[meteorite-list] Anyone in Texas?

[Jeff Kuyken]

G'day List,

If their is someone willing to help, I have someone in Texas who has a stone
(meteorite?) they would like looked at. I can forward photos if interested.
Or anyone in the US willing to help for that matter.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au

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RE: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Charles Viau]

I know it was not a sterile environment, barely anything on earth is, but I
would think that as soon as academia showed up, they would have never wanted
it touched again. The less contamination the better if it going to be
examined by NASA and by University.  Even Tagish lake, which fell on frozen
lake water was 'contaminated', but since it was collected so carefully (by
Jim Brook ), without skin contact, and the pieces kept frozen, it was much
more valuable to science because of that. Also, scientists that collect in
Antarctica essentially do the same thing.  Just an observation.  I know that
if I had ever witnessed a fall and came up upon a suspected piece, I would
photo it in situ, GPS if possible, and then collect it with gloves. 

CharlyV

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why would you use gloves?
it was dug out of a hole in the ground - hardly a sterile environment...



>From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall
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>Holding a fresh fall, without gloves, and not an ordinary chondrite, but
>perhaps a Eucrite or one of the SNC's... Is it just me, or was that a
>bungled recovery?
>
>CharlyV
>
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>Try this!
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>DROL
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>Hi all
>Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.
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>Enjoy
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Michael Farmer]

My god, what luck you guys have.
I am too busy here with political issues and of course, am leaving late next 
week for Germany for the Munich show.
I will be exhibiting again this year with Hans Koser HK international.
Any Europeans who buy from me, I can take you package and mail from 
Frankfurt airport next week, so no customs problems and fast delivery.
Mike Farmer
Good luck to all you Colorado hunters, and when you find some pieces, I will 
buy a piece.
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there should definatly be more out there.. get hunting people!
:)

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Matt thanks for the great links to the photos.
Here is a post the Ginger Mayfield pointed out on the COMETS list that are
from her friend Chris Peterson.
http://www.cloudbait.com/science/bermet.html
Enjoy.
Mike
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RE: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[stan .]

why would you use gloves?
it was dug out of a hole in the ground - hardly a sterile environment...

From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:55:02 -0400
Holding a fresh fall, without gloves, and not an ordinary chondrite, but
perhaps a Eucrite or one of the SNC's... Is it just me, or was that a
bungled recovery?
CharlyV
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Try this!

DROL
matt
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Hi all
Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.

Enjoy
Mike
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FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Charles Viau]

Holding a fresh fall, without gloves, and not an ordinary chondrite, but
perhaps a Eucrite or one of the SNC's... Is it just me, or was that a
bungled recovery? 

CharlyV

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Try this!

DROL
matt

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Hi all
Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.



Enjoy
Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

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In a message dated 10/11/2004 7:34:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
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and 
there's a substantial fragment still laying in the fall site...probably not 
too far from where this one was picked up!

Hey John
They have spent quite a bit of time looking for it with no luck so far. Maybe 
we can change their luck tomorrow.
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Re: [meteorite-list] alien brain

[Mark Miconi]

So Really what is it?

It is interesting looking. I know it is not a meteorite.

So can someone give me a guess?

Thanks in advance,

Mark M.
Phoenix AZ
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> on 10/10/04 12:45 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > This is even more cool.
> > An petrified alien brain !!
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3220&item=2275966026&;
rd
> > =1
> > Skol
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> Don't be silly, Martin,
> Any paleontologist worth his salt can tell you that is
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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[JKG]

Nice picture!  From the looks of it, this meteorite is brecciated and 
there's a substantial fragment still laying in the fall site...probably not 
too far from where this one was picked up!

JKGwilliam
At 04:30 PM 10/11/2004, Matt Morgan wrote:
Try this!

DROL
matt
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Hi all
Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.

Enjoy
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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Matt Morgan]

Easier said than done. Only the museum and people at the university know
where to look. This may take a week or so.
Matt

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there should definatly be more out there.. get hunting people!
:)


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>Matt thanks for the great links to the photos.
>Here is a post the Ginger Mayfield pointed out on the COMETS list that 
>are from her friend Chris Peterson.
>
>http://www.cloudbait.com/science/bermet.html
>
>Enjoy.
>Mike
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[stan .]

there should definatly be more out there.. get hunting people!
:)

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Matt thanks for the great links to the photos.
Here is a post the Ginger Mayfield pointed out on the COMETS list that are
from her friend Chris Peterson.
http://www.cloudbait.com/science/bermet.html
Enjoy.
Mike
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[meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo 12.58 lb's- 5.72 kilo - MOVIE CLIP on e-bay

[Tim Heitz]

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Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's PastinVirginia (Chesap...

[j . divelbiss]

sorry for starting the confusion guys. My recollection was 25,000 feet per second 
versus 25 miles per second. At least my conversion was OK from miles per hour to feet 
per second, but I'm the only one discussing feet per second. That figures, next time 
I'll wait to get home and check a reference.

76,000 mph it is...though it probably looked faster when it came it :)

John
 

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> Hi George, 
> 
> Your absolutely correct. I shot from the hip and converted wrong from 
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> Rock's From Space, which is the average quoted earlier. Best! 
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[almitt]

Hi George,

Your absolutely correct. I shot from the hip and converted wrong from
metric to English. About 43,000 to 162,000 miles per hour according to
Rock's From Space, which is the average quoted earlier. Best!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Adam Hupe]

Cool Meteorite, looks like a eucrite! Very Nice.  If I was not going to
Florida Wednesday I know where I would be headed.  The funny thing is I
transfer flights via Denver, so close, yet so far away.  Hopefully we will
find the motherload as the Spanish coins seem to be washing out of a bank
and we have the right equipment to find it if buried less than 9 feet.  Darn
it, why do two cool things have to happen at the same time.

