[meteorite-list] NWA 812
Hello Bernhard, according to me, it's a H5. Pierre-Marie Pele Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA CLASSIFICATION
Could someone please tell me when this whole NWA classification started?I believe we are coming up to or have passed Nwa 4000.It would be nice know. steve arnold, chicago!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Another fake name, serious business
Goes back to the point I made months ago, we need an industry standard record card (a sort of 'meteorite passport') particularly for the more valuable pieces, that way valuable info is preserved... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 November 2004 12:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another fake name, serious business I don't know if this will help, but maybe it would be a good idea if you dealers start keeping good records of how meteorites are divided and labeling specimens accordingly. So when you get a new meteorite named and you own the whole thing, begin numbering the subspecimens you prepare in the way that JSC does, by adding a comma and a split number. You can then sell something as NWA 3133,10. At least then an educated buyer could tell the difference between a "pedigreed" sample and one with suspicious origins. I know this doesn't help for the thousands of NWA meteorites already sold, but maybe this will help in future cases. Jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA Phone: (703) 648-6184 fax: (703) 648-6383 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Personal Collection Sites?
> Greetings. I know alot of List members have personal > collection sites, but I was just wondering if it was > possible to have a site where people can list thier > personal collections so that all of us can look and > enjoy? I know that I really admire such sites, and > thought that it might be easier to locate them this > way. I also know that most dealers have thier > collections listed on thier sale sites, but most > personal collections are not easily found. Just > something that I was thinking about tonight! > Dave Hello In Poland we have complete catalog of museums and personal collectors collection (now 2nd edition). Propably next year we will be have 3rd updated catalogue. I think every country should have something like this than a couple collectors from different countries. Maybe webmasters of Meteorite Exchange or Meteorrite Central can make separate sub-page with links to private collection galleries. There anyone can submit link to his meteorite collection. I preparing right now my collection to show it on one of my meteorite page. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Mapping Site?
Sorry Jeff, I just noticed the Topozone only works for the US. Dave DNAndrews wrote: Hi Jeff, http://www.topozone.com Works for me. You can choose from different coordinate formats as well. Dave Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day List, Can anyone point me in the direction of a good site which allows you to enter GPS co-ordinates which will then be displayed on a map? Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GPS coordinates website
At the opposite of the message above (gps coordinates on a map), I enjoy this website : http://www.fallingrain.com/world/index.html You choose a town (or a location) in every country of the world and you get gps coordinates, altitude, maps, links. Very useful to prepare an expedition or a meteorite hunt. a Fantastic website everyone should have in its bookmarks ! Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Main Mass
Hi Ken, I know you didn't wish to argue the point however it is an interesting point of view and maybe others may wish to comment. I have seen ad's for slices, fragments etc., were it is quoted "cut from main mass", under your definition these main masses concerned would now be "missing" ? If you find a single stone and cut it for classification does the largest remaining piece become the main mass or has the main mass already become "missing"? Then if the remaining largest piece is the main mass, in order to remain considered the main mass it must never be cut? If I purchase the second largest specimen of a fall and the largest piece goes to another collector or dealer who at a later date cuts his piece making mine the new main mass, how am I ever to know I now have the main mass ? With dealers having differing opinions on what is considered the main mass, when I purchase a main mass am I only actually purchasing a possible main mass ? What does this mean for the value of that piece as main masses do have a higher value on the market. Just as Nomcom gave a definition of pairings should there be a universal definition of main mass ? Should there be a main registry for main masses where any change of ownership or change of mass size (any change)is noted ? Just as in pairings where market values of materials are effected by classification market values too are increased by the tag "main mass". I have main masses in my collection, or have I ? Any thoughts ? Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AstronomicalResearchNetwork Sent: 18 November 2004 02:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Main Mass Main Mass Here is my two cents . When I started writing ARN's History in 1996 the main mass was the largest single specimen from a find or fall . That piece and only that piece was the main mass . If it was cut lost or destroyed the main mass was considered missing . There can be only one main mass and if it is gone its gone. That's how it was in 1996 at least that's how I reported it in my books and CD's Space Rocks I , II and III . Just the way I see I won't argue the point ! Ken Regelman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Introducing metsale.com
