[meteorite-list] test

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[meteorite-list] Trade Offer

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hello again list.I have a trade offer for anyone who is interested.I have
3 main masses for trade.NWA 3096 54.95 gram end-cut.TKW is only 232
grams.NWA 112,80.3 gram half-stone.TKW is only 144 grams.And NWA 137,36.33
gram endcut.TKW is only 154.7 grams.The value of the 3 stones is $850.00.I
am looking for either nice piece of esquel,amgala, or some howardites.

steve arnold,chicago

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[meteorite-list] my day at jason's

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hello and good afternoon all.It was a very nice day down at jasons.It was
a much easier time driving down than the first time.Jason has amassed
quite
a collection.He said he has over 1200 meteorites, from crumbs to kilo's of
everything.He aquired a few nice dispaly cases where he has put all of his
collection.It is so impressive, my mouth is drooling.I got there at 9 am.I
saw his new baby,and growing sam.I also found out he is going to be a
daddy again.MY OH MY!!Anyway we sat down and started talking and trading
meteorites.I showed him the remaining campos sales pieces that I have
forsale.He was like a kid in the candy store.He wishes he could have them
all.He liked what he saw in them and said, that he does not know why the
larger ones are not being scooped up.I aquired 5 new pieces for my
collection.I got a 2.4 gram endcut of MURCHISON,a 1.3 gram slice of
TALAMPAYA,a 1.5 gram fragment of NWA 1955,also a 26.6 gram part-slice of
NWA 1931,and finally a 12.7 gram slice of NWA 801 with a bunch of ARMORED
chondrules.I was happy with the trade.He has a piece of carver that I want
to pry from him.Oh well I stayed till 12:30 and headed home.Less than 3
hours down and up from his place.I really encourage everyone next time,
who lives in this area,or is in the area who really wants to see a real
WORLD CLASS collection,please come with me again to see this man's
collection.He only has 1000 more than me.And my god, his micro collection
is just to die for.And all the NWA 1929 PIECES HE HAS, O
big.And big pieces of NWA 1877.HH000I can only imagine
having a collection that big.Oh well maybe someday I'll sell or trade my
88.6 gram slice of HAH 237 to aquire some world class pieces.Well we both
had a nice time seeing each other, and good time it was.Thanks again to
you for your opening up home to me.

   steve arnold

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite analysis

[Eric Twelker]

Hello institutional readers

I am looking for a lab that can type a new H6 (L6?) fall within a
reasonable time.  If there is someone out there who is not queued-up
re-typing pairs of old NWAs and has some time, please contact me off list.
Thanks!

Regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: PF Must See - Extraordinary Offer

[Michael Farmer]

What a tragedy such a stone was cut.
Mike Farmer
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Good Morning List,
Larry asked me to forward this as he is having trouble posting.
Have a great weekend!
Maria
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Hello List,
My brother asked me to post this, I think he lost his mind!
He's practically giving away his awesome stone that he found 2 days after 
the
fall. It's the one that is in "Sky and Telescope," and is on the PF poster 
by
Anthony Tomaselli. He's had it in a vacuum chamber since it's recovery, 
it's
in excellent condition.

Take a look;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=416&item=2284929863&;
rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Ebay ID: eyeofwisdom1
Thanks,
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[meteorite-list] Ad: PF Must See - Extraordinary Offer

[Maria Haas]

Good Morning List,
Larry asked me to forward this as he is having trouble posting.
Have a great weekend!
Maria
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Hello List,
My brother asked me to post this, I think he lost his mind!
He's practically giving away his awesome stone that he found 2 days after 
the
fall. It's the one that is in "Sky and Telescope," and is on the PF poster 
by
Anthony Tomaselli. He's had it in a vacuum chamber since it's recovery, it's
in excellent condition.

Take a look;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=416&item=2284929863&;
rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Ebay ID: eyeofwisdom1
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[meteorite-list] Ad - NWA 3140 Ureilite Meteorite

[JPBrockets]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2283421194&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Thanks for looking.