Good luck on Berthoud treasure hunt, hope somebody brings back the booty!


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> Matt thanks for the great links to the photos.
> Here is a post the Ginger Mayfield pointed out on the COMETS list that are
> from her friend Chris Peterson.
>
> http://www.cloudbait.com/science/bermet.html
>
> Enjoy.
> Mike
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Mikestockj]

Matt thanks for the great links to the photos.
Here is a post the Ginger Mayfield pointed out on the COMETS list that are 
from her friend Chris Peterson.

http://www.cloudbait.com/science/bermet.html

Enjoy.
Mike


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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Matt Morgan]

And one more...
http://www.colorado.edu/fiske/BerthoudMeteoriteFamily.jpg

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Hi all
Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.



Enjoy
Mike


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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Matt Morgan]

Try this!

DROL
matt

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Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.



Enjoy
Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Mikestockj]

Hi all
Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.



Enjoy
Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Dan Wray]

Channel 4 just announced that the story would be on at 6PM.

Dan Wray
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> Hi all
> Just want to let anyone who is in the Denver area that Channel 4 is doing
a
> live remote from the fall site. Probably will show at 5.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

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Hi all
Just saw a picture of it on Channel 7.  What a georgeous stone. Wow!
Sorry no picture
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3800239/detail.html
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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Matt Morgan]

Thanks Mike. I saw it...NICE 2 pound space rock.  Looks like a Camel
Donga or Millbillillie, that glossy fusion crust is gorgeous!
So the huunt is on!!! Good luck and have fun doing it.
Matt Morgan

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Hi all
Just want to let anyone who is in the Denver area that Channel 4 is
doing a 
live remote from the fall site. Probably will show at 5.
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tiring OF HEARING OF campo sales updates, but I believe this is the only
way to keep letting people know of what I have forsale.I have sold 14
stones, with 13 left.I have 7 individuals,1 slice,and 5 fragments left.All
the individuals are at least 92% crusted or better.I thought all of those
would sell first.But most of them are the largest of the stones.Let me
know what I can do for you.Alot of good stuff left.


   steve arnold, chicago

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[meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Mikestockj]

Hi all
Just want to let anyone who is in the Denver area that Channel 4 is doing a 
live remote from the fall site. Probably will show at 5.
Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Article - CU-Boulder Researchers to Analyze Meteorite Th...

[Mikestockj]

Sorry sent the first one in the wrong format.

Hi Matt
Yes, there has been a meteorite recovered. Jack Murphy has been working in 
cooperation with CU in an ongoing scientific investigation of the fall. I have 
been and will be helping him in any capacity I can. 
He has spoken with several landowners in the area in order to secure their 
permission to hunt their properties. All of the land in the area is private 
farmland. He is trying to enlist the help of everyone including landowners, 
reporters and meteorite hunters to help recover another piece. 
The recovered piece weighs 2 lb 2 oz and is covered with fusion crust with a 
small piece missing. According to Jack it is very beautiful due to the rich 
black fusion crust and flow lines a shouldn't be cut into just yet. Obviously 
there is an ongoing search which I and others will be participating in tomorrow. 
So far nothing else has been recovered. Let's keep our fingers crossed and 
hope we can find some tomorrow.
So if you are interested in helping with a scientific investigation please 
let me know. I have volunteered the help of the COMETS for the up coming weekend.
This sure is exciting isn't it. It's nice to see that Colorado is such a 
great target for meteorites as this would be the second one in less than 7 years 
with Elbert in Jan 1998 being the first.
Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's PastinVirginia (Chesapeake Bay Crater)

[almitt]

Hi Matt, John and all,

The books that I have read on the subject of speed of an in coming meteoroid
is between 34 miles per second to 72 miles per second. Depends if it is
colliding with the Earth or catching up as you add the Earth's speed into
the collision. Smaller objects slow down to terminal velocity and bigger
ones with lots of mass hit at near stellar speed and make craters.  34 to 72
miles per second comes out to what 122,400 to 259,000 miles per hour a bit
faster than what Matt has suggested but I might have old data.

Best!

--AL Mitterling

Matt Morgan wrote:

> John:
> I've read someplace that a meteors can average ~110,000 Mph, depending
> on size.
> So David is probably close when we says 76,000 Mph due to the mass
> increase.
> Matt Morgan

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Re: [meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!

[Michael Farmer]

Martin, re-read my email. There is no problem, I did not say Matteo's email 
was stupid.
I did say that it does not look like Odessa, and I have many pieces of 
Odessa.
Mike Farmer
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!


Hi Bernd and Mike,
to me it's looking just as typical IAB-iron should look alike.
It's not only looking like Odessa, it's looking like Morasko (which was an
IAB before and many can't find a reason, why it's now a IIICD) and even in 
a
very, very few Canyons you can find such nice cohenite wormlets parallelly
oriented to the Widmannstätter patterns.
Thus Matteos observations were not so stupid.
Cohenite and troilite eyes rimmed with schreibersite, cohenite and 
graphite
are most often found in Odessa (and somewhat rarer in Morasko, but this 
has
more often Neumann lines).

So where is the problem? Just another pretty IAB.
Martin
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!


