Re: [meteorite-list] Ain't it an a* s * s* h * a * m * e ? ? ?
Dear Cj it is the first of September and time for the quarterly quarrels, rants, resignations, and rejoining ritual. or Q2R3R(Cue Squared aRe cubed aRe) event in NASA parlance. Don't worry about it, what goes around comes around, literally. It is especially bad this time owing to the need for political expression madness. Everyone gets the idea that they have the only say on political punditism and feels compelled like a lemming to walk the gauntlet of political bashing and self flagilation they know their baited comment is going to elicit. Also hunting season is around the corner and many posters get early practice by shooting themselves in the foot. Frankly they are holding the barrel towards the wrong appendage but that is another quarrel I have and I'll save it that for the winter Q2R3R. IN fact I may leave the list just to see if I can remember how. I need the Venician protocol in place before. What is the Venician protocol? I need to invent 6 other names and have them on the list before I rant off in resignation. All is go ruin now with these grievous surrogate political breast beatings. I think the 527 Group theskyisfalling.org is behind everything. Unsubscribe!!! yeah thats the ticket... I am going up to my wife now...my wifeer...um MOOOREgan Fairchild...yeah thats right Elton Bummer about that stuck "*" key Peanut .. wrote: Hello All and whoever wants to leave, I just wanted to say that the real shame here is that "somebody" here is letting this get to them. This is going to happen in ANY forum or mailing list. this person shouldn't punish or deny themselves the other information and conversation that is put out on this list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte magnetism
Dear MexicoDoug, and all; I see the phrase "...man is it magnetic" used below. I find that most folks use "magnetic" in meaning the rock is attracted to a magnet...and that is a non correct use of the word. A magnet is magnetic, as is natural lode stone. Car engine blocks although made of iron, are not magnetic. Hematite, magnetite (except for lode stone), and banded iron formation (iron ore) are not magnetic. Could you clarify the use of "man is it magnetic"? Magnetic personality, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Martin, Your question about Pasamonte is a very interesting one for me, because last night I was pondering the same thing for some terrestrial rocks found while meteorite hunting Sunday. I got a total of about 40 "hematite nodules" shaped from nice kidney-rose balls to a crinoidal replacement, and even a few poor examples of hexagonal crystalline specimens. All but one were non-magnetic to a powerful rare earth magnet which can lift 8 poinds of iron when its 2 square cm surface are is in contact. The odd thing is that the unique one that scared the daylights out of me in the field me by audibly snapping to the magnet, a rather non-descript small slightly blacker weathered fragment, polishes red and leaves red streak, but man is it magnetic. Now besides really being interested in your Pasamonte observation for that special meteorite itself, the link your question has to my own curious situation is ... "Is the certain piece really special, not random" or is it just a perhaps part of the typical Gaussian tail, i.e. statistically a little bit of magnetic iron material getting distributed realitively widely during formation. My case is for hematite "nodule" growths at the bottom of an ancient sea (now desert). That opens some interesting musing about Vesta "geo"logy itself and what processes might have been at work locally on Pasamonte's Vesta parent locality to create the diverse conditions you are suggesting... Pretty post, I pray prominent Pasamonte piece proprieters produce prime & pertinent points. Saludos, Doug Michael Blood escribe: Hi Martin & list, I used one of the rare earth magnets (about 1 oz - identical to the one taped very near the end of my meteorite cane). These magnets are so powerful you will get a blood blister if any flesh is between the surfaces when you put one within 4 to 6 inches of iron. VERY difficult to remove from an even metal surface. THE most intense magnet I have come across. The Pasamonte individual is the 12.6g oriented whole stone of Ninninger fame. I carefully held it as I slowly approached it with the magnet with NO discernable effect clear up to contact. However, when I very precariously ballanced the stone on its side in my hand and slowly approached it with the magnet, it did lean toward it when it got within about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. That's my report from San Diego. Best wishes, Michael on 9/6/04 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I have two very nice partial individuals of Pasamonte, both with crust and Nininger numbers. However one is highly attracted to a magnet, while the other is not. Before jumping to all kinds of speculation, I would like to ask a favor of this List that really uses the power of a discussion group like this forum. Could those of you with pieces of Pasamonte (the 1933 eucrite fall) hold a strong magnet to your you piece(s) and report back as how your Pasamonte piece responded to the magnet. It might also help if you noted the rough size of the piece and the relative strength of the magnet. Thanks, and let the amateur science begin! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pasamonte magnetism
