[meteorite-list] Comet Machholz (C/2004 Q2)

2005-01-07 Thread Herbert Raab

Anyone interested can see a very nice image comet C/2004 Q2 (Machholz)
near the prominent star cluster M45 (Plajades), taken last night by
Austrian comet observers Gerald Rhemann and Michael Jäger, at this
site:

http://www.astrostudio.at/Astrofotos/aufnahme.php?a_id=346&page=1&kategorie=&k_id=39

By the way, this night, the comet will be even closer to the Plejades,
and the comet's tail will probably appear to run across the star cluster.
Don't miss that!

  Herbert Raab



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Re: [meteorite-list] meteoroid temperature Results (P. I)

2005-01-07 Thread MexicoDoug
En un mensaje con fecha 01/06/2005 11:27:43 AM  Mexico Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe:

>What is the  temperature of a meteoroid drifting thrue space ?
>Is it too small to  absorb radiation-energi from the sun ?

Hi Lars, I'm breaking this email  in three chapters, first the results, and 
the second and third parts will be  assumptions and most discussion.

Part I

There is no minimum size  to absorb energy from the Sun, even a molecule can 
do it - heat of everything is  actually principally caused by molecular 
vibrational motion in the Infrared  range under normal circumstances - 
molecular 
vibrations.  So that answers  the easy question.

On the temperature of a meteoroid traveling in space,  that is a complicated 
question because the question is really millions of  questions in one 
depending on what temperature you mean - and where you measure  it.

But I think I can give a shot at a satisfying at everything you  wanted to 
know on the first question and weren't afraid to ask, with the  following 
calculations you kept me awake doing.  You can make a lot of  interesting 
observations here.  I'd add a Eucrite and an Enstatite  Achondrite, which I 
expect the 
former would not be closer to OC, and the later  more on the way to the irons.  
I guess:)

Distance Energy flux  <---T (degrees C)> T(Planet av. Surf.)  
AU  W/m2  CC OC Fe-Ni "ideal" note   
0.31   14,214 216 195 378 227 Mercury (p) 167 
0.47  6,184  124 107 255  133 Mercury (ap) 167 
0.72  2,635  48 34 154 55 Venus  464  
1.00  1,366  -1 -12 89 6 Earth  15 
1.52  591   -52 -62 21 -47 Mars  -63 
2.80  174  -110 -117 -57  -107   
3.00  152  -116 -123 -64 -112
4.00  85  -137 -143 -92 -134   
5.00  55   -151 -156 -111 -148   
5.2   51  -154 -159  -114 -151 Jupiter  -144 
9.5   15  -185 -188 -155  -183 Saturn  -176 
19.2   3.7  -211 -214 -190 -209  Uranus  -215 
29.7   1.5  -223 -225 -207 -222 Pluto  (p) -223 
30.1   1.5  -223 -226 -207 -222 Neptune   -215 
49.3   0.6  -234 -236 -221 -233 Pluto (ap)  -223  Kuiper, Comets (ap)
50K 0.01  -272 -272 -271  -272   Oort Cloud

(Table may not display well in text, but if  you copy it into excel and use 
text-to-columns it should look  great.)
Proximamente: Assumptions  

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteoroid temperature- Assumptions (P. II)

2005-01-07 Thread MexicoDoug
Part II

Assumptions & Discussion:
T =  [(absorptivity/emissivity)*(Energy  flux/sigma)*(a/A)]^(1/4)
where:
Emissivity = energy ratio emitted at a  temperature = compositional property.
Absorptivity = energy fraction absorbed  at a temperature = compositional 
property.

Temperature is proportional to  absorptivity but proportional to the inverse 
of emissivity, i.e.  T^(4)=k*(absorptivity/emissivity).

The useful form of this law is called  the Stephan-Boltzmann Law:  Energy = 
sigma*T^4 (S-B law constant, sigma =  5.67*10^-8*Wm^-2*K^-4)
That the integrated energy radiated from a black booty  is proportional to 
the fourth power of the temperature.  This "law" is  useful to convert the 
energy hitting an object into the temperature and is  really the scientific key 
to 
address your question  approximately.