Mike wrote:
> http://www.meteoritehunter.com/
> Matteo emailed me and told me that he thinks this meteorite
> is Odessa! Does anyone who sees this think that this is Odessa?
Although I must admit that this was also my first thought when I saw
the first pics on Mike's sales page, there are two arguments against
such an assumption:
1) Analysis data:
Odessa: 7.25 % Ni, 7.24 % Ni, 8.73 %Ni, 7.2 % Ni
74.7 ppm. Ga, 285 ppm. Ge, 2.2 ppm. Ir
Soledade: 6.7 % Ni, 98.5 ppm. Ga, 420 ppm. Ge, 3.90 ppm. Ir
2) ZUCOLOTTO M.E. (1999) Brazilian Meteorites
   (Meteorite!, Aug 1999, Vol. 5, No. 3, pp. 9-10):
"The inside color of Soledade was a little bit brighter than other
siderites".

Best regards,
Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!

[Martin Altmann]

Hi Bernd and Mike,

to me it's looking just as typical IAB-iron should look alike.
It's not only looking like Odessa, it's looking like Morasko (which was an
IAB before and many can't find a reason, why it's now a IIICD) and even in a
very, very few Canyons you can find such nice cohenite wormlets parallelly
oriented to the Widmannstätter patterns.
Thus Matteos observations were not so stupid.
Cohenite and troilite eyes rimmed with schreibersite, cohenite and graphite
are most often found in Odessa (and somewhat rarer in Morasko, but this has
more often Neumann lines).

So where is the problem? Just another pretty IAB.
Martin

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!


> Mike wrote:
>
> > http://www.meteoritehunter.com/
>
> > Matteo emailed me and told me that he thinks this meteorite
> > is Odessa! Does anyone who sees this think that this is Odessa?
>
> Although I must admit that this was also my first thought when I saw
> the first pics on Mike's sales page, there are two arguments against
> such an assumption:
>
> 1) Analysis data:
>
> Odessa: 7.25 % Ni, 7.24 % Ni, 8.73 %Ni, 7.2 % Ni
> 74.7 ppm. Ga, 285 ppm. Ge, 2.2 ppm. Ir
>
> Soledade: 6.7 % Ni, 98.5 ppm. Ga, 420 ppm. Ge, 3.90 ppm. Ir
>
> 2) ZUCOLOTTO M.E. (1999) Brazilian Meteorites
>(Meteorite!, Aug 1999, Vol. 5, No. 3, pp. 9-10):
>
> "The inside color of Soledade was a little bit brighter than other
siderites".
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bernd
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[meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!

[bernd . pauli]

Mike wrote:

> http://www.meteoritehunter.com/

> Matteo emailed me and told me that he thinks this meteorite
> is Odessa! Does anyone who sees this think that this is Odessa?

Although I must admit that this was also my first thought when I saw
the first pics on Mike's sales page, there are two arguments against
such an assumption:

1) Analysis data: 

Odessa: 7.25 % Ni, 7.24 % Ni, 8.73 %Ni, 7.2 % Ni
74.7 ppm. Ga, 285 ppm. Ge, 2.2 ppm. Ir

Soledade: 6.7 % Ni, 98.5 ppm. Ga, 420 ppm. Ge, 3.90 ppm. Ir

2) ZUCOLOTTO M.E. (1999) Brazilian Meteorites
   (Meteorite!, Aug 1999, Vol. 5, No. 3, pp. 9-10):

"The inside color of Soledade was a little bit brighter than other siderites".


Best regards,

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RE: [meteorite-list] Article - CU-Boulder Researchers to Analyze Meteorite That Fell Outside Berthoud, Colo.

[Matt Morgan]

Funny...I do not think any of us in Colorado heard about this
one...anyone
Matt

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newton
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Article - CU-Boulder Researchers to Analyze
Meteorite That Fell Outside Berthoud, Colo.


http://www.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/spew4th.pl?ascribeid=20041011.090710&time
=10%2055%20PDT&year=2004&public=1


AScribe  The Public Interest Newswire
Mon Oct 11 10:55:00 2004 Pacific Time


  CU-Boulder Researchers to Analyze Meteorite That Fell Outside
Berthoud, Colo.

   BOULDER, Colo., Oct. 11 (AScribe Newswire) -- University of 
Colorado at Boulder researchers will scientifically analyze a meteorite 
that fell outside Berthoud, Colo., last week, only the fifth to ever 
have been seen falling and subsequently recovered in Colorado, experts
say.

   The meteorite weighs more than 2 pounds and is about as large as 
a baseball, although it is irregular in shape. It appears to be made of 
igneous rock and is melted on its surface from the heat of entering the 
atmosphere. The meteorite probably broke off an asteroid or planetary
body.

   "Its igneous composition reveals that it was chipped off an 
asteroid large enough to undergo some form of volcanic activity," said 
Nick Schneider, associate professor of astrophysical and planetary 
sciences.

   Megan and John Whiteis of Berthoud, and Megan's son, Casper, 
provided the meteorite to aerospace engineering sciences assistant 
professor Scott Palo for scientific analysis after they saw it land in 
their backyard. The couple had just walked out their back door into the 
yard at 1:30 p.m. on Oct. 5, when the meteorite flew over their heads 
and landed about 100 feet ahead of them.