I want to introduce my new site to the meteorite community: http://www.metsale.com This is a meteorite auction site like ebay - but with some nice advantages: - This site is for meteorite auctions only (including books, software, tools and storage items) - Metsale allows swap offers to be made in auctions. - it offers reserve price and buy it now, photos and more. - it offers a wider variety of auction lengths than ebay. - you can have a store front in there for free - with its own URL. - it completely runs under SSL to protect your input and data. - winning bidders can pay you directly through paypal. - you can offer a lot of other payment options - forget ebay listing fees: listing is free of charge, regardless of the starting price - forget unreasonable ebay fees AFTER the sale: just plain 2% of the transaction (instead of fixed amount plus up to 5% at ebay). - reserve price, buy it now are free for now. - additional features are priced WAY below ebay. - in the future, there will be a offline lister like turbo lister at ebay. And you get a $10 bonus towards all fees when you sign up, so you can experiment with all additional options. To summarize: Metsale.com is ideal for you if you want to put up some items for sale, since the regular listing costs you nothing. Just enter a description (with a easy to use editor), upload a pic, set the starting price and that's all. And when you make a sale, it costs you much less than on ebay. You can also have a storefront at NO cost (this feature will be activated later today). So I invite you all, sellers, buyers and traders, to sign up at metsale.com. This could become a nice and lively market place - it depends on you now :-). Please visit us, and please spread the word. Bernhard Rems http://www.metsale.com http://www.meteoritegallery.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS coordinates website
This is my favorite, it gives topos, street maps, and best of all, aerial photos! http://www.terraserver.com Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: "Pelé Pierre-Marie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MeteoriteList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS coordinates website > At the opposite of the message above (gps coordinates > on a map), I enjoy this website : > > http://www.fallingrain.com/world/index.html > > You choose a town (or a location) in every country of > the world and you get gps coordinates, altitude, maps, > links. > > Very useful to prepare an expedition or a meteorite > hunt. a Fantastic website everyone should have in its > bookmarks ! > > Pierre-Marie Pele > www.meteor-center.com > > > > > > > Vous manquez d'espace pour stocker vos mails ? > Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ > > Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Mapping Site?
> Sorry Jeff, > I just noticed the Topozone only works for the US. > > Dave I use OZIEXPLORER www.oziexplorer.com You can use custom maps, download / upload tracks, points from Your GPS -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Main Mass
Hi I thought 'main mass' was already well defined? For years it's been the largest single piece recovered from the fall site. And that's it. If it gets cut then the main mass was cut - end of story. if an even larger piece is found at the strewn field then that would become the main mass. (Or in the separate case of NWA's & pairings, the new main mass would be classified and would be only the main mass of the new number that was issued) But we don't want to talk about pairings anymore DO WE ?!!! :) Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special
Dear List Members, This weeks special is NWA2127, a very rare and almost unheard of L4, S2-4, W1 Regolith Breccia Chondrite found in Northwest Africa 2004. When we first looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at an achondrite. We took a second slice and saw what appeared to be a chondrule in the middle of an achondrite-type matrix. Our curiosities were peeked prompting us to send out a type specimen for priority study. NAU, a NomCom approved facility, reported back that we had a regolith from a chondrite parent body with the widest range of differing clasts ever observed in a single sample. It was classified as an L4 because the majority of the observed chondrules fell into this range. A more accurate classification might be L4-6, S2-5, W1 because these are the ranges found. A total known weight of only 45.2 grams is officially recorded for this very fascinating and scientifically important find so there is very little to go around. We arranged to have the finders look for more but unfortunately no more was found. To see NWA 2127 please click on the link below and go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly rare material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab Be sure to check out our other auctions because true bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions. There are never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite from Floridacoaster