Kirchoff's (other) Law:
For a body in radiative  equilibrium energy absorption = energy emission.  So 
we consider the very  plausible scenario that the meteoroid's position in 
orbit doesn't alter  radically (it doesn't travel near light speed!)
Solar energy is mainly  provided for absorption in the UV-Visible range.
Energy is emitted in the IR  range (vibrational energy, the meteoroid doesn't 
emit much light  energy:-).
Meteoroide is spherical in shape (OK not generality, so could vary  maybe 50% 
either way for example when a planar shaped meteoroid had verrry low  
rotational energy w/r to the Sun)

ABSORPTIVITY = CC = 0.8, OC = 0.65,  Fe-Ni = 0.80, "ideal" = 1
EMISSIVITY = CC = 0.88, OC = 0.85, weathered Fe-Ni  = 0.28, "ideal" = 1

Assumed constant emissivities, but actually they  vary, for example, 
decreasing somewhat (and then only by a square root) as the  AU's increase for 
Iron, 
and a lot for Nickel, though I expect the "weathered"  surface might somewhat 
mitigate this.

The temperature of a meteoroid in  space will of course depend on the 
latitude, depth, it's cross sectional  exposure vs. overall mass distribution 
and 
distance to the Sun, just like any  other non-radioactive cooled body whether 
in 
orbit or passing through.
 
Proximamente: More Assumptions & Discussion
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteoroid temperature-Assumptions(P. III)

2005-01-07 Thread MexicoDoug
Part III  

So the directional answer is best gotten to by a  bunch of assumptions and 
simplifications, including that the thing is rotating  on a nice skewer and 
isn't too big so that depth becomes an issue, which adds  some calculus for all 
those onion rinds.  So sticking to something say a  couple of meters in 
diameter... Otherwise we deal with things like what is the  temperature of 
Mercury 
(Solar side, mass, backside, transition zone, latitude,  rotation, greenhouse 
effect if any, and composition which will affect what  radiation can be 
absorbed 
and converted into heat.  A simple way to think  about the latter is thinking 
about a microwave oven.  If the object to be  heated is made with lots of 
water, it has a strong absorbance in that range, but  the glass door doesn't 
(even 
on the inside).  So a Tektite sent in orbit  very well could have a lower 
temperature than a cometary water containing  carbonaceous type body which in 
turn creates nice effects in part due to these  warmings in the estelas.  An 
example like Mercury, of one not rotating with  respect to the Sun causes other 
complications.  So best to think of an ant  in a spacesuit when asking your 
question.  The center of the meteoroid will  be cooler at its equilibrium 
temperature so wherever the ant walks or burrows  will depend on the 
temperature.  
Average temperature is a much easier  proposition, but knowing that wouldn't 
help 
the ant's survival chances at all if  he ends up in the Ant:-)arctic vs. 
Sahara of the meteoroid.

If one  assumes that a meteoroid has no greenhouse effect and is made of 
stone or  iron-nickel, and absorbs typically a full spectrum in the range of 
what 
the sun  mainly radiates for heating i.e. UV-Visible light, lots of 
simplifying  assumptions can be made.  You can look at Venus and see what a 
Greenhouse  
effect does, or even Jupiter, which I suspect is somehat warmer still than the 
 NASA page reference I used, because it actually puts out more energy than it 
 received that little stunted star...or figure out at what distance comets 
get  tails (snowball's sublimation temperature).  You get the idea:)

The  basics would include the following, I would think, calling the meteoroid 
shape a  sphere for simplification, which of course is not true but good 
enough, also  that the Sun is like a Black Body at 5800 degrees K from Wein's  
Law.

Taken together with the idea that radiation from any source drops  off as the 
square of the distance from the source. (Which is understandable by  knowing 
that the surface area of a sphere, ie, non-directional emmiting source,  
4*Pi*r^2 increases by the square of the radius.), you can get a handle on  
temperature caused by the Sun on objects floating in the Solar System.  And  in 
the 
case of the meteroid, we only get a quarter of the total area exposed to  the 
Sun in the simplified case of a spherical meteoroid (area sphere = 4*pi*r^2  
vs. 
great circle exposed = pi*r^2, a factor of 1/4).