Hola Martin, Your question about Pasamonte is a very interesting one for me, because last night I was pondering the same thing for some terrestrial rocks found while meteorite hunting Sunday. I got a total of about 40 "hematite nodules" shaped from nice kidney-rose balls to a crinoidal replacement, and even a few poor examples of hexagonal crystalline specimens. All but one were non-magnetic to a powerful rare earth magnet which can lift 8 poinds of iron when its 2 square cm surface are is in contact. The odd thing is that the unique one that scared the daylights out of me in the field me by audibly snapping to the magnet, a rather non-descript small slightly blacker weathered fragment, polishes red and leaves red streak, but man is it magnetic. Now besides really being interested in your Pasamonte observation for that special meteorite itself, the link your question has to my own curious situation is ... "Is the certain piece really special, not random" or is it just a perhaps part of the typical Gaussian tail, i.e. statistically a little bit of magnetic iron material getting distributed realitively widely during formation. My case is for hematite "nodule" growths at the bottom of an ancient sea (now desert). That opens some interesting musing about Vesta "geo"logy itself and what processes might have been at work locally on Pasamonte's Vesta parent locality to create the diverse conditions you are suggesting... Pretty post, I pray prominent Pasamonte piece proprieters produce prime & pertinent points. Saludos, Doug Michael Blood escribe: Hi Martin & list, I used one of the rare earth magnets (about 1 oz - identical to the one taped very near the end of my meteorite cane). These magnets are so powerful you will get a blood blister if any flesh is between the surfaces when you put one within 4 to 6 inches of iron. VERY difficult to remove from an even metal surface. THE most intense magnet I have come across. The Pasamonte individual is the 12.6g oriented whole stone of Ninninger fame. I carefully held it as I slowly approached it with the magnet with NO discernable effect clear up to contact. However, when I very precariously ballanced the stone on its side in my hand and slowly approached it with the magnet, it did lean toward it when it got within about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. That's my report from San Diego. Best wishes, Michael on 9/6/04 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi All, > > I have two very nice partial individuals of Pasamonte, both with crust and > Nininger numbers. However one is highly attracted to a magnet, while the other > is not. > > Before jumping to all kinds of speculation, I would like to ask a favor of > this List that really uses the power of a discussion group like this forum. > Could those of you with pieces of Pasamonte (the 1933 eucrite fall) hold a > strong magnet to your you piece(s) and report back as how your Pasamonte piece > responded to the magnet. It might also help if you noted the rough size of the > piece and the relative strength of the magnet. > > Thanks, and let the amateur science begin! > > Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Wanted Classification "off" finest widmanstatten lines
Hi List, I am trying to locate a small etched slice of meteorite which would show the finest octahedrite widmanstatten lines <.2 mm. If someone has an answer, please email me. Thanks Jerry A. Baird __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Last AD: Juancheng+ Zag+NWA 788
Lars, I've tried to send this privately but it bounced so I'll take the three for $55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] if they're not already spoken for. Jerry - Original Message - From: "Solvænget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Last AD: Juancheng+ Zag+NWA 788 > Hi > Here is the last sales ad from me. > > I have 3 specimens to sell as one deal. > > -A 9,9 gram whole Juancheng individual 99 % crusted. > > -A nice10,6 gram Zag, full slice, very brechiated, very "blueish" aperance. > > -And finaly a very nice NWA 788 , whole individual, 9,96 gram > > Anyone who will PayPal me $55 for all 3 of them ? > > Best wishes > Lars Pedersen > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte attracted to a magnet?