Hi, just a word about this ebay seller: if you stayed away from the bidding on his lunar offers (Dhofar 025) due to the low price (0.4g/$45 buy it now): I ebny you for your reason and discipline. To all those wo have bought a piece: Congratulations! I received mine today and examined it under the microscope. It's the real thing, without doubt - and a real beauty. Bernhard meteorite auctions at http://www.metsale.com meteorite gallers at http://www.meteoritegallery.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 3118 Piggybacking Issues and Classification Services
Dear List, The good news is that dealers are aware of the piggybacking problems and the ones who do not want to risk their reputations have corrected the situation. There are still a few dealers engaging in this less-than-acceptable practice because they refuse to listen or are too cheap or too lazy to acquire their own classifications. It has been asked, Where can I get my material classified? If you think you have a pairing and want your very own classification you can send a 20 gram type sample to the following institution: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~glg100-p/Meteorite.html Now, there is no excuse for anybody who deals to borrow (steal) numbers. Scientist will make the proper pairing conclusions so you no longer have to depend on the Moroccans for this self proclaimed service. There are very few dealers who are authorized to use the NWA 3118 designation for their meteorites. There are currently more than six different CV3s from NWA that are not paired so dealers who assume a pairing to NWA 3118 should have their material checked out. A total of 5,895 is officially recorded for this find, not a gram more. We recognize there are several pairings out there and this is good news for collectors but dealers who were not supplied by the Hupe Collection should stop using the NWA 3118 designation and record their additional weight under a new number. NWA 3118 dealers known to have official material: Mark B. was supplied a dealers lot consisting of very small fragments nothing else. Jason P. part of team LunarRock expedition H13 Rob W. material is legitimate and claimed in the above weight ebay Meteoritelab ebay Naturesvault ebay Raremeteorites And a few dealers who sent in material to NAU for pairing purposes but still should get a new number according to NomCom rules. We thought including these dealers was the right thing to do at the time because secondary type specimens were deposited. If they can supply paperwork from NAU, you can be pretty sure their material is ok. My problem is with several well known dealers who have sent nothing in for study, piggybacking NWA 3118. Let this serve as a warning to stop if you do not have paperwork. I am giving dealers a fair chance to make it right before publicly mentioning names. If an excuse is given that a Moroccan dealer said it is NWA 3118 then think again because this is not acceptable. Moroccan dealers are not authorized to pass out NWA numbers or come up with official pairings. I will include names of those who are improperly using the NWA 3140 designation, as well. We have way too many resources tied up including time and money to let this slide much longer. I look forward to the day this problem is solved because we can get back to the pleasant business of collecting and studying these rarities. Sincerely, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special
Adam, not to be a pain, but there is absolutely nothing rare or important about an L4 S2-4 W1 meteorite. I have piles of common chondrites sitting in my garage. So why the "hupelah" about this one:) Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special Dear List Members, This weeks special is NWA2127, a very rare and almost unheard of L4, S2-4, W1 Regolith Breccia Chondrite found in Northwest Africa 2004. When we first looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at an achondrite. We took a second slice and saw what appeared to be a chondrule in the middle of an achondrite-type matrix. Our curiosities were peeked prompting us to send out a type specimen for priority study. NAU, a NomCom approved facility, reported back that we had a regolith from a chondrite parent body with the widest range of differing clasts ever observed in a single sample. It was classified as an L4 because the majority of the observed chondrules fell into this range. A more accurate classification might be L4-6, S2-5, W1 because these are the ranges found. A total known weight of only 45.2 grams is officially recorded for this very fascinating and scientifically important find so there is very little to go around. We arranged to have the finders look for more but unfortunately no more was found. To see NWA 2127 please click on the link below and go to "Go see all current items for sale by this member." The weekly rare material specials are always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab Be sure to check out our other auctions because true bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions. There are never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special