Using the two laws  in a numer of ways, but sparing the the tedious math, the 
Sun's photosphere  ("surface") clocks at near 5800 degrees K being basically 
a heat source  (150,000,000 km from earth minus Sun's radius, aww lets just 
say the center of  the Sun since we can then measure in AU and are not dealing 
generally with the  inner Solar System to make a huge difference with the Sun's 
700,000 km or so  radius.  Using the inverse square law then you get the 
energies in my table  I gave you.

Then, I derived the temperature in the above table (all in an  excel 
spreadsheet) using the Stephan-Boltzmann Law, for you with this exact  formula:
T = [R/sigma*(a/e)*(areacrosssec/areatot)*(1/R^2)]^(1/4)
and  substituded the differewnt absorptivities and emissivities...presto, a 
solar  meteorite thermometer.  You can graph them too and it is easy to look 
at,  but I couldn't figure out how to graph in plain text for the list:)
Saludos,  Doug
Wheeew!  I think I'll take some time off the list and build some solar  
collectors and spacecraft housings for my old Chevy now.  On second  thought, 
maybe 
I'll just change the oil, if I get a chance...Acadamian  Bah:(
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[meteorite-list] Armored chondrules -- how?

2005-01-07 Thread bernd . pauli
On Friday Dec 24, 2004,
Darren Garrison wrote:

> I'm wondering what the theory is on how "armored" chondrules get
> their coating? Does the nickel/iron accrete around the chondrules,
> or is there some melting event where liquid metal flows around them?

VOGEL N. et al. (2004) Noble gases in chondrules and associated
metal-sulfide-rich samples: Clues on chondrule formation and the
behavior of noble gas carrier phases (MAPS 39-1, 2004, 117-135).

Excerpts:

"Chondrules are small silicate spherules in primitive meteorites that show
evidence for a once molten stage. Although they are common in most chondrite
groups, their formation mechanism(s) and environment(s) are uncertain. The
two main theories are nebular chondrule formation by melting of dust ball
precursors and chondrule formation in a planetary environment."

"The study also includes metal-sulfide (MS*)-rich coatings of chondrules, MS
droplets within chondrules, and MS-rich patches in the matrix that are also
genetically related to chondrules. We assume that, during chondrule formation,
small MS droplets segregated from the silicate melt, migrated to the chondrule
margins, and were eventually expelled."

"Expelled droplets formed coatings around chondrules or were completely 
separated
from their host chondrules and are now present as isolated MS-rich patches 
within the
matrices of primitive chondrites. It is also possible that MS evaporated from, 
and
subsequently recondensed back onto, chondrule surfaces. Alternatively, Kojima 
et al.
(2003) discuss the extraction of chondrule MS and the formation of the coatings 
during
later impact events on the parent bodies to which the chondrules first 
assembled."

*MS = metal-sulfide


Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] NPA 02-14-1955 Weird Fireball Flashes Across East Texas Area

2005-01-07 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Paper: The Port Arthur News
City: Port Arthur, Texas
Date: Monday, February 14, 1955
Page: 1
Weird Fireball Flashes Across East Texas Area
TYLER, Tex. (AP) - A fireball, its weird green light casting a fiery 
glow over three men in an airport control tower, flashed like a "huge 
electric arc" across the east Texas piney woods last night.
It was apparently a meteorite. There were unconfirmed reports it 
exploded or hit the ground, but no evidence of it had been found.
Information indicated it was first seen here and disappeared some 60 
miles south near Lufkin. But the Weather bureau at Dallas got reports of 
people seeing its glow as far as Jackson, Miss., to the east and Mineral 
Wells in west Texas.
   The most vivid account came from J. N. Aber, a control tower operator at 
Pounds Field here. Here's his story:
"Around midnight this light seemed to pop out of the sky directly above 
us. It looked like a huge electric arc. It was green-ish, like the tip of a 
welder's torch.
   "It was going due south. There were three of us in the tower. We of 
course had the lights on, but the room lighted up brilliantly. It was a 
blinding light, the brightest I ever saw. We all turned and watched it 
disappear to the south, about 30 degrees above the horizon. It looked like a 
football with a short tail. It lasted just a second."