Hello Martin and all, Nice experiment. I have two specimens for your database: 1. 100% crusted individual; oriented, 7 grams, Nininger #197.hh 2. a cut, crusted fragment, 6.32 grams Neither one has the slightest attraction to a strong rare earth magnet (circular 1" dia., 1/4" thick) By the way, the above individual easily is one of the top five favorite pieces in my collection :-) (Actually today it lies at #3) Looking forward to seeing how the results of your experiment turn out. Sincerely, Frank - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte attracted to a magnet? > Hi All, > > I have two very nice partial individuals of Pasamonte, both with crust and Nininger numbers. However one is highly attracted to a magnet, while the other is not. > > Before jumping to all kinds of speculation, I would like to ask a favor of this List that really uses the power of a discussion group like this forum. Could those of you with pieces of Pasamonte (the 1933 eucrite fall) hold a strong magnet to your you piece(s) and report back as how your Pasamonte piece responded to the magnet. It might also help if you noted the rough size of the piece and the relative strength of the magnet. > > Thanks, and let the amateur science begin! > > Martin > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte attracted to a magnet?
Hi Martin & list, I used one of the rare earth magnets (about 1 oz - identical to the one taped very near the end of my meteorite cane). These magnets are so powerful you will get a blood blister if any flesh is between the surfaces when you put one within 4 to 6 inches of iron. VERY difficult to remove from an even metal surface. THE most intense magnet I have come across. The Pasamonte individual is the 12.6g oriented whole stone of Ninninger fame. I carefully held it as I slowly approached it with the magnet with NO discernable effect clear up to contact. However, when I very precariously ballanced the stone on its side in my hand and slowly approached it with the magnet, it did lean toward it when it got within about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. That's my report from San Diego. Best wishes, Michael on 9/6/04 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi All, > > I have two very nice partial individuals of Pasamonte, both with crust and > Nininger numbers. However one is highly attracted to a magnet, while the other > is not. > > Before jumping to all kinds of speculation, I would like to ask a favor of > this List that really uses the power of a discussion group like this forum. > Could those of you with pieces of Pasamonte (the 1933 eucrite fall) hold a > strong magnet to your you piece(s) and report back as how your Pasamonte piece > responded to the magnet. It might also help if you noted the rough size of the > piece and the relative strength of the magnet. > > Thanks, and let the amateur science begin! > > Martin > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes. -- http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=this_land&track= 0&ratingBar=off -- http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm -- "It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." - Hermann Goering -- When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben & Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] This is about Meteorites!
In addition to Peter´s own pics here is a link to a photo of the famous Hraschina meteorite, from the museum´s website: http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/NHM/Mineral/pic/11HRASCH.htm I have been there only a few weeks ago and will return in February next year. What a museum, and what a display - just amazing (..and not only with meteorites)! The "Naturhistorisches Museum Wien", built 1871 - 1889 by Gottfried Semper and Carl Hasenauer in the neo renaissance style is one of the big five natural history museums in the world, and houses one of the most famous meteorite collections worldwide, with almost 1000 meteorite specimen on display in hall V. A "MUST VISIT!" in every respect. Alex Berlin/Germany (...well, our own here in Berlin also is well worth a visit! :-)) > Hi list, > > please have a look at the Cabin Creek and an few other meteorite > pictures I took at the Vienna Museum of Natural History in February 2004. > > http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ > > ... just to help you find back to the topic of this wonderful list: > Meteorites!!! > > Peter Marmet > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chondrule(s) in DaG 319
> Bernd and List, Hi John and List, > Aside from the origin of ureilites, it appears that traces of chondrules > are found in polymict ureilites and are probably from impactors - like > the chondrules sometimes found in howardites. See Mr. Weir's page > on DaG 319. > I might be lucky enough to have a thin section of DaG 319 > that contains a chondrule. Tell me what you think. > http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_DaG_319_Ureilite_-_Polymict.html Thanks for the beautiful pics. I have a thin section of the DaG 319, too. I got mine from Dean Bessey. Which part of your section might contain such a chondrule? I'll send you two JPEGs of my thin section in a separate mail so that you can compare it to yours. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pasamonte attracted to a magnet?
