[meteorite-list] Re: Origins
But how to get the aubrites from Mercury to Earth?Although they have longer exposure ages compared to the other classes of upto 120million years, (where Welten et al. wrote, that these ages representindeed true times of the transportation from the parent body to Earth andare not caused by the exposure on the very surface of the parent body,see:http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:FZePCxa0ntsJ:www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/2043.pdf+exposure+ages+Aubriteshl=de ),wouldn't such orbits be extremely unlikely?Just a question,Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
No, I am RIGHT. If you place your maximum bid the first and only time, then you should walk away happy from the deal each and every time. If you win, you the item at YOUR price. If you lose, you may be disappointed over not getting the item, but you walk away with the satisfaction knowing that you did not spend beyond your means. BTW, I see nothing wrong with bidding in the last few seconds. It is still a valid auction. I have obtained many nice pieces this way and I have lost many nice pieces to others. Either way, I was happy with outcome because I did not spend more than what I wanted to spend. You might be irritated that you lose an auction, but what have you really lost? Besides, what is ebay supposed to do, stop an auction after a given individual bids. Other bidders don't know your maximum bid. How can you say you are the loser when you were willing to go to x amount anyway? Also, as someone else pointed out, if you have a sniper placing a bid against you at the last second, the person isn't quaranteed to win just because he or she places a bid. What happens when the sniper places his or her bid and it is below yours? It seems to me that bidders only have a problem with sniping when they lose an auction, not when they win. Only faster gunmen survive. You are making a rather large assumption, that the faster gunmen will actually hit his target. What if he misses? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it. If you win, you win. If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction, item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid will be entered in around 5-10seconds before auction end and THEN You will win the same item for less than 90$, becouse noone can place another bid in last 5 seconds. Your system is working, buy snipers can win the same items for smaller money. You can say, that this is not right, this is sniping etc. But this is real life like on old westerns :))) Only faster gunmen survive. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Good MorningWalter, list members. I hate to beat a dead horse at this point, but I think most ebay bidders try to get an item at the lowest possible price with no regard to what they would be willing to buy the item at a fixed sale. This is justthe way most of us conduct ourselves in an auction. Here is a perfect example: I currently have a 100 gram DOUBLE ORIENTED 100 gram Sikhote-alin on ebay that started at a penny. FourDIFFERENT bidders have placed bids and it is only up to $5.50. See item number 2249907461 if this link does not work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2249907461 I think it is just natural for all of us to try to get the best deal possible and by budding the maximum one is willing to pay on the first bid then perhaps we feel like we are giving up our control over the situation. Just my two cents on the subject. Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:48:13 -0400 No, I am RIGHT. If you place your maximum bid the first and only time, then you should walk away happy from the deal each and every time. If you win, you the item at YOUR price. If you lose, you may be disappointed over not getting the item, but you walk away with the satisfaction knowing that you did not spend beyond your means. BTW, I see nothing wrong with bidding in the last few seconds.It is still a valid auction.I have obtained many nice pieces this way and I have lost many nice pieces to others.Either way, I was happy with outcome because I did not spend more than what I wanted to spend. You might be irritated that you lose an auction, but what have you really lost?Besides, what is ebay supposed to do, stop an auction after a given individual bids. Other bidders don't know your maximum bid.How can you say you are the loser when you were willing to go to x amount anyway? Also, as someone else pointed out, if you have a "sniper" placing a bid against you at the last second, the person isn't quaranteed to win just because he or she places a bid. What happens when the sniper places his or her bid and it is below yours? It seems to me that bidders only have a problem with "sniping" when they lose an auction, not when they win. Only faster gunmen survive. You are making a rather large assumption, that the faster gunmen will actually hit his target.What if he misses? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it.If you win, you win.If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction,item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid will be entered in around 5-10seconds before auction end and THEN You will win the same item for less than 90$, becouse noone can place another bid in last 5 seconds. Your system is working, buy snipers can win the same items for smaller money. You can say, that this is not right, this is sniping etc. But this is real life like on old westerns :))) Only faster gunmen survive. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.comGSM