No Injuries, Damage
There were no reports of injuries or damage.
John Fonataine, aidway operator specialist at Lufkin, said:
"Along about midnight we felt a precussion as if from an explosion. We 
didn't see a flash, but it was reportedly seen in town. They said it went 
down somewhere between Tyler and Lufkin. Everybody in town is stirred up 
about it. Several said that when it hit it felt like a car door slamming."
The fireball was also seen from Longview.
The sheriff's dispatcher at Jacksonville, C. M. Hopkins, said he had no 
reports of the meteorite's exploding or hitting ground. Neither were there 
any such reports from Rusk.

Flood of Phone Calls
The glow lighted up the sky southeast of Dallas. Phone calls flooded 
the Weather bureau there.
Many said the fireball was red, white and other colors. A Dallas 
meteorologist said, "it was probably a meteorite, and the color depends on 
when you saw it."

(end)
Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Wichita, Kansas
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[meteorite-list] NPA 09-29-1965 China Claims Discovery of Meteorite (Hejing Meteorite?)

2005-01-07 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Paper: Reno Evening Gazette
City: Reno, Nevada
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1965
Page: 22
Communist China Claims Discovery Of Meteorite
TOKYO (AP) - Communist China says it has discovered a 30-ton meteorite 
in the Gobi Desert containing six "cosmic minerals."
The report, carried by the New China News Agency said the meteorite was 
the third largest in the world. The agency said, chemical analyses of 
samples from the meteorite "show that its chemical composition is: 88.67 per 
cent Iron, 9.27 per cent nickel, and cobalt, phosphorus, silicon, sulphur, 
copper and other elements.

(end)
The Hejing Meteorite was found in China during 1965 and this article may 
refer to it.  I do not have enough information on Hejing to confirm or rule 
it out.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] NPA 08-10-1995 Steve Arnold (IMB) hunts meteorites in Graham County, Kansas

2005-01-07 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Paper: Hill City Times
City: Hill City, Kansas
Date: Thursday, August 10, 1995
Page: 22
According to Tulsa man overlooked rocks (meteorites) worth up to $10,000 
each

Hundreds of meteorites have been found on various farms all across the 
Great Plains, and still there are thousands that have yet to be located or 
recognized. According to State Arnold, Director of the American Meteorite 
Institute, Tulsa, OK., these often overlooked rocks can be worth up to 
$10,000 each!
   Arnold was in Graham County, Thursday, talking with area farmers, 
informing them on how to identify potential meteorites. "With a little luck, 
something new might turn up," Arnold said. "In Hale County, Texas, there 
have been 15 different meteorites found and there is no reason why Graham 
County should have any less."
Farmers, as well as anyone else that may come in contact with rocks, 
are encouraged to keep a look out for any stones that fit the following 
descriptions: Very heavy; Smooth exterior (never porous like lava; Rounded 
corners; Black, Brown or Rusty in color; Magnets will usually attract to 
them; Surface may have indentations resembling "thumbprints"; Filing a 
corner with an emery wheel will reveal small metal specks.
If someone suspects that they may indeed have a meteorite, they are 
encouraged to send a small walnut-sized piece for verification to the 
American Meteorite Institute, 8177 S. Harvard #610, Tulsa, Oklahoma 71137.

(end)
As most of you know Steve does not live in Oklahoma anymore so I would 
suggest using the above address.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] Oman here I come!

2005-01-07 Thread Michael Farmer
Well everyone, I am off to Oman today, see everyone in Tucson in ~3 weeks. 
mike

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[meteorite-list] Tagish Lake - asteroidal or cometary?

2005-01-07 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello Walter and List,

Thursday, January 06, 2005, Walter wrote

> Speaking of Tagish Lake, is it of asteroidal or cometary origin?


