Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
As a cultural sidelight, in the 2nd edition of A-Z, Mundrabilla is listed as an IAB, whereas in the older edition, it is still a IIICD Anom. No need throw away your A-Z, just make sure it's up to date! (Shameless plug, for which I don't get compensated :-) Tracy Latimer _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could A Meteorite or Comet Cause All The Fires of1871?
Hi, Everybody! So many people have joined in the general pooh-poohing that I can't copy you all! The Web site mentioned in the article is complete trash and the "crater" is imaginary, as was pointed out years ago on this very List (not by me). Ken Rieli is a complete crackpot, and Mr. Wood appears to be a recent convert, although the newspaper article does not make it clear whether they even know of each other. But the fires are real and have been thought to require an explanation for a long time, even by non-crackpots. The literature on the subject goes back a long way. These strange fires were not restricted to the IL-WI-MI triangle centered around the southern end of Lake Michigan. Because of the slowness of communication in 1871, it was not immediately recognized that the fires of October 8, 1871 were scattered over parts of seven states and Canada and may have caused as many as 10,000 deaths. The scope of this disaster led a Minnesota Congressman, Ignatius Donnelly, to write a super-best-seller book called RAGNAROK shortly after the fires, in which he put forth the Comet Biela theory. RAGNAROK was so financially successful that Donnelly quit Congress to write more books including one in which he invents the modern whacko concept of Atlantis, a trick that made him even more money. So the first question is: does the simultaneous outbreak of a number of very bad fires over a large area after a dry summer require any special explanation? Common sense says no, hence the large number of responses going pooh-pooh to this retired engineer who's reviving a 130-year-old crackpot theory, with his own twist: frozen methane, which unfortunately for his theory will not start fires, but only create, well, you know what. However, the characteristics of these fires are so abnormal that from the very day they occurred they have been considered mysterious. Peshtigo was a town of mills and factories, 4 hotels, 15 stores, and 360 homes, and a total population of 2000 people. In minutes, 1152 people died. The conditions were hot, dry, and WINDLESS. The same conditions prevailed at all the sites of the 1871 fires. Stone buildings were reduced to calcinated ash. One large house was observed to burst into flame and rise 85 feet in the air on its own updraft. Large numbers of victims had no burns or injuries; they simply suffocated in the oxygenless air (a demonstration, by the way, that this was not a fire accelerated by wind). The largest number of survivors escaped into the woods surrounding the town (demonstrating that was not a forest fire). A total of nine towns in four Wisconsin counties were essentially exterminated at the same time. In one town of 260, the death rate was 100%; no one survived. What happened in Peshtigo remained a "mystery" until after World War II. All the evidence and survivor testimony suggests it was a "firestorm," a non-natural phenomenon which was employed as a weapon of war (once discovered by accident). The creation of a firestorm requires a concentrated stock of combustibles (a city), hot dry windless weather, and the simultaneous application of a large number, many thousands, of ignition sources. As a weapon of war, it is actually more devastating than nuclear weaponry (my opinion). "Successful" firestorm attacks in 1945 killed 85,000 people in Hamburg (the accident that, once explained, showed what a firestorm was), a quarter million people in Dresden, and nearly a million people in Tokyo. (Humans can always improve on things, can't they?) A firestorm is a multi-sourced fire so rapidly ignited over a large area of combustibles that temperature in the core region rises to thousands of degrees in minutes. The "updrafts" from this heat source achieve vertical velocities of hundreds of miles per hour. As a result, cool (heavy) oxygenated air from all directions is drawn inward at ground level at high speeds (50 to 100 mph) toward, but never reaching, the radiant core, the oxygen being totally depleted at the "firewall" or flame front before the core is reached. Firestorms spread upwind, that is, in all directions outward from the core, the "firewall" being the boundary between oxygenated and de-oxygenated air. The continuous influx of oxygen is the key; given enough radiant heat and oxygen, ANYTHING will burn. The mechanism is self-sustaining until every fuel source in the ever-expanding core (including the less familiar ones like stone, brick, some metals, and people) is exhausted. I'm not going to detail the more bizarre and Dantesque characteristics of a firestorm -- go read some history. But the key point for this discussion is the fact that a firestorm is not a natural phenomenon. It simply cannot happen unless human beings make it happen, as far as we know. The scale, speed, temperatures, and destruction produced by firestorms are without parallel in so-called "natural" events. They are an order of magnitude (or two or t
Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
If you want to see some cool photos of the Mundrabilla strewnfield, click on this auction link below. Mike Farmer http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2265154657 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
Hey Mike, I'm not sure that my previous post gave enough of the story of the new IAB-IIICD revision. Here is more info from my website that should explain things better, taken from the 2002 GCA Wasson/Kallemeyn paper: Current studies of the IAB iron group, utilizing the more definitive element-Au diagrams, have resolved five well-defined subgroups in addition to the large main group (Wasson and Kallemeyn, 2002). Subgroup 1 is the most closely related to the main group, while subgroups 2 and 3 correspond to the old groups IIIC and IIID. Subgroups 4 and 5 are more distantly related to the main group. In addition to these, they resolved two grouplets, five duos, and numerous IAB-related members. An outline of the taxonomic system they propose is as follows: main group (MG) low-Au, low-Ni subgroup (sLL) low-Au, medium-Ni subgroup (sLM); corresponding to the old group IIIC low-Au, high-Ni subgroup (sLH); corresponding to the old group IIID high-Au, low-Ni subgroup high-Au, high-Ni subgroup Udei Station grouplet, closely related to sLL Pitts grouplet, intermediate between sLL and sLM Algarrabo duo Mundrabilla duo Britstown duo NWA 468 duo Twin City duo various single IAB-related irons David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
Well, it appears that new data is available. I must admit with all the traveling I do, that keeping up with all the new papers and data is impossible. Thanks to Dave Weir and Bernd Pauli and all others for doing that for us. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???/ > > It is a IIICD. > > I was just in Mundrabilla a few days ago. > > Michael Farmer > > Hmmm > so "The Truth is Out There" > So I will write IAB-anomalous to be compliant with latest meteorite > catalogue. > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
> It is a IIICD. > I was just in Mundrabilla a few days ago. > Michael Farmer Hmmm so "The Truth is Out There" So I will write IAB-anomalous to be compliant with latest meteorite catalogue. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could A Meteorite or Comet Cause All The Fires of 1871?
