[meteorite-list] Tessera meteorite
Hi Mark and List, Thank you for putting together the info page on the Tessera meteorite(s). Prior to reading Dieter's information, I have to admit that I'd been pretty much neutral on the subject, mostly due to ignorance. While I'd seen pictures, I had never seen any of the meteorites in person (and still haven't). I haven't seen any in situ images of any of the finds, which is not to say that Matteo failed to take such images, but if he had I would expect that we all would have seen them by now. The lack of such images isn't so much suspicious as it is unfortunate. Having visited Italy several times, including driving from Pisa to Florence to Venice and on north through the Brenner Pass into Austria, I can report that the climate is quite variable -- from hot and arid in the south, to colder and soggier in the north. Venice gets its share of rain (32.4 a year on average over the last 40 years), so meteorites within 50 miles of there are going to weather fairly quickly. For example, I wouldn't expect a meteorite to retain a W1 grade 5 years after falling on open ground there. Yet Dieter reports that short- lived radionuclide testing of one of the Tessera samples ruled out an extremely recent fall. I would be curious to know what level of confidence they place on the terrestrial age being greater than, say, 5 years; there are a number of variables, not the least of which is the original depth of the tested sample in the meteoroid when it was in space (cosmic ray shielding). Also, the sample that was measured was quite small, which you would expect to have some bearing on the uncertainty of the measurement. The bottom line is that you have a mystery that you may or may not be able to solve scientifically. In the absence of hard evidence, it is tempting to apply probability, psychology and Occam's Razor to reach a conclusion, which I'm sure many here have done. Consequently, if I were the finder of such meteorites (essentially in my own backyard), and lacked witnesses and/or convincing photographic evidence of the original recovery, I certainly couldn't blame others for being skeptical. That being the case, I would do my level best to find *another* stone from the fall, and do as complete a job as I could documenting its recovery -- in situ photos prior to touching the find, photos following extraction, a soil sample from the impact location, and a witness if possible. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares
Farmer, nobody cares about your problems with Matteo. THIS IS NOT RELATED TO METEORITES ! Keep it off this list ! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 05:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor http://it.geocities.com/idiotproudtom2003/ Did everyone see this? Matteo showing his best side, trashing everyone who has crossed him. I don't really care what an imbecile like him thinks about me, but trashing some of the other people he did shows what a coward he is. Art Jones, Geoff Notkin, how could you ever think something bad about either one of them? Can someone teach him how to be funny, think up something new perhaps? I would do a page about him, but photographing a horses %$$%hole is not my idea of fun. Mike Farmer __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Worden Meteorite in Meteorite Magazine
Hello Everyone, Did anyone else notice that Matt Morgan and Jurvis Breikss have a Worden article in the next...or very soon to be delivered Meteorite Magazine? I am surprised this "hammer", about 1/10th the size of Peekskill, has gotten as little as attention on the list as it has. When Matt was kind enough to offer a portion of this meteorite for sale I did manage to get a modest 2.4g part slice with crust (http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colworden.html), but now find myself missing I have a larger sample. Looking forward to the article Matt and Jurvis. (Not to mention "Tektite" Hal's Holbrook article and "What Dog?" Kevin's article.) At a subscription price of less then many micromounts (and a free meteorite sample) you can't go wrong. Meteorite Magazine link: http://www.meteorco.nz/ Mark Bostickwww.meteoritearticles.com
RE: [meteorite-list] Worden Meteorite in Meteorite Magazine