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Jim and list, I agree. I always saw sniping as a stategy used to get the item for the best possible price. If I decide I am willing to spend $200 for an item and with minutes left the price is still $75 I may snipe with $200 with seconds left to see if I can get it for less then $200. If I bid the $200 with days left, it allows others to raise closer to my bid. I may still win but I may pay more then if I sniped at the end. If you don't like being sniped or think it unfair, you can use anti-snipe services. Best wishes, Charlie ---BeginMessage--- Good MorningWalter, list members. I hate to beat a dead horse at this point, but I think most ebay bidders try to get an item at the lowest possible price with no regard to what they would be willing to buy the item at a fixed sale. This is justthe way most of us conduct ourselves in an auction. Here is a perfect example: I currently have a 100 gram DOUBLE ORIENTED 100 gram Sikhote-alin on ebay that started at a penny. FourDIFFERENT bidders have placed bids and it is only up to $5.50. See item number 2249907461 if this link does not work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2249907461 I think it is just natural for all of us to try to get the best deal possible and by budding the maximum one is willing to pay on the first bid then perhaps we feel like we are giving up our control over the situation. Just my two cents on the subject. Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:48:13 -0400 No, I am RIGHT. If you place your maximum bid the first and only time, then you should walk away happy from the deal each and every time. If you win, you the item at YOUR price. If you lose, you may be disappointed over not getting the item, but you walk away with the satisfaction knowing that you did not spend beyond your means. BTW, I see nothing wrong with bidding in the last few seconds.It is still a valid auction.I have obtained many nice pieces this way and I have lost many nice pieces to others.Either way, I was happy with outcome because I did not spend more than what I wanted to spend. You might be irritated that you lose an auction, but what have you really lost?Besides, what is ebay supposed to do, stop an auction after a given individual bids. Other bidders don't know your maximum bid.How can you say you are the loser when you were willing to go to x amount anyway? Also, as someone else pointed out, if you have a "sniper" placing a bid against you at the last second, the person isn't quaranteed to win just because he or she places a bid. What happens when the sniper places his or her bid and it is below yours? It seems to me that bidders only have a problem with "sniping" when they lose an auction, not when they win. Only faster gunmen survive. You are making a rather large assumption, that the faster gunmen will actually hit his target.What if he misses? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it.If you win, you win.If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction,item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid will be entered in around 5-10seconds
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
I agree as well. I use sniping a good bit. But then, I don't complain when I snipe and lose (which was my point) -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite Central [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Jim and list, I agree. I always saw sniping as a stategy used to get the item for the best possible price. If I decide I am willing to spend $200 for an item and with minutes left the price is still $75 I may snipe with $200 with seconds left to see if I can get it for less then $200. If I bid the $200 with days left, it allows others to raise closer to my bid. I may still win but I may pay more then if I sniped at the end. If you don't like being sniped or think it unfair, you can use anti-snipe services. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2 for 1 and half off pre-summer meteorite sale
Good morning list.I decided to for today and tomorrow,have 2 for 1 sale with 2 sales and add-on's,and half off the 3rd sale.Here goes nothin': --- 1.MONZE and NWA 002 $50.00 2.NWA 980 and NWA 236 $40.00 3.SETH WARD and FORREST 002 $60.00 4.ETTER (HUSS #) and NWA 1935 $70.00 5.NWA 787(INDIVIDUAL)/NANTAN$60.00 6.PAMPA(B)/(2) SIKOTE-ALINS $30.00 7.OAK/RIO LIMAY/OXFORD $40.00 8.NWA 001/GLADSTONE $25.00 9.NWA 1945/NWA 1908 $30.00 10.SANDY CREEK/GOMEZ$25.00 11.QUERETARO/NWA 1280 $30.00 12.NWA 984/TARBAGATI$20.00 13.NWA 2086.SAH 00152 $30.00 14.LONG ISLAND/MT.TAZERZAIT $25.00 15.NWA 1792/ROUND SPRINGS $35.00 There is that 2 for 1 sale.The 3rd part of the sale,all is half price.Let me know what I can do for you.I have pictures of some of this stuff.Also rikers will come with some of these specimens.Good hunting! steve arnold, chicago,usa! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
