborbital missions can reach. VULCAM also performed flawlessly.

Never before in history has it been possible to obtain an ultraviolet
spectrum of Mercury, says Stern. With the data gathered last week, we
expect to reveal new details about this mysterious inner planet's surface
composition and, hopefully, to help the upcoming NASA MESSENGER mission to
Mercury plan its ultraviolet observations.

Primary funding for this mission came from NASA, with supplemental support
from The Planetary Society. The NASA Wallops Island Flight Facility managed
the mission and provided both the launch vehicle and the pointing, telemetry
and recovery systems required to support the flight. The Center for
Astrophysics and Space Astronomy at the University of Colorado at Boulder
also collaborated on the mission.

Vulcanoids are a hypothesized population of small asteroids that is
exceedingly difficult to observe from the ground because of its proximity to
the Sun. Researchers have made previous ground-based searches for Vulcanoids
during total solar eclipses, during the brief twilight period after sunset
before the Vulcanoids themselves set or just before sunrise after the
Vulcanoids have peaked above the horizon.

Editors: An image of the rocket is available at www.swri.org/press/bdpr.htm.

More information on the Wallops Island Flight Facility is available at
www.wff.nasa.gov, the Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy is at
casa.colorado.edu, the MESSENGER (Mercury Surface, Space Environment,
Geochemistry and Ranging) mission is at messenger.jhuapl.edu and The
Planetary Society is at www.planetary.org.

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[meteorite-list] The Sky Is The Limit

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/spirit/a10_20040120.html

The Sky Is The Limit
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 20, 2004

Believe it or not, some of the scientists on the Mars Exploration 
Rover Science team don't really care too much about rocks - or 
for that matter anything on the surface of Mars. They have higher 
ambitions. Their passion lies in the skies - the martian skies - 
and, from the hazy glow of the atmosphere, they pull precious
pieces of information. 

Two of these sky gazers are Mike Wolff and Mike Smith. They
are brimming with energy because, in the next few sols, Spirit
will be doing more atmospheric study than she's done since
landing.

It's a bit of a running joke that the atmospheric team gets left
out, laughs the jovial pair. Let's be honest, this is
predominantly a geology mission - water and rocks. 

The atmospheric team is also a little outnumbered, There are
very few of us atmospheric scientists who want to spend
Spirit's time looking at the sky. The vast majority of the team
wants to look at the ground. 

All the joking aside, Mike and Mike know the importance of
good atmospheric data, explaining that it is crucial for
ground-lookers to know what they are seeing. For instance,
scientists study the light that is reflected from each surface to
determine what minerals are in the rocks on Mars. In order to
make accurate calculations, they must understand the
atmosphere through which the light traveled before reaching
the rocks and reflecting back. 

They DO need us, smiles Wolff. Our team provides
information about the amount of dust and water vapor in the
atmosphere, allowing other teams to make sense of what
they're seeing. 

Beyond a supportive role, the atmospheric team is trying to 
answer big questions about the climate on Mars that will help 
all future Mars exploration. We need a complete understanding 
of the environment we're working with - what conditions do we 
need to prep for? How much dust is there, and will it interfere 
with machinery? What are the temperature extremes that can 
interfere with the successful operation of instruments? The 
more we understand the weather on Mars, the more likely it is 
that a Mars mission will have success, explains Smith in a 
serious moment. 

The term weather on Mars can mean a lot of different things, 
but the atmospheric team is harvesting hypotheses from four 
main elements: air temperature, water-ice clouds, water vapor, 
and dust. 

Air Temperature

Using the Mini-TES instrument, the atmospheric team can 
determine the temperature of the Martian atmosphere at various 
heights from the surface to about two kilometers (about 
1.2 miles) above the surface.  Orbiters and previous landed 
missions could not provide this near-surface information as 
precisely as Mini-TES can, and both Mikes are excited to have 
it. 

All the major weather systems on Mars are affected by this 
lower area, so it's really fantastic to be seeing this detailed 
data, says Smith. These temperature readings assist engineers 
as they assess the rovers' heath. Engineers need to know if 
things are heating up on Mars so that they can prepare to keep 
the rover cool. 

Water Vapor

Water-vapor is a fancy atmospheric term for humidity, jokes 
Wolff. If you've ever been in the south in the summer, you know 
what water vapor is. Mars does have some water vapor, but not 
much. In fact, Earth has about 10,000 times more water in its 
atmosphere than Mars does. The amount of water vapor in the
atmosphere is important to scientists because it is a key part 
of the current climate and potentially gives clues about the 
distribution of water under the surface. 

Water-Ice Clouds

Like the high, wispy, cirrus clouds we see here on earth, water
vapor in Mars' atmosphere freezes and forms into cirrus-like
clouds on Mars. By studying the quantity, location, and
longevity of these clouds, scientists can better understand
how water is exchanged between the martian surface and
atmosphere. While orbiters have provided us with many great
images of cloud-cover on Mars, they are limited by the time of
day of their orbit and can only reveal what the clouds look like
in a particular spot at a particular time.

With Spirit and Opportunity we can watch the clouds
throughout the day and monitor how they change, explains
Wolff. 

