[meteorite-list] Muhamed Shamseldean?
I'm surprised I never saw a comment about this. This guy's email did originate in Egypt. I figured it's a scam. Egyptian export is very strict. Where did he ever get the idea that he could find a partner here? Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AW: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...]
Matteo, it's not that JPL could eliminate this person forever or close his site. I suggest you hire a lawyer and do it yourself, but I think that the chances are not the best, actually. You could spend a lot of money with little outcome. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: M come Meteorite Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2004 07:55 An: Pekka Savolainen; Steve Schoner Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...] Its the time to eliminated this person forever, write all to JPL for ask to close the site of this idiot. I have write yesterday, and I have been inform my lawyer and well I can denounce this idiot for libel. Matteo Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Steve, that was what I thought, just wanted to let you know, he seems to use your name on his site. This is not very nice, excpecially at the moment, your health is the best it could be. Perhaps Ken could ask Mr. DaRusse to remove this nonsense from his site? The same person also uses DMS (Dutch Meteor Society) material on his sites, and I have informed Marco Langbroek about this. Don´t have words to say, what I´m thinking about the way, Mr. DaRusse uses the names / material of the people without permission or even the people don´t know, their name / material is used, sad and discusting. Steve, try to manage with your health, life is sometimes, what it is, but anyway. best regards and have a nice weekend, pekka s Steve Schoner wrote: Ken, Pekka, et al, ??? What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. No agreement, financial, scientific or otherwise was implied in the transaction which was in 2002 before I became disabled in Jan. 2003. As I remember it was a simple trade for a questionable meteorite (stellar grains) for a questionable meteorite (Takysie Lake)-- the question of both which is still in question. Furthermore I am silent regarding this not to protect the scientists. I don't know where that idea comes from, and it is certainly not mine, I might add. My silence is due to the fact that I am dealing with major health issues. I have very little time now to deal with meteorites, the MetList or any meteorite endeavors, so, that said, I am not even going to get involved in this dispute. Since my near fatal brain illness, I am simply too ill to deal with such. Steve Schoner. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message Subject: S. Ray DeRusse... Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:29:41 +0200 From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I´d be glad to have your comment for this, Steve...;-The person above (pekka s) is implying that we used the above writings in italics (box) to fabricate having received a Takysie Lake sample from Steve Shoner. Below is one of Mr. Shoner's envelopes. We don't have to engage in fraud and wishful thinking Mr. Pekka. The scientists and law enforcement that need to know who is engaging in what activity already know. Therefore, Mr. Shoner need not divulge any information to the meteorite list group member above pekka s. He could set you straight if he wanted to but he is not sharing any information openly with the meteorite list because by keeping you in the dark Mr. Shoner helps protect the scientists. He is not at liberty to discuss with you what he has sent to us and not sent and what the results are. He is not allowed to convey anything meaningful because it is too damaging for all of you and the scientific community.http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.htmlbest,pekka s-- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The International Meteorite Collectors Association Official Mailing List Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoritecollectorsassociation/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. M come Meteorite - Matteo
Re: [meteorite-list] Muhamed Shamseldean?
I agree... It's seems to be a scam to me as well. Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Muhamed Shamseldean? I'm surprised I never saw a comment about this. This guy's email did originate in Egypt. I figured it's a scam. Egyptian export is very strict. Where did he ever get the idea that he could find a partner here? Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] AW: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...]
I have some friends lawyers, I see what say but DeRusse have to go out from this world with this fakes From: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'M come Meteorite Meteorites' [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] AW: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...] Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:20:35 +0100 Matteo, it's not that JPL could eliminate this person forever or close his site. I suggest you hire a lawyer and do it yourself, but I think that the chances are not the best, actually. You could spend a lot of money with little outcome. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: M come Meteorite Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2004 07:55 An: Pekka Savolainen; Steve Schoner Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [Fwd: S. Ray DeRusse...] Its the time to eliminated this person forever, write all to JPL for ask to close the site of this idiot. I have write yesterday, and I have been inform my lawyer and well I can denounce this idiot for libel. Matteo Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Steve, that was what I thought, just wanted to let you know, he seems to use your name on his site. This is not very nice, excpecially at the moment, your health is the best it could be. Perhaps Ken could ask Mr. DaRusse to remove this nonsense from his site? The same person also uses DMS (Dutch Meteor Society) material on his sites, and I have informed Marco Langbroek about this. Don´t have words to say, what I´m thinking about the way, Mr. DaRusse uses the names / material of the people without permission or even the people don´t know, their name / material is used, sad and discusting. Steve, try to manage with your health, life is sometimes, what it is, but anyway. best regards and have a nice weekend, pekka s Steve Schoner wrote: Ken, Pekka, et al, ??? What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. No agreement, financial, scientific or otherwise was implied in the transaction which was in 2002 before I became disabled in Jan. 2003. As I remember it was a simple trade for a questionable meteorite (stellar grains) for a questionable meteorite (Takysie Lake)-- the question of both which is still in question. Furthermore I am silent regarding this not to protect the scientists. I don't know where that idea comes from, and it is certainly not mine, I might add. My silence is due to the fact that I am dealing with major health issues. I have very little time now to deal with meteorites, the MetList or any meteorite endeavors, so, that said, I am not even going to get involved in this dispute. Since my near fatal brain illness, I am simply too ill to deal with such. Steve Schoner. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message Subject: S. Ray DeRusse... Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:29:41 +0200 From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I´d be glad to have your comment for this, Steve...;-The person above (pekka s) is implying that we used the above writings in italics (box) to fabricate having received a Takysie Lake sample from Steve Shoner. Below is one of Mr. Shoner's envelopes. We don't have to engage in fraud and wishful thinking Mr. Pekka. The scientists and law enforcement that need to know who is engaging in what activity already know. Therefore, Mr. Shoner need not divulge any information to the meteorite list group member above pekka s. He could set you straight if he wanted to but he is not sharing any information openly with the meteorite list because by keeping you in the dark Mr. Shoner helps protect the scientists. He is not at liberty to discuss with you what he has sent to us and not sent and what the results are. He is not allowed to convey anything meaningful because it is too damaging for all of you and the scientific community.http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.htmlbest,pekka s-- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The International Meteorite Collectors Association Official Mailing List Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web,
[meteorite-list] ebay add
Hi and good morning list.I have 1 ebay auction ending in 9 hours chicago time.Around 6 pm chicago time.A nice orientated piece of TAZA iron,shaped like a bear claw.I also have 2 on going ending tomorrow about the same time.A 62 gram individual of NWA 788, and a 100.1 gram slice of NWA 904,collection in a slice.Good luck and bid high and often. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Wilcox Playa (Arizona) Meteorite
Hello Bob (and list), Bob noted: ..I made another WP find on 2004 March 07.. Congratulations on another find Bob. Bob asked, When was this find made? I was not sure last morning when I made that web page. Since then I have talked with the finder, his wife and his brother, who was in town at the time of the find, in order to try to get a good date. It was found in the fall of 2001. The brother thought October, but I was not able to confirm the month. Bob continued: ...If the ~72 gram stone was found prior to that date, it is WP 003, if found after that date, it will be WP 004 (again, assuming there are no other Wilcox Playa finds awaiting classification). Would I be correct in thinking it is Dr. Jones who assigns the U.S. number names? As you know Bob (which means I am typing this for the rest of the group), In a normal United States findor I guess I should say, in normal meteorite finds not from high collection areas, whoever owns the meteorite will usually submit it for a name, providing a couple appropriate names. These names are then voted on by the Met. Soc. Board. I remember you mentioned in an article a couple months ago (?) that any U.S. meteorite could get a provisional name whether classified or not, and you have implied that it is important for all meteorites to do such for chronological reasons. I wonder about such as I own a couple meteorites found by your team members without name/numbers, which would make personal cataloging easier. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Take look at what the BCC Lunar.
mistake, I not have write to Schoner, others have write to him... From: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take look at what the BCC Lunar. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:05:17 -0600 Greetings List; Matteo wrote an eamil to Steve Shoner asking him what is this? And Steve Shoner asnswered in part. What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. This is not exactly correct. (I will find his emails ).I did make two trades with Steve, however I never asked him to test or determine what the stellar grains were in the slide, never. That has been determined and I sent them to him as a novelty and a trade. He sent me two samples of Takysie Lake and we determined that indeed one sample was consistent with the information in the MAPS article and the other was chemcially an augite rich lunar microbreccia. He sent me a long long email basically in distress saying he and Ninninger were convinced it was lunar but that the scientists in Arizona would not look at it again. Somewhere I have copies of these emails. But let it be known that we never asked him to identify anything for us. Why would ask him to do something for us that we can do ourselves? That makes no sense. Now having said this about this trade with Shoner, if any of you think that Mr. Shoner did not grab that slide and run to the lab to look through a microscope and examine the stellar grains, you are out in lala land. If you think scientists in Arizona have not looked at our material, you are out in lala land. No reasonable person and certainly no prosecutor is going to believe that our sample to Steve Shoner has been sitting idle somewhere. As far as Badolotti recieving a lunar sample for free he's not the only one that has a sample. Matteo keeps harassing Badalotti and us and everybody. If Matteo wants a sample he can ask Francesco Badolotti and if Badalotti wanst to give him some that is OK with us. We sent a sample to Badalotti because of his devotion to the lunar science and the Moon, he deserves it. Now to Dr. Tanuki or whatever you call yourself. You write; What is this person`s point? If he has scientific data? on his lunarand other material, why does`t he present it and be quiet instead of attacking scientists and their real research? To attack Dr. Rubin, the fine scientists in Texas, Mike Farmer, Matteo and Steve Schoner is counter-productive and completely uncalled for. I don't know where you have been, but we have never launched an attack against anyone first. Some of the idiots on the list and there are many, have launched unwarranted attacks on us first. We responded with an equal measure of force. You're very right it is counter productive to attack scientists, if it is warranted. If I have made claims against any scientist it is sustainable by a direct or indirect body of evidence and it is not a big secret that if you engaged in scientific misconduct fraud and abuse against us we're coming after you until we receive satisfaction. Because we are not going to allow abuses against us under some sort of cloak of authority, by a scientist. If I were them, I would come clean long long ago because now the Federal Government has a bigger clean up job to do and believe me they working on it and we are woking with them. Finally to Matteo, an honorable mention, you need to get real about asking NASA, JPL, JSC or Alan Rubin, any scientist, or whoever to shut us down. Aside from server problems we are having, we're not going anywhere. The reason for this is that its too late for them. Based on the stack of documents I just sent out by a federal request. We are under the cloak of authority and protection by certain governmental agencies. The people you keep asking to help you would be better off finding a small dark, quiet corner, to pray. Sincerely, S. Ray DeRusse, www.bccmeteorites.com _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Take look at what the BCC Lunar.