Mike, Talk to Dr. Bunch who claimed this meteorite has the most extreme range he has seen in a regolith breccia. After talking to NAU please report to the List your findings. Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special > Adam, not to be a pain, but there is absolutely nothing rare or important > about an L4 S2-4 W1 meteorite. I have piles of common chondrites sitting in > my garage. So why the "hupelah" about this one:) > Michael Farmer > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:46 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > This weeks special is NWA2127, a very rare and almost unheard of L4, S2-4, > > W1 Regolith Breccia Chondrite found in Northwest Africa 2004. When we > > first > > looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at an achondrite. We > > took a second slice and saw what appeared to be a chondrule in the middle > > of > > an achondrite-type matrix. Our curiosities were peeked prompting us to > > send > > out a type specimen for priority study. NAU, a NomCom approved facility, > > reported back that we had a regolith from a chondrite parent body with the > > widest range of differing clasts ever observed in a single sample. It was > > classified as an L4 because the majority of the observed chondrules fell > > into this range. A more accurate classification might be L4-6, S2-5, W1 > > because these are the ranges found. A total known weight of only 45.2 > > grams > > is officially recorded for this very fascinating and scientifically > > important find so there is very little to go around. We arranged to have > > the finders look for more but unfortunately no more was found. > > > > To see NWA 2127 please click on the link below and go to "Go see all > > current > > items for sale by this member." The weekly rare material specials are > > always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list. > > > > http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab > > > > Be sure to check out our other auctions because true bargains can always > > be > > found on our ebay auctions. There are never reserves and most items are > > started out at just 99 cents. > > > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe > > The Hupe Collection > > Team LunarRock > > IMCA 2185 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special
Come on Adam, can't you take a little prodding? It was meant in fun. I don't have time to call Ted to ask about L4 chondrites. Mike. - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special Mike, Talk to Dr. Bunch who claimed this meteorite has the most extreme range he has seen in a regolith breccia. After talking to NAU please report to the List your findings. Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special Adam, not to be a pain, but there is absolutely nothing rare or important about an L4 S2-4 W1 meteorite. I have piles of common chondrites sitting in my garage. So why the "hupelah" about this one:) Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special > Dear List Members, > > This weeks special is NWA2127, a very rare and almost unheard of L4, S2-4, > W1 Regolith Breccia Chondrite found in Northwest Africa 2004. When we > first > looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at an achondrite. We > took a second slice and saw what appeared to be a chondrule in the middle > of > an achondrite-type matrix. Our curiosities were peeked prompting us to > send > out a type specimen for priority study. NAU, a NomCom approved facility, > reported back that we had a regolith from a chondrite parent body with the > widest range of differing clasts ever observed in a single sample. It was > classified as an L4 because the majority of the observed chondrules > fell > into this range. A more accurate classification might be L4-6, S2-5, > W1 > because these are the ranges found. A total known weight of only 45.2 > grams > is officially recorded for this very fascinating and scientifically > important find so there is very little to go around. We arranged to have > the finders look for more but unfortunately no more was found. > > To see NWA 2127 please click on the link below and go to "Go see all > current > items for sale by this member." The weekly rare material specials are > always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list. > > http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab > > Be sure to check out our other auctions because true bargains can > always > be > found on our ebay auctions. There are never reserves and most items are > started out at just 99 cents. > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > > Adam and Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > Team LunarRock > IMCA 2185 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special