   Megan's mother, Marilyn Meador, contacted the National Center for

Atmospheric Research and spoke with Dr. Maura Hagan who emailed Palo. 
Palo is an expert in radio meteors -- the study of ionized meteor trails

in the upper atmosphere using radio waves. Palo spent the next few days 
putting together a team of scientists interested in helping to analyze 
the specimen. The team includes:

   - Jack Murphy, curator emeritus of the Denver Museum of Nature 
and Science, who is writing a book on Colorado meteorites

   - Chris Peterson, of Cloudbait Observatory, a Colorado fireball 
observation network in Guffey, Colo., who is working to reconstruct the 
trajectory and orbit of the meteorite using infrasound and observations

   - Assistant Professor Stephen Mojzsis of the CU-Boulder 
department of geological sciences

   - Associate Professor Nick Schneider of the CU-Boulder department

of astrophysical and planetary sciences and the Laboratory for 
Atmospheric and Space Physics (LASP)

   - Doug Duncan, director of Fiske Planetarium

   The first scientific test will measure gamma rays being emitted 
by the meteorite. It is likely the test will be performed at NASA's 
Johnson Space Center later this week. Because this is a fresh fall, the 
volatile chemical species can be measured. Analysis of the rare gasses 
and gamma ray emissions will provide information about the size and 
history of the meteorite before it entered the Earth's atmosphere.

   Analysis of the meteorite trajectory and orbit also will be 
conducted in an effort to learn where this meteorite originated. Over 
the past 7 years to 10 years, a surprising number of fireballs have been

observed during the first week of October. Scientists have little 
understanding about the source of the fireballs but the Berthoud 
meteorite could provide a wealth of information about these recent 
events. The possibility of tracking a meteorite back to its place of 
origin in the asteroid belt is a rare opportunity. Researchers are 
asking the public to report any fireball sightings in the sky during 
October in order to help determine the meteorite's trajectory and point 
of origin. Fireball sightings can be reported by going to 
www.cloudbait.com.

   Residents of Berthoud also are asked to keep their eyes open for 
any rocks that appear unusual with a smooth, black, shiny crust. People 
who find objects they think may be a meteorite should contact Jack 
Murphy at (000)-000-.

   Discoverers Megan and John Whiteis have expressed their keen 
interest in making the Berthoud meteorite available for educational 
purposes. Until needed for scientific analysis, the meteorite will be 
displayed and discussed in CU classrooms and at Fiske Planetarium. CU 
faculty will work with local K-12 educators and the discoverers to bring

the excitement and importance of the Berthoud meteorite to schools and 
museums around the state.

   Viewing times at Fiske will be posted at www.colorado.edu/fiske 
and requests for class visits should be made to Suzanne Traub-Metlay at 
303-492-4073.

   

   CONTACTS: Scott P

[meteorite-list] Article - CU-Boulder Researchers to Analyze Meteorite That Fell Outside Berthoud, Colo.

[ken newton]

http://www.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/spew4th.pl?ascribeid=20041011.090710&time=10%2055%20PDT&year=2004&public=1
AScribe  The Public Interest Newswire
Mon Oct 11 10:55:00 2004 Pacific Time
 CU-Boulder Researchers to Analyze Meteorite That Fell Outside
   Berthoud, Colo.
  BOULDER, Colo., Oct. 11 (AScribe Newswire) -- University of 
Colorado at Boulder researchers will scientifically analyze a meteorite 
that fell outside Berthoud, Colo., last week, only the fifth to ever 
have been seen falling and subsequently recovered in Colorado, experts say.

  The meteorite weighs more than 2 pounds and is about as large as 
a baseball, although it is irregular in shape. It appears to be made of 
igneous rock and is melted on its surface from the heat of entering the 
atmosphere. The meteorite probably broke off an asteroid or planetary body.

  "Its igneous composition reveals that it was chipped off an 
asteroid large enough to undergo some form of volcanic activity," said 
Nick Schneider, associate professor of astrophysical and planetary 
sciences.

  Megan and John Whiteis of Berthoud, and Megan's son, Casper, 
provided the meteorite to aerospace engineering sciences assistant 
professor Scott Palo for scientific analysis after they saw it land in 
their backyard. The couple had just walked out their back door into the 
yard at 1:30 p.m. on Oct. 5, when the meteorite flew over their heads 
and landed about 100 feet ahead of them.

  Megan's mother, Marilyn Meador, contacted the National Center for 
Atmospheric Research and spoke with Dr. Maura Hagan who emailed Palo. 
Palo is an expert in radio meteors -- the study of ionized meteor trails 
in the upper atmosphere using radio waves. Palo spent the next few days 
putting together a team of scientists interested in helping to analyze 
the specimen. The team includes:

  - Jack Murphy, curator emeritus of the Denver Museum of Nature 
and Science, who is writing a book on Colorado meteorites

  - Chris Peterson, of Cloudbait Observatory, a Colorado fireball 
observation network in Guffey, Colo., who is working to reconstruct the 
trajectory and orbit of the meteorite using infrasound and observations

  - Assistant Professor Stephen Mojzsis of the CU-Boulder 
department of geological sciences

  - Associate Professor Nick Schneider of the CU-Boulder department 
of astrophysical and planetary sciences and the Laboratory for 
Atmospheric and Space Physics (LASP)

  - Doug Duncan, director of Fiske Planetarium
  The first scientific test will measure gamma rays being emitted 
by the meteorite. It is likely the test will be performed at NASA's 
Johnson Space Center later this week. Because this is a fresh fall, the 
volatile chemical species can be measured. Analysis of the rare gasses 
and gamma ray emissions will provide information about the size and 
history of the meteorite before it entered the Earth's atmosphere.