Hi Mark, I agree with youthis hammer has gotten ZERO publicity. When you look at the damage to the car it is pretty impressive. I was lucky to get a 5.6g partial crusted slice w/ PAINT on it from Matt. I look forward to the article. All the best, Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org/ Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICK Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 6:56 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Worden Meteorite in Meteorite Magazine Hello Everyone, Did anyone else notice that Matt Morgan and Jurvis Breikss have a Worden article in the next...or very soon to be delivered Meteorite Magazine? I am surprised this hammer, about 1/10th the size of Peekskill, has gotten as little as attention on the list as it has. When Matt was kind enough to offer a portion of this meteorite for sale I did manage to get a modest 2.4g part slice with crust (http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colworden.html), but now find myself missing I have a larger sample. Looking forward to the article Matt and Jurvis. (Not to mention Tektite Hal's Holbrook article and What Dog? Kevin's article.) At a subscription price of less then many micromounts (and a free meteorite sample) you can't go wrong. Meteorite Magazine link: http://www.meteorco.nz/ Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
[meteorite-list] Iron meteorites protection - My 5 cents
Hello. I want to describe one protection method for iron meteorites that I use from some time with good results. I just have many slices of Dronino from one 5kg specimen. Like everyone know, this is verry dangerous meteorite if is not protected. First I alvays clean irons in ultrasonic cleaner using alcohol. Then minimum some hours on radiator. Next is time for next ultrasonic cleaning, but this time in acetone to remove all fingerprits (important on polished slices like Dronino) and other dirts from meteorite. Then again is dry time on radiator. Some time ago I received from man who is archaeologist special specimen that is used to protect bones, ancient tools and other archeological things. This is named PARALOID. It looks like normal clear acrylic plastic granulate or something similar. This must be dissolve on acetone and then You can put there for example iron meteorite. Acetone will dissapear in air but Paraloid will stay on surface and on all cracks, holes and inside meteorite make him totally ressistible on water, dirt from outside. Ofcourse You can use normall plastic or transparent varmish for this, but I think its better. What is importand You CAN'T see if slice have Paraloid layer or not. Its totally transparent and make ultra thin layer on any surface. There are many different Paraloid types. For example type B72 is designed to irons and B42 to stones. I not tested B42 yet becouse I dont have any rusting chondrites to rescue :) Anyway I think its much better than transparent varnish, becouse make thinner layer and its verry easy to remove. If Paraloid is used to protect ancient things, then this MUST be verry good, also for meteorites. Ofcourse this not help if meteorite will start rust from inside. If someone have any questions, please send me email -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares
Who are you? Another Matteo synonym? Never heard of you. It is not my problem, it is all our problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:31 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares Farmer, nobody cares about your problems with Matteo. THIS IS NOT RELATED TO METEORITES ! Keep it off this list ! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 05:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor http://it.geocities.com/idiotproudtom2003/ Did everyone see this? Matteo showing his best side, trashing everyone who has crossed him. I don't really care what an imbecile like him thinks about me, but trashing some of the other people he did shows what a coward he is. Art Jones, Geoff Notkin, how could you ever think something bad about either one of them? Can someone teach him how to be funny, think up something new perhaps? I would do a page about him, but photographing a horses %$$%hole is not my idea of fun. Mike Farmer __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holy Ureilites!!
See this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3492919.stm Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] ad - ebay auctions ending - delete if not interested
Hi Everybody! My ebay auctions are ending tonight! Good Luck to anyone taking a shot. Lots of stuff there. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoriten/ Best Regards Moritz Karl Gutzkowstr. 77 60594 Frankfurt Germany www.m3t3orites.com www.sv-meteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Holy Ureilites!!