Dust

Scientists operating a rover on the surface of Mars have one 
major concern when it comes to dust: accumulation. The planet is 
covered in the fine, powder-like material and daily winds blow it 
across the planet forming dunes and ripples. Too much of this 
dust on the solar panels could cause them to work less efficiently. 
The atmospheric team monitors how much dust is in the atmosphere 
and helps the engineering team evaluate the performance of 
Spirit's solar panels. 

During the mission, Spirit will point its Panoramic camera and 
Mini-TES instruments towards the sky, giving the atmospheric team 
another chance to shine. Most of the 

[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - January 19-23, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 19-23, 2004

o Meridiani Planum (Released 19 January 2004)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040119a.html

o Meridiani Planum (Released 20 January 2004
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040120a.html

o West Meridiani Crater (Released 21 January 2004)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040121a.html

o Western Meridiani (Released 22 January 2004)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040122a.html

o Meridiani, Here We Come! (Released 23 January 2004)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040123a.html


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 



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Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread Howard Wu
I was rather hoping they'd find whiskey. I wouldn't freeze up at night and would give list members another reason to go to mars.

Howard Wu 
Bishop, CA

PS. Looks more likely that I'll be going to Tuscon as my co-pilot has given me a go.

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[meteorite-list] Re: Collection Liqiudation

2004-01-23 Thread Bruce D Wegmann

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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Collection Liqiudation


 Thanks for all the inquires, and especially to the guys who picked up some
 real bargains.  Still need to do a bit more fundraising, so here's a final
 listing, with some final pre-Tucson revisions.  No trades now, just
straight
 cash...

 Allende slices   69 grams$400
40 grams   250
 20 grams  100

 Bjurbole 516 grams  1800

 Crab Orchard   67 grams 2200

 Esquel149 grams  2000

 Gao687 grams950

 Jilin slices4 grams  15
  33 grams 130

 Juancheng 125 grams450

 Naryilco end  650 grams  2350

 Tuxtuac frag   309 grams  1500

 Vaca Muerta  116 grams450
 eucrite inclusion

 And for those of you looking to blow an inheritance or Lotto winnings:

 Allende   Complete individual, more than 85% fusion crust, classic
 angular blocky shape, minimal edge spallation, prominent skid mark...1434
 grams   $6000

 Johnstown   Angled corner cut, natural and polished surfaces, 40%
fusion
 crust, mostly on largest surface, distinctive brecciated texture, 136
 grams...$10,000

 Camel Donga  Awesome, jet-black, fully-crusted individual, skid
marked,
 looks like it fell yesterday, a full pound of one of the prettiest
eucrites
 ever..454 gr  $9000

 Murchison   Oriented individual, prominent flight markings and flow
 ridge.  Fractured surface on nose opens nice window to interior.  Pristine
 specimen, evidently maintained oriented flight all the way to the ground!
 107 grams  $8500

 Imilac   End piece, cut from 8.1kg individual.  Perfect flat cut,
sanded
 but not polished, still visually dazzling.  Not a trace of rust after 14
 years.  Natural exterior show much fusion crust.  1449 grams
 $12,500

 Norton County  Exterior fragment, classic snow-white matrix, many
large
 enstatite crystals.  About 15% fusion crust, covering two well-formed
 thumbprint marks.  117.5 grams
 $5,000

 Pics of all of these are available on request, of course...serious
inquiries
 only, please.

  Bruce Wegmann



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Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread Michel Franco



Hello Howard  list,

I'd experienced Bourbon frozen at -52°C ! Never 
triedwith whiskey.
my 2 cents,
Michel

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  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ESA 
  discovers water on mars
  
  I was rather hoping they'd find whiskey. I wouldn't freeze up at night 
  and would give list members another reason to go to mars.
  
  Howard Wu 
  Bishop, CA
  
  PS. Looks more likely that I'll be going to Tuscon as my co-pilot has 
  given me a go.
  
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[meteorite-list] Opportunity Closes in on the Red Planet

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke


http://space.com/missionlaunches/opportunity_update_040123.html

Opportunity Closes in on the Red Planet
By Leonard David
space.com
23 January 2004

PASADENA, Calif. -- Early Jan. 25, at about 12:05 a.m. EST, NASA's 
second Mars Exploration Rover -- Opportunity -- will arrive on Mars. 
It's headed for a region known as Meridiani Planum, halfway around 
the planet from where its sister robot, the Spirit rover now resides.

What Opportunity might find at that landing site could be the 
geological mother lode at Mars that scientists seek -- a type of 
mineral that cries out: Water was here! 

As was the case three weeks ago, engineers are again faced with risk, 
worry, and high anxiety in getting another robot
successfully down on Mars.

One thing for sure: It doesn't get any easier
the second time around.

Good dose of edginess

I am almost as nervous as I was for Spirit,
admitted Rob Manning, Mars Exploration
Rover (MER) Entry, Descent and Landing
Lead at JPL. Even though Meridiani is an
easier landing site in some respects - less
winds, less slopes, and the rocks aren't as
bad. I'm going to be almost as nervous, he
told SPACE.com .

In reconstructing how Spirit made it down
at Gusev Crater, Manning has reason to
retain a good dose of edginess.

We had a wild day in landing Spirit,
Manning said. An unexpectedly large wind
gust played havoc with the spacecraft's
approach and touchdown at Gusev. That
burst of wind pushed Spirit's parachute and
other landing gear in a horizontal direction
toward a crater. 