  Analysis of the meteorite trajectory and orbit also will be 
conducted in an effort to learn where this meteorite originated. Over 
the past 7 years to 10 years, a surprising number of fireballs have been 
observed during the first week of October. Scientists have little 
understanding about the source of the fireballs but the Berthoud 
meteorite could provide a wealth of information about these recent 
events. The possibility of tracking a meteorite back to its place of 
origin in the asteroid belt is a rare opportunity. Researchers are 
asking the public to report any fireball sightings in the sky during 
October in order to help determine the meteorite's trajectory and point 
of origin. Fireball sightings can be reported by going to 
www.cloudbait.com.

  Residents of Berthoud also are asked to keep their eyes open for 
any rocks that appear unusual with a smooth, black, shiny crust. People 
who find objects they think may be a meteorite should contact Jack 
Murphy at (000)-000-.

  Discoverers Megan and John Whiteis have expressed their keen 
interest in making the Berthoud meteorite available for educational 
purposes. Until needed for scientific analysis, the meteorite will be 
displayed and discussed in CU classrooms and at Fiske Planetarium. CU 
faculty will work with local K-12 educators and the discoverers to bring 
the excitement and importance of the Berthoud meteorite to schools and 
museums around the state.

  Viewing times at Fiske will be posted at www.colorado.edu/fiske 
and requests for class visits should be made to Suzanne Traub-Metlay at 
303-492-4073.

  
  CONTACTS: Scott Palo, 303-492-4289
  CU-Boulder News Services -- Jim Scott, 303-492-3114, or Carol 
Rowe, 303-492-7426

  METEORITE FACT SHEET
  CU-Boulder, Oct. 11, 2004
  A meteoroid is a small object - generally smaller than the size 
of a pebble - and usually comes from asteroids, the moon, comets or Mars.

  Thousands of meteorites fall to Earth each year. Meteorites 
generally b

RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's Past inVirginia (Chesapeake Bay Crater)

[Matt Morgan]

John:
I've read someplace that a meteors can average ~110,000 Mph, depending
on size.
So David is probably close when we says 76,000 Mph due to the mass
increase.
Matt Morgan

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inVirginia (Chesapeake Bay Crater)


The story below says the impact was at 76,000 mph or 111,500 feet per
second. That sounds too high to me...by a factor of 3 or 4.  Any
comments out there?

John

> No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep,
> 56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it
caused 
> , the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The 
> explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles 
> around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and
the 
> sixth-largest in the world.

-- Original message from Ron Baalke : -- 

> 
> 
> http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76631&ran=167519
> 
> Scientists blast into the Earth's past in Virginia
> 
> David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project
> to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about
the 
> crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. 
> David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project

> to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about
the 
> crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. PHOTOS BY
VICKI 
> CRONIS/THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT. 
> 
> By JOANNE KIMBERLIN
> The Virginian-Pilot 
> October 11, 2004 
> 
> EASTERN SHORE - Crickets thrummed in the dark mist. A harvest moon
> glowed orange in the heavens. The Earth moved. 
> 
> Thirty-five times.
> 
> It shuddered repeatedly because scientists detonated a 20-mile-long
> string of underground explosives along Virginia's Eastern Shore last 
> week. The concussions, bouncing back from far below, will help map the

> most detailed profile yet of an ancient wound in the planet's crust:
the 
> 35-million-year-old Chesapeake Bay impact crater. 
> 
> Pushing the button was the easy part; reaching countdown required a
> diplomatic endeavor worthy of the United Nations . 
> 
> Scores of locals had to open their gates to dozens of scholarly 
> visitors
> - a remarkable consensus in a community that doesn't cotton much to 
> intrusion . 
> 
> One by one, residents yielded to the common good , and to the
> long-winded, high-wattage, caffeine-powered zeal of a wiry scientist 
> from the Shenandoah Valley, the man who loves the crater the most . 
> 
> No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep,
> 56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it
caused 
> , the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The 
> explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles 
> around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and
the 
> sixth-largest in the world. 
> 
> Thousand-foot-tall tidal waves likely topped parts of the Blue Ridge
> Mountains. 
> 
> Concealed by the Bay and filled in the passing eons by rock and
> sediment, the crater wasn't discovered until the mid-1980s. 
> 
> David Powars was one of the first scientists convinced of its 
> existence
> - a notion many of his colleagues had scoffed at for years. Now 
> confirmed by a battery of drill samples and other tests, the crater
will 
> be investigated deeper than ever next fall, when a $1.5 million core 
> hole punches 7,000 feet into its mysteries. 
> 
> Scientists now suspect the crater is the culprit behind a host of
> modern-day concerns, from the region's shortage of fresh ground water
to 
> its slow sink into the sea. Answers could lie inside layers brought up

> in the drill tube. A sort of seismic ultrasound, created by last
week's 
> blasts, will determine the bull's-eye for the drill bit. 
> 
> To get the best picture, an alphabet soup of some two dozen "ologists"

> -
> experts in rocks, fossils, atmosphere, outer space and more -
descended 
> on the Shore a couple of weeks ago. 
> 
> Since then, the team has laid a line of 70-foot-deep shot holes that
> stretches from the center of the crater, located beneath the town of 
> Cape Charles, to its northeastern rim, near Nassawadox. Some 700 
> seismographs, tuned to record the results, had to be poked into the
soil 
> every 50 yards along the line. All were on private property - often 
> co-owned by a web of relatives. 
> 
> Powars, as the point man of the operation, began knocking on doors in
> March, spinning his spiel, trying to win access to the land he needed.