He said he's been contacted by relatives of survivors of the Peshtigo fire who shared stories from their ancestors about seeing fire falling from the sky. Mr. Wood has joined the ranks of Micro-Mike (Frass Meteorite). The promoting of fact-less theory is less than amusing. The reports of fire falling from heaven were rampant in the later half of the 1800's through the first few decades of the 1900's. You can check out the disastrous "aerolite" articles on my site: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/news1.html ( Also see Mark Bostick's site - www.meteoritearticles.com ) However, those reports were a result of one (or more) AP writer's desire to give persons something interesting to read regardless of the fact that they did not happen. The Press also does not like to admit when it has deceived the public.(much like the Press's failure to follow up on current meteorwrong reports) So cudos to one writer who tried to exposed the "canard(s)" http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-March/125588.html How many persons read the false accounts, believed the lies and shared their own 'experience' with their offspring? (Shades of Patricia Polacco) I have seen lightning start fires on more than one occasion. Combine lightning with wind and dry conditions and disaster results. Those were the conditions on a grand scale. Why make a simple natural occurrence, unreasonably complicated? Thank goodness for David Batch's voice of reason. Best, ken PS - Meteors causing fires is a very popular misconception. Did anyone see the episode of Stargate when the 'team' visited a planet having its' yearly meteor shower. Only this time the giant flaming meteors impacted the planet, burned houses and created havoc? Even though inaccurate, the special effects were very impressive! :>) Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2004/08/23/news/news02.txt Could a meteorite or comet cause all the fires of 1871? By Dale Killingbeck Cadillac News (Michigan) August 23, 2004 CADILLAC - The skies around Sherman and the village of Clam Lake undoubtedly turned from blue to black. In Chicago, flames were racing through the city and in Peshtigo, Wis., people were running for their lives. Flames from the woods near Manistee invaded the town on a quiet Sunday - and people fought for their homes. Within three days of the fires, thousands were homeless, hundreds from Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan dead, and many pioneers faced the winter without a home or crops to eat. In the month of the Perseid Meteor shower, it is interesting to ponder - could a disintegrated comet be the cause of the fires? An Upper Peninsula systems design engineer thinks so, as does a former physicist with McDonnell Douglas Corp. Consider a statement by the Detroit Post on Oct. 10, 1871: "In all parts of the state, as will be noticed by our correspondence during the past few days and also today, there are numerous fires in the wood, in many places approaching so near to towns as to endanger the towns themselves." In Holland, fire destroyed the city, in Lansing flames threatened the agricultural college and in the Thumb, farmers trying to establish homesteads soon would be diving into shallow wells to escape an inferno some newspapers dubbed: "The Fiery Fiend." Many did not escape. Fires threatened Muskegon, South Haven, Grand Rapids, Wayland and reached the outskirts of Big Rapids. A steamship passing the Manitou Islands reported they were on fire. A horror story? Yes. And so real that historic markers to the event can be found at Manistee and in the Thumb. Lots has been written about the storm of fire that killed 2,000 in Peshtigo, Wis., and the Great Chicago Fire and the fires that devastated the Lower Peninsula of Michigan. Theories for the fires are many - but one thing is certain, the devouring flames showed up at the same time. Most historians point to the dry weather of the summer and the poor logging practices of the day for creating conditions ripe for a hot dry wind from the southwest that blew into the area whipping up small fires already smoldering and carrying destruction through the state. Theories for the Chicago and Michigan fires include Mrs. O'Leary's cow knocking over the lantern and then firebrands from Chicago being driven across the lake to ignite Michigan. But there is another interesting theory that continues to make the rounds on the Web and in at least one presentation by a retired physicist who worked for McDonnell Douglas Corp. In 1871, fire erupted in Chicago, Wisconsin and northern Michigan at the same time. Some believe a meteorite or comet was to blame. The Discovery Channel reported on its Web site in March a presentation by Robert Wood, a retired McDonnell-Douglas physicist, who theorizes fragments of a comet discovered in the early 1820s possibly caused the fires. Wood theorized that small pieces of frozen methane, acetylene or other high combustive materials hit the earth sparking the flames. That theory also
Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
Hello Marcin, > Im trying to settle what type is Mundrabilla. > On last Mets A to Z is IAB, but in other sources is IIICD Actually, I don't guess either is correct any longer. From my website: Under the taxonomic revision of the IAB complex by Wasson and Kallemeyn (2002), both Mundrabilla and Waterville plot near the low-Au, low-Ni subgroup (sLL) with slight deviations. They also share very high (6x) FeS contents, and are therefore considered to be ungrouped members constituting a duo of the IAB complex. In other words, it is in the IAB complex, Mundrabilla duo. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Denver Show
In a message dated 8/23/2004 11:07:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about an auction (Michael Blood) or the usual Mexican food party? Are they happening this year? Michael!!! Put on your glasses! I wrote: "The COMETS members had a meeting this afternoon and the topic of discussion was of course the Show. It was decided that as usual we will host an Auction on Friday evening and a Party in a local Mexican restaurant on Saturday evening. All the details, schedule, maps will be posted on my site www.IMPACTIKA.com as soon as available." Any other questions?? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Campo Versus Old Campo?
Dear List, I was told by a well informed source that there is no such thing as Campos found on a mountain side (New Campos) because the strewnfield is flat. He also stated that 99% of all Campos were exported without permission. My questions are: Does anybody have any images of a "New Campo" in situ? Is the found on a mountain side statement true? If the mountain side statement is true, which mountain so that it can be referenced? Just Curious, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
It is a IIICD. I was just in Mundrabilla a few days ago. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???/ > Im trying to settle what type is Mundrabilla. > On last Mets A to Z is IAB, but in other sources is IIICD > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mundrabilla IAB or IIICD ???????/
Im trying to settle what type is Mundrabilla. On last Mets A to Z is IAB, but in other sources is IIICD -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite/Volcano Pairings!
Yes, Please disregard the stupid question, I read it out of context on a website! Sorry, Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 3 for 1 meteorite sale on my website
Hello list.I am having a 3 for 1 sale on my mid-summer meteorite sale.Let me know what 3 pieces you want, and then I'll give you total amount.It will be to your advantage.Let me know what you want.As usual, I'll pay shipping and if they are in rikers, they go also.This will be thru wednesday night.I really want to move this stuff. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: SAH99150 & SAH00225
Hi Dean, Thank you to explain our error number on this meteorite. The Sahara 00225 is a very interesting E6 with one large metal vein crosscuting the stone. We are sold out and keep as usual about half of the mass in our collection. A close photo of the matrix with the metal vein is on our web page at http://www.meteorites.tv/contents/en-us/d38.html Meteoriticaly, Luc Labenne Meteorites Meteorites for Science, Education & Collectors http://www.meteorites.tv >From: dean bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: SAH99150 & SAH00225 >Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT) > >Maybe the labbennes can clear this up but they told me >several years ago that they had a numbering error. >I had one of their sahara meteorites that they >numbered 00225 (Before NWAs I bought a lot of the >labbennes unclassified stuff) and I sold it as >unclassified which it was. >Later some rare and expensive classification came up >as SAH00225 (I cant remeber what it was) and after >asking about it the labbennes indicated that it was an >error as what I had was unclassified. I sold all mine >cheap as unclassified at under $1 a gram and this was >correct. >So basi cally, if you bought SAH00225 as unclassified >and under $2 a gram you have the error numbered one >that the labbennes made a mistake in numbering and if >you bought it as a rare and expensive classification >paying much more you have the rare classification. >At least this should be how it is anyway. I dont think >that anybody has bought any that was misrepresented as >to the classification. The error one was all long sold >before the rare classification one was announced and >my buyers all bought it cheap as unclassified. >Hope this clears things up >Cheers >DEAN > > >--- Jeff Kuyken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > G'day Martin & Bernhard, > > > > I purchased a 187.80g Half Stone from a dealer's > > eBay auction with the > > Labenne number "00225" written on it. Like yourself, > > when I later received > > the piece and did some searching on the number I too > > realised that it had > > been classified as an EL6. However, "Sahara 00225" > > has a TKW of just 64g. I > > don't think my piece is an E chondrite. From what I > > could understand after > > enquiring to the Labennes is that my meteorite is > > "00225" and not "Sahara > > 00225". Maybe Luc could add something more. Keep in > > mind that my piece is a > > half stone meaning that it could be (minutely) > > possible there is another > > 150g-200g out there. I'll try and get some photos up > > on my site of my piece. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jeff Kuyken > > I.M.C.A. #3085 > > www.meteorites.com.au > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Martin Altmann > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:59 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question: SAH99150 & > > SAH00225 > > > > > > Hola list, > > Bernhard asked me to forward his mail, as he comes > > not through like > > several > > other members (neither with Html nor text > > formate). > > > > -- > > > > Hi there, > > > > I have recently checked all my meteorites against > > sources on the > > internet regarding the classes I have written down > > for them. Everything > > is fine, with the exception of two meteorites from > > the SAH bunch: > > > > 1) SAH 99150 - I have no information about this > > one. > > > > 2) SAH 00225 - this is pretty strange. I bought a > > 4g part slice from > > Michael Farmer back in October 2003. As far as I > > remember, it was sold > > as unclassified back then (for me, it looks like > > an ordinary chondrite). > > Now I have found a MetBull from 2001, calling SAH > > 00225 an enstatite > > chondrite. Most likely, my piece of SAH 00225 > > isn't 00225 at all, Has > > anyone a photo of a piece of this meteorite so I > > can compare mine? > > Furthermore, what was the meteorite Michael sold > > as 00225 last year? Did > > I swap numbers? Michael, do you still remember > > what you sold back then > > or do you still own something from this meteorite? > > > > Your help is very much appreciated. > > > > A last question: does anyone know what the outcome > > of the classification > > of NWA 1685 is? I still have it listed as > > "unclassified". > > > > Bernhard > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - August 23, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit probes deeper into 'Clovis' outcrop - sol 209-218, August 23, 2004 Spirit continued work over the past nine sols at a rock called "Clovis." The rover used its rock abrasion tool, microscopic imager, alpha particle X-ray spectrometer, and Mossbauer spectrometer to probe deeper into the history of this rock. Clovis is the most altered rock encountered by Spirit to date. It is part of a rock outcrop located on the "West Spur" of the "Columbia Hills," roughly 55 meters (180 feet) higher than Spirit's landing site about 3 kilometers (2 miles) away. Spirit also successfully performed a couple of communications tests with the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter last week. The tests demonstrated the two spacecraft's ability to work together to transmit data collected by the rovers to Earth via the Mars Express communications relay. NASA's Mars Odyssey and Mars Global Surveyor orbiters also have this capability. More than 85 percent of the data from the rovers has been transmitted to Earth via the Odyssey orbiter. On sol 209, Spirit experienced an unexpected reboot of the flight software. This incident was not a threat to the spacecraft. It is a known bug in the system that the rover team is working around. On sol 210, Spirit drove up steep terrain to reach the exact spot on Clovis for work with the science instruments at the end of the robotic arm. Between sols 211 and 216, Spirit completed an alpha particle X-ray spectrometer reading of a spot on Clovis called "Plano," which had been brushed off using the rock abrasion tool. Spirit then placed the rock abrasion tool on Plano again and drilled for 2.5 hours, creating a hole 8.9 millimeters (0.4 inch) deep, which is a new record! Spirit also continued a campaign to capture a color 360-degree panoramic camera image from this location. Spirit captured additional segments of the panorama on sols 217 and 218. On sol 217, Spirit took microscopic images of the rock abrasion tool hole, and then placed the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer in the hole for an early morning observation. On sol 218, Spirit placed the Mossbauer spectrometer in the rock abrasion tool hole and started a 48-hour observation. This is a longer than normal integration time, with a goal of resolving in more detail the makeup of this highly altered rock. Spirit remains in excellent health. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Express Image: Crater Dunes in Argyre Planitia
http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMYRSW4QWD_0.html Crater dunes in Argyre Planitia European Space Agency Mars Express 23 August 2004 These images, taken by the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board ESA's Mars Express spacecraft, show a Martian crater with a dune field on its floor. The images were taken during orbit 427 in May 2004, and show the crater with a dune field located in the north-western part of the Argyre Planitia crater basin. The images are centred at Mars longitude 303° East and latitude 43° South. The image resolution is approximately 16.2 metres per pixel. Crater dunes in 3D The crater is about 45 kilometres wide and 2 kilometres deep. In the north-eastern part of this crater, the complex dune field is 7 kilometres wide by 12 kilometres long. In arid zones on Earth, these features are called ?barchanes?, which are dunes having an asymmetrical profile, with a gentle slope on the wind-facing side and a steep slope on the lee-side. The dune field shown here suggests an easterly wind direction with its steeper western part. The composition of the dune material is not certain, but the dark sands could be of basaltic origin. Crater dunes The colour image has been created from the HRSC?s nadir (vertical view) and three colour channels. The 3D anaglyph image has been created using the nadir and stereo channels. The perspective views have been calculated from the digital terrain model derived from the stereo channels. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Huge 223.7g NWA 3140 Ureilite Wholesale
Dear List, At 223.7 grams, this is the largest specimen of NWA 3140 in my inventory. I thought it would be a better idea to offer this specimen directly to List before making it available on ebay. This is the largest half of the largest stone in our inventory. The face is not polished and it is being offered ruff cut. Sliced ordinary Ureilites sometimes sell for one hundred dollars a gram. This primitive Ureilite is anything but ordinary with its sparse metal, green, brown and gray crystals. I am offering this specimen at an unheard one-time low wholesale price of just twelve dollars a gram totaling $2,684.00. At this price there is plenty of room for profit taking if someone were to prepare this awesome specimen. If it does not sell at this price I will entertain offers before listing it on ebay. Link showing complete specimen: http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA3140-big.jpg Close-up link: http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA3140closeup.jpg All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Polish Meteorite - classification help
Hello I need help with classification of nevest Polish iron meteorite. I search for lab where I can make analyses of: GAL GERMANIUM GOLD and minerals from PLATINUM group. Its importand, becouse this new meteorite was find in place located perfect on line beetween Morasko and Przelazy (Seelasgen) meteorites, 200km from Morasko. If analyses will be similar to Morasko, then this will be verry importand proof, that all this meteorites comes from one single meteorite fall (also propably with Tabarz from Germany), makes the longest strewfield ever see. But for now we need help. Photos of new meteorite can be find here (News 3th from top) 12.07.2004 - Nowy Polski meteoryt metalowy http://www.meteoryt.net/ogloszenia.htm On photo is main mass 12kg and small 112g specimen -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Website
Bonsoir Pierre-Marie, hello List, Even with my eyeglasses I have problems reading the small-size letters of "Liste de diffusion", of "Météorites à vendre", etc. These gray, minuscule letters on a white background (hardly any contrast) make it almost impossible for me to read. A different background color (like the light and dark blue on the right) would be helpful. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New meteorite website : what do you think of it ?