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Re: [meteorite-list] amgala

[drtanuki]

Where is M.C. when we need him!   Yuck  XOX
Steve stop licking
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nantan

[drtanuki]

Dear Lee Shen Sheng and List Members:
  Welcome to someone from Taiwan.  I have lived in
Taiwan for 16 years and now Japan for 8.
  Few Taiwanese or Chinese collect tektites/meteorites
or research them. There is only one researcher that I
know at Academica Sinica in Taipei. I have donated
several to the Taiwanese Geological Survey and one
museum in Taiwan.
  A few customers are aware of "magic" tektites, Dzi
beads (`Tien Ju` magic agate beads reputedly from
"Heaven"(99.999 are made in Taiwan and are Fakes) and
sky metal amulets (also fake, reputedly to be made
from metal meteorites); but the collectors are only
interested because they believe they contain
protective powers..as they were told by the
sellers in order to sell them.  
  If anyone is ever in this part of the world look me
up or if you need help in Asia please ask.  There are
two Taiwan meteorites but they have both been "lost".
  Best,  dirk rosstokyo



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Re: [meteorite-list] Nantan

[Eddie]

Hi, Tett:
 Nice to know a guy who knows Taiwan! I will need to fly to Hong Kong 
and Dounguan city for my company on November 22. My company produce magnet 
for small motor and others. As you know South China has many tektites 
available,but so many wrong Nantan iron meteorites there. I am confusing 
with this. Here are China's Rock Research Center's link(China government) , 
but they only have Simple Chinese edition homepage could read(no English):
http://geodb.gig.ac.cn/old_www/aero/myright2.htm
The reader only need to type "Province" name or Meteorite name in Simple 
Chinese. Then, computer will tell you its fell age, meteorite content and 
location. It is nice to me, but it has never report in meteorite mailing 
list when most of people don't understand Chinese or Most of Chinese don't 
know meteorites at all! Although we know different types of iron meteorite 
has different kinds widemanns pattern but we must be confusing with Nantan 
when those sellers(China farmers) did not want to tell anybody truth about 
their found out area in Business! Here, I translate it into English for 
Chinese provincation:
25 fell records in GuanXi Province(Nantan iron meteorite's Province) 
totally

 åèNumber
éèæéFell Time
åéèåéFell Location in ancient time
åæäåå Old location in new place name now
 125
1530
äæå Shan-Shi-Chou
åèäæç GuanXi Province Shan-Shi County
 135
1542.5.1
åå Chuan-Chou
åèååç GuanXi Province Chuan-Chou County
 273
1814
èç Ton Shian
åèèç GuanXi Province Ton County
 274
1815.7.31
æåç Guey-Ping Shian
åèæåç GuanXi Province Guey-Ping County
 292
1842
æéå Gue-Shuen Chou
åèéèç GuanXi Province Gin-Shi County
 315
1861.10.18
éåç Lin-Shan Shian
åèéåç GuanXi Province Lin-Shan County
 317
1851-1861
èç Ton Shian
åèèç GuanXi Province Ton County
 332
1871.9.17
èç Guey Shian
åèèç GuanXi Province Guey County
 339
1878.11.13
æçç Wu-Uen Shian
åèæéç GuanXi province Wu-Ming County
 I think that is why there are some different types oxidized iron 
meteorites show in Intenet from China.
 Best Regards!!
 Eddie Lee

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Eddie,
Glad to meet you!
I am in Taiwan often and perhaps the next time we can meet up.  Have made 
two trips there this year.

Do you come to Hong Kong often?
I am flying to Hong Kong on Monday and then of to Xiamen next week.
Cheers,
Mike Tettenborn
aka tett
Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada.
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Dear List:
 Chinese seem don't care about Meteorite very much. Since Sha Dynasty 
till 1911. China has meteorites fell records  365 times.
 There are 3 times meteorite shower record in China. Nantan is one, 
and another 2 records were Jilin stone meteorite showers.
 Ming Dynasty has records about Nantan iron meteorite, time is 1516. 
And China refund it in 1958, 19 pieces and total weight is 9500KG.
 Here are a China government link(written in Simple Chinese), you 
just need to type the location or province name and you can get some 
informations you want in Simple Chinese:
http://www.geochem.csdb.cn/ysh.htm
 Hope I could get acquainted with more people who loves meteorites. A 
special stone from the Sky.
 Best Regards!!
 Eddie Lee from Taiwan
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Hey List,
Some People list Nantan as a 1516 fall and others as a 1958 find. Which 
is it?