An inertial measurement unit, computer
software, special camera gear, and small
rockets onboard Spirit worked in concert to
counter what could have been a deadly drift
into the walls of the crater -- all within a
handful of seconds, Manning noted.

I don't know if we would have been toast.
On the other hand, it's an experiment I don't
think I would want to perform, Manning
added. 

Once cut free from its parachute,
retro-rocket engines, and long bridle, the
set of airbags with the Spirit rover tucked
inside fell onto Mars from a height of about
31 feet (9.5 meters).

The airbags bounced 28 times across the
martian landscape before coming to a full
stop.

Glue gun and duct tape

At the end of the day, Spirit's safe and sound
landing comes down to one engineering rule
of thumb: margin. 

Margin equates to elbow room. There is a
delicate balance between margins and how
close-to-the-edge engineers feel is
tolerable. But then add in the vagaries of the
Mars environment, well, those uncertainties
can give you a bad day.

From what I see, we have a lot of margin.
We are confident that we made the right
design choices in our rover landing system to
make it reliable, Manning said. But you
never know. If I could land a thousand of
these things, then I could tell you. We're
still in the infant stages of this stuff.

Lessons learned from getting Spirit down
and dirty on Mars are being applied to the
landing of Opportunity.

For example, Opportunity's parachute is to
be deployed higher and five seconds earlier
than planned over Meridiani Planum.
Secondly, gas generators to inflate the airbag
landing system have been tweaked to reduce
their warm-up time during the plummet
toward Mars' surface.

Opportunity's landing system is good to go,
Manning said. Our mission is not to do
engineering, although it's fun, exciting, and
a lot of work. It doesn't matter if you took a
glue gun and duct tape to get to Mars. As
long as you get there safely - and we get good
science for the mission - that's the most
important thing, he explained.

Colorful territory

At Meridiani Planum, the Opportunity
rover becomes a stranger in a strange land.

This site will truly be an alien landscape. It
will not look like anywhere we have been before on 
Mars, said James Rice, a Mars Exploration Rover 
scientist from the Arizona State University in Tempe.

Rice said he expects Opportunity to drop into colorful 
territory, perhaps a deeper, darker reddish brown with 
splashes of gray.

All that pesky bright dust that we are familiar with 
will be absent, Rice told SPACE.com . The chances of 
encountering fantastic layered sediments will be much
higher in Meridiani than at Gusev Crater, he explained. 

These layers may be visible in small mesas and buttes. 
Moreover, the landscape appears to have been stripped 
by the wind. There will also be far fewer rocks than at 
Gusev, roughly half the rock abundance seen in the 
images returned by Spirit, Rice said. 

We may also see dune forms and small impact craters 
depending on where we put down in the landing ellipse, 
Rice added.

Gray hematite

Opportunity's targeted landing area is an ellipse about 
53 miles (85 kilometers) long and 6.8 miles (11 kilometers) 
wide. 

This zone is within a large region near the planet's 
arbitrarily designated prime meridian, or line of zero 
longitude. Planum means plains. So the name suits the
territory. Meridiani Planum is one of the smoothest, 
flattest places 

[meteorite-list] OT / AD / Trade; Misc. JPL stuff

2004-01-23 Thread Tom aka James Knudson
Hello List, I have some odds and end's JPL stuff that I do not need. If
anyone's into this kind of stuff, I would like to trade it for a individual
meteorite (except Nantans)  I am not looking for anything big, rare or
expensive, just another one for my collection.  I have a Mars Observer pin,
Mars pathfinder pin and a JPL tie clip.  Pictures are available on request.
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier 
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[meteorite-list] Spirit Remains In 'Critical' Condition

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040123recovery.html

Spirit remains in 'critical' condition
BY WILLIAM HARWOOD
STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS SPACE PLACE  USED WITH PERMISSION
January 23, 2004

The crippled Spirit rover remains in critical condition on the surface of Mars,
engineers said today, the victim of ongoing electronic seizures that have caused
its central computer to reboot itself more than 60 times over the past two days. 
Engineers successfully coaxed the rover to beam back limited engineering data
during two brief communications sessions and they were relieved to discover
the spacecraft's power system was providing the necessary life support. But
Spirit's state of mind was clearly - and unusually - different in both sessions,
ruling out any simple explanations for what might have gone wrong. 

We have a serious problem, said project manager Pete Theisinger. The fact
that we've got a vehicle that we believe is stable for an extensive period of time
will give us time to work that problem. We can command it to talk to us and
even though we get perhaps limited information, we do get good information and
that helps us work through the problem. 

I expect that we will get functionality back out of this rover. I think the chances
that it will be perfect again, I would think, are not good. The chances that it will
not work at all, I think are also low. I think we're somewhere in that broad
middle and we need to understand the problem to find out exactly where we
are. 

Spirit went on the blink Wednesday as it was carrying out a procedure to
calibrate drive motors used by its thermal emission spectrometer. Prior to that
moment, everything was operating normally. But some event, possibly a
hardware failure of some sort, threw the rover's electronic brain for a loop. Since
then, the spacecraft has been in a state of limbo, responding in unusual fashion
to anxious flight controllers. 