Yap, I did. pekka s McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote: mistake, I not have write to Schoner, others have write to him... From: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take look at what the BCC Lunar. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:05:17 -0600 Greetings List; Matteo wrote an eamil to Steve Shoner asking him what is this? And Steve Shoner asnswered in part. What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. This is not exactly correct. (I will find his emails ).I did make two trades with Steve, however I never asked him to test or determine what the stellar grains were in the slide, never. That has been determined and I sent them to him as a novelty and a trade. He sent me two samples of Takysie Lake and we determined that indeed one sample was consistent with the information in the MAPS article and the other was chemcially an augite rich lunar microbreccia. He sent me a long long email basically in distress saying he and Ninninger were convinced it was lunar but that the scientists in Arizona would not look at it again. Somewhere I have copies of these emails. But let it be known that we never asked him to identify anything for us. Why would ask him to do something for us that we can do ourselves? That makes no sense. Now having said this about this trade with Shoner, if any of you think that Mr. Shoner did not grab that slide and run to the lab to look through a microscope and examine the stellar grains, you are out in lala land. If you think scientists in Arizona have not looked at our material, you are out in lala land. No reasonable person and certainly no prosecutor is going to believe that our sample to Steve Shoner has been sitting idle somewhere. As far as Badolotti recieving a lunar sample for free he's not the only one that has a sample. Matteo keeps harassing Badalotti and us and everybody. If Matteo wants a sample he can ask Francesco Badolotti and if Badalotti wanst to give him some that is OK with us. We sent a sample to Badalotti because of his devotion to the lunar science and the Moon, he deserves it. Now to Dr. Tanuki or whatever you call yourself. You write; What is this person`s point? If he has scientific data? on his lunarand other material, why does`t he present it and be quiet instead of attacking scientists and their real research? To attack Dr. Rubin, the fine scientists in Texas, Mike Farmer, Matteo and Steve Schoner is counter-productive and completely uncalled for. I don't know where you have been, but we have never launched an attack against anyone first. Some of the idiots on the list and there are many, have launched unwarranted attacks on us first. We responded with an equal measure of force. You're very right it is counter productive to attack scientists, if it is warranted. If I have made claims against any scientist it is sustainable by a direct or indirect body of evidence and it is not a big secret that if you engaged in scientific misconduct fraud and abuse against us we're coming after you until we receive satisfaction. Because we are not going to allow abuses against us under some sort of cloak of authority, by a scientist. If I were them, I would come clean long long ago because now the Federal Government has a bigger clean up job to do and believe me they working on it and we are woking with them. Finally to Matteo, an honorable mention, you need to get real about asking NASA, JPL, JSC or Alan Rubin, any scientist, or whoever to shut us down. Aside from server problems we are having, we're not going anywhere. The reason for this is that its too late for them. Based on the stack of documents I just sent out by a federal request. We are under the cloak of authority and protection by certain governmental agencies. The people you keep asking to help you would be better off finding a small dark, quiet corner, to pray. Sincerely, S. Ray DeRusse, www.bccmeteorites.com _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When a person climbed on the mirrors
Mr.BCC I not have write to Steve Schoner, others have write to himMr.Badalotti have take off the fake lunar material from the site after have seen how many emails against of you its available in the web, in first in the Met.List where you are well know...unfortunately. I remember you for a analysis you have to give a free example to the laboratory, you have ask money to me for send a little piece for analyzed this afterand not sure I give to you $25,000-50,000 for a gram of fake material seen all Institutes say your material is not lunar, first Dr.Korotev where have put a photo of your fake rock in the site of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/meteorwrongs.htm photo n.14.why you not send a piece to Dr.Koratev for the analysis? Probably you have the terror he find your material is not lunar material, but its easy take a piece from a real lunar meteorite and send this and pass for a piece of the boggy creekand after exit its a real lunar meteorite Last word, its good you take off the web page I have put in this list why I have ask to my lawyer and I can denounce you for libel, or likely the FBIi will be happy to discover your fraud bye bye From: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take look at what the BCC Lunar. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:05:17 -0600 Greetings List; Matteo wrote an eamil to Steve Shoner asking him what is this? And Steve Shoner asnswered in part. What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. This is not exactly correct. (I will find his emails ).I did make two trades with Steve, however I never asked him to test or determine what the stellar grains were in the slide, never. That has been determined and I sent them to him as a novelty and a trade. He sent me two samples of Takysie Lake and we determined that indeed one sample was consistent with the information in the MAPS article and the other was chemcially an augite rich lunar microbreccia. He sent me a long long email basically in distress saying he and Ninninger were convinced it was lunar but that the scientists in Arizona would not look at it again. Somewhere I have copies of these emails. But let it be known that we never asked him to identify anything for us. Why would ask him to do something for us that we can do ourselves? That makes no sense. Now having said this about this trade with Shoner, if any of you think that Mr. Shoner did not grab that slide and run to the lab to look through a microscope and examine the stellar grains, you are out in lala land. If you think scientists in Arizona have not looked at our material, you are out in lala land. No reasonable person and certainly no prosecutor is going to believe that our sample to Steve Shoner has been sitting idle somewhere. As far as Badolotti recieving a lunar sample for free he's not the only one that has a sample. Matteo keeps harassing Badalotti and us and everybody. If Matteo wants a sample he