KMINEK G. et al. (2002) Amino acids in the Tagish
Lake meteorite (MAPS 37-5, 2002 May, pp. 697-701):

pp. 700-701: "The low amino acid abundance of Tagish Lake relative to CM
and CI carbonaceous chondrites indicate that the chemical precursors for
the synthesis of amino acids may have been absent on the Tagish Lake parent
body. Based on this reasoning, C- and G-type asteroids as well as comets can
probably be excluded as possible parent bodies for the Tagish Lake meteorite.
Spectroscopic and dynamical evidence suggests that the Tagish Lake meteorite
originated from a parent body in the outer region of the main asteroid belt,
which is dominated by P- and D-type asteroids. If the Tagish Lake meteorite
is a representative sample of a P- or D-type asteroid, then these objects
apparently do not contain as rich a mixture of organic compounds as previously
thought."


Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1827

2005-01-07 Thread David Weir
Hello Adam,
You replied:
---
NWA 1817 and NWA 1827 came up before on the List as far as piggy-backing
goes. We informed the List that we own the main mass of NWA 1817.
Another List member said that Dr. Bunch said it was OK for the number
NWA 1827 to be used. I am saying this statement is false because Dr.
Bunch did not study NWA 1827 and would not say it is OK to use somebody
else's lab number.
Hope this clears this one up,
-
Thanks Adam, yes it almost clears it up... at least the part about not
using others lab numbers. However, while I have no idea what Dr. Bunch 
told Mike with regards to his use of the 1827 number, the reason he said 
whatever he said must not be for the reason you stated - that he didn't 
study this meteorite. If you look at the MetBull #88 published 
description of NWA 1827, you'll see that it does include T. Bunch, NAU, 
along with the team from UWS, as responsible for the classification and 
mineralogy. It also says that Dr. Bunch performed comparative studies of 
this sample (NWA 1827), along with your sample (1879), Mike's sample 
(1912), and several others (see previous abstract link), and determined 
that they are all paired.

I guess this clears it up for me.
Regards,
David
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1827

2005-01-07 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Dave,

I used the term verbally paired.  The University of Washington studied NWA
1817 and 1827 and then collaborated with NAU on other pairings.  This shows
that scientists can sort out pairing issues after the fact and that the
assignment of NWA numbers for each batch is acceptable.  With unique numbers
this paper demonstrates that more accurate TKWs can be determined.

All the best,

Adam


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From: "David Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hello Adam,
>
> You replied:
>
> ---
>
> NWA 1817 and NWA 1827 came up before on the List as far as piggy-backing
> goes. We informed the List that we own the main mass of NWA 1817.
> Another List member said that Dr. Bunch said it was OK for the number
> NWA 1827 to be used. I am saying this statement is false because Dr.
> Bunch did not study NWA 1827 and would not say it is OK to use somebody
> else's lab number.
>
> Hope this clears this one up,
>
> -
>
> Thanks Adam, yes it almost clears it up... at least the part about not
> using others lab numbers. However, while I have no idea what Dr. Bunch
> told Mike with regards to his use of the 1827 number, the reason he said
> whatever he said must not be for the reason you stated - that he didn't
> study this meteorite. If you look at the MetBull #88 published
> description of NWA 1827, you'll see that it does include T. Bunch, NAU,
> along with the team from UWS, as responsible for the classification and
> mineralogy. It also says that Dr. Bunch performed comparative studies of
> this sample (NWA 1827), along with your sample (1879), Mike's sample
> (1912), and several others (see previous abstract link), and determined
> that they are all paired.
>
> I guess this clears it up for me.
>
> Regards,
> David


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[meteorite-list] Deep Impact: NASA's Crash Course in Comet Science

2005-01-07 Thread Ron Baalke


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/delta/d311/050106preview.html

Deep Impact: NASA's crash course in comet science
BY JUSTIN RAY 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
This story first appeared in the January issue of Astronomy Now
magazine

NASA launches a space mission in January to blast a hole in the side of
a comet and learn more about the make up of these icy bodies.

As ancient wanderers of the solar system laden with primordial material
frozen in time, comets offer humanity clues to some of the most
fundamental questions about conditions when the planets were forming
more than four billion years ago.

Buried inside the hearts of these rocky snowballs are the pristine
building blocks that hold the chemical records from the solar system's
creation. Comets likely peppered the young Earth, possibly delivering
the organic materials needed for the rise of life, the water for our
oceans and even playing a role in generating the atmosphere.