This morning, we sent an early beep to the spacecraft and did not get a
response, Theisinger said. As we were preparing to send a second, the
spacecraft talked to us. We got very fractional frames and then moved very
quickly to ask it to speak to us for 30 minutes at 120 bits per second. We got 20
minutes of transmission in that occasion, which was a single frame of
engineering data repeated. 

Then we repeated that full sequence of events and we got about 15 minutes of
engineering data at 120 bits per second where the frames were updated for 15
minutes and then for the second 15 minutes we had nothing but fill data. 

He said Spirit has been in a processor reset loop of some type, mostly since
Wednesday, we believe, where the processor wakes up, loads the flight
software, uncovers a condition that would cause it to reset. But the
processor doesn't do that immediately. It waits for a period of time - at the
beginning of the day it waits for 15 minutes twice and then for the rest of the
day it waits for an hour - and then it resets and comes back up. 

Complicating the work to track down the problem, the indications we have
on two occasions is that the thing that causes the reset is not always
perceived to be the same, Theisinger said. We are
confused by that, but that's the facts as we presume them to be right now. 

The reset sequence, similar to repeatedly unplugging one's personal computer
and forcing it to restart, began Wednesday morning on Mars when a calibration
of the spectrometer motors ended prematurely. An anomaly team has been
formed to study the telemetry and to decide what readings to request from Spirit
to help narrow down the range of possible failures. 

I think we should expect that we will not be restoring functionality to Spirit for
a significant period of time, Theisinger said, I think many days, perhaps a
couple of weeks, even in the best of circumstances, from what we see today. 

In the meantime, he said, Spirit remains in critical condition. 

We do not know to what extent we can restore functionality to the system
because we don't know what's broke, Theisinger said. We don't know what
started this chain of events and I think, personally, that it's a sequence of
things, and we don't know, therefore, the consequences of that. I think its
difficult at this very preliminary stage to assume we did not have some type of
hardware event that caused this to start and therefore, we don't know to what
extent we can work around that hardware event and to what extent we can get
the software to ignore that hardware event if that's what we eventually have to
do. 

We've got a long way to go here with the patient in intensive care. But we
have been able to establish that we can command it, and we have been able to
establish that it can give us information and we have been able to establish that
the power system is good and we're thermally OK and those are all very, very
important pieces of information. 

We are a long, long way from being done here, but we do have serious
problems and our ability to 

[meteorite-list] MGS Photos of the Spirit Landing Site

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke

Check out these images of the Spirit landing site taken by Mars Global
Surveyor:

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/23/index.html

Visible in the photos are the Spirit lander, the parachute and backshell, 
the heatshield impact, and bounce marks.  Spirit actually bounced in
and out of a small crater on the 4th bounce.  The heatshield landed
near the rim of a large crater, and it looks like it may have gone
into the crater.  This crater, incidently, is the same crater that
the rover is slated to visit, at a distance of 250 meters away.

Ron Baalke

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Re: [meteorite-list] Spirit Remains In 'Critical' Condition

2004-01-23 Thread Tom aka James Knudson
I have two theories, Spirit was hit my a meteorite, although a small target
on a big planet, it is more likely than the next theories, Spriit was
attacked by Martians!
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier 
IMCA 6168

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 http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040123recovery.html

 Spirit remains in 'critical' condition
 BY WILLIAM HARWOOD
 STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS SPACE PLACE  USED WITH PERMISSION
 January 23, 2004

 The crippled Spirit rover remains in critical condition on the surface of
Mars,
 engineers said today, the victim of ongoing electronic seizures that have
caused
 its central computer to reboot itself more than 60 times over the past two
days.
 Engineers successfully coaxed the rover to beam back limited engineering
data
 during two brief communications sessions and they were relieved to
discover
 the spacecraft's power system was providing the necessary life support.
But
 Spirit's state of mind was clearly - and unusually - different in both
sessions,
 ruling out any simple explanations for what might have gone wrong.

 We have a serious problem, said project manager Pete Theisinger. The
fact
 that we've got a vehicle that we believe is stable for an extensive period
of time
 will give us time to work that problem. We can command it to talk to us
and
 even though we get perhaps limited information, we do get good information
and
 that helps us work through the problem.

 I expect that we will get functionality back out of this rover. I think
the chances
 that it will be perfect again, I would think, are not good. The chances
that it will
 not work at all, I think are also low. I think we're somewhere in that
broad
 middle and we need to understand the problem to find out exactly where we
 are.

 Spirit went on the blink Wednesday as it was carrying out a procedure to
 calibrate drive motors used by its thermal emission spectrometer. Prior to
that
 moment, everything was operating normally. But some event, possibly a
 hardware failure of some sort, threw the rover's electronic brain for a
loop. Since
 then, the spacecraft has been in a state of limbo, responding in unusual
fashion
 to anxious flight controllers.

 This morning, we sent an early beep to the spacecraft and did not get a
 response, Theisinger said. As we were preparing to send a second, the
 spacecraft talked to us. We got very fractional frames and then moved very
 quickly to ask it to speak to us for 30 minutes at 120 bits per second. We
got 20
 minutes of transmission in that occasion, which was a single frame of
 engineering data repeated.

 Then we repeated that full sequence of events and we got about 15 minutes
of
 engineering data at 120 bits per second where the frames were updated for
15
 minutes and then for the second 15 minutes we had nothing but fill data.