can ask Francesco Badolotti and if Badalotti wanst to give him some that is OK with us. We sent a sample to Badalotti because of his devotion to the lunar science and the Moon, he deserves it. Now to Dr. Tanuki or whatever you call yourself. You write; What is this person`s point? If he has scientific data? on his lunarand other material, why does`t he present it and be quiet instead of attacking scientists and their real research? To attack Dr. Rubin, the fine scientists in Texas, Mike Farmer, Matteo and Steve Schoner is counter-productive and completely uncalled for. I don't know where you have been, but we have never launched an attack against anyone first. Some of the idiots on the list and there are many, have launched unwarranted attacks on us first. We responded with an equal measure of force. You're very right it is counter productive to attack scientists, if it is warranted. If I have made claims against any scientist it is sustainable by a direct or indirect body of evidence and it is not a big secret that if you engaged in scientific misconduct fraud and abuse against us we're coming after you until we receive satisfaction. Because we are not going to allow abuses against us under some sort of cloak of authority, by a scientist. If I were them, I would come clean long long ago because now the Federal Government has a bigger clean up job to do and believe me they working on it and we are woking with them. Finally to Matteo, an honorable mention, you need to get real about asking NASA, JPL, JSC or Alan Rubin, any scientist, or whoever to shut us down. Aside from server problems we are having, we're not going anywhere. The
Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite
Thank you so much. your Lunar meteorite finds are enthralling. My Lunar and 3 differed Martian finds are pitiful when compared to your meteorite ranch in central Bushland. - Original Message - From: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite I will re-write the entire page so that you can understand it Mr. Farmer. S. Ray DeRusse www.bccmeteorites.com Michael Farmer wrote: These people are absolute nutjobs. I can't even understand what the hell they are trying to say on that website. Has anyone in the world sent them money? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC Fake lunar meteorite Only a idiot and his friend write similar idiocy http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.html ah DeRusse my surname its Chinellato not Chinelleto, or probably you are not good to read? Probably yes. _ Scarica gratuitamente MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] allende
Steve and all, indeed, a steal considering I paid far more for it. I informed the list that one cent auctions were ending, and many took advantage of it, with most meteorites going at or below my cost! Yet list members who consider such adds spam, have no problem going to my website and paying $6 gram for the same Allende you bought for $2 gram. EBay is a great place, but right now a buyers market. Don't forget that I loaded over $10,000 in meteorites to end on Tuesday, some spectacular meteorites from my private collection. Just look at this sikhote-Alin! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2287095083 The best oriented Sikhote-Alin I have seen in a long while, nothing but flow lines. See the whole list at the links below. http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunter Take a few minutes and get some meteorites at prices no dealer would ever begin to quote you. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] allende Hi again list. I just got my very first piece of allende from mike farmer,after winning it on ebay.A 13 gram individual for $26.00.If you ask me,A STEAL fer shure.Thanks again mike. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite
Good lord, this is STEALING, putting his exact page on the BCC website. Marco should be pissed! Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite Just to let You know, Mr. DeRusse, I have informed Marco Langbroek in DMS, you are using their material without permission; http://www.bccmeteorites.com/DMSid.html You have just removed the link to DMS-site...very nice indeed. Here we call people like those as thieves. You sure know the health-problems of Steve S. and you are using his good name in a very questionbale business; http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.html http://www.bccmeteorites.com/ams.html http://www.bccmeteorites.com/scientific-misconduct.html Just sad and discusting, pekka s S. Ray DeRusse wrote: I will re-write the entire page so that you can understand it Mr. Farmer. S. Ray DeRusse www.bccmeteorites.com Michael Farmer wrote: These people are absolute nutjobs. I can't even understand what the hell they are trying to say on that website. Has anyone in the world sent them money? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC Fake lunar meteorite Only a idiot and his friend write similar idiocy http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.html ah DeRusse my surname its Chinellato not Chinelleto, or probably you are not good to read? Probably yes. _ Scarica gratuitamente MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Shipping Costs from Finland 2 thumbs way dowm
you ain't the only one: my recent experirence with finmet on ebay had that and for $30 i got a broken,resin filled, meteorite a month later in the most crappily packed unit for overseas travel ever. $30, i expect fed ex overnite (like fernlea does).after a previous experience, i now videotape and photo-document allarrivals and unpackings over packages over $100 in value. i tried to contact finmet (with photo essay attached) on this and as predicted, he dissappeared like smoke-failing to even return an email (heaven forbid offer something to make the situation right). i should have used http://www.didtheyreadit.com , but i dropped my guard and got snakebit again. damn, onother opportunity missed- i've gotta start thinking positively. for $30 , that slice should have been packed between 2 pieces of wood and sent in a package suitable for oveseas shipping, and been on my doorstep the next morning-2 THUMBS WAY DOWN. ebay feedback- WHAT A JOKE!!! everybody has good feedback due to RETALIATORY bad feedback. if i could have left it, i'da left wheelbarrow full of bad feedback. iam so mad, i can't type right now. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Shipping Costs from Finland Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:34:02 -0500 I sent this yesterday but it apparently did not make it through: Hello Everyone, I have seen several meteorite auctions which list shipping charges from Finland as being $30.00 - $35.00 (USD). My question is, particularly for those list members who happen to live in Finland, does it really cost that much to send a 500-700 gram package from Finland to the US? -Walter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Great link!