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1982 and pairings

[David Weir]

Hello Pierre-Marie,

This subject was discussed a short time ago on this list - I am copying
the relevant posts below.

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From: Jörn Koblitz 
Subject: [meteorite-list] metal-rich diogenite vs mesosiderite-C 
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:15:35 -0700 

Dear All,

It seems, there is a problem with the class C mesosiderites and the
metal-rich diogenites, which may just be fragments of the same meteorite
shower.

In the last Met. Bulletin 88, the following classifications and remarks
are given:

NWA 1982: an ungrouped achondrite "not paired with NWA 1827 or NWA 1879
mesosiderite"

NWA 1827: mesosiderite (tentatively classified C) "resembles a
metal-rich diogenite... [but is] part of a large, heterogeneous
mesosiderite containing sparse eucritic and diogenitic clasts"

In the abstract by T. E. Bunch et al. (2003) MAPS 39, no. 8 (Suppl.),
p.A19, which is the same MAPS issue with the Bulletin 88, the authors
conclude that NWA 1827 and NWA 1982 are paired and that they "could be
misidentified as "metal-rich diogenite."

So, at least for NWA 1982, we have a clear ambiguity between these two
references.

Best regards,

Jörn
--
Hello Jörn,

Since nobody "in the know" has answered your ponderings yet, I think
I'll add my take on this circumstance. I followed the progress of
analysis of NWA 1827 because I had seen the piece that Nelson had
acquired and I thought it had a unique and interesting appearance. The
preliminary analysis had considered that the data best fit a
classification as a recrystallized, metal-rich diogenite, which was
intruded by an exotic metallic body and annealed within a deep regolith. 

In a paper by R. Hewins (1988) a similar description was given for
RKPA79015, but which was taken to be a diogenitic end member of the
mesosiderite body. In a similar way, Clark and Mason (1982) had much
difficulty in their original attempt to classify RKPA79015 (Haack et
al., 1996). They finally used the widths of tetrataenite rims on
taenite to arrive at a classification of mesosiderite for this
meteorite.

Anyway, after extended analyses scientists at NAU determined that NWA
1827 is also consistent with a type 2C meso, fantastic news for us type
collectors (I guess this is still tentative though). 

In addition, the abstract to which you refer I believe was the final
result of a joint effort by both labs (NAU and UWS), which superseded
the original classification of NWA 1982, now thought to be more likely
paired with this type 2C meso, comprising at least 26.4 kg. 

Read the abstract here:

 

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[meteorite-list] Same Old List

[branchw]

Hello Everyone,

I had unsubscribed from the list last summer because of all the "noise."  I
just resubscribed this past week.  Nice to see not much has changed on the
list.

-Walter Branch

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Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List

[tett]

Roman and List,
I have had some surprising results using acid to clean meteorites.  I have a 
piece of Zag that I cleaned about 4 years ago and it looks like it fell 
yesterday.  Fresh as can be with no stains.  I think many newbie collectors 
would be fooled that this slice is from a fresh fall.  Bernd would probably 
know the truth from a mile off though.

I have also cleaned Juancheng, Selma and many NWA's with great results. 
Some others, however, just don't want to clean up.   Perhaps as the stain 
ages it becomes more engrained in the stones?

Of course I don't clean all my meteorites because I am not 100% sure of long 
term affects.  Will it crumble in 10 years? etc..  I also think there is 
some merit to have "unaltered" specimens.