--snip-- you can use anti-snipe services. Best wishes, Charlie As a gold powerseller with 1500 open ebay auctions I should know these things but can somebody explain to me what an anti-snipe service is and how it works? Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2 for 1 and half off pre-summer meteorite sale
Huh? 2 for 1 , 2 sales with add ons? half off the 3rd sale ? What 3rd sale? No weights ! Steve, what the hell are you trying to do here? BE - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 for 1 and half off pre-summer meteorite sale Good morning list.I decided to for today and tomorrow,have 2 for 1 sale with 2 sales and add-on's,and half off the 3rd sale.Here goes nothin': -- - 1.MONZE and NWA 002 $50.00 2.NWA 980 and NWA 236 $40.00 3.SETH WARD and FORREST 002 $60.00 4.ETTER (HUSS #) and NWA 1935 $70.00 5.NWA 787(INDIVIDUAL)/NANTAN$60.00 6.PAMPA(B)/(2) SIKOTE-ALINS $30.00 7.OAK/RIO LIMAY/OXFORD $40.00 8.NWA 001/GLADSTONE $25.00 9.NWA 1945/NWA 1908 $30.00 10.SANDY CREEK/GOMEZ$25.00 11.QUERETARO/NWA 1280 $30.00 12.NWA 984/TARBAGATI$20.00 13.NWA 2086.SAH 00152 $30.00 14.LONG ISLAND/MT.TAZERZAIT $25.00 15.NWA 1792/ROUND SPRINGS $35.00 There is that 2 for 1 sale.The 3rd part of the sale,all is half price.Let me know what I can do for you.I have pictures of some of this stuff.Also rikers will come with some of these specimens.Good hunting! steve arnold, chicago,usa! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Grapefruit-Sized Meteorite Smashes Through New Zealand Home
Anyone else see this? This time the experts seem just a bit low on the value! WELLINGTON (Reuters) - A grapefruit-sized meteorite smashed through the roof of a New Zealand house, hitting a couch and bouncing off the ceiling before coming to rest under a computer. The 2.9 pound chunk of space debris dropped out of the skyand plummeted through the tiled roof of the Auckland home on Saturday. I was in the kitchen doing breakfast and there was this almighty explosion, owner Brenda Archer told the Sunday Star-Times newspaper. It was like a bomb had gone off. I couldn't see anything,there was just dust. Archer's one-year-old grandson had been playing nearby minutes before it hit. It is only the ninth meteorite found in New Zealand and the first to hit a home. The Archers, who are following expert advice by drying the rock out in their oven, plan to sell it or give it to a museum. Experts believe the meteorite, a chunk of an asteroid, could be worth more than $6,300, the newspaper said. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Yes, what is an anti-sniping service. Is the idea to overwhelm the server with incremental bids so that the snipe can't get in edgewise? Another voice in praise of sniping. I use it quite a lot and it often works... I suppose you might consider it a shock and awe tactic. It might catch other bidders off guard. But since you never know how many others will be sniping at the last minute, it's still the high bid wins. It's equivalent to saying, the action (auction) really takes place in the last half minute. Such tactics are common in live auctions too: When a bidder makes an offer without waiting for the auctioneer to call for bids. When folks jump bid, as was the case in our Tucson auction, requiring the next bidder to bid above the last increment. It doesn't always work, my jump bid in Tucson was ignored (Michael, you owe me a cup of coffee for this oversight!). (Just kidding, Michael...) Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Grapefruit-Sized Meteorite Smashes Through NewZealand Home
Experts believe the meteorite, a chunk of an asteroid, could be worth more than $6,300, the newspaper said. worth more than 6300$ is a pretty open ended statement, isnt it? I dont know if any of the people who routinely chase falls will publuically say what they typically pay for items, but would many dealers offer much more the 5$/gram for a common chonderite? the price seems to be about right... after all, the garza stone has been offered for as low as what, 10$/gram and is still on the market, isnt it? _ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment OT
Hi Nick List I agree Nick and heres my thoughts. There is a venue(s) which will extend an auction if a bid is received in the last few seconds...its purely a profit driven tool. Basically, only a handful of venues are supported by most sniping software...to many differences and sudden changes to support all of them I think (even though the number has dropped over the years as ebay drives them out of the market). Are you against a sniping tool because you might get out bid and not have time to place a new bid? Or, are you against a sniping tool because it doesn't allow for true auction activities, where an auction could go on for a long time as a last minute bid war develops (I actually like watching them, but thats another story). Even though, in a real auction, the auctioneer actually controls the end of the auction, not the bidders, and once the gravel hits the podium, the auction is over unless shill bidding can be proven. Would you rather see anti-snipe tactics such as a couple venues use, which will allow