Hello list, I did not know about this page, did you? http://www.space.com/news/la001_trade_000430.html Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dr. King and Collecting Allende
I have about 15 copies of this book if anybody is interested. They are new and unread, but some of the covers are a bit scuffed on the corners. Price is $9 plus shipping. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com That great story can also be found in one of Elbert's books entitled Moon Trip, published in 1989 by the University of Texas. Thank you, Ryan, and congratulations on being the current owner of specimen #7R-23. Here is the complete reference to Dr. Elbert King's book: KING E.A. (1989) Moon Trip: A Personal Account of the Apollo Program and its Science (Univ. Houston Press, Houston, Texas, USA, pp. 149). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cave man
Damn, and I thought that this subject title was going to be about that campy movie staring Ringo Star!!! ;) Is this the same guy who was caught growing marijuana while living in a cave? Oh wait, that was the Frass Mars rock guy. Give it time. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
Hi Steve, Didn't you just tell the list how you got that allende for $2 a gram? That's quite a mark-up, or is there a typo in the price? Maybe you're trying to make up for all those freebies you gave away!! Mike ___ Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cave man
I'm not real familiar with this frass meteorite stuff but if this guy is for real you gotta hand it to him. I just wonder if it was for fun or if he's crazy. I spent some time in a cave myself. Bill -- Original message -- From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Damn, and I thought that this subject title was going to be about that campy movie staring Ringo Star!!! ;) Is this the same guy who was caught growing marijuana while living in a cave? Oh wait, that was the Frass Mars rock guy. Give it time. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metsale.com - no end of auction fee this year
Hi! As you know, I have opened metsale.com a couple of days ago (you can buy, sell and auction your meteorites there). A big thank you to all the people who have already opened an account there. Well, my intention is to give this site a good start. The more people use it, the better the auctions will be. So I thought about an additional goodie and came up with this idea: Listing your items there has been been free from day one (no listing fee like on ebay). And now, until December 31st, there won't be an end of auction fee either. This means: you will get what you get. So: there is no excuse anymore to NOT list some of the stuff you want to sell. Everything is there: auctions, dutch auctions, reserve price and buy it now function. Just like ebay, but for free :-). Please go there, look at the auctions already running, register an account and buy, sell, auction. http://www.metsale.com Bernhard PS: Those signing up get a $10 bonus towards other functions on the site, so you can experiment with highlighting, exposing your item on the front page and much more without spending money. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cave man
Dave darned: Damn, and I thought that this subject title was going to be about that campy movie starring Ringo Star!!! ;) .. after Mike had asked: Is this the same guy who was caught growing marijuana while living in a cave? .. and Bill responded that he had spent some time in a cave himself. Oops, I thought it was about Julian Barber (alias Thomas Effing in Paul Auster's Moon Palace. He found shelter in a cave in Utah where he shot the Gresham Brothers ;-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
Mike, Don't criticize Steve. He's a rare eccentric beyond such things. Like British royalty :) Bill -- Original message -- From: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steve, Didn't you just tell the list how you got that allende for $2 a gram? That's quite a mark-up, or is there a typo in the price? Maybe you're trying to make up for all those freebies you gave away!! Mike ___ Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
:) Indeed he is. Money means nothing to him, so some items are extremely expensive, but others are extremely cheap. I fully respect that kind of behaviour :-) Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. November 2004 00:16 An: Michael Fowler Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale Mike, Don't criticize Steve. He's a rare eccentric beyond such things. Like British royalty :) Bill -- Original message -- From: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steve, Didn't you just tell the list how you got that allende for $2 a gram? That's quite a mark-up, or is there a typo in the price? Maybe you're trying to make up for all those freebies you gave away!! Mike ___ Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Take look at what the BCC Lunar.
S. RAY, Please set your computer clock/date to proper time so your posts do not pop up on TOP of all of everyone's email. Thanks, Michael on 11/21/04 7:05 AM, S. Ray DeRusse at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings List; Matteo wrote an eamil to Steve Shoner asking him what is this? And Steve Shoner asnswered in part. What is this As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake for some of his so called stellar grains. I have made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain what they are. This is not exactly correct. (I will find his emails ).I did make two trades with Steve, however I never asked him to test or determine what the stellar grains were in the slide, never. That has been determined and I sent them to him as a novelty and a trade. He sent me two samples of Takysie Lake and we determined that indeed one sample was consistent with the information in the MAPS article and the other was chemcially an augite rich lunar microbreccia. He sent me a long long email basically in distress saying he and Ninninger were convinced it was lunar but that the scientists in Arizona would not look at it again. Somewhere I have copies of these emails. But let it be known that we never asked him to identify anything for us. Why would ask him to do something for us that we can do ourselves? That makes no sense. Now having said this about this trade with Shoner, if any of you think that Mr. Shoner did not grab that slide and run to the lab to look through a microscope and examine the stellar grains, you are out in lala land. If you think scientists in Arizona have not looked at our material, you are out in lala land. No reasonable person and certainly no prosecutor is going to believe that our sample to Steve Shoner has been sitting idle somewhere. As far as Badolotti recieving a lunar sample for free he's not the only one that has a sample. Matteo keeps harassing Badalotti and us and everybody. If Matteo wants a sample he can ask Francesco Badolotti and if Badalotti wanst to give him some that is OK with us. We sent a sample to Badalotti because of his devotion to the lunar science and the Moon, he deserves it. Now to Dr. Tanuki or whatever you call yourself. You write; What is this person`s point? If he has scientific data? on his lunarand other material, why does`t he present it and be quiet instead of attacking scientists and their real research? To attack Dr. Rubin, the fine scientists in Texas, Mike Farmer, Matteo and Steve Schoner is counter-productive and completely uncalled for. I don't know where you have been, but we have never launched an attack against anyone first. Some of the idiots on the list and there are many, have launched unwarranted attacks on us first. We responded with an equal measure of force. You're very right it is counter productive to attack scientists, if it is warranted. If I have made claims against any scientist it is sustainable by a direct or indirect body of evidence and it is not a big secret that if you engaged in scientific misconduct fraud and abuse against us we're coming after you until we receive satisfaction. Because we are not going to allow abuses against us under some sort of cloak of authority, by a scientist. If I were them, I would come clean long long ago because now the Federal Government has a bigger clean up job to do and believe me they working on it and we are woking with them. Finally to Matteo, an honorable mention, you need to get real about asking NASA, JPL, JSC or Alan Rubin, any scientist, or whoever to shut us down. Aside from server problems we are having, we're not going anywhere. The reason for this is that its too late for them. Based on the stack of documents I just sent out by a federal request. We are under the cloak of authority and protection by certain governmental agencies. The people you keep asking to help you would be better off finding a small dark, quiet corner, to pray. Sincerely, S. Ray DeRusse, www.bccmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