Here's a slightly better article on this topic of White dwarf diamond core. http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/huge_diamond_space.html?1322004 HowardHoward Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3492919.stm Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] background abotu selling the TL
Hullo! If anyone is interested I am selling this stuff again because I sold it to a customer but I was not able to guess the weight as my scales only measure to 0.1 accuracy and when he reweighed in on receipt (which of course he should do as it is so expensive) he found it it rather too underweight, so naturally I refunded him asap (in fact over-refunded him to assist with the shipping) I value my IMCA too much to start arguing over a few bucks. So, I was sort of glad to get it back as I did like it in my collection and was regretting it selling it however, the next day I get made redundant from work and I have to sell it again in order to support my family c. as my payment is pathetic. C'est la Vie I suppose. First time I have ever lost my job in 20 odd years sad really. So, whatever I sell this for will help in keeping my pathetic head above the sea of unemployment - in other words bid high and feed my family!! ho hum... the Devil always screws me these days - I mush have been a complete bastard in a previous life and this is Kharmic realightment!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares
Mike, Someone posting stupid photoshop photos on a little traveled website is NOT a 'problem'. If thats the biggest thing you have to worry about, then I certainly envy you. Personally I worry about things like 'how am I going to pay for that next kilo of martian meteorite' or 'where is the closest tall building I can jump off of if (when) this 3Kg slice of Brahin starts to rust'. Matteo's website speaks for it's self, and quite loudly at that. And IMHO certain things he says do not make him apear in too good a light to the unbiased observer. Why not just leave it at that? When you make problems where there truely are none, all that ends up hapening is filling up peoples email inbox a little faster... To the list: Sorry for my blatant waste of recycleable electrons.. This will be my last post on the subject. From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:15:13 -0700 Who are you? Another Matteo synonym? Never heard of you. It is not my problem, it is all our problem. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:31 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor - nobody cares Farmer, nobody cares about your problems with Matteo. THIS IS NOT RELATED TO METEORITES ! Keep it off this list ! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Montag, 16. Februar 2004 05:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Matteo and his lack of humor http://it.geocities.com/idiotproudtom2003/ Did everyone see this? Matteo showing his best side, trashing everyone who has crossed him. I don't really care what an imbecile like him thinks about me, but trashing some of the other people he did shows what a coward he is. Art Jones, Geoff Notkin, how could you ever think something bad about either one of them? Can someone teach him how to be funny, think up something new perhaps? I would do a page about him, but photographing a horses %$$%hole is not my idea of fun. Mike Farmer __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] all pictures are up
Hello list.All 3 pages of tucson photo's are all up on my website.I took over a 100 shots, but I put up what I thought were the best ones.View them at your liesure.Let me know what you think.That will be it on the pics.Just a side note, I have 15 auctions ending on ebay at 6;10 chicago time tonight. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Matteo and his lack of humor
This did not make it through, so I will try again I agree with Mike. He is our problem. We have a guy who has been asked to leave the list, yet continues to post under assumed names and e-mail addresses, his latest with the names of other businesses attached (mine). Yet people continue to defend him. Do the defenders of Matteo believe he has a right to post at all costs? What if it was you or your business he maligned?I think he is mostlya fraud with no life, and we are unfortunately stuck with him until he runs out of e-mail addresses. Art, please contact me off-list for a large donation to help solve this problem.
[meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 report, part 3 of 3
Hi All, Here's my final installment on the festivities at Tucson 2004. As usual, following the birthday bash at La Fuente, many returned to Blaine and Blake's room for nightcaps and more fun and games. One of the more interesting and useful meteorites in the Reeds' room was a Campo with just the right shape to open beer bottles! Blaine only half-jokingly confided that it was the most valuable meteorite in the room. (I believe Chicago Steve has a picture of Mexico Doug on his website using the Campopener) Saturday was my day to shop around and see as many rooms as possible. I started at the Vagabond, and hit everything that was within reasonable walking distance (the outdoor Mineral and Fossil Marketplace, and the Best Western Executive Inn on Drachman). Picked up a few nice Sikhotes in one of the many Russian dealers' rooms -- one shaped like a dog, and another with double orientation. Eventually moved on to the InnSuites, which seemed to have the largest contingent of meteorite dealers. Said hello to Kitty (Marvin was out when I stopped by), and introduced