> 
> "I'd get one person's OK and then find out I also had to get it from
> their cousins or their brothers or their in-laws," Powars said. "I bet
I 
> wound up talking to 150 peopl

[meteorite-list] Soledade etch, check this out!

[Michael Farmer]

http://www.meteoritehunter.com/
Look at the photo of the Soledade etch. Matteo emailed me and told me that 
he thinks this meteorite is Odessa! Does anyone who sees this think that 
this is Odessa?
Mike Farmer
By the way, the piece in that photo is Soledade #7 on my sales page.
I have sold alot of this meteorite, and am running out already.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's Past in Virginia (Chesapeake Bay Crater)

[j . divelbiss]

The story below says the impact was at 76,000 mph or 111,500 feet per second. That 
sounds too high to me...by a factor of 3 or 4.  Any comments out there?

John

> No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep, 
> 56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it caused 
> , the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The 
> explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles 
> around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and the 
> sixth-largest in the world.

-- Original message from Ron Baalke : -- 

> 
> 
> http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76631&ran=167519 
> 
> Scientists blast into the Earth's past in Virginia 
> 
> David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project 
> to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the 
> crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. 
> David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project 
> to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the 
> crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. PHOTOS BY VICKI 
> CRONIS/THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT. 
> 
> By JOANNE KIMBERLIN 
> The Virginian-Pilot 
> October 11, 2004 
> 
> EASTERN SHORE - Crickets thrummed in the dark mist. A harvest moon 
> glowed orange in the heavens. The Earth moved. 
> 
> Thirty-five times. 
> 
> It shuddered repeatedly because scientists detonated a 20-mile-long 
> string of underground explosives along Virginia's Eastern Shore last 
> week. The concussions, bouncing back from far below, will help map the 
> most detailed profile yet of an ancient wound in the planet's crust: the 
> 35-million-year-old Chesapeake Bay impact crater. 
> 
> Pushing the button was the easy part; reaching countdown required a 
> diplomatic endeavor worthy of the United Nations . 
> 
> Scores of locals had to open their gates to dozens of scholarly visitors 
> - a remarkable consensus in a community that doesn't cotton much to 
> intrusion . 
> 
> One by one, residents yielded to the common good , and to the 
> long-winded, high-wattage, caffeine-powered zeal of a wiry scientist 
> from the Shenandoah Valley, the man who loves the crater the most . 
> 
> No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep, 
> 56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it caused 
> , the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The 
> explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles 
> around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and the 
> sixth-largest in the world. 
> 
> Thousand-foot-tall tidal waves likely topped parts of the Blue Ridge 
> Mountains. 
> 
> Concealed by the Bay and filled in the passing eons by rock and 
> sediment, the crater wasn't discovered until the mid-1980s. 
> 
> David Powars was one of the first scientists convinced of its existence 
> - a notion many of his colleagues had scoffed at for years. Now 
> confirmed by a battery of drill samples and other tests, the crater will 
> be investigated deeper than ever next fall, when a $1.5 million core 
> hole punches 7,000 feet into its mysteries. 
> 
> Scientists now suspect the crater is the culprit behind a host of 
> modern-day concerns, from the region's shortage of fresh ground water to 
> its slow sink into the sea. Answers could lie inside layers brought up 
> in the drill tube. A sort of seismic ultrasound, created by last week's 
> blasts, will determine the bull's-eye for the drill bit. 
> 
> To get the best picture, an alphabet soup of some two dozen "ologists" - 
> experts in rocks, fossils, atmosphere, outer space and more - descended 
> on the Shore a couple of weeks ago. 
> 
> Since then, the team has laid a line of 70-foot-deep shot holes that 
> stretches from the center of the crater, located beneath the town of 
> Cape Charles, to its northeastern rim, near Nassawadox. Some 700 
> seismographs, tuned to record the results, had to be poked into the soil 
> every 50 yards along the line. All were on private property - often 
> co-owned by a web of relatives. 
> 
> Powars, as the point man of the operation, began knocking on doors in 
> March, spinning his spiel, trying to win access to the land he needed. 
> 
> "I'd get one person's OK and then find out I also had to get it from 
> their cousins or their brothers or their in-laws," Powars said. "I bet I 
> wound up talking to 150 people. Some of them were scattered across the 
> country. One was in a mental institution. Let's just say that one was 
> interesting." 
> 
> Fortunately for Powars, talking is among the things he does best. When 
> he's excited, as he is about the crater, his words gush in a non stop 
> stream that's almost legendary. 
> 
> "We all love David," said Greg Gohn, Powars' boss at the U.S. Geological 
> Survey. "But you just have to walk away sometimes." 
> 
> Po

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  I have many meteorite ending tonight on ebay, most started at one cent, 
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Re-2: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's Past in Virginia(Chesapeake Bay Crater

[bernd . pauli]

> Yes, he talks A LOT. The most words I've ever heard coming out of a human.

> he listened to me babble about meteorites for a good 30 minutes straight.


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RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's Past in Virginia(Chesapeake Bay Crater)

[Matt Morgan]

Thanks for posting Ron.  I've had the pleasure if going into the field
with David Powars. Yes, he talks A LOT. The most words I've ever heard
coming out of a human. If you can stand it, you learn a lot. He is
incredibly enthusiastic about impact craters and is very patient...he
listened to me babble about meteorites for a good 30 minutes straight.
Matt Morgan

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http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76631&ran=167519

Scientists blast into the Earth's past in Virginia

David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project
to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the
crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. David Powars,
the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project to study the
impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the crater to
tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. PHOTOS BY VICKI
CRONIS/THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT.