I guess things have been too civil here lately. Let the BULLSHIT fly. This remark to Adam's post was uncalled for. Let individual collectors decide for themselves, please K Adam, not to be a pain, but there is absolutely nothing rare or important about an L4 S2-4 W1 meteorite. I have piles of common chondrites sitting in my garage. So why the "hupelah" about this one:) Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Special > Dear List Members, > > This weeks special is NWA2127, a very rare and almost unheard of L4, S2-4, > W1 Regolith Breccia Chondrite found in Northwest Africa 2004. When we > first > looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at an achondrite. We > took a second slice and saw what appeared to be a chondrule in the middle > of > an achondrite-type matrix. Our curiosities were peeked prompting us to > send > out a type specimen for priority study. NAU, a NomCom approved facility, > reported back that we had a regolith from a chondrite parent body with the > widest range of differing clasts ever observed in a single sample. It was > classified as an L4 because the majority of the observed chondrules fell > into this range. A more accurate classification might be L4-6, S2-5, W1 > because these are the ranges found. A total known weight of only 45.2 > grams > is officially recorded for this very fascinating and scientifically > important find so there is very little to go around. We arranged to have > the finders look for more but unfortunately no more was found. > > To see NWA 2127 please click on the link below and go to "Go see all > current > items for sale by this member." The weekly rare material specials are > always listed last so you will have to go to the bottom of the list. > > http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteoritelab > > Be sure to check out our other auctions because true bargains can always > be > found on our ebay auctions. There are never reserves and most items are > started out at just 99 cents. > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > > Adam and Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > Team LunarRock > IMCA 2185 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 3118 Note
Dear List, I forgot to mention that Hanno S, a very trustworthy and nice collector also has a legitimate quantity of NWA 3118 that he offers from time-to-time. All the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Colorado fireball on November 16
There was a large fireball over Colorado on Tuesday night at 20:45. Looks like it started near Kiowa and ended over Deckers. The height ranged from 62km to 31km, and it was sparking and flaring over much of its path. The velocity was low (<15 km/s). I wouldn't be surprised if it was shedding material over western Elbert County, and in Douglas County a few miles south of Castle Rock- also into the mountains, but the hunting isn't so good there. I've got details, including videos, at http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20041116.html . I'll probably be posting more images as they come in, since more of our Front Range cameras probably caught this. I'll post a ground path map later, too. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Don't let it fly!
Hello All, > I guess things have been too civil here lately. Let the ... fly. Instead of letting it fly, instead of pouring more oil in the fire, I'd like to tell those interested in what might be special about Adam's L4 that there are only a handful L4 regolith breccias among them Grassland (Lynn County, Texas) and NWA 832. They may even be the only ones - so far. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Don't let it fly!
Hi Bernd and all, For those interested here's a link to an image of a 170 gram slice of NWA 832 from Rob Elliott's website. He has numerous images of this meteorite (all listed as sold) but I kind of liked the following: http://fernlea.tripod.com/nwa832170g400.jpg To see the rest you can just go to Rob's site at: http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Enjoy, Frank - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't let it fly! > Hello All, > > > I guess things have been too civil here lately. Let the ... fly. > > Instead of letting it fly, instead of pouring more oil in the fire, > I'd like to tell those interested in what might be special about > Adam's L4 that there are only a handful L4 regolith breccias > among them Grassland (Lynn County, Texas) and NWA 832. > They may even be the only ones - so far. > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Items for sale/trade
Hi all, I'm changing directions on my collection and am selling/trading some of the pieces not meeting my "new desires". If interested in any, please email me off list. I'm currently offering: Governador Valadares .05 gram frag Shergotty .1 gram frag Chassigny .007 multiple frags LaFayette .002 gram frag Peekskill .233 gram frag Monahans .2 grams (2 frags) Claxton.52 and .64 gram frags Locust Grove, GA .46 gram THIN part slice (try finding this one elsewhere) Barwell7.53 and 2.75 gram frags Agoult .952 gram part slice More will be added as I go through my collection. David Hardy = Here is the price of freedom, your every drop of courage, ounce of pain, pint of blood. Paid in advance. __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Not Finding Life? Dig Deeper