Hello to the List, I just did a template for my new website, www.meteor-center.com. It's still under development ... I would like to know what you think of it and if you've got some suggestions. Ah, sorry, but it's in french ;-) Here's the link : http://www.meteor-center.com/index2.htm Regards, Pierre-Marie PELE -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could A Meteorite or Comet Cause All The Fires of
Dear All; I have just gotten off the telephone with Mr. Killingbeck from the Cadillac Evening News and he was a delight to speak with. He will be contacting me in a couple of weeks for an interview for another/follow up story on meteorites and the connection, or in this case, the lack of it, with the historic fires. I noted that the logging industry had probably more to do with the fires than anything from the cosmos. The landscape is dotted with 3 foot diameter tree stumps that are charred. They make great stools to sit on while deer hunting in November. The local library there has the New Bob Haag color meteorite book that I presented them two years ago, and they also have a copy of the ROCKS FROM SPACE book as well. I mentioned that the reporter would enjoy researching both books in preparation for the follow up story. Where's our other Michigan meteorite associates? George, Mark, Maria, here's your chance Very best, Dave Freeman Mark Langenfeld wrote: Anyone who has researched the history of these fires knows how spurious this theory likely is (at least as to the north woods blazes). There were small slash fires burning throughout the north woods most of that summer and early fall. The protracted drought and an intense weather system with associated high winds combined to drive and coalesce the individual fires into the conflagrations that swept Peshtigo and elsewhere. More to the point for this group: is there any credible report on record anywhere of a meteorite arrival igniting a significant fire (other than from historic asteroid-scale impacts)? In contrast, a notable (witnessed) Wisconsin fall -- at Colby -- arrived on the warm and humid evening of July 4, 1917. The meteorite was so cold when recovered that frost formed on it. Mark http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2004/08/23/news/news02.txt Could a meteorite or comet cause all the fires of 1871? By Dale Killingbeck Cadillac News (Michigan) August 23, 2004 CADILLAC - The skies around Sherman and the village of Clam Lake undoubtedly turned from blue to black. In Chicago, flames were racing through the city and in Peshtigo, Wis., people were running for their lives. Flames from the woods near Manistee invaded the town on a quiet Sunday - and people fought for their homes. Within three days of the fires, thousands were homeless, hundreds from Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan dead, and many pioneers faced the winter without a home or crops to eat. In the month of the Perseid Meteor shower, it is interesting to ponder - could a disintegrated comet be the cause of the fires? An Upper Peninsula systems design engineer thinks so, as does a former physicist with McDonnell Douglas Corp. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Anyone who has researched the history of these fires knows how spurious this theory likely is (at least as to the north woods blazes). There were small slash fires burning throughout the north woods most of that summer and early fall. The protracted drought and an intense weather system with associated high winds combined to drive and coalesce the individual fires into the conflagrations that swept Peshtigo and elsewhere. More to the point for this group: is there any credible report on record anywhere of a meteorite arrival igniting a significant fire (other than from historic asteroid-scale impacts)? In contrast, a notable (witnessed) Wisconsin fall -- at Colby -- arrived on the warm and humid evening of July 4, 1917. The meteorite was so cold when recovered that frost formed on it. Mark > > > http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2004/08/23/news/news02.txt > > Could a meteorite or comet cause all the fires of 1871? > By Dale Killingbeck > Cadillac News (Michigan) > August 23, 2004 > > CADILLAC - The skies around Sherman and the village of Clam Lake > undoubtedly turned from blue to black. > > In Chicago, flames were racing through the city and in Peshtigo, Wis., > people were running for their lives. Flames from the woods near Manistee > invaded the town on a quiet Sunday - and people fought for their homes. > > Within three days of the fires, thousands were homeless, hundreds from > Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan dead, and many pioneers faced the winter > without a home or crops to eat. > > In the month of the Perseid Meteor shower, it is interesting to ponder - > could a disintegrated comet be the cause of the fires? > > An Upper Peninsula systems design engineer thinks so, as does a former > physicist with McDonnell Douglas Corp. > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Well-Preserved Layer of Material Ejected From Chesapeake Bay Meteor-Strike Discovered
http://www.uga.edu/news/artman/publish/040823roden.shtml
Well-preserved layer of material ejected from Chesapeake Bay
meteor-strike discovered, report UGA researchers
Writer: Phil Williams, 706/542-8501, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Georgia
Contact: Michael Roden, 706/542-2416, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
August 23, 2004
Athens, Ga. - People in Georgia's Dodge and Bleckley counties have for
years picked up small pieces of natural glass called "Georgiaites,"
which were produced by an unknown asteroid or comet impact millions of
years ago. Just where these small, translucent green objects came from,
however, was unclear.
Now researchers at the University of Georgia, studying a kaolin mine in
Warren County, have found a layer of tiny grains, which indicate that
the grains and the Georgiaites were products of a recently discovered
impact that left a huge crater beneath the waters of the Chesapeake Bay.
"We knew we had these tektites here, but we'd never found them in
place," said Michael Roden, a geologist and part of the research team.
"We believe this layer is further evidence that the Chesapeake Bay
impact was an enormous event with widespread consequences."
The research was published in the August issue of the journal Geology.
The work was spearheaded by UGA graduate student Scott Harris (now with
Brown University) in collaboration with Roden, Paul Schroeder and Steven
Holland of UGA, Ed Albin of Fernbank and Mack Duncan of J.M. Huber
Corporation.
Tektites are brown to green glassy objects, generally small and rounded,
and thought to be of extraterrestrial origin. The only other state in
the United States where tektites have been found in abundance is Texas.
Some 1,700 have been found in Georgia to date, and potassium-argon
geochronology has dated them to around 35 million years of age.
The Chesapeake Bay impact crater was only discovered about a decade ago,
but before the current discovery, there was no known deposition layer
from it extant, and it was unclear whether Georgiaites were the result
of the cataclysmic collision of the Chesapeake Bay bolide with the
Earth. ("Bolide" is a generic term for an impacting body.)
The now-unused kaolin mine in Warren County where the discovery was made
was near the sea's edge in ancient times. This former shore, now across
the central part of Georgia, is more or less coincident with the Fall
Line, and marks the place where ancient seas lapped the land. The impact
in the Chesapeake Bay clearly caused a huge amount of material, both
from the Earth and the asteroid, to become airborne, and the layer -
discovered at a depth of 25 feet in the kaolin mine - was probably laid
down by the event.
It was an active time: In the period between 34 million and 37 million
years ago, at least five comets and/or asteroids collided with the
Earth. Since some of the events may have caused climate alterations and
caused at least regional disruptions of ecosystems, knowing more about
the ejecta from the impacts is important.
The layer reported in Geology is perhaps the most easily accessible,
undisturbed layer of materials that probably came from the Chesapeake
Bay impact and can therefore add knowledge about that event. The search
for the layer, led by Harris, led to the discovery of so-called shocked
quartz - grains whose physical "thumbprint" mark them as having
originated from the extremely high pressures characteristic of an impact
event.
Just how big the explosion was when this celestial visitor hit the Earth
is unclear, but Roden said it was many times bigger than such events as
the explosions of Mt. St. Helen's or even Krakatoa.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Could A Meteorite or Comet Cause All The Fires of 1871?
Dear Ron, and List; I am originally from the Cadillac, MI area, graduated HS there. Lived in Sherman for three years, tiny town and former county seat (and the 1880's civil riot that moved the courthouse to Cadillac). I have seen many thousands of burned white pine and red pine stumps from the 1871 fires. Knowing how dry it can be in Michigan's predominantly pine forests in the month of August, spontaneous combustion is more likely than a meteorite or commentary source of ignition. Heat lightening and thunderstorm related lightening is a much higher probabliltity as is the native americans burning the blueberry bogs as they do annually. During that time, the state was loaded with pine slashings from the buildup of logging the massive forests of the day. I think this story has more holes than an old Willie Nelson T shirt! Skeptical is putting it lightly, I think it is just plain grasping at nothing for the sake of getting one's name in the paper. Must be a very slow news day for the Cadillac Evening News (that I had subscribed to for years). Best, Dave Freeman Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2004/08/23/news/news02.txt Could a meteorite or comet cause all the fires of 1871? By Dale Killingbeck Cadillac News (Michigan) August 23, 2004 CADILLAC - The skies around Sherman and the village of Clam Lake undoubtedly turned from blue to black. In Chicago, flames were racing through the city and in Peshtigo, Wis., people were running for their lives. Flames from the woods near Manistee invaded the town on a quiet Sunday - and people fought for their homes. Within three days of the fires, thousands were homeless, hundreds from Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan dead, and many pioneers faced the winter without a home or crops to eat. In the month of the Perseid Meteor shower, it is interesting to ponder - could a disintegrated comet be the cause of the fires? An Upper Peninsula systems design engineer thinks so, as does a former physicist with McDonnell Douglas Corp. Consider a statement by the Detroit Post on Oct. 10, 1871: "In all parts of the state, as will be noticed by our correspondence during the past few days and also