Cheers,
tett
Owen Sound, Ontario
P.S. Roman.  No can do in November.  December?
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Amgala*
Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault.
Hi Adam, are you at liberty to let us know who this dealer is?
I think the collecting community needs to know. I would hate
to see a collector buy a Zag thinking it was a fresh new fall.
Best regards,
Roman Jirasek
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Dear List,
While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up
with
a list of the most abused names.  I see there have been some improvements
lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using
the
term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to
laboratories.  This is good news and will help improve collector
confidence.
If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the
NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau.  Here are 
a
few examples that could stand some improvement:

Amgala*
Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault.
NWA 1109*
Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed
pairings
NWA 1068
Self proclaimed pairings
NWA 1110*
Mass self proclaimed pairings
NWA 1877*
Self proclaimed pairings
NWA 1817*
Self proclaimed pairings
NWA 1827
Self proclaimed pairings
NWA 1878*
Self proclaimed pairings
NWA 1929
Mass self proclaimed pairings
NWA 3118*
Mass self proclaimed pairings
NWA 3140*
Mass self proclaimed pairings
* Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection
As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in
the
above listed meteorites.  This is why we take exception to anybody using
these numbers that has not made their material official.  We spend
thousands
every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant 
money.
This money comes directly out of our pockets.  I hope a month from now
this
list is shorter.  I will become more specific if needed in the future.
Now
lets have some fun doing the right thing.
All the best,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nantan

[Eddie]

Dear List:
 Chinese seem don't care about Meteorite very much. Since Sha Dynasty 
till 1911. China has meteorites fell records  365 times.
 There are 3 times meteorite shower record in China. Nantan is one, and 
another 2 records were Jilin stone meteorite showers.
 Ming Dynasty has records about Nantan iron meteorite, time is 1516. 
And China refund it in 1958, 19 pieces and total weight is 9500KG.
 Here are a China government link(written in Simple Chinese), you just 
need to type the location or province name and you can get some informations 
you want in Simple Chinese:
http://www.geochem.csdb.cn/ysh.htm
 Hope I could get acquainted with more people who loves meteorites. A 
special stone from the Sky.
 Best Regards!!
 Eddie Lee from Taiwan
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Hey List,
Some People list Nantan as a 1516 fall and others as a 1958 find. Which is 
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[meteorite-list] Nantan

[Peanut ..]

Hey List,

Some People list Nantan as a 1516 fall and others as a 1958 find. Which is 
it?

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[meteorite-list] Totally off topic

[Rob Wesel]

A quick break. Something totally fun, stupid, hands-on, educational, and a 
big bang at the end.
http://www.grand-illusions.com/images/dragon.JPG
Print it, construct it, enjoy it. Just follow the instructions very 
carefully as constructing the head is a bit counter-intuitive.
Takes about 20 minutes and they will prove well spent in the end. The best 
optical illusion I have ever encountered.

Rob Wesel
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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[meteorite-list] amgala

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

You know it is kind of sad to see this bantering going on from bill.I met
him last year when we were looking for park forest.He seems like such a
nice guy.I have met both hupe brothers.Total class acts!!I do not know why
all the hate towards these guys.I have met bob evans.He seems like a nice
guy, very hard to trade with tho.Again he fights with the hupes'
also.Jason phillips who also lives in central illinois has even gone on
hunts with the hupes'.No problems from him.They trade, buy, even sell
together.They all get along fine.No problems with the hupes' there.I live
up by nw chicago.I buy all the time from the hupes'.I am constantly
looking at all their ebay and rare material everyday.Like I said,I have
met with them,had a few drinks with them, talked on the phone with them.As
far as I know,there are no problems between me and them.Again I'll
say,TOTAL CLASS ACTS,both brothers.I just would like to know where all
this anger comes from both bob and bill all the time?And bill, you just
seem to come out of the woodwork,when no one is expecting you.Hey that
reminds me,there was an OUTER LIMITS episode called,IT CAME OUT OF THE
WOODWORKS.It was about a ball of dust that gets sucked into a vacuum
cleaner and turns into a raging monster.Sorry to say bill,for right now,
you are that monster.I think you should come to tucson and see how the
hupes' really are.Or maybe you should just go crawl back into the
woodwork.Have a nice day all.I am leaving for jasons.And
hupes',please,please keep up the great work you are doing.We need more
like you guys in this great hobby.


 steve arnold, chicago,USA!!



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[meteorite-list] Congratulations Adam

[Nelson]

Dear List and Adam, Thank you Adam so very much for classifying my stones!
(They aren't really mine, I'm only curating them while I'm on this wonderful
planet!) I'm not using "your" numbers(anymore), I only borrowed them until I
could get my own, kind of what you did with "my" 1836! Heck, that's what
friends are for!! Your best friend(probably very true), Nels


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