By JOANNE KIMBERLIN
The Virginian-Pilot
October 11, 2004

EASTERN SHORE - Crickets thrummed in the dark mist. A harvest moon
glowed orange in the heavens. The Earth moved.

Thirty-five times.

It shuddered repeatedly because scientists detonated a 20-mile-long
string of underground explosives along Virginia's Eastern Shore last
week. The concussions, bouncing back from far below, will help map the
most detailed profile yet of an ancient wound in the planet's crust: the
35-million-year-old Chesapeake Bay impact crater.

Pushing the button was the easy part; reaching countdown required a
diplomatic endeavor worthy of the United Nations .

Scores of locals had to open their gates to dozens of scholarly visitors
- a remarkable consensus in a community that doesn't cotton much to
intrusion .

One by one, residents yielded to the common good , and to the
long-winded, high-wattage, caffeine-powered zeal of a wiry scientist
from the Shenandoah Valley, the man who loves the crater the most .

No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep,
56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it caused
, the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The
explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles
around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and the
sixth-largest in the world.

Thousand-foot-tall tidal waves likely topped parts of the Blue Ridge
Mountains.

Concealed by the Bay and filled in the passing eons by rock and
sediment, the crater wasn't discovered until the mid-1980s.

David Powars was one of the first scientists convinced of its existence
- a notion many of his colleagues had scoffed at for years. Now
confirmed by a battery of drill samples and other tests, the crater will
be investigated deeper than ever next fall, when a $1.5 million core
hole punches 7,000 feet into its mysteries.

Scientists now suspect the crater is the culprit behind a host of
modern-day concerns, from the region's shortage of fresh ground water to
its slow sink into the sea. Answers could lie inside layers brought up
in the drill tube. A sort of seismic ultrasound, created by last week's
blasts, will determine the bull's-eye for the drill bit.

To get the best picture, an alphabet soup of some two dozen "ologists" -
experts in rocks, fossils, atmosphere, outer space and more - descended
on the Shore a couple of weeks ago.

Since then, the team has laid a line of 70-foot-deep shot holes that
stretches from the center of the crater, located beneath the town of
Cape Charles, to its northeastern rim, near Nassawadox. Some 700
seismographs, tuned to record the results, had to be poked into the soil
every 50 yards along the line. All were on private property - often
co-owned by a web of relatives.

Powars, as the point man of the operation, began knocking on doors in
March, spinning his spiel, trying to win access to the land he needed.

"I'd get one person's OK and then find out I also had to get it from
their cousins or their brothers or their in-laws," Powars said. "I bet I
wound up talking to 150 people. Some of them were scattered across the
country. One was in a mental institution. Let's just say that one was
interesting."

Fortunately for Powars, talking is among the things he does best. When
he's excited, as he is about the crater, his words gush in a non stop
stream that's almost legendary.

"We all love David," said Greg Gohn, Powars' boss at the U.S. Geological
Survey. "But you just have to walk away sometimes."

Powars does not take offense.

"I didn't say a word until I was 10," he said . "But I haven't shut up
since."

His chatter proved effective with landowners.

Many nodded immediately while others required some courting. Powars put
in plenty of hours p

[meteorite-list] Scientists Blast Into The Earth's Past in Virginia (Chesapeake Bay Crater)

[Ron Baalke]

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76631&ran=167519

Scientists blast into the Earth's past in Virginia

David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project
to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the
crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore.
David Powars, the scientist who worked tirelessly to begin the project
to study the impact crater, gives an impromptu history lesson about the
crater to tourists in Cape Charles on the Eastern Shore. PHOTOS BY VICKI
CRONIS/THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT.

By JOANNE KIMBERLIN
The Virginian-Pilot
October 11, 2004

EASTERN SHORE - Crickets thrummed in the dark mist. A harvest moon
glowed orange in the heavens. The Earth moved.

Thirty-five times.

It shuddered repeatedly because scientists detonated a 20-mile-long
string of underground explosives along Virginia's Eastern Shore last
week. The concussions, bouncing back from far below, will help map the
most detailed profile yet of an ancient wound in the planet's crust: the
35-million-year-old Chesapeake Bay impact crater.

Pushing the button was the easy part; reaching countdown required a
diplomatic endeavor worthy of the United Nations .

Scores of locals had to open their gates to dozens of scholarly visitors
- a remarkable consensus in a community that doesn't cotton much to
intrusion .

One by one, residents yielded to the common good , and to the
long-winded, high-wattage, caffeine-powered zeal of a wiry scientist
from the Shenandoah Valley, the man who loves the crater the most .

No one knows whether an asteroid or a comet gouged the one-mile-deep,
56-mile-wide crater beneath the Bay. But judging by the damage it caused
, the meteorite slammed into the planet at about 76,000 mph. The
explosion, equal to 10 trillion tons of TNT, wiped out life for miles
around, creating the largest impact crater in the United States and the
sixth-largest in the world.

Thousand-foot-tall tidal waves likely topped parts of the Blue Ridge
Mountains.

Concealed by the Bay and filled in the passing eons by rock and
sediment, the crater wasn't discovered until the mid-1980s.