today, there are numerous fires in the wood, in many places approaching so near to towns as to endanger the towns themselves." In Holland, fire destroyed the city, in Lansing flames threatened the agricultural college and in the Thumb, farmers trying to establish homesteads soon would be diving into shallow wells to escape an inferno some newspapers dubbed: "The Fiery Fiend." Many did not escape. Fires threatened Muskegon, South Haven, Grand Rapids, Wayland and reached the outskirts of Big Rapids. A steamship passing the Manitou Islands reported they were on fire. A horror story? Yes. And so real that historic markers to the event can be found at Manistee and in the Thumb. Lots has been written about the storm of fire that killed 2,000 in Peshtigo, Wis., and the Great Chicago Fire and the fires that devastated the Lower Peninsula of Michigan. Theories for the fires are many - but one thing is certain, the devouring flames showed up at the same time. Most historians point to the dry weather of the summer and the poor logging practices of the day for creating conditions ripe for a hot dry wind from the southwest that blew into the area whipping up small fires already smoldering and carrying destruction through the state. Theories for the Chicago and Michigan fires include Mrs. O'Leary's cow knocking over the lantern and then firebrands from Chicago being driven across the lake to ignite Michigan. But there is another interesting theory that continues to make the rounds on the Web and in at least one presentation by a retired physicist who worked for McDonnell Douglas Corp. In 1871, fire erupted in Chicago, Wisconsin and northern Michigan at the same time. Some believe a meteorite or comet was to blame. The Discovery Channel reported on its Web site in March a presentation by Robert Wood, a retired McDonnell-Douglas physicist, who theorizes fragments of a comet discovered in the early 1820s possibly caused the fires. Wood theorized that small pieces of frozen methane, acetylene or other high combustive materials hit the earth sparking the flames. That theory also resounds with Munising's Ken Rieli who believes he found a chunk of meteorite in the waters off the Port Sanilac shore a few years ago. "We started doing an investigation on where the meteorite came from," he said. His investigation also took him back to the Comet Biela that was discovered in 1821 and returned every six years and nine months. It was last seen in 1866 and never showed up in 1872. "It was supposed to recycle and it wasn't there," Rieli said. He questions how fires could start simultaneously in Chicago, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ontario. He also notes how dry summers and strong winds since have never produced a similar result in America's history. "If these are coming down like buc
[meteorite-list] Tunguska Explosion 'Linked' to UFO
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20040823/siberiaufo.html Siberia Explosion Linked to UFO AFP August 23, 2004 A Russian researcher into the paranormal has reopened the controversy over a gigantic explosion almost 100 years ago in Siberia with a claim that he has found debris from a UFO that collided with a comet. But the scientific establishment remains unconvinced. On June 30, 1908, a colossal flash lit up the sky over Siberia, followed by an explosion with the power of a thousand atom bombs. The explosion obliterated the taiga, or forest, for hundreds of square kilometres in the basin of the river Podkamennaya Tunguska in the Krasnoyarsk region. People living in the villages of Siberia thought there had been an earthquake. Humans and animals were thrown to the ground by the shockwave and windows were blown in. No meteorite debris was found and scientists concluded that the core of a comet or an asteroid had exploded. Researcher Yuri Lavbin has spent 12 years researching the mystery of the "Tunguska meteorite" and believes he has found the key to one of the great scientific enigmas of the last century, though many scientists remain sceptical. He is president of the Tunguska Spatial Phenomenon Foundation in Krasnoyarsk, made up of some 15 enthusiasts, among them geologists, chemists, physicists and mineralogists, who have been organising regular expeditions to the area since 1994. Lavbin's theory is that a comet and a mysterious flying machine collided 10 kilometres above the Earth's surface causing the explosion. He and his team say that on an expedition to the Podkamannaya Tunguska river in July they found two strange black stones between two villages. The stones were regular cubes with their sides measuring a metre and a half. These stones "are manifestly not of natural origin," Lavbin said. They appear to have been fired and "their material recalls an alloy used to make space rockets, while at the beginning of the 20th century only planes made of plywood existed." He claimed that the cubes were the remains of a flying machine, perhaps an extraterrestrial spaceship, while admitting that an analysis of the stones had yet to be undertaken. He had also found a huge white stone "the size of a peasant's hut" stuck in the top of a crag in the middle of the devastated forest. "Local people call it the 'reindeer stone.' It is made of a crystalline matter which is not typical of this region," Lavbin said. He suggested it was part of the core of a comet. The scientific establishment has another explanation. "There are plenty of amateurs who organise trips to the site of the Tunguska cataclysm," said Anna Skripnik of the meteorites committee of the Russian Academy of Sciences. "In Siberia where oil geologists regularly work you can find a heap of fragments of various machines." Lavbin is not deterred. To back his theory, he produced satellite photos of the region that show the "footprints" of the spaceship (long marshes and lakes) and of the comet (devastated forests, charred trees and smashed rocks). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could A Meteorite or Comet Cause All The Fires of 1871?
http://www.cadillacnews.com/articles/2004/08/23/news/news02.txt Could a meteorite or comet cause all the fires of 1871? By Dale Killingbeck Cadillac News (Michigan) August 23, 2004 CADILLAC - The skies around Sherman and the village of Clam Lake undoubtedly turned from blue to black. In Chicago, flames were racing through the city and in Peshtigo, Wis., people were running for their lives. Flames from the woods near Manistee invaded the town on a quiet Sunday - and people fought for their homes. Within three days of the fires, thousands were homeless, hundreds from Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan dead, and many pioneers faced the winter without a home or crops to eat. In the month of the Perseid Meteor shower, it is interesting to ponder - could a disintegrated comet be the cause of the fires? An Upper Peninsula systems design engineer thinks so, as does a former physicist with McDonnell Douglas Corp. Consider a statement by the Detroit Post on Oct. 10, 1871: "In all parts of the state, as will be noticed by our correspondence during the past few days and also today, there are numerous fires in the wood, in many places approaching so near to towns as to endanger the towns themselves." In Holland, fire destroyed the city, in Lansing flames threatened the agricultural college and in the Thumb, farmers trying to establish homesteads soon would be diving into shallow wells to escape an inferno some newspapers dubbed: "The Fiery Fiend." Many did not escape. Fires threatened Muskegon, South Haven, Grand Rapids, Wayland and reached the outskirts of Big Rapids. A steamship passing the Manitou Islands reported they were on fire. A horror story? Yes. And so real that historic markers to the event can be found at Manistee and in the Thumb. Lots has been written about the storm of fire that killed 2,000 in Peshtigo, Wis., and the Great Chicago Fire and the fires that devastated the Lower Peninsula of Michigan. Theories for the fires are many - but one thing is certain, the devouring flames showed up at the same time. Most historians point to the dry weather of the summer and the poor logging practices of the day for creating conditions ripe for a hot dry wind from the southwest that blew into the area whipping up small fires already smoldering and carrying destruction through the state. Theories for the Chicago and Michigan fires include Mrs. O'Leary's cow knocking over the lantern and then firebrands from Chicago being driven across the lake to ignite Michigan. But there is another interesting theory that continues to make the rounds on the Web and in at least one presentation by a retired physicist who worked for McDonnell Douglas Corp. In 1871, fire erupted in Chicago, Wisconsin and northern Michigan at the same time. Some believe a meteorite or comet was to blame. The Discovery Channel reported on its Web site in March a presentation by Robert Wood, a retired McDonnell-Douglas physicist, who theorizes fragments of a comet discovered in the early 1820s possibly caused the fires. Wood theorized that small pieces of frozen methane, acetylene or other high combustive materials hit the earth sparking the flames. That theory also resounds with Munising's Ken Rieli who believes he found a chunk of meteorite in the waters off the Port Sanilac shore a few years ago. "We started doing an investigation on where the meteorite came from," he said. His investigation also took him back to the Comet Biela that was discovered in 1821 and returned every six years and nine months. It was last seen in 1866 and never showed up in 1872. "It was supposed to recycle and it wasn't there," Rieli said. He questions how fires could start simultaneously in Chicago, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ontario. He also notes how dry summers and strong winds since have never produced a similar result in America's history. "If these are coming down like buckshot with real dry conditions ..." Rieli theorizes how flaming space rocks could have ignited fires in many places. He said he's been contacted by relatives of survivors of the Peshtigo fire who shared stories from their ancestors about seeing fire falling from the sky. Physicist Wood in his report cited eyewitness reports of spontaneous ignition and "fire balloons." Rieli said Canadian geologists found a huge impact crater 200 feet below Lake Huron in the Port Huron area in the early 1990s. He said he has a relative who participated in drilling for a water pipeline to serve the Detroit in the same area at the same depth. He said crews discovered meteorite-like rock as they bored a hole for the pipeline. "They were bringing it out and piling it up," he said. He said the rock was reformulated and either was volcanic or a meteorite. "It's another piece of evidence that the Michigan area and parts of Canada, Illinois are ground zero for an active meteor strike zone." Michigan State University's David Batch, director of the Abram's Planetarium, said he had not heard the t
Re: [meteorite-list] Are Meteorites For Boys Only?