Hi All, I have two very nice partial individuals of Pasamonte, both with crust and Nininger numbers. However one is highly attracted to a magnet, while the other is not. Before jumping to all kinds of speculation, I would like to ask a favor of this List that really uses the power of a discussion group like this forum. Could those of you with pieces of Pasamonte (the 1933 eucrite fall) hold a strong magnet to your you piece(s) and report back as how your Pasamonte piece responded to the magnet. It might also help if you noted the rough size of the piece and the relative strength of the magnet. Thanks, and let the amateur science begin! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Last AD: Juancheng+ Zag+NWA 788
Hi Here is the last sales ad from me. I have 3 specimens to sell as one deal. -A 9,9 gram whole Juancheng individual 99 % crusted. -A nice10,6 gram Zag, full slice, very brechiated, very "blueish" aperance. -And finaly a very nice NWA 788 , whole individual, 9,96 gram Anyone who will PayPal me $55 for all 3 of them ? Best wishes Lars Pedersen __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins
Bernd and List, Aside from the origin of ureilites, it appears that traces of chondrules are found in polymict ureilites and are probably from impactors - like the chondrules sometimes found in howardites. See Mr. Weir's page on DaG 319. I might be lucky enough to have a thin section of DaG 319 that contains a chondrule. Tell me what you think. http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_DaG_319_Ureilite_-_Polymict.html Regards, John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins They had to have been carbonaceous meteorites of some sort to begin with, but the articles I've seen don't seem to offer a clear picture of what they were like before they were shocked. CM, perhaps? Hello Marc, Frédéric, and List, Here is what I've harvested during the last few minutes: Cyrena Anne Goodrich, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona Invited Review - Ureilites: A critical review (Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, pp. 327-352): 1) Nilpena contains clasts of carbonaceous chondrite matrix material. Detailed petrographic and mineralogic studies have shown that this material has close affinities to CI - and differs substantially from CM-matrix (Brearley and Prinz, 1989; 1992). Frédéric, "close affinities to CI" would also explain why we do not find any chondrules or relict chondrules in ureilites - there have never been any. But, ... now look at this - it is from the same review by C.A. Goodrich: 2) CI-matrix clasts in Nilpena have an oxygen-isotope composition plotting on the extension of the Allende mixing line on the 17^O-rich side of the terrestrial fractionation line, rather than within the field of CI matrix compositions (Brearley and Prinz, 1992). So the starting material may have been CI- o r CV-like. If it was CV-like, we might really expect to find traces of chondrules or at least chondrule precursor material. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
In a message dated 9/6/2004 11:42:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To whom it concerns - I just got this mail : > Hi Bernd, Hope things are well with you over there. Can you > tell me how I go about unsubscribing from the meteorite list? > Can't find my original email and I've had enough of all the > ranting; life's too short. .. and this mail does not come from "Who?- Never heard your name before!" but from a very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member of this list! .. what a shame !!! ___ Bernd, Was this member around about 4 years ago when we started to discuss an Association? Do you remember the emails we had to endure then? Compared to that, these "rantings" are just mild disagreements. I am sure there are plenty of old timers around who still remember, and can't forget. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins
Thanks for your response Bernd! As far as CI are concerned, yes they have no chondrule and I did not think of them before writing my e-mail. But then the oxygen-isotope study is getting us confused... CV?... As far as I know, there was no evidence of presolar diamonds existence. Am I right or wrong? Should they exist, and should one find some in a Ureilite, what can we expect then about the origin of those meteorites? I know that some studies are on rails both in France and Japan about Ureilites, so let's hope that they will bring some answers... Cheers, Fred - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins > They had to have been carbonaceous meteorites of some sort to begin > with, but the articles I've seen don't seem to offer a clear picture > of what they were like before they were shocked. CM, perhaps? Hello Marc, Frédéric, and List, Here is what I've harvested during the last few minutes: Cyrena Anne Goodrich, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona Invited Review - Ureilites: A critical review (Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, pp. 327-352): 1) Nilpena contains clasts of carbonaceous chondrite matrix material. Detailed petrographic and mineralogic studies have shown that this material has close affinities to CI - and differs substantially from CM-matrix (Brearley and Prinz, 1989; 1992). Frédéric, "close affinities to CI" would also explain why we do not find any chondrules or relict chondrules in ureilites - there have never been any. But, ... now look at this - it is from the same review by C.A. Goodrich: 2) CI-matrix clasts in Nilpena have an oxygen-isotope composition plotting on the extension of the Allende mixing line on the 17^O-rich side of the terrestrial fractionation line, rather than within the field of CI matrix compositions (Brearley and Prinz, 1992). So the starting material may have been CI- o r CV-like. If it was CV-like, we might really expect to find traces of chondrules or at least chondrule precursor material. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