myself to Bruno and Carinne nearby. They finally talked me into buying my first tektite -- a cool-looking half of an asymmetric dumbbell that looks like the head and broken shaft of a golf driver. Even more interesting is that the shaft is axially twisted. Must have been one angry golfer... Said hello to Alain Carion and ogled his many lunars, Martians and other achondrites, and eventually located Mike Farmer's room which had an impressive array of meteorites also beyond my budget. ;-) Finally, I returned to the Vagabond, where I found Nick outside the Reed's room enjoying the last rays of the day while digging through a box of NWAs. Blaine was busy inside deciding on whether to enter a large Taza iron into Michael's auction at the last minute (it did appear). I skeedaddled at around 5 in order to have time to grab dinner prior to the Blood auction. Just about everybody seemed to be there -- even Bob and Beth Verish arrived in time to catch the tail end. I bid on most of the Martian meteorites, but they all eventually reached solid market prices or slightly beyond. The Garza house- smashing stone made an appearance, and while there weren't any takers (despite Michael's enthusiastic auctioneering efforts!), it was still great to see it in person. After the auction I pow-wowed with Adam for a while, had a nice chat with Anne Black, and finished with a long strategy session with Bob Verish, Bob Holmes, John Gwilliam and Howard Wu. I think the only thing that kept us from staying longer is that they were locking up the building when we left! Sunday was my long drive home, and my plan had been to leave early enough to get in some meteorite hunting on the way home. But given the late wrap-up Saturday night, Sunday was hardly an alpine start. Quick change of plans -- decided I had to head up to the Westward Look to say hello to Bob Haag whom I hadn't seen for a few years. He was the same old Bob, full of energy and passion, and a twinkle in his eye. Enjoyed seeing his Adamana stone up close and personal, not to mention the giant slab of Esquel and the iron meteorite man with the ghostly eye sockets. Bob also had a short video of one of his ill-fated adventures to Argentina long ago involving that 17-ton Campo (I think that was the approximate mass). Amazing to see that giant crane trying to lift that sucker. Bob said as the crane cable tightened up and started taking the load, the crane itself began to sink into the ground! Ultimately they got it airborne and maneuvered over to a truck bed. As much as I wanted to linger longer, I was burning daylight and wanted to make a little 200-mile detour on my way home (as if a 7-hour drive wasn't already long enough). Enjoyed meeting everyone! 'Til 2005 (or Denver if I make it)! --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rob's Tucson Report
Rob and list Thank you for taking the time to share your "adventure" Rob. It is always nice to see a different view of the events. I think we all are thankful you saved us a trip out to the (wet) lake bed. Perhaps next year nature will be more kind to us. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/tucson2004rm.html I have updated Rob's Tucson page on my website and the photos were all provided by Rob. There are several photos showing Rob thatI suggest we all study. Practice for picking him out of a lineup. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Dave's Tucson Report
Dear List; Here is what I did on Tucson's big weekend! First I got a call from John Gwilliam wishing me a happy snowstorm. Then I went dancing and partying (drove two miles from home). Met lots of interesting people that know nothing about rocks or meteorites. .Tucson has a rock show? Who plays it, AC DC? Saturday John called again to wish me well again (it was about 15 degrees, and a 12 hour blizzard started on Saturday afternoon) John noted it was nice and warm. By Sunday morning the wind chill had lessened from the -20 it was but we still had 0 wind chill and two and three foot drifts in town. Sunday we plowed the drive way, first time plowed in 12 years in Rock Springs. Did the spirits of Tucson~not blow in on us? As Mark noted below, Perhaps next year nature will be more kind to us... all... Missed you all, Dave F. (snow bank) Oh, almost forgot, on Sunday was the 1 year anniversary of my finding the 13th. Wyoming meteorite, hopefully named rock springs, will find out in July. It is not possible to hunt meteorites now. MARK BOSTICK wrote: Rob and list Thank you for taking the time to share your adventure Rob. It is always nice to see a different view of the events. I think we all are thankful you saved us a trip out to the (wet) lake bed. Perhaps next year nature will be more kind to us. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/tucson2004rm.html I have updated Rob's Tucson page on my website and the photos were all provided by Rob. There are several photos showing Rob that I suggest we all study. Practice for picking him out of a lineup. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - February 16, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Mega Drive - sol 43, Feb 16, 2004 Spirit spent the wee morning hours of sol 43 gathering data about a wheel-track target with the Mössbauer spectrometer, then tucked its arm and drove. It used a two-session method engineers call a mega drive in order to make good progress toward the crater nicknamed Bonneville. The first driving session covered 19 meters (62.3 feet) after long-running morning activities shortened the time for driving. After a rest, Spirit continued another 8.5 meters (27.9 feet) in the afternoon, resulting in a total drive of 27.5 meters (90.2 feet), a new one-sol record. Sol 43 ended at 9:58 a.m. Monday, PST. The remaining distance to Bonneville is about 245 meters (about 800 feet) from Spirit's new location. For sol 44, which will end at 10:38 a.m. Tuesday, PST, controllers plan touch-and-go activities: deploying the arm on a target called Ramp Flats before continuing toward Bonneville. OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Check Before Digging - sol 22, Feb 16, 2004 Opportunity spent much of sol 22, which ended at 9:39 p.m. Sunday, PST, making a thorough before examination of the spot selected for digging a ditch the next sol. Also, Opportunity completed upward-looking observations before, during and after Mars Global Surveyor flew overhead looking down. Opportunity and Global Surveyor have similar infrared sensing instruments: the miniature thermal emission spectrometer on the rover and the (full-size) thermal emission spectrometer on the orbiter. Coordinated observations of looking up through the atmosphere with one while looking down through the atmosphere with the other were designed to provide a more complete atmospheric profile than either could do alone. Sol 22's wake-up music was Invisible Touch by Genesis. In preparation for digging, Opportunity examined the trenching site with its microscopic imager, its Mössbauer spectrometer and, overnight, its alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. The plan for sol 23, which will end at 10:19 p.m. Monday, PST, is to dig a trench with alternating forward and backward spinning of Opportunity's right front wheel in order to see what's below the surface. Inspections of the resulting hole are planned for sol 24 and the morning of sol 25. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] True collector or sick?
Hello List, am I a true meteorite collector or just sick?I was daydreaming tonight (?) while sitting in my back yard about seeing a huge fireball and having meteorites showering down all around me. I then asked myself this question and thought seriously about the answer, if a was lucky enough to have that happen and a large individual hit me and maybe shattered a bone in my leg, what would be the first thing I would do? After looking deep inside myself, I could honestly say that I would drag myself along with the meteorite inside, weigh it take a pic or two of my meteorite and leg and email the list, then and only then would I seek medical attention! Is this wrong? What would you do? : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] True collector or sick?
It is all wrong, You scream loudly until family and neighbors gather round and you have them take pictures first. Then have someone rush to a phone and call a newspaper photographer. Don't allow anyone to leave until you have their signed affidavits. ken www.imca.cc Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, am I a true meteorite collector or just sick?I was daydreaming tonight (?) while sitting in my back yard about seeing a huge fireball and having meteorites showering down all around me. I then asked myself this question and thought seriously about the answer, if a was lucky enough to have that happen and a large individual hit me and maybe shattered a bone in my leg, what would be the first thing I would do? After looking deep inside myself, I could honestly say that I would drag myself along with the meteorite inside, weigh it take a pic or two of my meteorite and leg and email the list, then and only then would I seek medical attention! Is this wrong? What would you do? : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Matteo and his lack of humor
I agree. These guys that defend Matteo, are anonymous...Stan...Brahindavethey use hotmail and netscape addresses, but have a much larger ISP. If you are paying these ISP's for such a service (Internet Providers), why use Hotmail and Netscape? Don't they have email services for you? Kind of seems like a waste of money or you guys have something to hide? Matteo has been asked many times to let let Ken of the IMCA handle the eBay fraud stuff...but Matteo keeps on and on sending his degrading and hostile emails to these sellers. What does it take? He's been asked many times to cool it We've run out of patience and frankly, anyone with these anonymous email addresses isn't going to change our minds. The rules are rules and he continues to break them. No, they aren't US Lawsthey are the rules of the IMCA. An organization he is a member of. (for now). Sorry Stan and Brahindave, I'm not afraid to put my name on my emails. It just seems like someone is trying to hide something here. Dave (Dave Andrews...not afaid to put my whole name on my emails...also can't wait to see my picture on the IDIOTProudTom site) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This did not make it through, so I will try again I agree with Mike. He is our problem. We have a guy who has been asked to leave the list, yet continues to post under assumed names and e-mail addresses, his latest with the names of other businesses attached (mine). Yet people continue to defend him. Do the defenders of Matteo believe he has a right to post at all costs? What if it was you or your business he maligned? I think he is mostly a fraud with no life, and we are unfortunately stuck with him until he runs out of e-mail addresses. Art, please contact me off-list for a large donation to help solve this problem. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re:True collector or sick?