NOT FINDING LIFE? DIG DEEPER. >From Mari N. Jensen, UA News Services, 520-626-9635 November 18, 2004 A place so barren that NASA uses it as a model for the Martian environment, Chile's Atacama desert gets rain maybe once a decade. In 2003, scientists reported that the driest Atacama soils were sterile. Not so, reports a team of Arizona scientists. Bleak though it may be, microbial life lurks beneath the arid surface of the Atacama's absolute desert. "We found life, we can culture it, and we can extract and look at its DNA," said Raina Maier, a professor of soil, water and environmental science at the University of Arizona in Tucson. The work from her team contradicts last year's widely reported study that asserted the "Mars-like soils" of the Atacama's core were the equivalent of the "dry limit of microbial life." Maier said, "We are saying, 'What is the dry limit of life?' We haven't reached it yet." The Arizona researchers will publish their findings as a letter in the Nov. 19 issue of the journal Science. Maier's co-authors include UA researchers Kevin Drees, Julie Neilson, David Henderson and Jay Quade and U.S. Geological Survey paleoecologist Julio Betancourt. The project was funded by the National Science Foundation and the National Institute for Environmental and Health Sciences, part of the National Institutes of Health. Contact Information: Raina Maier, 520-621-7231, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jay Quade, 520-792-0454, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julio Betancourt, 520-670-6821 ext. 107, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Related Web sites: Raina Maier, http://ag.arizona.edu/SWES/people/cv/maier.htm Jay Quade , http://wwwpaztcn.wr.usgs.gov/jay_cv.html Julio Betancourt, http://wwwpaztcn.wr.usgs.gov/julio_cv.html - The project began not as a search for current life but rather as an attempt to peer into the past and reconstruct the history of the region's plant communities. Betancourt and Quade, a UA professor of geosciences, have been conducting research in the Atacama for the past seven years. Some parts of the Atacama have vegetation, but the absolute desert of the Atacama's core -- an area Betancourt describes as "just dirt and rocks" -- has none. Nor does the area have cliffs which harbor ancient piles of vegetation, known as middens, collected and stored by long-gone rodents. Researchers use such fossil plant remains to tell what grew in a place long ago. So to figure out whether the area had ever been vegetated, Quade and Betancourt had to search the soil for biologically produced minerals such as carbonates. To rule out the possibility that such soil minerals were being produced by present-day microorganisms, the two geoscientists teamed up with UA environmental microbiologist Maier. In October of 2002, the researchers collected sterile soil samples along a 200-kilometer (120 miles) transect that ran from an elevation of 4,500 meters (almost 15,000 feet) to sea level. Every 300 meters (about 1,000 feet) along the transect, the team dug a pit and took two soil samples from a depth of 20 to 30 centimeters (8 to 12 inches). To ensure the sample was sterile, every time he took the sample, Betancourt had to clean his hand trowel with Lysol. "When it's still, it's not a problem," he said. "But when the wind's blowing at 40 miles per hour, it's a little more complicated." The geoscientists brought their test tubes full of desert soil back to Maier's lab, where her team wetted the soil samples with sterile water, let them sit for 10 days, and then grew bacteria from them. "We brought 'em back alive, it turns out," Betancourt said. Maier and her team have not yet identified the bacteria that come from the extremely arid environment of the Atacama's core. She can say they are unusual. She said, "As a microbiologist, I am interested in how these microbial communities evolve and respond. Can we discover new microbial activities in such extreme environments? Are those activities something we can exploit?" The team's findings suggest that how researchers look for life on Mars may affect whether life is found on the Red Planet. The other researchers who had tested soil from the Atacama had looked for life only down to the depth of four inches. So one rule, Quade quipped, is, "Don't just scratch the surface." Saying that Mars researchers are most likely looking for a needle in a very large haystack, Maier said, "If you aren't very careful about your Mars protocol, you could miss life that's there." Peter H. Smith, the UA planetary scientist who is the principal investigator for the upcoming Phoenix mission to Mars, said, "Scientists on the Phoenix Mission suspect that there are regions on Mars, arid like the Atacama Desert in Chile, that are conducive to microbial life." He added, "We will attempt an experiment similar to Maier's group on Mars during the summer of 2008." As for Maier and her colleagues, Betancourt said, "We're
[meteorite-list] MER Lecture in Long Beach
http://www.oasis-nss.org/index.html OASIS - Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization and Settlement Next Public Lecture The next OASIS public lecture will be by Dr. John Callas, Mars Exploration Rover Science Manager on Saturday, Dec 4, 2004 at 3:30 p.m. The topic of the lecture will be Spirit and Opportunity: the Corps of Discovery for Mars. The location will be the Long Beach Public Library, 101 Pacific Avenue, Long Beach. Attendance is free, but the city charges for parking. Call the OASIS Hotline, 310/364-2290, for more information. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mysterious Boom Heard in Virginia