Hi Bernd and all, I cannot help but be continually amazed that people choose to leave the list rather than learn to use their DELETE button. I just don't get it. When one of these ridiculous rant exchanges occur, there are TWO dead giveaways: 1) the SENDER posting to the list at that time 2) the wording in the SUBJECT box Therefore, there HAS to be some sort of motivation to read these posts on the part of the person objecting to them! IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING SUCH POSTS, DON'T OPEN THE POSTS! I have heard every possible objection to these posts, and almost every objection has merit. What does NOT have merit, given that READING THEM IS OPTIONAL, is why anyone would subject themselves to them - then leave in a self righteous huff - after they, themselves, had exposed themselves by reading them! It's not like a flasher jumped out from the bushes unannounced! The damned posts have "WARNING!" stamped all over them from the sender and subject! Its as though people at a party hear there is rotten food at the end of the smorgasbord table, and they go down to the end, fill their plate with the rotten food and eat it, and then get all outraged, and declare they are leaving the party because they were fed rotten food! I DON'T GET IT. There is a lot of food at this party, why eat the bad food and then leave in protest??? Sure, one is exposed the first post or two, but then, by sender and subject, one can simply bypass those posts until the garbage storm passes. Best wishes to all, Michael > To whom it concerns - I just got this mail : > >> Hi Bernd, Hope things are well with you over there. Can you >> tell me how I go about unsubscribing from the meteorite list? >> Can't find my original email and I've had enough of all the >> ranting; life's too short. > > > .. and this mail does not come from "Who?- Never heard your name before!" > but from a very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member > of this list! > > .. what a shame !!! > > .. oh well ... > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
Hello All and whoever wants to leave, I just wanted to say that the real shame here is that "somebody" here is letting this get to them. This is going to happen in ANY forum or mailing list. this person shouldn't punish or deny themselves the other information and conversation that is put out on this list. You want fights, you should subscribe to a coin collecting mailing list. It makes these two look like best friends! I agree that instead of fighting over who's been where and how many times, they should both just get on a plane, fly to some local desert and have it out (Maybe they'll find a new meteorite while they are there). I have no problem with either parties, I buy from both and have had good, honest service as far as I can tell. That's the bottom line. So just think about that before becoming some in the closet, ebay, meteorite collecting, hermit. It's really not worth it when you can just delete the emails you don't wish to read! Thanks, Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ureilite Origins
> They had to have been carbonaceous meteorites of some sort to begin > with, but the articles I've seen don't seem to offer a clear picture > of what they were like before they were shocked. CM, perhaps? Hello Marc, Frédéric, and List, Here is what I've harvested during the last few minutes: Cyrena Anne Goodrich, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona Invited Review - Ureilites: A critical review (Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, pp. 327-352): 1) Nilpena contains clasts of carbonaceous chondrite matrix material. Detailed petrographic and mineralogic studies have shown that this material has close affinities to CI - and differs substantially from CM-matrix (Brearley and Prinz, 1989; 1992). Frédéric, "close affinities to CI" would also explain why we do not find any chondrules or relict chondrules in ureilites - there have never been any. But, ... now look at this - it is from the same review by C.A. Goodrich: 2) CI-matrix clasts in Nilpena have an oxygen-isotope composition plotting on the extension of the Allende mixing line on the 17^O-rich side of the terrestrial fractionation line, rather than within the field of CI matrix compositions (Brearley and Prinz, 1992). So the starting material may have been CI- o r CV-like. If it was CV-like, we might really expect to find traces of chondrules or at least chondrule precursor material. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This is about Meteorites!