for more bidding and the end of the auction gets extend for each bid placed within some time of end of the auction. This, by the way, is a profit driven tool and has no fair advantage for the buyer since it plays on the ego and lets one bid and bid until one bidder finally stops because the amount is just way over what the item is worth and he or she finally comes to their senses. This still happens on ebay anyway (bidding wars) even though an auction has a fixed ending time. So, sniping really doesn't factor in as much of an issue. I learned a long time ago that there is always someone bigger than me just around the corner. I could be a multi-millionaire and there would be a Bill Gates out there waiting on me to make my move. MarkF - Original Message - From: Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Yes, what is an anti-sniping service. Is the idea to overwhelm the server with incremental bids so that the snipe can't get in edgewise? Another voice in praise of sniping. I use it quite a lot and it often works... I suppose you might consider it a shock and awe tactic. It might catch other bidders off guard. But since you never know how many others will be sniping at the last minute, it's still the high bid wins. It's equivalent to saying, the action (auction) really takes place in the last half minute. Such tactics are common in live auctions too: When a bidder makes an offer without waiting for the auctioneer to call for bids. When folks jump bid, as was the case in our Tucson auction, requiring the next bidder to bid above the last increment. It doesn't always work, my jump bid in Tucson was ignored (Michael, you owe me a cup of coffee for this oversight!). (Just kidding, Michael...) Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Zealand Meteorite
Hello Stan and List, Experts believe the meteorite, a chunk of an asteroid, could be worth more than $6,300, the newspaper said. would many dealers offer much more the 5$/gram for a common chondrite? The price seems to be about right. I don't know how much Peekskill sold for but I think it was about US$ 70,000 for a 12400-gram ordinary chondrite (H6, S2; monomict breccia, veined). This would amount to about US$ 5.50 per gram. Maybe Allan Lang has more information on that. I got my 13.3-gram slice from David New and paid US$ 18/g. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost
Hello Gregory and List, I've been sitting here at my computer for quite some time now, brooding, considering, reconsidering, and feeling very uneasy after re-reading this post many times: I once wrote: ... , I am taking offense to your harmful comments and the way you twist other list members' comments. Gregory then responded: And Bernd is about as nonpartisan and imperturbable a member as the list has. Isn't there a line of common decency SOMEWHERE, past which a member deliberately forfeits his own good standing? Sadly, it seems not to be the case. Thanks for the post, Bernd - I'm sure everyone else feels the same way too, but there seems to be a curious reluctance to publicly express it. Well, it is easy to go off but hard to clean up the mess. Were there reasons why I exploded? Yes, there were! Is it a justification to go off on someone like I did? No! I was neither nonpartisan nor imperturbable a few days ago and I blundered when - though by mistake - I sent Gregory's private comment and my response to it to the list. When I told my Pauline (my wife :-) that Gregory wanted an apology, she said without hesitating a second: Whatever he did, you've made a mistake. Yes, I think you should apologize! As you can all see it took some days to sink in but the message finally arrived at the bottom. So, Gregory, please accept my sincere apologies for my having gone over the line of common decency. The only one who dared at least hint at such an uncalled for reaction was Dave Andrews, who wrote at the end of his mail probably said too much already. No, Dave, you didn't! Thank you! I may be one of the major contributors to this List but this doesn't - and above all - shouldn't give me the right to attack and flame list members in such an unqualified manner. Feeling much better now, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost
Dear Bernd, As a list member I was greatly relieved to read your recent post. I was originally flabbergasted, but then just realized we are ALL only human. Thanks for being a good one. Best wishes, Michael on 6/13/04 2:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Gregory and List, I've been sitting here at my computer for quite some time now, brooding, considering, reconsidering, and feeling very uneasy after re-reading this post many times: I once wrote: ... , I am taking offense to your harmful comments and the way you twist other list members' comments. Gregory then responded: And Bernd is about as nonpartisan and imperturbable a member as the list has. Isn't there a line of common decency SOMEWHERE, past which a member deliberately forfeits his own good standing? Sadly, it seems not to be the case. Thanks for the post, Bernd - I'm sure everyone else feels the same way too, but there seems to be a curious reluctance to publicly express it. Well, it is easy to go off but hard