 He said Spirit has been in a processor reset loop of some type, mostly
since
 Wednesday, we believe, where the processor wakes up, loads the flight
 software, uncovers a condition that would cause it to reset. But the
 processor doesn't do that immediately. It waits for a period of time - at
the
 beginning of the day it waits for 15 minutes twice and then for the rest
of the
 day it waits for an hour - and then it resets and comes back up.

 Complicating the work to track down the problem, the indications we have
 on two occasions is that the thing that causes the reset is not always
 perceived to be the same, Theisinger said. We are
 confused by that, but that's the facts as we presume them to be right
now.

 The reset sequence, similar to repeatedly unplugging one's personal
computer
 and forcing it to restart, began Wednesday morning on Mars when a
calibration
 of the spectrometer motors ended prematurely. An anomaly team has been
 formed to study the telemetry and to decide what readings to request from
Spirit
 to help narrow down the range of possible failures.

 I think we should expect that we will not be restoring functionality to
Spirit for
 a significant period of time, Theisinger said, I think many days,
perhaps a
 couple of weeks, even in the best of circumstances, from what we see
today.

 In the meantime, he said, Spirit remains in critical condition.

 We do not know to what extent we can restore functionality to the system
 because we don't know what's broke, Theisinger said. We don't know what
 started this chain of events and I think, personally, that it's a sequence
of
 things, and we don't know, therefore, the consequences of that. I think
its
 difficult at this very preliminary stage to assume we did not have some
type of
 hardware event that caused this to start and therefore, we don't know to
what
 extent we can work around that hardware event and to what extent we can
get
 the software to ignore that hardware event if that's what we 

[meteorite-list] Mars Express Commissioning and Early Results

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke

http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=34487

Mars Express Commissioning and Early Results
European Space Agency
23 Jan 2004 

Overall Mission Status

The Mars Express orbiter was successfully inserted into orbit around Mars
on 25 December 2003. Since then several manoeuvres have been performed
using the spacecraft?s main engine (plane turn manoeuvre and apocentre
reductions) and several further manoeuvres will be performed, using the
on-board thrusters, until the mapping orbit is reached on 28 January 2004. 

The Mars Express spacecraft has continued to show nominal performance over
the past week with the payload and subsystems operating as expected. The
spacecraft's main engine has been isolated as it will not be used anymore. The
Beagle-2 lander was separated from the Mars Express orbiter on 19 December
and is assumed to have landed in Isidis Planitia on 25 December. However,
attempts to communicate with the lander have so far been unsuccessful.

Meanwhile, the orbiter scientific payload commissioning has started and the
payload instruments started returning their first scientific measurements from
Mars orbit. During this early phase, mostly dedicated to instrument checkout and
calibration, high-resolution stereo and colour images and high-resolution
spectral measurements of the planet are being acquired. The radio science
experiment has been obtaining its first scientific data from Mars (bistatic radar
measurements), and the MARSIS radar, which is scheduled for deployment at the
end of April 2004, will soon be conducting further checkout activities.

The early orbits of Mars Express, until about mid-February 2004, represent the
best opportunity for optimised observing conditions (illumination, targets of
interest, distance to the Sun, lack of eclipses) and, therefore, maximum science
return.

The planning of the next payload commissioning activities and science operations
are progressing nominally. Payload activity timelines are being prepared for the
next few weeks, with the goal of optimising the scientific return while keeping
within the limits of the power budget.

Science Results

19 January 2004
HRSC
The first science result showed the Valles Marineris
canyon system in stunning detail.  Valles Marineris is a
giant canyon system stretching 4000 km across the surface
of the planet.  At its start and end it is 2 km deep and in
the middle it is 7 km deep and 600 km wide.

23 January 2004
OMEGA
Analysis of data acquired over the southern polar cap on 18
January has revealed the existence of trapped water ice
along with carbon dioxide ice.

PFS
PFS data has shown that there is an inbalance to the
distribution of carbon dioxide on Mars.

HRSC
HRSC has now imaged an area of the Martian surface
covering 1.87 million km2. This corresponds to 100
Gigabytes of data! The camera images a single track up to
4000 km in length (roughly the size of the United States
from coast to coast).  A series of stunning images have
been released revealing river channels, dust falling over a
cliff edge and erosion features.

SPICAM
A unique measurement was made with SPICAM. By observing a star twice,
once through the atmosphere and once with no atmosphere present, it was
possible to analize the Martian atmosphere. This has enabled measurements to
be made on the distribution of the ozone and water vapour revealing that there
is more water vapour where there is less ozone. 


Orbit and Surface Coverage Information

The orbit of the Mars Express spacecraft is very stable. Several more apocentre
reduction manoeuvres will be conducted in order to reach the selected mapping
orbit on 28 January.

The early scientific planning is driven by the opportunity to take images and
spectral measurements of a number of targets of interest under excellent
observing conditions. The current observations cover a variety of essential
Martian surface features and targets of interest: volcanic terrains, chaotic terrains
near Valles Marineris, Isidis Planitia with the Beagle-2 landing site, and the
Spirit landing site (Gusev Crater). Later on, once the mapping orbit is achieved,
the focus of science data acquisition will be extended to global coverage, mosaic
and map construction, and high-resolution imaging and spectral mapping of
selected local surface targets.