To capture an unprecedented glimpse at this preserved material, NASA's
Deep Impact spacecraft is scheduled for launch January 12 carrying a
copper bullet that will be fired into the heart of Tempel 1 next July 4,
carving out a stadium-sized crater.

"We're doing this to discover the comet's structure and makeup," said
Rick Grammier, NASA's Deep Impact project manager. "This is like
swinging an 820-pound slug of copper at this thing and seeing what
happens."

Sophisticated instruments on the Deep Impact's mothership will record
the blast and peer into a comet's interior for the first time.
Observatories around the globe, plus the Hubble and Spitzer space
telescopes, will be watching the aftermath to collect crucial
information about the dusts and gases blown out of Tempel 1.

Conquering the mysteries

"My interest in comets all along has been trying to understand the
chemical composition and to use that to put constraints on our theories
of what conditions were like 4.5 billion years ago when the whole solar
system was forming," said Michael A'Hearn, astronomer from the
University of Maryland and the Deep Impact principal investigator.

"What we see coming out of comets as gas and dust is stuff that has been
modified because it is very near the surface, and every time the comet
goes around the sun the surface gets heated. So there have been changes
in the surface layers... What I really want to do is figure out how
different the surface is from what's inside.

Discovered on April 3, 1867 by Ernst Wilhelm Leberecht Tempel in
Marseilles, France, Comet 9P/Tempel 1 currently circles the sun every
5.5 years. Its orbit lies between Mars and Jupiter, providing the Deep
Impact mission a perfect target for reaching with a modest launch
vehicle, striking at high speed and being visible from Earth at impact
about 130 million kilometres away.

The exact size and shape of the comet's nucleus is unclear from
observations made to date. It is thought to be elongated and six
kilometres in diameter. How Tempel 1 will react to the impact is also a
mystery, but scientists do not believe the comet will shatter apart.

"It has turned out that the physics of how the impact occurs is also a
large unknown because we know so little about fragility or strength of
the cometary nuclei generally. We certainly know nothing about this
particular comet," A'Hearn said.

"There is an outside chance that we could break the comet. We don't
think that will happen... We don't think that the comet can propagate a
shockwave through from one side to the other so that you can break it
because we don't think it's that strong and cohesive everywhere."

Starting two months before the encounter, Deep Impact commences its
science observations in earnest, painting a picture of what the
spacecraft should expect at arrival and giving ample time to change the
approach strategy if necessary. Specifically, mission planners want to
pin down how the comet nucleus rotates and examine the jets of gas and
dust streaming away from Tempel 1.

Demolition day

One day before the big bang, the mothership releases the impactor. This
one-metre diameter, 0.8-metre tall projectile is equipped with an
autonomous navigation computer, cameras and a propulsion system to guide
itself toward a suitable impact point that is well lit. The mothership
performs an evasive manoeuvre, plotting a trajectory to fly past the
comet shortly after the impact.

"Early images from the impactor are mainly for navigation... to make
sure that it hits in an illuminated area and not in a dark area. As we
get closer, those images become important for science because as we get
closer and closer we will get higher and higher spatial resolution. We
will directly see the change in texture as you change spatial scale.
Assuming the camera on the impactor survives until very shortly before
impact, these will be the highest resolution pictures ever of a cometary
nucleus, much higher than we will get from the flyby [spacecraft],"
A'Hearn said.

The flyby craft will be using its spectrometer to i

[meteorite-list] Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Mission Status - January 7, 2005

2005-01-07 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2005-006

Guy Webster (818) 354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Joan Underwood (303) 971-7398
Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, Colo.

Dolores Beasley (202) 358-1753
NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Mission Status
January 07, 2005

Even as the Spirit and Opportunity rovers complete a year of successful
operation on Mars, the next major step in Mars Exploration is taking
shape with preparation of NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for launch
in just seven months.

The orbiter is undergoing environmental tests in facilities at Lockheed
Martin Space Systems in Denver, Colo., where its Atlas V launch vehicle
is also being prepared. Developments are on schedule for a launch window
that begins on Aug. 10.