ok...but its not allende that Steve is selling (murchison??), unless i missed something ealier. Devin - Original Message - From: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale Hi Steve, Didn't you just tell the list how you got that allende for $2 a gram? That's quite a mark-up, or is there a typo in the price? Maybe you're trying to make up for all those freebies you gave away!! Mike ___ Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Was Elbert King...now Smithsonian on being territorial
(Try this again...sorry if you get more then one of this same e-mail but this message just doesn't want to post - Mark) Hello Lisa King (and list), Thanks for sharing your memories of your father with us. Should you think of other little stories and would like to share them, I am sure that most of us would find it very interesting. Lisa wrote, The Smithsonian was very territorial about meteorites during the late 60's and early 70s. The Smithsonian was quite territorial with meteorites from at least 1932, when Edward Henderson became assistant curator and took over meteorites. Before Henderson, Merrill was in charge and he did not seem to have the interest in meteorites that his predecessor did Merrill seemed more interested in seeing a meteorite was classified, published and that the U.S. Museum had a specimen. After those actions were taken it didn't really matter to him anymore. University professors fought over stones from the Iowa falls (1875 and 1890), without competition from the national museum. And before 1932, several other large US meteorites where lost to museums overseas, such as the Mt. Joy meteorite, because of lack of interest in this nation. I am not sure when Henderson retired, but I wonder how well it would line up with the Smithsonian's lost of territorial actions regarding meteorites. I will note that Henderson and Nininger were able to form a relationship that helped each other out. At one time Henderson even organized a pricing structure, and got all the large meteorite collectors to agree on. This paid bottom dollar for finds from finders. So I would not say Henderson was totally territorial. Perhaps, just controlling. A nice Smithsonian Magazine article that has a lot of Henderson history and quotes can be found here: http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues95/may95/mall_may95.html Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich (better late than never)
Hello everybody, I have been a bit busy lately, but I finally did it. My pictures of the Munich Show are finally available on Yahoo: Just go to this link: http://photos.yahoo.com/impactika And enjoy! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud
Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562058rd=1ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562068rd=1ssPageName=WDVW Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will exercise my options. Wishing everybody else the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud
Blanket complaint, public warning, meteorite subsection eliminated, PULLING THE TRIGGER?? You are off base. No lawyer would even consider your rantings. Bill -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562058rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562068rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will exercise my options. Wishing everybody else the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud
Adam You are such a friggin joke, I really cant understand how you can publicly make such an ass out of yourself. How can you really accuse other people of such atrocities as you commit them yourself? Aren't you selling NWA 788 on ebay currently? Wasn't it Mike Farmer who had that meteorite classified? Why is it justifiable for you ? I've seen you sell other meteorites as well such as NWA 869.You didnt have that one classified either, did you? Why don't you need to have your samples paired?? ANSWER THIS What was the source of your specimens? How do you know that they are indeed what you say they are? You couldn't possibly have every sample analyzed, could you? Quit being such a hypocritical prick and bring on your attorney BE - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562058; rd=1ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562068; rd=1ssPageName=WDVW Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will exercise my options. Wishing everybody else the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud
Bill, Time will tell and it is time to take out the trash! Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud Blanket complaint, public warning, meteorite subsection eliminated, PULLING THE TRIGGER?? You are off base. No lawyer would even consider your rantings. Bill -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562058rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562068rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will exercise my options. Wishing everybody else the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud
Adam, I really don't understand, assuming you're not just playing around, what you think you can accomplish with all this other than bad feelings. I understand why you need attention but this is ridiculous. Bill -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill, Time will tell and it is time to take out the trash! Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud Blanket complaint, public warning, meteorite subsection eliminated, PULLING THE TRIGGER?? You are off base. No lawyer would even consider your rantings. Bill -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562058rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562068rd=1 ssPageName=WDVW Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will exercise my options. Wishing everybody else the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud
Adam, You aren't entitled to anything by law. Don't dictate what you think may be the result of imaginary litigation. Bill -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob, I am entitled to use the numbers you listed because we were the largest shareholders on several of Mike Farmers expeditions. Are you telling us we cannot use NWA 482 which came from a Farmer expedition too? I use the NWA 787 designation not NWA 869 because it is the same material and it is official. Why would I use the unofficial designation? Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud Adam You are such a friggin joke, I really cant understand how you can publicly make such an ass out of yourself. How can you really accuse other people of such atrocities as you commit them yourself? Aren't you selling NWA 788 on ebay currently? Wasn't it Mike Farmer who had that meteorite classified? Why is it justifiable for you ? I've seen you sell other meteorites as well such as NWA 869.You didnt have that one classified either, did you? Why don't you need to have your samples paired?? ANSWER THIS What was the source of your specimens? How do you know that they are indeed what you say they are? You couldn't possibly have every sample analyzed, could you? Quit being such a hypocritical prick and bring on your attorney BE - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bob Evans Still Committing Fraud Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to stop using the NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 designations and meteoritelab descriptions. I filed a blanket complaint claim with ebay and found out that it is considered fraudulent to use lab numbers that do not apply to your samples. It is also against the law to steal copyrighted descriptions. It took me weeks to explain to ebay what is involved with getting numbers assigned to NWA meteorites. I will start pulling the trigger soon on this kind of fraud starting with Bob Evans. If ebay gets too many complaints the meteorite subsection might be reconsidered (eliminated). That is why I am posting this message publicly to avoid continued contact with ebay. Here are two of the many fraudulent auctions Bob Evans is involved in: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562058; rd=1ssPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2287562068; rd=1ssPageName=WDVW Consider this warning to edit your numbers and descriptions to reflect the truth or I will report this fraud to ebay when I return tomorrow. My attorney gave me the green light to start pursuing these cases and I will exercise my options. Wishing everybody else the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Munich (better late than never)