to clean up the mess. Were there reasons why I exploded? Yes, there were! Is it a justification to go off on someone like I did? No! I was neither nonpartisan nor imperturbable a few days ago and I blundered when - though by mistake - I sent Gregory's private comment and my response to it to the list. When I told my Pauline (my wife :-) that Gregory wanted an apology, she said without hesitating a second: Whatever he did, you've made a mistake. Yes, I think you should apologize! As you can all see it took some days to sink in but the message finally arrived at the bottom. So, Gregory, please accept my sincere apologies for my having gone over the line of common decency. The only one who dared at least hint at such an uncalled for reaction was Dave Andrews, who wrote at the end of his mail probably said too much already. No, Dave, you didn't! Thank you! I may be one of the major contributors to this List but this doesn't - and above all - shouldn't give me the right to attack and flame list members in such an unqualified manner. Feeling much better now, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. - Hermann Goering -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NZ Meteorite Video
Dear Listees: Greetings. Thanks to those who posted links to the New Zealand TV news report on the meteorite fall. It's great to see our favorite publisher, Joel Schiff, being interviewed, and looking very dashing too in his cattleman's hat and black jacket. The video clip has been moved to the TVNZ.com archive. Fellow Mac users with an up-to-date Flash player can see the clip here: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_flash_skin/430529 PC users can view the clip using Windows Media Player here: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/430529 Best line from the lady newscaster: It's likely this meteorite is a 'chon - dree - at' type. That means it chipped off an asteroid, but more will be revealed when the 4 1/2 billion year old relic undergoes a biopsy tomorrow. A biopsy? On a STONE? That's a new one on me : ) But the segment is very interesting and well worth watching. Well done Joel. Regards to all from sunny Tucson, AZ. 100 degrees today. Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost
Hi Bernd and list, Your posts for the most part are some of the best if not the best on the list Bernd. I think we could all take some lessons (hey after all you are a teacher) from your good nature posts that are most often related to meteorites. It's easy to get pulled into responding to some of the non-sense type posts and I think everyone has done it myself included. It takes a great man with character to admit a wrong. Having talked to you by email many times I know that you are one of the finest examples of what human being should be and that you care about mankind and others. I know you grew up in the aftermath of a terrible war. I for one understand a moment despair and lashing out. If most people on the list didn't loose it no more often than you did we would only have a couple of such posts each year and would be much better off. Your Friend always! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost
Hi Bernd and List, Bernd, you are too modest and unassuming to acknowledge this but you are a class act. As you say, it is sometimes hard to clean up a mess but at least you don't just walk away from one. Hoping to read many more posts from you... -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost Hello Gregory and List, I've been sitting here at my computer for quite some time now, brooding, considering, reconsidering, and feeling very uneasy after re-reading this post many times: I once wrote: ... , I am taking offense to your harmful comments and the way you twist other list members' comments. Gregory then responded: And Bernd is about as nonpartisan and imperturbable a member as the list has. Isn't there a line of common decency SOMEWHERE, past which a member deliberately forfeits his own good standing? Sadly, it seems not to be the case. Thanks for the post, Bernd - I'm sure everyone else feels the same way too, but there seems to be a curious reluctance to publicly express it. Well, it is easy to go off but hard to clean up the mess. Were there reasons why I exploded? Yes, there were! Is it a justification to go off on someone like I did? No! I was neither nonpartisan nor imperturbable a few days ago and I blundered when - though by mistake - I sent Gregory's private comment and my response to it to the list. When I told my Pauline (my wife :-) that Gregory wanted an apology, she said without hesitating a second: Whatever he did, you've made a mistake. Yes, I think you should apologize! As you can all see it took some days to sink in but the message finally arrived at the bottom. So, Gregory, please accept my sincere apologies for my having gone over the line of common decency. The only one who dared at least hint at such an uncalled for reaction was Dave Andrews, who wrote at the end of his mail probably said too much already. No, Dave, you didn't! Thank you! I may be one of the major contributors to this List but this doesn't - and above all - shouldn't give me the right to attack and flame list members in such an unqualified manner. Feeling much better now, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An announcement from Joel Schiff