This is a hillarious thread about meteorites and sex! I though I would sit back and
be entertained, but there is that pesky Y chromosome to cope with while all of you
speak your minds...
Anyway, my juvenile take on it all is that,
1. Guys want to promise gals a ride to the stars, fireworks, etc.
2. Gals just want the forever diamond in the rough urelite, or if you are lucky,
they'll settle for Mr. Haag's big peridot.
>From these two postulates, you can explain the species-
-the "baby hop in my corvette. Don't get the leather dirty and watch out for the
meteorite thrown on the seat!"
-the "check out my rocks, honey (they may be old and rusty and not much to look at
now, but once they fell from heaven amid Zeus's thunderbolts)"
-Look sweetheart, a bessey speck of Mars! (she says: can we go to the beach, and see
the 9.99 X 10^999 bessey speck silicates of the third planet for once.)
Honey, you don't understand, I own Martian real estate ... here, you can touch it.
Really, touch it... it's mine. She says, "My love you are so confused, can you
take a hint what a girl wants!"
-the "My meteorite (or whatever) is bigger than his, a.k.a., bigger is better."
-the My micromount (or whatever) comes in a small box and is managable.
-the "I am king of the natives, they worship me by selling the secret stone, and you
can be my queen of the modern pygmy campesinos if you let me spend thousand$ on more
rocks as I blow their minds with money.
-yes, she says, "I am an artist in the kitchen and he scavenges funny rocks."
-Wow, after all these years I have my new meteorite case. She says, "The dog loves it
because it looks like a fire hydrant my love, not because he is awed by meteorites. I
swear you're gonna have to sponge up Rover's mess as soon as you move it from where
everyone trips."
"But Honey, don't make fun of Rover! I spent months training him to smell organic
meteorites and big bucks on Murchison for practice. The next carbonaceous fall and
Rover will leave all those meteoriteman wannabees heads spinning while he goes
fetching, especially where they can't".
"Right baby," she says, "this is going a bit far, don't you think? The Smith's dog is
happy enough with bones. Does Rover really need meteorites to chew on, I mean doesn't
he get enough iron in the puppy chow?"
You can even make a stab from this on why garbagewomen are just as rare as meteorite
collectrixes, pool cleaner chicas, women boxers. Maybe most of them know something
the guys haven't figured out, by the way, guys are sometimes accused of having higher
specific gravities.
This is just one man's point of view and furthermore deferred 100% to the expertas,
and still personally would be totally humbled to my knees if she even offered to cook
me dinner instead of just shoving her meteorites in my face thinking this is all I
wanted from her. So hopefully things won't change too quickly in my lifetime.
Of course I'd be happy to do the cooking and dishes for Paris Hilton if she invited me
to her isolarted private Rancho Elipse de Dispersión in her private jet, as long as
she let me do (at least some of) the hunting.
Saludos, Doug
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escribe:
I believe you are right: girls are oriented towards girlish things to a
certain extent. I remember being a kid and watching my older brother become
fascinated with dinosaurs. At a very early age he was correctly identifying
pictures of different dinosaurs and pronouncing these wonderfully exotic
names. I was in awe of him and jealous of the attention he was getting from
my parents. When I tried to join in, I was ignored. (Of course, I didn't
know what I was talking about...)
It wasn't until I pursued my love of rocks, minerals and fossils on my own
that I discovered meteorites. I would venture to say that girls/women aren't
exposed to these things and therefore don't know what they're missing! When
I show people my collection (men and women) I occasionally see that gleam in
their eyes ("How cool is that?" "Wow, who would thought?") but then the
flash goes away and they start thinking about what they're going to have for
dinner.
Anita
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Very interesting question and I would leave it to our "girls" to respond.
But there is one (statistical) observation from 32 years of teaching at
a German high school: The girls I have been teaching during the last
32 years were mostly good at languages whereas the boys preferred
scientific subjects. Whether the foundation stone for such orientations
is laid in early childhood, I don't know but I will ask both my 36-year-old
daughter and my 29-year-old son plus my son-in-law what they think
about it. Maybe we
[meteorite-list] Remnants of 1994 Comet Impact Leave Puzzle at Jupiter
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040823.html Remnants of 1994 Comet Impact Leave Puzzle at Jupiter By Robert Roy Britt space.com 23 August 2004 Jupiter's atmosphere still contains remnants of a comet impact from a decade ago, but scientists said last week they are puzzled by how two substances have spread into different locations. The new study also discovered two previously undetected chemicals in Jupiter's air. Grasping what chemical compounds are in and above the Jovian clouds and how they move about could help scientists understand planets outside our solar system, too, said the researchers who produced the work. >From July 16 through July 22, 1994, more than 20 fragments of Comet P/Shoemaker-Levy 9 collided with the gaseous planet, all coming in at about the same latitude, 45 degrees south. Fragments up to 1.2 miles (2 kilometers) sent plumes of hot gas into the Jovian atmosphere. Dark scars lasted for weeks. Shocks created by the impacts led to high-temperature chemical reactions that produced hydrogen cyanide, which remains in the air but has been spread around a bit in the years since. The comet also delivered carbon monoxide and water, which through an interaction with sunlight, scientists suspect, was converted to carbon dioxide. The Cassini spacecraft, now at Saturn, examined Jupiter as it swung by. The new study draws on infrared data from Cassini collected in 2000 and 2001. The hydrogen cyanide has diffused some both north and south, mixed by wave activity, explained Michael Flasar of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. Jupiter's cloud bands carry material around the planet swiftly, but the bands do not mix easily. Not surprisingly, hydrogen cyanide is most abundant in a belt at the latitude where the comet was absorbed. At five degrees of latitude change in both directions, its presence drops off sharply. The highest concentration of carbon dioxide, however, has shifted away from the latitude of the impact. It is most prevalent poleward of 60 degrees south and decreases abruptly, toward the equator, north of 50 degrees south. Another smaller spike in its presence occurs at high northern latitudes, around 70 to 90 degrees north. Perhaps the two chemicals got distributed at different altitudes, and are being moved around by different currents, Flasar told SPACE.com. Or maybe the formation of the carbon dioxide was more complex than thought. He said it might have involved carbon monoxide first moving away from the impact area and then interacting with other substances at higher latitudes before being converted to carbon dioxide. "At high latitudes, precipitation of energetic oxygen ions probably occurs, associated with Jupiter's magnetically induced lights, known as aurora," Flasar explained. "These energetic ions could react with Jupiter's atmosphere to produce hydroxyl, which can oxidize carbon monoxide to produce carbon dioxide." If all that sounds complicated, you're not alone in wondering what's going on. "We're scratching our heads, and we need to work through these, and perhaps other, scenarios," said Flasar, who is principal investigator for Cassini's Composite Infrared Spectrometer. The study, led by Virgil G. Kunde of the University of Maryland, was published Thursday in the online version of the journal Science. The work also uncovered two new compounds, diacetylene and a so-called methyl radical, which are products of the breakup of methane by ultraviolet radiation from the Sun. These were expected but had not been observed at Jupiter before. So far as astronomers know, the more than 100 giant planets found outside our solar system might be something like Jupiter. Only one has had its atmosphere probed. Better knowledge of the substances in Jupiter, and how things move around, should help set the stage for grasping the formation and evolution of gaseous extrasolar planets, the researchers say. "An understanding of the processes governing the composition and distribution of chemical species in Jupiter's atmosphere is required to successfully understand the chemical composition of extrasolar planets," they write in the journal. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Denver Show
What about an auction (Michael Blood) or the usual Mexican food party? Are they happening this year? Mike Farmer I will be there, only having a good time, no selling. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Denver Show > Hello All Members, > > Some of you have asked about the Denver Show. It is getting close, less than > a month away. > This year the official Show is from Friday September 17 to Sunday September > 19, but a lot of people will already be here and all set up by Wednesday > September 15, mostly in the Holiday Inn. > > The COMETS members had a meeting this afternoon and the topic of discussion > was of course the Show. It was decided that as usual we will host an Auction on > Friday evening and a Party in a local Mexican restaurant on Saturday evening. > All the details, schedule, maps will be posted on my site www.IMPACTIKA.com > as soon as available. > If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. > > And BTW, I just added a very distingued Arriba to my site. (just in case > someone is interested!) > > See you all very soon in Denver. > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey Mission Extended to September 2006