Anne, thanks for the great photos, I myself did not have time to even take on photo in Munich. It was great fun, and next year will be better. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich (better late than never) Hello everybody, I have been a bit busy lately, but I finally did it. My pictures of the Munich Show are finally available on Yahoo: Just go to this link: http://photos.yahoo.com/impactika And enjoy! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Munich (better late than never)
Hello everybody, I have been a bit busy lately, but I finally did it. My pictures of the Munich Show are finally available on Yahoo: Just go to this link: http://photos.yahoo.com/impactika Great photos Anne! Thanks for sharing! Regards, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 380 Cleveland Street Pacolet, South Carolina 29372 Tel: (864) 578 5188 SPACE ROCKS, INC.: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.html ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Calendar.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] precedent
Adam likes to make legal claims. I can't find a single instance that might bolster his statements. I understand meteorite law, the law of the meteorite community, but it just doesn't apply to reality. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Mike, If you got a shippment of meteorites from the Amgala strewnfield , would you bother to have it classified or just sell it as Amgala ? Regardless of who had the initial sample classified. NWA #'s are not proprietary. I know that people such as Adam wishes they were. If you get a shippment from Morocco .. you trust your supplier. This is something that will always be a problem. All we really can do is trust the dealer we choose to buy from. Because god knows once the material is in the hands of a moroccan dealer we really cant be 100% sure where they got it from , unless we were there to pull it out of the sand ourselves. Bob E - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Bob and all, that is why I dont take shipments any more I got a few, but the only way to buy is boots on the ground, this 33 trips completed to Morocco. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, If you got a shippment of meteorites from the Amgala strewnfield , would you bother to have it classified or just sell it as Amgala ? Regardless of who had the initial sample classified. NWA #'s are not proprietary. I know that people such as Adam wishes they were. If you get a shippment from Morocco .. you trust your supplier. This is something that will always be a problem. All we really can do is trust the dealer we choose to buy from. Because god knows once the material is in the hands of a moroccan dealer we really cant be 100% sure where they got it from , unless we were there to pull it out of the sand ourselves. Bob E - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Now that's an honest statement. Bill -- Original message -- From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, send me those meteorites, and I'll have those suckers on eBay faster than the US Senate can raise the debt ceiling:) Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Mike, Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? ) People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion. Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual similarity Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted. Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s. Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for experience. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Very serious note
I hate to do this, but I have told so many of the meteorite community about my wife being pregnant. I was just so excited to be a father. Like last year, my wife has lost the child again last week. I would normally prefer not to post such sensitive material to the list, but this is the only way I can tell those I have shared with what has occurred in order to prevent anyone from asking my wife about the baby and upsetting her. We are both certainly upset, so that is why I have been ignoring most emails. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Yeah, But what would call them ?? BE - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers By the way, send me those meteorites, and I'll have those suckers on eBay faster than the US Senate can raise the debt ceiling:) Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great example of the problem we are facing. The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068. I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to demand that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time and material. However, what is the solution? I really don't know. Mike - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? ) People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion. Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual similarity Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted. Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s. Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for experience. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Well, What do you say Adam? Shall we send Mike our NWA1877 and NWA1110 Put up ... or shut up Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great example of the problem we are facing. The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068. I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to demand that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time and material. However, what is the solution? I really don't know. Mike - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? ) People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion. Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual similarity Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted. Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s. Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for experience. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you buy something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not them, just how they came to call it that. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers...a different viewpoint