In a message dated 6/13/2004 5:29:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joel Schiff, publisher of Meteorite Magazine, has asked me to forward the following. Dorothy Norton A meteorite weighing 1.3 kg crashed through the roof of a house in Auckland, New Zealand on Saturday morning 12 June. It looks to be an ordinary contrite with a gray matrix. Further details will be featured in the next issue of Meteorite magazine Joel Schiff This has really been quite a year for Joel. A milestone Birthday. His daugther's wedding. And now a meteorite falls practically in his backyard! What will he do next year??? :-) Thank you Dorothy. Anne M. Blackwww.IMPACTIKA.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost
I wholeheartedly agree with Al, I tend to think that Bernd is the most virtuous of the whole lost of us. DF almitt wrote: Hi Bernd and list, Your posts for the most part are some of the best if not the best on the list Bernd. I think we could all take some lessons (hey after all you are a teacher) from your good nature posts that are most often related to meteorites. It's easy to get pulled into responding to some of the non-sense type posts and I think everyone has done it myself included. It takes a great man with character to admit a wrong. Having talked to you by email many times I know that you are one of the finest examples of what human being should be and that you care about mankind and others. I know you grew up in the aftermath of a terrible war. I for one understand a moment despair and lashing out. If most people on the list didn't loose it no more often than you did we would only have a couple of such posts each year and would be much better off. Your Friend always! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost
Bernd, I must say that your display of integrity and your humble apology show what you are really made of. Superlative form. John Gwilliam At 06:22 PM 6/13/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernd and List, Bernd, you are too modest and unassuming to acknowledge this but you are a class act. As you say, it is sometimes hard to clean up a mess but at least you don't just walk away from one. Hoping to read many more posts from you... -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Taking Offence - A Repost Hello Gregory and List, I've been sitting here at my computer for quite some time now, brooding, considering, reconsidering, and feeling very uneasy after re-reading this post many times: I once wrote: ... , I am taking offense to your harmful comments and the way you twist other list members' comments. Gregory then responded: And Bernd is about as nonpartisan and imperturbable a member as the list has. Isn't there a line of common decency SOMEWHERE, past which a member deliberately forfeits his own good standing? Sadly, it seems not to be the case. Thanks for the post, Bernd - I'm sure everyone else feels the same way too, but there seems to be a curious reluctance to publicly express it. Well, it is easy to go off but hard to clean up the mess. Were there reasons why I exploded? Yes, there were! Is it a justification to go off on someone like I did? No! I was neither nonpartisan nor imperturbable a few days ago and I blundered when - though by mistake - I sent Gregory's private comment and my response to it to the list. When I told my Pauline (my wife :-) that Gregory wanted an apology, she said without hesitating a second: Whatever he did, you've made a mistake. Yes, I think you should apologize! As you can all see it took some days to sink in but the message finally arrived at the bottom. So, Gregory, please accept my sincere apologies for my having gone over the line of common decency. The only one who dared at least hint at such an uncalled for reaction was Dave Andrews, who wrote at the end of his mail probably said too much already. No, Dave, you didn't! Thank you! I may be one of the major contributors to this List but this doesn't - and above all - shouldn't give me the right to attack and flame list members in such an unqualified manner. Feeling much better now, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An announcement from Joel Schiff
At 07:27 PM 6/13/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has really been quite a year for Joel. A milestone Birthday. His daugther's wedding. And now a meteorite falls practically in his backyard! What will he do next year???:-) Maybe come to the next Tucson Show? JKG __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An announcement from Joel Schiff
In a message dated 6/13/2004 10:53:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 07:27 PM 6/13/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This has really been quite a year for Joel.A milestone Birthday.His daugther's wedding.And now a meteorite falls practically in his backyard!What will he do next year??? :-) Maybe come to the next Tucson Show?JKG Great idea! But he will have to bring the new meteorite with him. Maybe if we all ask really nice... Anne M. Blackwww.IMPACTIKA.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