Scientific Payload Status and Measurements

The status and performance summarised in the following table

 Instrument  ActivitiesStatus/Performance
 ASPERA  Calibrations (completed)  Nominal
 HRSC/SRCNadir-pointed stereo and colour imaging   Nominal
 MARSIS  None  Checkout next week
 OMEGA   Nadir-pointed hyperspectral measurements  Nominal
 PFS Nadir-pointed spectral measurements   Nominal
 SPICAM  Nadir and star occultation observations   Nominal

During the past week a number of nadir-pointed and inertial observations were
made. Stereo and colour 

Re: [meteorite-list] Spirit Remains In 'Critical' Condition

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 I have two theories, Spirit was hit my a meteorite, although a small target
 on a big planet, it is more likely than the next theories, Spriit was
 attacked by Martians!

Or maybe Spirit was attacked by Martians with meteorites.  :-)  

Ron

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Re: [meteorite-list] MGS Photos of the Spirit Landing Site

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 Either the server is too busy or the link is wrong :-(

Looks like the server is busy. Here's are some alternate links:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040123a/R1303051sub_a100_br2.gif
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040123a/R1303051sub_a100.gif

 
 Check out these images of the Spirit landing site taken by Mars Global
 Surveyor:
 
 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/23/index.html
 

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RE: [meteorite-list] Spirit Remains In 'Critical' Condition

2004-01-23 Thread Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems
Hehe.

Personally, I think that this reboot-loop is caused by a short-circuit
somewhere.

BTW - one of the astonishing findings of ESA is that Mars seems to be
much warmer than thought. They expected -120°C to -30°C, but instead
they found the temperature is +4°C. Don't know where this temperature
was encountered, but if it's true, it seems that we have a LOT to learn
about Mars (and that conditions are more favorable to former (or
existing?) life than thought.

I read somewhere that the orbit of Mars is much more changing over time
than that of earth, and that Mars could have been much warmer a long
time ago because of that.

Hell, I wish I could be born in 20 years from now :-)

Bernhard

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 I have two theories, Spirit was hit my a meteorite, although a small 
 target on a big planet, it is more likely than the next theories, 
 Spriit was attacked by Martians!

Or maybe Spirit was attacked by Martians with meteorites.  :-)  

Ron

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Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread j . divelbiss
Howard and fellow Tucson attendees,

Glad to hear you might be going to Tucson Howard. I too have decided NOT TO 
STAY home wondering what everyone is doing out there that week, so I will be 
there for the festivities for the first time(5th to 8th). Take it easy on me 
guys...me being a PA hill-Billie and all. 

John
PS Howard, good luck with your motel/hotel search...it was painful for me.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Russell's meteorites - presentation

2004-01-23 Thread j . divelbiss
Stuart,

Thanx for the wonderful story about Russell.

Mental health as it relates to physical health for all of us is such a 
monumental aspect for good living. All contributors to the venture should be 
very proud. I was not one, and wish I had sent something. Maybe another 
chance will come around to do so for him or someone else.

Thanx again for sharing,

John


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[meteorite-list] Rover Team Readies For Second Landing While Trying to Mend Spirit

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke


MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109.  TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov

Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.   

NEWS RELEASE: 2004-031  January 23, 2004

Rover Team Readies For Second Landing While Trying to Mend Spirit 

Some members of the flight team for NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers are
preparing for this weekend's landing of the second rover, Opportunity,
while others are focused on trying to restore the first rover, Spirit,
to working order.

We should expect we will not be restoring functionality to Spirit for
a significant amount of time -- many days, perhaps two weeks -- even
in the best of circumstances, said Peter Theisinger, rover project
manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Spirit transmitted data to Earth today for the first time since early
Wednesday. The information about the rover's status arrived during
three sessions lasting 10 minutes, 20 minutes and 15 minutes.
Engineers will be examining it overnight and developing a plan for
obtaining more on Saturday morning.

Spirit's flight software is not functioning normally. It appears to
have rebooted the rover's computer more than 60 times in the past
three days.  A motor that moves a mirror for the rover's infrared
spectrometer was partway through an operation when the problem arose,
so the possibility of a mechanical problem with that hardware will be
one theory investigated.

We believe, based on everything we know now, we can sustain the
current state of the spacecraft from a health standpoint for an
indefinite amount of time, Theisinger said.  That will give the team
time to work on the problem.

Meanwhile, Spirit's twin, Opportunity, will reach Mars at 05:05
Universal Time on Jan. 25 (12:05 a.m. Sunday EST or 9:05 p.m. Saturday
PST) at a landing site on the opposite side of the planet from Spirit.
Opportunity's landing site is on plains called Meridiani Planum
within an Oklahoma-sized outcropping of gray hematite, a mineral that
usually forms in the presence of water.  Scientists plan to use the
research instruments on Opportunity to determine whether the gray
hematite layer comes from sediments of a long-gone ocean, from
volcanic deposits altered by hot water, or from other ancient
environmental conditions.

Analysis of Spirit's descent through Mars' atmosphere for its landing
at Gusev has contributed to a decision by flight controllers to
program Opportunity to open its parachute higher than had been planned
earlier, said JPL's Dr. Wayne Lee, chief engineer for development of
the rover's descent and landing systems.

The Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter has
taken an image of Spirit's landing region that shows the spacecraft's
lander platform on the ground.  The jettisoned parachute, backshell
and heat shield are also visible, noted Dr. Michael Malin of Malin
Space Science Systems, San Diego, lead investigator for the orbiter's
camera and a member of the rover science team.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,
manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space
Science, Washington, D.C.   Images and additional information about
the project are available from JPL at 

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov

and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at 

http://athena.cornell.edu/ .

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rover Team Readies For Second Landing While Trying to Mend Spirit

2004-01-23 Thread j . divelbiss
Ron,

Do you know if the rover was still parked in front of the Adirondack named 
rock?

I was just curious where it was and what was it doing. Someone mentioned a 
rumor was that it drove into a soft spot. I thought it was parked by the 
rock.

John

 
 
 MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE
 JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
 CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
 NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
 PASADENA, CALIF. 91109.  TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov
 
 Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
 
 Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.   
 
 NEWS RELEASE: 2004-031  January 23, 2004
 
 Rover Team Readies For Second Landing While Trying to Mend Spirit 
 
 Some members of the flight team for NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers are
 preparing for this weekend's landing of the second rover, Opportunity,
 while others are focused on trying to restore the first rover, Spirit,
 to working order.
 
 We should expect we will not be restoring functionality to Spirit for
 a significant amount of time -- many days, perhaps two weeks -- even
 in the best of circumstances, said Peter Theisinger, rover project
 manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
 
 Spirit transmitted data to Earth today for the first time since early
 Wednesday. The information about the rover's status arrived during
 three sessions lasting 10 minutes, 20 minutes and 15 minutes.
 Engineers will be examining it overnight and developing a plan for
 obtaining more on Saturday morning.
 
 Spirit's flight software is not functioning normally. It appears to
 have rebooted the rover's computer more than 60 times in the past
 three days.  A motor that moves a mirror for the rover's infrared
 spectrometer was partway through an operation when the problem arose,
 so the possibility of a mechanical problem with that hardware will be
 one theory investigated.
 
 We believe, based on everything we know now, we can sustain the
 current state of the spacecraft from a health standpoint for an
 indefinite amount of time, Theisinger said.  That will give the team
 time to work on the problem.
 
 Meanwhile, Spirit's twin, Opportunity, will reach Mars at 05:05
 Universal Time on Jan. 25 (12:05 a.m. Sunday EST or 9:05 p.m. Saturday
 PST) at a landing site on the opposite side of the planet from Spirit.
 Opportunity's landing site is on plains called Meridiani Planum
 within an Oklahoma-sized outcropping of gray hematite, a mineral that
 usually forms in the presence of water.  Scientists plan to use the
 research instruments on Opportunity to determine whether the gray
 hematite layer comes from sediments of a long-gone ocean, from
 volcanic deposits altered by hot water, or from other ancient
 environmental conditions.
 
 Analysis of Spirit's descent through Mars' atmosphere for its landing
 at Gusev has contributed to a decision by flight controllers to
 program Opportunity to open its parachute higher than had been planned
 earlier, said JPL's Dr. Wayne Lee, chief engineer for development of
 the rover's descent and landing systems.
 
 The Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter has
 taken an image of Spirit's landing region that shows the spacecraft's
 lander platform on the ground.  The jettisoned parachute, backshell
 and heat shield are also visible, noted Dr. Michael Malin of Malin
 Space Science Systems, San Diego, lead investigator for the orbiter's
 camera and a member of the rover science team.
 
 JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,
 manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space
 Science, Washington, D.C.   Images and additional information about
 the project are available from JPL at 
 
 http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov
 
 and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at 
 
 http://athena.cornell.edu/ .
 
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[meteorite-list] Crusted GB individual?

2004-01-23 Thread Tom aka James Knudson
Hello has anyone ever found a 2 or 3 gram crusted Gold Basin? If so, would
it be the regular GB or one of the others meteorite found in that area?
Thanks, Tom
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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - January 23, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Ron Baalke


Guy Webster (818) 354-5011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

News Release: 2004-033   January 23, 2004
5 p.m. PST

Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status

NASA's Spirit rover did not go to sleep today even after ground
controllers sent commands twice for it to do so.

Shortly before noon, controllers were surprised to receive a
relay of data from Spirit via the Mars Odyssey orbiter. Spirit
sent 73 megabits at a rate of 128 kilobits per second. The
transmission included power subsystem engineering data, no
science data, and several frames of fill data. Fill data are
sets of intentionally random numbers that do not provide
information.

Spirit had not communicated successfully through Odyssey since
the rover's communications difficulties began on Wednesday.

Spirit's twin, Opportunity, will reach Mars at 05:05 Universal
Time on Jan. 25 (12:05 a.m. Sunday EST or 9:05 p.m. Saturday
PST) at a landing site on the opposite side of the planet from
Spirit.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology,
Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for
NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C.
Additional information about the project is available from
JPL at 

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov

and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at 

http://athena.cornell.edu/ .

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RE: [meteorite-list] Rover Team Readies For Second Landing While Trying to Mend Spirit

2004-01-23 Thread Greg redfern
All,

  If I may...Spirit is still positioned in front of Adirondack. It was not
hit by a meteorite, suffer a coronal mass ejection radiation event or any
other type of external incident. 