This current problem will fix itself when the supplies of African and Oman meteorites dry up. Then we'll all be back to not-so-patiently waiting for new falls that never fall and hunting for individual stones and small strewnfields with always too few specimens. There will come a day when meteorite collectors will look back at the NWA era and refer to it as the proverbial good old days. Fifty years from now, they will read the NWA stories and see the pictures of the thousands of meteorites, and they will be in awe. And, when that time arrives, some of the people who regularly write to this list will be considered icons and revered historical figures; not too different than how we revere Nininger and his contemporaries today. Collectors will whisper the names of Killgore, Farmer, Haag, Thompson, Carion, Hupe, Ward, Reed, New and many, many others. They will covet their autographed books and brag about owning labels and meteorites from their collections. Some of you guys might just become legends. So, be careful what you write and say because you are becoming a part of tomorrows history. I want my grand kids to think of you guys as heroes, so don't make me disappoint them someday when I have to tell them I knew some of you before you became gentlemen. Off my soap box now, JKGwilliam At 09:52 PM 11/20/2004, Michael Farmer wrote: Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great example of the problem we are facing. The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068. I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to demand that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time and material. However, what is the solution? I really don't know. Mike - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? ) People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion. Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual similarity Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted. Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s. Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for experience. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my expeditions. The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers. Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title (as Dr Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and must not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone told you it is the same). Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our business and hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty of this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start people MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see tonight. I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using numbers they seem to have drawn from a hat. So
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
Bob, It is very simple, send a type specimen to NAU or any other NomCom authorized laboratory and I will recognize your material when the NomCom assigns it an official NWA number. Using the numbers NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 will never be acceptable because the material has already been voted on. It is a simple matter, send in a type specimen and all the fragments. The fragments will be visually compared to the type specimen by a competent scientist. If a qualified scientist argues to the NomCom they are all the same and the NomCom votes that this is ok they will all be assigned an official number. Every fragment in the NWA 1110 batch was looked at by Dr. Irving, submitted to the NomCom and a number was assigned to cover the 118 grams of fragments, not a gram more. I am not authorized to compare material and make official judgements and neither is Mike. All we can do is offer an opinion. In the case of a fall the NomCom rules are different. Here is link to explain how you can make your unclassified and un-numbered material official: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~glg100-p/Meteorite.html If you are too lazy to follow through that will become your problem. There is no excuse for number piggy-backing and it is against NomCom rules. If you do not respect them you have no right to call your material anything other than unclassified. Growing ever more tired of repeating myself to someone who can not grasp the simplest concepts, Adam - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Well, What do you say Adam? Shall we send Mike our NWA1877 and NWA1110 Put up ... or shut up Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great example of the problem we are facing. The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068. I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to demand that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time and material. However, what is the solution? I really don't know. Mike - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? ) People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion. Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual similarity Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted. Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s. Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for experience. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers Mike, I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 and have Adam send you his. Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone who cares. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or meteorites
Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite
It has fear for this removed it From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED],S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:12:42 -0700 Good lord, this is STEALING, putting his exact page on the BCC website. Marco should be pissed! Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: S. Ray DeRusse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC lunar meteorite Just to let You know, Mr. DeRusse, I have informed Marco Langbroek in DMS, you are using their material without permission; http://www.bccmeteorites.com/DMSid.html You have just removed the link to DMS-site...very nice indeed. Here we call people like those as thieves. You sure know the health-problems of Steve S. and you are using his good name in a very questionbale business; http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.html http://www.bccmeteorites.com/ams.html http://www.bccmeteorites.com/scientific-misconduct.html Just sad and discusting, pekka s S. Ray DeRusse wrote: I will re-write the entire page so that you can understand it Mr. Farmer. S. Ray DeRusse www.bccmeteorites.com Michael Farmer wrote: These people are absolute nutjobs. I can't even understand what the hell they are trying to say on that website. Has anyone in the world sent them money? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Take a look what write the BCC Fake lunar meteorite Only a idiot and his friend write similar idiocy http://www.bccmeteorites.com/matteo2.html ah DeRusse my surname its Chinellato not Chinelleto, or probably you are not good to read? Probably yes. _ Scarica gratuitamente MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cave man
Ahtk!Lar! :o) Jeannie - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Cave man Damn, and I thought that this subject title was going to be about that campy movie staring Ringo Star!!! ;) Is this the same guy who was caught growing marijuana while living in a cave? Oh wait, that was the Frass Mars rock guy. Give it time. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] precedent
Adam, I'll send you my address gladly off list. I'm very interested. Bill Kieskowski -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill, What is your address so that my attorney, the same one I have had on retainer for nearly two decades, can send you an official statement in regards to the position we have taken. I was planning on posting this to a web site but it has become clear that you want to become involved ahead of time. I will authorize this Monday. After you receive the statement I would like you to call him and then tell the List what is being done. I will forward the emails you have been posting publicly so he knows what kind of a person he is dealing with. I can't understand the likes of you or Bob Evans and if there is a way I can help take out the trash, I will. My attorney is fully aware of the dilemmas we are faced with. Now your name will be brought into the mix. You have earned this position. Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] precedent Adam likes to make legal claims. I can't find a single instance that might bolster his statements. I understand meteorite law, the law of the meteorite community, but it just doesn't apply to reality. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] my address
Adam, Are you happy now? You have my address. You already had it anyway if you keep any files of your sales. You sound more like Matteo every day. I realize you want more of everything but I don't understand your lemming approach. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