Hi list, please have a look at the Cabin Creek and an few other meteorite pictures I took at the Vienna Museum of Natural History in February 2004. http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ ... just to help you find back to the topic of this wonderful list: Meteorites!!! Peter Marmet __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
Here Here!! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "meteoriteshow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ? > I wonder why this kind of crazy fight happens from time to time on the > meteorite list, as if some people miss it when topics are only related to > meteorites, without any conflict to take part... I've been a member for > almost two years now, and still manage to bear those periods of crazyness, > erasing the posts after reading the ten first words when they are not > interesting to me, but I must admit that it is tiring and I can understand > people who get fed up. > I do not know who is the person who sent this e-mail to you Bernd, and I > guess he is someone the list will miss if you say so. It's a shame, I agree > with you! > Fred Beroud > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:41 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ? > > > > To whom it concerns - I just got this mail : > > > > > Hi Bernd, Hope things are well with you over there. Can you > > > tell me how I go about unsubscribing from the meteorite list? > > > Can't find my original email and I've had enough of all the > > > ranting; life's too short. > > > > > > .. and this mail does not come from "Who?- Never heard your name before!" > > but from a very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member > > of this list! > > > > .. what a shame !!! > > > > .. oh well ... > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] urelite origins
Hello, I am not a scientist and therefore not able to analyse Raman data futher than seing which type of mineral was hit by the laser beam. But I have also heard that some scientits suggest that some diamonds in Ureilites could be presolar, and therefore not necessarily formed by shock... Also, I wonder if Ureilites were formed from carbonaceous meteorites, as we would still find some chondrules, even very rare, which is not the case... Ureilites are definitely achondrites. Well I do not know really, and I also wonder. I know from Raman data obtained on one Ureilite that we found, that diamonds are located most of the time in areas of the meteorite where mostly graphite can be found, which is quite understandable. But I do not know how the reason why some of this graphite turned to diamond can be found within Raman data. Can you explain to me with words as simple as possible, as once again I'm not a scientist! Thank you very much. Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: "Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] urelite origins > Greetings > >I've got a meteorite question. Having seen enough Raman data to be > convinced that the diamonds in urelites are formed by shock > compression, I'm wondering - does anyone have an opinion on what sort > of meteorite they started out as? They had to have been carbonaceous > meteorites of some sort to begin with, but the articles I've seen don't > seem to offer a clear picture of what they were like before they were > shocked. CM, perhaps? > > Cheers, > MDF > > > --- > Marc D. Fries, Ph.D. > Postdoctoral Research Associate > Carnegie Institution of Washington > Geophysical Laboratory > 5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW > Washington, DC 20015 > PH: 202 478 7970 > FAX: 202 478 8901 > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
Hopefully Bernd they will come back again like other "very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member(s) of this list" have! All the best, Greg Greg Redfern JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.imca.cc Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ? To whom it concerns - I just got this mail : > Hi Bernd, Hope things are well with you over there. Can you > tell me how I go about unsubscribing from the meteorite list? > Can't find my original email and I've had enough of all the > ranting; life's too short. .. and this mail does not come from "Who?- Never heard your name before!" but from a very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member of this list! .. what a shame !!! .. oh well ... __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
I wonder why this kind of crazy fight happens from time to time on the meteorite list, as if some people miss it when topics are only related to meteorites, without any conflict to take part... I've been a member for almost two years now, and still manage to bear those periods of crazyness, erasing the posts after reading the ten first words when they are not interesting to me, but I must admit that it is tiring and I can understand people who get fed up. I do not know who is the person who sent this e-mail to you Bernd, and I guess he is someone the list will miss if you say so. It's a shame, I agree with you! Fred Beroud - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ? > To whom it concerns - I just got this mail : > > > Hi Bernd, Hope things are well with you over there. Can you > > tell me how I go about unsubscribing from the meteorite list? > > Can't find my original email and I've had enough of all the > > ranting; life's too short. > > > .. and this mail does not come from "Who?- Never heard your name before!" > but from a very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member > of this list! > > .. what a shame !!! > > .. oh well ... > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] urelite origins
Greetings I've got a meteorite question. Having seen enough Raman data to be convinced that the diamonds in urelites are formed by shock compression, I'm wondering - does anyone have an opinion on what sort of meteorite they started out as? They had to have been carbonaceous meteorites of some sort to begin with, but the articles I've seen don't seem to offer a clear picture of what they were like before they were shocked. CM, perhaps? Cheers, MDF --- Marc D. Fries, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Associate Carnegie Institution of Washington Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW Washington, DC 20015 PH: 202 478 7970 FAX: 202 478 8901 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ain't it a s * h * a * m * e ? ? ?