http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=2582952 Northside Boom WRIC TV8 - Virginia November 18, 2004 A mysterious boom noise is shaking homes and scaring neighbors. The monster rumbles have been taking place since late October in the Ginter Park section of the city, but what's bothering residents is investigators can't figure out where the noise is coming from. "It's the loudest noise I've ever heard. It's huge and it comes from under the ground. It shakes the house. It's a terrifying moment that stops you dead in your tracks," said one resident. "Some of the things we're investigating would include methane or natural gas sewer gas, flights overhead, air national guard, something that might cause a sonic boom. So far, we're come up dry on all accounts," says Bill Farrar of Richmond Public Works. The city has asked the State Emergency Management Department to help them investigate. If you live in the area and hear one of the booms, you're asked to call 9-1-1. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - November 18, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Three hundred sols and counting! - sol 292-305, November 18, 2004 Spirit remains in excellent health and has survived more than 300 martian days on the red planet. With the Sun still relatively low on the horizon in the early spring season on Mars, rover drivers are forced to seek driving routes that keep the rover and its solar panels tilted northward for energy reasons. That constraint, plus the rocky terrain, will challenge rover drivers in the coming weeks. Over the last few weeks, the electrical "brakes" on Spirit's right-front and left-rear steering actuators (motors) apparently failed to disengage during drive attempts. The most likely cause of this anomaly is the buildup of insulating material on the electronic relay contacts that indicate that the brakes are disengaged. To help ensure successful future drives, engineers decided to permanently ignore the "brake-disengaged" indicator. If their theory is correct, the brake will actually be disengaged despite the "failure-to-disengage" indication. If they are wrong, a fuse in the brake circuit will safely blow when they attempt to move the steering actuators. In either case, driving operations will not be adversely affected. A few sols ago, Spirit's engineering team discovered an electric-circuit grounding problem between the rover chassis and the power bus return. This incident occurred at the exact time the Spirit team was performing an inspection of the instrument deployment device, or robotic arm. The inspection sequence commanded one of the arm joints to a position beyond where it had previously been. That particular joint, joint number 5, is the rover arm turret, which rotates the four rover arm instruments into position. This coincidence may indicate that the joint 5 move somehow created the electrical short; it could also just be coincidence. The mechanical team has not found any reason to suspect a failure in the joint 5 cabling. To be safe, the engineering team has constrained the use of joint 5 on Spirit and Opportunity to avoid this extreme position. The constraint is not expected to significantly impact normal operations. The apparent short may also be the result of a failed measurement circuit. The short, if real, has no immediate effect on the rover, but does remove one layer of protection against effects of future shorts should they occur. Between sols 292 and 298, Spirit completed its studies of the rock called "Uchben" and drove west about 2 meters (almost 7 feet) to a rock called "Lutefisk." Between sols 299-303, Spirit finished its investigation of Lutefisk. Lutefisk, a rock with some interesting nodules, lies a site roughly 40 meters (131 feet) above and 2700 meters (1.67 miles) away from Spirit's landing site on the Gusev plain. Team members should know more about the chemistry of Lutefisk and its nodules when they receive results from the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and Mossbauer spectrometer. For coming sols, Spirit is in an exploration and discovery mode, continuing the rover's ascent towards "Machu Picchu" in the Columbia Hills. Spirit will stop at interesting rocks along the way. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted - Used Lapidary Saw
Im looking for a used lapidary saw, any size. If anyone has one for sale please email me off list. Pictures would be appreciated. Thanks Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) talampaya forsale
Hi list.I have 1.27 gram slice of TALAMPAYA eucrite forsale.Cost is $130.00!I received it from rocksfromheaven in trade.Let me know. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shipping Costs from Finland
I sent this yesterday but it apparently did not make it through: Hello Everyone, I have seen several meteorite auctions which list shipping charges from Finland as being $30.00 - $35.00 (USD). My question is, particularly for those list members who happen to live in Finland, does it really cost that much to send a 500-700 gram package from Finland to the US? -Walter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When we first looked at this...