Gee Tom, you wimp, I would cut the broken leg off at the knee and mount it next to the meteorite on a wall. Regards, Peg Leg Fred
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Matteo and his lack of humor - one LAST time
I agree. These guys that defend Matteo, are anonymous...Stan...Brahindavethey use hotmail and netscape addresses, but have a much larger ISP. If you are paying these ISP's for such a service (Internet Providers), why use Hotmail and Netscape? Don't they have email services for you? Kind of seems like a waste of money or you guys have something to hide? whats wrong with being anonymous? this is the internet. the internet IS ananomous. I could sign my posts as Harvey Nininger, and unless you were looking over my shoulder while examining my drivers liscence, the name I attach to my emails means nothing. Does a name change the essence of what I was saying? I wasnt attacking Mike, he's a good guy and I have no beef with him, hell I'm one of his customers... I spent a few thousand $ with him in as many months. I was simply pointing out that when you feed a troll, they keep comming back regardless of how many times you ask them to stay away. Or have you guys on the meteorite list not yet figured out that matteo isnt going to go away simply by telling him he isnt welcome here? Come on, this isnt exactly rocket science you know. I didnt want this to turn into an argument, but I dont take too kindly to Ad Hominem attacks. You claim I'm 'defending' matteo when i specifically said things like: Matteo's website speaks for it's self, and quite loudly at that. And IMHO certain things he says do not make him apear in too good a light to the unbiased observer the guy is a troll Hopefully he will not go and attack innocent bystanders If thats your definition of defending someone, then I suggest you never consider a career change that involves becoming a defense attorney unless you plan on living off of kickbacks offered by a courupt DA. You ask why I use a hotmail account? Because this list is full of garbage posts and petty bickering that has nothing to do with meteorites. I dont want to junk up my 'normal' email with the garbage, so I use a spam ridden hotmail account for the list. I used to only read the meteorite list archives through the web site, and to be frank I'm starting to regret signing up to the list because of the aparent need to make posts like this. You dont like matteo? fine. I have no problem with that. you dont think he should be allowed to help police ebay auctions for fake meteorites? Well I have never heard of a community that said 'our streets are pretty safe, lets live a little more dangerously and fire a few cops', but hey, thats your perogitive. I'm pretty sure I wouldnt get burned by a bogus auction on ebay, so I dont have to worry about such problems. I know I'm a newcommer here, and I dont have much right to complain, but I DO ask for the following favor. PLEASE stop with the garbage posts. All it does is waste space in the in box of list members. Since the first post I made suggesting that it's wiser to 'not feed the troll' I have recived several off list emails from people saying 'someone needed to say it' and the like, so I know I'm not the only person who feels this way. If you want matteo's childishness to go away, ignore him. If you dont have enough to do during the day, and just want to waste time writing meaningless emails, then stoop to his level and continue to act like children. The choice is yours. And I PROMISE this will be the LAST post on this subject I make. IF I feel the need to respond to anything further, I'll just remove myself from the list. anonymous stan, AKA Harvey Nininger _ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] True collector or sick?
First things first, Tom, only you can decide, is this wrong or ok...;- take care, pekka s Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, am I a true meteorite collector or just sick?I was daydreaming tonight (?) while sitting in my back yard about seeing a huge fireball and having meteorites showering down all around me. I then asked myself this question and thought seriously about the answer, if a was lucky enough to have that happen and a large individual hit me and maybe shattered a bone in my leg, what would be the first thing I would do? After looking deep inside myself, I could honestly say that I would drag myself along with the meteorite inside, weigh it take a pic or two of my meteorite and leg and email the list, then and only then would I seek medical attention! Is this wrong? What would you do? : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