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns6308 Mars Odyssey to voyage into future Maggie McKee New Scientist August 23, 2004 NASA's Mars Odyssey mission, originally scheduled to end on Tuesday, has been granted a stay of execution until at least September 2006, reveal NASA scientists. The spacecraft has returned a string of important discoveries about the Red Planet since its launch in 2001, and has been pivotal in the success of the recent Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity. "We have a very healthy spacecraft and a lot more science to do," says project scientist Jeffrey Plaut at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, US. NASA has agreed to fund the mission at $15 million a year for a further two years - the equivalent of three-quarters of Odyssey's original budget. Scientists hope this extension will be the first of many, as engineers predict the spacecraft will survive at least another 10 years. It runs on solar power and has suffered only one failure, when its radiation-monitoring device called MARIE was fried by violent solar storms in 2003. But the craft's other two suites of instruments are still going strong. Its cameras (visible and infrared) and soil composition analysers (made up of gamma-ray and neutron detectors) continue to reveal surprises. Infrared cameras have mapped the entire planet - on both the sunlight and shaded sides of the planet - at a resolution of 100 metres, providing the sharpest-ever global picture of Mars. Melting snow In July 2004, French scientists used the infrared images to create detailed maps of "valley networks" - dense, dry, tributary-like formations a few kilometres long that were thought to have been created by past eruptions of groundwater. "But there were so many sources, you can't explain them by water coming in from the ground - no terrain has that many springs," Plaut told New Scientist. "The team's conclusion is they had to be caused by the runoff of rain or melting snow." Water is central to another of Odyssey's major scientific accomplishments, says Plaut. In 2002, the craft spotted hydrogen atoms in the top metre of soil over much of the planet. High concentrations of hydrogen from the poles to latitudes of 60 degrees suggest those regions are ice-rich soils. But lower hydrogen concentrations in swathes around the planet's equatorial regions suggest the signal comes from minerals that had been exposed to water in the past. These types of hydrates are exactly what NASA's Opportunity rover has seen in surface rocks in 2004. "It's neat because we're starting to connect the dots between what we observe from these orbiters and what we then observe with rovers on the ground," Plaut says. Lost probes Odyssey has been crucial to the success of Opportunity and its twin, Spirit. It has transmitted 85 per cent of the data the rovers have beamed up from the Martian surface to Earth. If Odyssey gets more life extensions, it may play a similar role with a future NASA rover called Phoenix. That rover is due to land on Mars in 2008 to drill into some of the ice-rich soil Odyssey discovered. Odyssey was originally planned to ferry Phoenix to Mars. But NASA planners scrapped Odyssey's lander after the agency lost two Mars probes in a row in the late 1990s. "Ours was the next mission to Mars on the heels of the twin failures," recalls Plaut. "Basically we were told: 'You cannot fail.' That's a lot of pressure to put on a team." "But when we did succeed, it made a lot of people proud of the space program," he told New Scientist. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroid Shaves Past Earth's Atmosphere (2004 FU162)
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns6307 Asteroid shaves past Earth's atmosphere Jeff Hecht New Scientist August 23, 2004 The closest observed asteroid yet to skim past the Earth without hitting the atmosphere, was reported by astronomers on Sunday. The previously unknown object, spanning five to 10 metres across, has been named 2004 FU162. It streaked across the sky just 6500 kilometres - roughly the radius of the Earth - above the ground on 31 March, although details have only now emerged. The MIT Lincoln Laboratory's asteroid-hunting LINEAR telescope in Socorro, New Mexico,US, observed the new object four times over a 44-minute period, several hours before its closest approach in March. Lincoln astronomers, who have discovered over 40,000 asteroids and comets since 1980, quickly recognised the object came exceptionally close, and posted their findings for confirmation on a web page run by the Minor Planet Center at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. However, by the time it was posted the object had moved into the daytime sky, so follow-up observations were impossible and the listing was quickly removed. A search for prior observations yielded no results. Dissipated harmlessly Despite having only four positions for the object, Steven Chesley of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory was able to calculate its orbit because it was moving rapidly across the sky. He also calculated that the encounter with the Earth shifted the asteroid's orbit closer towards the Sun. Previously orbiting the Sun once a year in an orbit that ranged as far inside the Earth's orbit as outside, 2004 FU162 now has a nine-month orbit centred closer to Venus than the Earth. The Minor Planet Center published Chesley's results on Sunday in its electronic circular. "This was an extraordinarily close encounter and so the orbital change was quite extraordinary. 2004 FU162 was deflected by about 20 degrees because of the Earth's gravity. I've never seen anything like that before," Chesley told New Scientist. The previous record for the closest asteroid approach to Earth was set on 18 March by an object called 2004 FH which missed the Earth by about 40,000 kilometres. That was a much larger object, around 30 metres in diameter - big enough to produce a one-megaton explosion in the atmosphere. Although it was likely to have exploded so high that the energy would have dissipated harmlessly. The smaller 2004 FU162 would have burned up as a fireball ending with a smaller explosion, had it ventured into the Earth's atmosphere. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Lands in Northern California
Why does this crap ALWAYS make the news??? Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:23 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Lands in Northern California http://www.news10.net/storyfull1.asp?id=7864 Possible Meteorite Lands in Turlock Backyard ABC News 10 August 19, 2004 Lisa and Albert Darmousseh of Turlock may have a little piece of Mars in their backyard. At least they hope so. Lisa Darmousseh was watching the Olympics Monday just before midnight when she heard a thud in her backyard. She went out to investigate but didn't see anything. The next afternoon, she noticed divots in the backyard and what looked like several mushrooms or dog droppings. Her husband tried to pick one up with a paper towel and said it still felt hot. "When we saw it at 5:30 or so, the smoke was still coming out of this one," said Albert Darmousseh. The family believes what landed in their backyard was a meteorite that likely broke into three pieces on impact. The biggest piece weighs 137 grams, or about 4.5 ounces, and is the size of a grapefruit. The couple's nephew did a little investigating on the Internet and believes the rock has characteristics in common with ones from Mars. The family has contacted NASA to determine what to do next with the rock. Thousands of meteorites fall to Earth each year. Most burn up in the atmosphere or fall in the sea or remote areas. Only 31 recovered meteorites are known to have come from Mars, which makes them extremely rare and very valuable. Others have been found in Libya, Antarctica, and Southern California. The Darmoussehs say whether or not it's from Mars, it's still exciting to have a rock from outer space in their own backyard. "If it's from Mars, it would be the 32nd, and if it's not, how often do you find an asteroid in your backyard?" said Mike Darmousseh. http://www.turlockjournal.com/news/newsview.asp?c=120427 Mystery rocks may be meteorites Turlock Journal August 21, 2004 A few mysterious rocks were found on Tuesday at a resident's home in Turlock. Home owner's Albert and Lisa Darmousseh believe that the rock fell from the sky. The couple thinks the fist-sized rocks are meteorites, possibly from Mars, but it has not been confirmed the small boulders are anything other than ordinary rocks. Many people were watching the Olympics on Monday night, including the Darmoussehs, until Lisa was disrupted by a loud noise that she described as a thump. "I thought a tree fell in my backyard because the noise was so loud so I went outside and didn't see anything. The next day I went in the backyard to walk my dog and discovered the first meteor. At first I thought it was left over from my dog but then I noticed it was smoking," Lisa Darmousseh said. "I was not expecting this at all. I am very excited and I feel lucky that it happened here. Something like this to happen to us is amazing, Albert Darmousseh said. At first I was shocked and didn't know what it was. I never saw anything like it. I thought it was a mushroom or poop but then I saw that is was smoking and when I picked it up, it was hot so then I thought maybe it came from the sky." Is it a meteor from Mars or excrement from earthlings? The only way to tell is to have an expert in meteors examine the rock but the couple has not had it examined professionally. "Our expert has not confirmed that it is a meteor and our institute hasn't looked at it. We were told a friend of a friend looked at it but our lab hasn't confirmed that it is what they say it is," Linda Ceaver, the public affairs specialist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said. "I spoke with the family and told them that we need to perform some tests on it to determine what it is. We need to do a visual inspection and look at the interior of it. I cautioned the family that the majority of reports like this turn out to be something off an airplane, metal slags, rocks or all sorts of odd things. Based on the description that was given to me, it doesn't sound like it is a meteorite," Dr. John Bradley, director of the institute of geophysics and planetary physics at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said. Fewer than 5 percent are meteorites. If it is it is potentially valuable so it should not be contaminated, he said. "We are delighted to help them out and do this public service but we have not heard back from them. I think an appropriate expert should look at it," Bradley said. "I called a couple newspapers and the police and nobody knew what to tell me to do. Then I had family friend who works at Lawrence Livermore Lab take a look at it and he said that he thinks it is a meteor," she said. The man who she had examine the rock is not an expert on meteors so he is not qualified to confirm that the rock is indeed a meteorite.
[meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Lands in Northern California
http://www.news10.net/storyfull1.asp?id=7864 Possible Meteorite Lands in Turlock Backyard ABC News 10 August 19, 2004 Lisa and Albert Darmousseh of Turlock may have a little piece of Mars in their backyard. At least they hope so. Lisa Darmousseh was watching the Olympics Monday just before midnight when she heard a thud in her backyard. She went out to investigate but didn't see anything. The next afternoon, she noticed divots in the backyard and what looked like several mushrooms or dog droppings. Her husband tried to pick one up with a paper towel and said it still felt hot. "When we saw it at 5:30 or so, the smoke was still coming out of this one," said Albert Darmousseh. The family believes what landed in their backyard was a meteorite that likely broke into three pieces on impact. The biggest piece weighs 137 grams, or about 4.5 ounces, and is the size of a grapefruit. The couple's nephew did a little investigating on the Internet and believes the rock has characteristics in common with ones from Mars. The family has contacted NASA to determine what to do next with the rock. Thousands of meteorites fall to Earth each year. Most burn up in the atmosphere or fall in the sea or remote areas. Only 31 recovered meteorites are known to have come from Mars, which makes them extremely rare and very valuable. Others have been found in Libya, Antarctica, and Southern California. The Darmoussehs say whether or not it's from Mars, it's still exciting to have a rock from outer space in their own backyard. "If it's from Mars, it would be the 32nd, and if it's not, how often do you find an asteroid in your backyard?" said Mike Darmousseh. http://www.turlockjournal.com/news/newsview.asp?c=120427 Mystery rocks may be meteorites Turlock Journal August 21, 2004 A few mysterious rocks were found on Tuesday at a resident's home in Turlock. Home owner's Albert and Lisa Darmousseh believe that the rock fell from the sky. The couple thinks the fist-sized rocks are meteorites, possibly from Mars, but it has not been confirmed the small boulders are anything other than ordinary rocks. Many people were watching the Olympics on Monday night, including the Darmoussehs, until Lisa was disrupted by a loud noise that she described as a thump. "I thought a tree fell in my backyard because the noise was so loud so I went outside and didn't see anything. The next day I went in the backyard to walk my dog and discovered the first meteor. At first I thought it was left over from my dog but then I noticed it was smoking," Lisa Darmousseh said. "I was not expecting this at all. I am very excited and I feel lucky that it happened here. Something like this to happen to us is amazing, Albert Darmousseh said. At first I was shocked and didn't know what it was. I never saw anything like it. I thought it was a mushroom or poop but then I saw that is was smoking and when I picked it up, it was hot so then I thought maybe it came from the sky." Is it a meteor from Mars or excrement from earthlings? The only way to tell is to have an expert in meteors examine the rock but the couple has not had it examined professionally. "Our expert has not confirmed that it is a meteor and our institute hasn't looked at it. We were told a friend of a friend looked at it but our lab hasn't confirmed that it is what they say it is," Linda Ceaver, the public affairs specialist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said. "I spoke with the family and told them that we need to perform some tests on it to determine what it is. We need to do a visual inspection and look at the interior of it. I cautioned the family that the majority of reports like this turn out to be something off an airplane, metal slags, rocks or all sorts of odd things. Based on the description that was given to me, it doesn't sound like it is a meteorite," Dr. John Bradley, director of the institute of geophysics and planetary physics at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, said. Fewer than 5 percent are meteorites. If it is it is potentially valuable so it should not be contaminated, he said. "We are delighted to help them out and do this public service but we have not heard back from them. I think an appropriate expert should look at it," Bradley said. "I called a couple newspapers and the police and nobody knew what to tell me to do. Then I had family friend who works at Lawrence Livermore Lab take a look at it and he said that he thinks it is a meteor," she said. The man who she had examine the rock is not an expert on meteors so he is not qualified to confirm that the rock is indeed a meteorite. The other night CSPAN aired a sow on meteorites from Mars that have "blueberries" (multiple colored bumps and holes) on them and after seeing the show the Darmoussehs got the idea that their mystery rock might be a interplanetary rock from the closest planet to Earth. "The man from the lab said th
RE: [meteorite-list] Are Meteorites For Boys Only?
I believe you are right: girls are oriented towards girlish things to a
certain extent. I remember being a kid and watching my older brother become
fascinated with dinosaurs. At a very early age he was correctly identifying
pictures of different dinosaurs and pronouncing these wonderfully exotic
names. I was in awe of him and jealous of the attention he was getting from
my parents. When I tried to join in, I was ignored. (Of course, I didn't
know what I was talking about...)
It wasn't until I pursued my love of rocks, minerals and fossils on my own
that I discovered meteorites. I would venture to say that girls/women aren't
exposed to these things and therefore don't know what they're missing! When
I show people my collection (men and women) I occasionally see that gleam in
their eyes ("How cool is that?" "Wow, who would thought?") but then the
flash goes away and they start thinking about what they're going to have for
dinner.
Anita
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Very interesting question and I would leave it to our "girls" to respond.
But there is one (statistical) observation from 32 years of teaching at
a German high school: The girls I have been teaching during the last
32 years were mostly good at languages whereas the boys preferred
scientific subjects. Whether the foundation stone for such orientations
is laid in early childhood, I don't know but I will ask both my 36-year-old
daughter and my 29-year-old son plus my son-in-law what they think
about it. Maybe we "automatically" bring up boys orienting them more
toward science while we "inadvertently" direct girls toward "more female"
things (whatever that is) ... I really don't know but would like to know !
Best wishes,
Bernd
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[meteorite-list] ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY - AUGUST 23, 2004
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[meteorite-list] Sort of Meteorite related
Hello All, Looking to trade 40 WWII One Centavo Japanese Occupation Notes (Phillipines) for $8.00 worth of small pieces of any meteorite except NWA Unclassifieds. If interested, drop me a line! Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