To whom it concerns - I just got this mail : > Hi Bernd, Hope things are well with you over there. Can you > tell me how I go about unsubscribing from the meteorite list? > Can't find my original email and I've had enough of all the > ranting; life's too short. .. and this mail does not come from "Who?- Never heard your name before!" but from a very respected, highly esteemed, intelligent, long-time member of this list! .. what a shame !!! .. oh well ... __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD. : Ureilite ... very cheap
METEORITE NAME: NWA 2225 COUNTRY/STATE: Morocco/Algeria CLASS:Ureilite DATE OF FALL/FIND: 2003 TKW:40 gram SPECIMEN WEIGHT:1,99 gram SPECIMEN DESCRIPTION: Part slice Remarks: Very fine specimen Picture on request Anyone willing to paypal me $50 for this very rare meteorite ? :-) Lars Pedersen __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fred L. Whipple
Also in Met.Bull. 88 (MAPS 39-8, 2004, August, pp. A199-A213): Report Oral histories in meteoritics and planetary science XIII : F r e d L. W h i p p l e Author: U.B. Marvin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SaU 119
Frederic Beroud wrote: > According to the CD-Rom made by Pierre-Marie > Pele about NWAs, the TKW of NWA 237 is 61g. > Also does anyone have information on SAU 119? SaU 119, H4; S2; W4 Find Jan 20, 2002 21° 00.2' N / 57° 18.9' E TKW 472 grams / 1 stone Classification: S. Afanasiev Analysis: A. Ulianov Reference: Met.Bull. 88, in MAPS 39-8, p. A258. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Re: More Unsubstantiated Allegations
Bernhard Rems wrote: Hmm... I never saw that Michael made accusations against Mauro Daniel. I can remember that he accused a certain Matteo - but this Matteo was banned from the list, if I remember correctly (or he said he would leave forever, don't quite remember), so I really don't understand what Mr. Daniel says here, especially as he always insisted on NOT being Matteo). This is a strange day today. Must be something in the air... Hi Bernhard, Yes, a strange day indeed. It's not a full moon either is it? Just like Mr. Brody saying he's not the infamous Joel Warren who was banned of the past. He admitted he always stuck up for Mike Farmer (just like Joel), but "through the list archives only". "I only signed up to stick up for my bro George Dubya." Yeah right. Guess everyone just gets addicted to this list and will do anything to get back on and stir some more...well...you know what. Now we have some Argentinian-Karaoke-list-terrorist running amuk. I sure hope he gets his unsubscribe request approved soon. Best for a non-political, non-hate email weekend, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
Hello Cj, According to the CD-Rom made by Pierre-Marie Pele about NWAs, the TKW of NWA 237 (LL6) is 61g. I do not know about SAU 119. All the best, Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: "Peanut .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Info needed > Does anyone have a TKW for NWA 237? > > Also does anyone have information on SAU 119? > > Thanks, > > Cj > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater pic
What's that around your neck Bernhard? Has anyone been to the Soutpan crater near Pretoria in South Africa? When I was a student pilot we used to fly over it, it was a strange feeling as the ground dropped away. I lived 50km away and never visited! Now I'm way too far away. http://www.hartrao.ac.za/other/tswaing/tswaing.html This article mentions the Barringer crater in Arizona, is that Meteorite Crater? Ryan Darby __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Crater pic
Dear Bernhad, Yes, but where's the dirt? What? No dirt? You mean oh METEORITES That's interesting. Michael on 9/5/04 12:00 PM, Bernhard Rems at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With all the politics going on here now (and internal politics as well), > I thought you might be interested in a picture showing me at Meteor > Crater this June. > > But then again, you might not... > > http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mc.jpg > > > Bernhard > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes. -- http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=this_land&track= 0&ratingBar=off -- http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm -- "It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." - Hermann Goering -- When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben & Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