David Powars was one of the first scientists convinced of its existence
- a notion many of his colleagues had scoffed at for years. Now
confirmed by a battery of drill samples and other tests, the crater will
be investigated deeper than ever next fall, when a $1.5 million core
hole punches 7,000 feet into its mysteries.

Scientists now suspect the crater is the culprit behind a host of
modern-day concerns, from the region's shortage of fresh ground water to
its slow sink into the sea. Answers could lie inside layers brought up
in the drill tube. A sort of seismic ultrasound, created by last week's
blasts, will determine the bull's-eye for the drill bit.

To get the best picture, an alphabet soup of some two dozen "ologists" -
experts in rocks, fossils, atmosphere, outer space and more - descended
on the Shore a couple of weeks ago.

Since then, the team has laid a line of 70-foot-deep shot holes that
stretches from the center of the crater, located beneath the town of
Cape Charles, to its northeastern rim, near Nassawadox. Some 700
seismographs, tuned to record the results, had to be poked into the soil
every 50 yards along the line. All were on private property - often
co-owned by a web of relatives.

Powars, as the point man of the operation, began knocking on doors in
March, spinning his spiel, trying to win access to the land he needed.

"I'd get one person's OK and then find out I also had to get it from
their cousins or their brothers or their in-laws," Powars said. "I bet I
wound up talking to 150 people. Some of them were scattered across the
country. One was in a mental institution. Let's just say that one was
interesting."

Fortunately for Powars, talking is among the things he does best. When
he's excited, as he is about the crater, his words gush in a non stop
stream that's almost legendary.

"We all love David," said Greg Gohn, Powars' boss at the U.S. Geological
Survey. "But you just have to walk away sometimes."

Powars does not take offense.

"I didn't say a word until I was 10," he said . "But I haven't shut up
since."

His chatter proved effective with landowners.

Many nodded immediately while others required some courting. Powars put
in plenty of hours perched on living room sofas, answering questions.

"You can't blame them," he said. "Here was some kook wanting to blow up
things on their land."

Some refused to open their doors to or answer calls from an outsider. To
breech their stronghold, Powars enlisted the aid of other locals, who
contacted their neighbors on his behalf.

"By the time it was done, I was adopted," Powars said. "People were
feeding me meals. Now, I feel like I know the people better in this
community than I know the ones in my own."

In the end, only one family resisted his enthusiasm, a rejection that
will leave a mile-long gap in the seismic profile.

[meteorite-list] Brahin electrolysis treatment

[Dr. Svend Buhl]

Steve Schoner and List,

scanning last years list archive I came across a discussion of Koutyrevs "magic" 
Brahin stabilization treatment. Attached was an interesting post from Steve Schoner 
suggesting neutralization of chlorides by the electrolysis method. Since I'm currently 
battling rust on a slice of Brahin ("welcome to the club") I'd like to know if anybody 
has tried the method yet.

Steve, if you're out there, it would be great if you could let us know if you tried 
the method already and if it worked. 

Thanks a lot for your help in advance

regards
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RE: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field FoundinEgypt?

[mark ford]

Looks like the original article that was posted, is by the same bunch as
the infamous 'Alien technology found at Sikhote Alin' ..

Or worse!

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/14269_aliens.html


Hmmm.
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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - October 11, 2004

[SPACEROCKSINC]

ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE  DAY:
http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Oct_11.html  

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[meteorite-list] Wow

["C.Gießler"]

Wow Martin,
what is that? Never saw something like that before...
A meteorite?!
Nice regards,
Carsten
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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found in Egypt?

[Mikestockj]

Hi Mark
Here is a followup to post by Rob. It show the results from the tests 
mentioned in Rob's article. This is the abstract but also includes a link to the full 
article.
 


Mike

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RE: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found inEgypt?

[mark ford]

Yes that's the one! Thanks Rob! 


http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/E/ends/meteorite1.html




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From: Rob Wesel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 October 2004 08:33
To: mark ford; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found
inEgypt?

Hello Mark, and all-

I think you are referring to Chinguetti
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/E/ends/meteorite1.html


Rob Wesel
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



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From: "mark ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found 
inEgypt?



Didn't a famous Victorian explorer claim once that he had found a
massive meteorite in Egypt the size of a mountain/hill? (There have been
field expeditions, but no-one has ever found it) -  Anyone know about
this?

I take it there is no connection with the new discoveries in Egypt?

Bernd? Any help?


Best,
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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found inEgypt?

[Rob Wesel]

Hello Mark, and all-
I think you are referring to Chinguetti
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/E/ends/meteorite1.html
Rob Wesel
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found 
inEgypt?


Didn't a famous Victorian explorer claim once that he had found a
massive meteorite in Egypt the size of a mountain/hill? (There have been
field expeditions, but no-one has ever found it) -  Anyone know about
this?
I take it there is no connection with the new discoveries in Egypt?
Bernd? Any help?
Best,
Mark
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RE: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found in Egypt?

[mark ford]

Didn't a famous Victorian explorer claim once that he had found a
massive meteorite in Egypt the size of a mountain/hill? (There have been
field expeditions, but no-one has ever found it) -  Anyone know about
this? 

I take it there is no connection with the new discoveries in Egypt?

Bernd? Any help?


Best,
Mark

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Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Largest Meteorite Field Found in Egypt?

[Michel Franco]

Numerous satellite photographs helped the scientists discover the
world's biggest meteorite site (with more than a hundred traces of
crashed meteorites) in the region of Egyptian-Lebanese border.
You should read Egyptian-Libyan border. 
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