  Personal telecon w/JPL/MER managers has revealed that they DO NOT know
what has happened and are trying through fault tree analysis coupled with
engineering/health telemetry from Spirit to recreate the precipitating event
using the almost one for one rover they have for a test bed.

  Power and thermal protection systems are currently nominal. JPL is trying
to command Spirit to power down its computer and go into sleep mode which it
has not done for the past several nights. This is causing Spirit to use more
power than expected and is causing a drain on the batteries.

  The spacecraft is alive, being commanded from Earth and has sent back over
75MB of data today when Odyssey flew over. The team is trying to put the
pieces together in such a way as to cause no harm to Spirit. They have
plenty of time to analyze and fix this anomaly...

   Remember, every major spacecraft mission has had its glitches and our
team is pretty darn good at solving them. Time and telemetry will tell.

All the best

Greg Redfern
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Ron,

Do you know if the rover was still parked in front of the Adirondack named 
rock?

I was just curious where it was and what was it doing. Someone mentioned a 
rumor was that it drove into a soft spot. I thought it was parked by the 
rock.

John

 
 
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 NEWS RELEASE: 2004-031  January 23, 2004
 
 Rover Team Readies For Second Landing While Trying to Mend Spirit 
 
 Some members of the flight team for NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers are
 preparing for this weekend's landing of the second rover, Opportunity,
 while others are focused on trying to restore the first rover, Spirit,
 to working order.
 
 We should expect we will not be restoring functionality to Spirit for
 a significant amount of time -- many days, perhaps two weeks -- even
 in the best of circumstances, said Peter Theisinger, rover project
 manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
 
 Spirit transmitted data to Earth today for the first time since early
 Wednesday. The information about the rover's status arrived during
 three sessions lasting 10 minutes, 20 minutes and 15 minutes.
 Engineers will be examining it overnight and developing a plan for
 obtaining more on Saturday morning.
 
 Spirit's flight software is not functioning normally. It appears to
 have rebooted the rover's computer more than 60 times in the past
 three days.  A motor that moves a mirror for the rover's infrared
 spectrometer was partway through an operation when the problem arose,
 so the possibility of a mechanical problem with that hardware will be
 one theory investigated.
 
 We believe, based on everything we know now, we can sustain the
 current state of the spacecraft from a health standpoint for an
 indefinite amount of time, Theisinger said.  That will give the team
 time to work on the problem.
 
 Meanwhile, Spirit's twin, Opportunity, will reach Mars at 05:05
 Universal Time on Jan. 25 (12:05 a.m. Sunday EST or 9:05 p.m. Saturday
 PST) at a landing site on the opposite side of the planet from Spirit.
 Opportunity's landing site is on plains called Meridiani Planum
 within an Oklahoma-sized outcropping of gray hematite, a mineral that
 usually forms in the presence of water.  Scientists plan to use the
 research instruments on Opportunity to determine whether the gray
 hematite layer comes from sediments of a long-gone ocean, from
 volcanic deposits altered by hot water, or from other ancient
 environmental conditions.
 
 Analysis of Spirit's descent through Mars' atmosphere for its landing
 at Gusev has contributed to a decision by flight controllers to
 program Opportunity to open its parachute higher than had been planned
 earlier, said JPL's Dr. Wayne Lee, chief engineer for development of
 the rover's descent and landing systems.
 
 The Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter has
 taken an image of Spirit's landing region that shows 

[meteorite-list] Macovich Auction

2004-01-23 Thread Walter Sullivan
List:

It's great to be back reading the list after a long absence and I look 
forward to seeing my friends in Tucson. I believe that there is a 
Macovich auction as usual this year, but I do not see the lots on the 
Macovich site. Where are they?

Walter Sullivan



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Re: [meteorite-list] Macovich Auction

2004-01-23 Thread Michael Farmer
There will be no Auction by Darryl Pitt this year. 
Mike Farmer
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 List:
 
 It's great to be back reading the list after a long absence and I look 
 forward to seeing my friends in Tucson. I believe that there is a 
 Macovich auction as usual this year, but I do not see the lots on the 
 Macovich site. Where are they?
 
 Walter Sullivan
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Crusted GB individual?

2004-01-23 Thread larrytwinkmonrad


I have one that looks dark just like a licorice Jelly
Belly. It was too small for the U of A to justify classifying
it, so do not know if it is a regular GB or something else. But I
like it. We filed off one end and it could be any of the
above.
Twink Monrad
At 07:56 PM 1/23/2004 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote:
Hello has anyone ever found a 2 or
3 gram crusted Gold Basin? If so, would
it be the regular GB or one of the others meteorite found in that
area?
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier 
IMCA 6168

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Re: [meteorite-list] Macovich Auction

2004-01-23 Thread Walter Sullivan
Thanks for the info. Guess I'll be able to buy some dinosaur fossils too 
this year.

Walter

Greg redfern wrote:

Welcome back Walter...always a pleasure

Greg Redfern
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List:

It's great to be back reading the list after a long absence and I look 
forward to seeing my friends in Tucson. I believe that there is a 
Macovich auction as usual this year, but I do not see the lots on the 
Macovich site. Where are they?

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