When we > > first > > looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at.. Standard > > Adam advertising. This one might be special, buy it now before it's too > > late, blah, blah, blah. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When we first looked at this...
My mother used to say that if you can't say something good about someone, it is better to say nothing at all. Bill, My advice to you, is if you hate some ones guts, keep it to yourself. If you have something useful to say that is meteorite related, then post it to the list. Mike Fowler Chicago > >When we first looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking at.. > > Standard Adam advertising. This one might be special, buy it now before it's too late, blah, blah, blah. > >Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] $10,000 meteorite sale just started at one cent.
Hi everyone, I have loaded my annual clean-out-the-collection sale on ebay. Every year around the holidays I load alot of collection meteorites on ebay. I have so much that I have to thin out the collection a little. I have loaded almost 60 meteorites on ebay tonight. Several of them are from my collection, some have been there for years. Over $10,000 in meteorites up for one cent. Some items of note: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287054755 First and foremost, a complete 362.8 gram Howardite or Eucrite, unclassified, individual, so nice it is a tragedy to cut. Thousands of $$$ up for one cent, high bidder take all. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287095083 The best oriented Sikhote-Alin I have seen in a long while, nothing but flow lines. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287064418 La Criolla, complete 44 gram individual from Bob Haag himself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287057086 Zagora, silicated iron! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287104105 Seymchan, superb etched slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287052795 373 gram beautiful unclassified chondrite. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287097523 11.51 gram slice of the NWA 2085 impact-melt breccia. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287095643 Superb piece of NWA 801, looks like a galaxy of armored chondrules. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287062490 Partslice of the UCERA meteorite fall. H5 fall from Venezuela . Very rare. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2287114071 54 gram complete Juancheng individual. Good luck, and make sure to see the others, with 60 items, there is alot of rare stuff in there. Michael Farmer See the whole list at the links below. http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewUserPage&userid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=meteorite-hunter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shipping costs
Hello to the List and to Walter. Shipping costs seem to be really expensive in Europe. For example, sending a <1000g package from France to USA costs 20 dollars (15 euros). But asking $30 to $35 for Finland to USA seems a little bit too much... Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] When we first looked at this...
-- Original message -- From: Michael Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My mother used to say that if you can't say something good about > someone, it is better to say nothing at all. > > Bill, > > My advice to you, is if you hate some ones guts, keep it to yourself. > If you have something useful to say that is meteorite related, then > post it to the list. > > Mike Fowler > Chicago > > > > >When we first looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking > at.. > > > Standard Adam advertising. This one might be special, buy it now > before it's too late, blah, blah, blah. > > > >Bill > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] When we first looked at this...
Mike, I'm not sure why you feel you need to give me advice. I don't hate Adam. That's a big word. I don't even know him. Any opinion stated here is meteorite related, If I disagree with some of his ways I'll say so as I see fit. It's my right or wrong, no pun... I respect all the good things he and his brother do. Get it? If not ask your mom. Bill -- Original message -- From: Michael Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My mother used to say that if you can't say something good about > someone, it is better to say nothing at all. > > Bill, > > My advice to you, is if you hate some ones guts, keep it to yourself. > If you have something useful to say that is meteorite related, then > post it to the list. > > Mike Fowler > Chicago > > > > >When we first looked at this meteorite we thought we were looking > at.. > > > Standard Adam advertising. This one might be special, buy it now > before it's too late, blah, blah, blah. > > > >Bill > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When we first looked at this...
Hello to the List. Bill, I don't think it useful to attack someone on the List. Contact Greg directly if you have something against him. I have a fairly impressive collection now and I have to say that I bought many meteorites from Greg. I was never disappointed. We must admit he sells wonderful samples of meteorites at low prices (maily starting at $0.01 on ebay). I think I'm not the only one to consider this. Everybody knows that meteorites are a market like any product and I don't find it disturbing that Greg uses some "marketing words" or commercial techniques to sell its meteorites. As I always say, if you don't like a dealer, go to someone else. We are all adults and we know how to read the ads. Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