"The development teams from JPL, Lockheed Martin and the various
institutions providing flight instruments have been working hard and
efficiently as a team. Everything has really come together in the last
couple of months," said Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Project Manager Jim
Graf of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "The schedule
remains tight, even as we continue to meet our major milestones in
preparation for a late summer launch. And I am really excited about what
this spacecraft, this team and these instruments can do once we get to
Mars. The spacecraft engineering bus and the science instruments will be
the most capable ever sent to another planet. The science gleaned from
this mission will dramatically expand our understanding of Mars."

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter carries six primary instruments: the
High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, Context Camera, Mars Color
Imager, Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars, Mars
Climate Sounder and Shallow Radar. All but the imaging spectrometer are
currently onboard. That instrument is the last of several that had been
installed but were removed so the science teams could replace an
electrical component. It will be re-delivered this month. The orbiter
will also carry a telecommunications relay package and two engineering
demonstrations.

"We're moving at a robust pace in the testing phase now and we're right
on track for getting the spacecraft ready to ship to Florida this
spring," said Kevin McNeill, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter program manager
at Lockheed Martin Space Systems. "Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been
a great spacecraft to work on, in part because we used an 'open
structure' design that allows our engineers and the science teams to
work in and around the spacecraft during every phase of integration and
testing, with even greater ease and accessibility than we've had on
previous missions. In many respects, the open design has facilitated the
integration and testing of the spacecraft. We'll be in the final phase
of testing during the next four months. Then, it's off to Florida."

Located just a few buildings away from where the spacecraft is
undergoing tests at Lockheed Martin's facilities near Denver, the
company also is building the mission's Atlas V launch vehicle. The Atlas
V, designated AV-007, will launch Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter in August
from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida. The Atlas is undergoing
final assembly and testing, and will be shipped to Cape Canaveral in
March to be readied for launch.

Less than two years from now, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will begin
a series of global mapping, regional survey and targeted observations
from a near-polar, low-altitude Mars orbit. These observations will be
unprecedented in terms of the spatial resolution and coverage achieved
by the orbiter's instruments as they observe the atmosphere and surface
of Mars while probing its shallow subsurface as part of a "follow the
water" strategy.

JPL's Dr. Rich Zurek, project scientist for the Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter, said, "The major discoveries by the Mars Exploration Rovers at
the Meridiani and Gusev Crater locales indicate that water did persist
on the surface of the planet for some time, so a 'follow the water'
strategy is appropriate. However, the rovers have explored just two very
small areas of the planet. A goal of this mission is to find many, many
locales where water was active on the surface for extended periods and
thereby provide a suite of sites for future landers to explore where the
potential for further discovery is high and the risk of encountering
surface hazards is low."

Additional information about the project is available online at
http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/mro.

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission is managed by JPL, a division of
the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, for the NASA Science
Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems is the
prime contractor for the project.


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[meteorite-list] 'Flare' Over Lake Superior Was Really A Meteor

2005-01-07 Thread Ron Baalke


http://www.grandmarais-mn.com/placed/index.php?sect_rank=1&story_id=190868

Five Mile Rock 'flare' was really a meteor
Cook County News-Herald (Minnesota)
January 6, 2005

A meteor streaking over Lake Superior early Tuesday night was
misidentified by a resident as a flare going up near Five Mile Rock and
a call was made to 911 to report the incident.

"Somebody called and said they saw a light," said Lindsay Williams, a
dispatcher at the Sheriff's Department.

A deputy was sent to the area to investigate.

Over the next half hour or so, communications between the sheriff's
department and the deputy on a police scanner included requests to
notify both the U.S. Coast Guard and an automated flight service station
located in Princeton, Minn.

The responding officer reported no problems in the area, according to
the dispatcher's records.

The sheriff's department then called the U.S. Weather Service in Duluth
which reported that meteor showers were predicted for Lake Superior on
both Tuesday and Wednesday nights.

"We've had meteor showers before that people thought were lights," the
dispatcher said.
.
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[meteorite-list] Ad: ebay, some of my best.

2005-01-07 Thread Tom AKA James Knudson
Hello all, I am selling some of my nicer meteorites, I know there not as
nice as yours, but they are among my best.
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=peregrineflier

Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier <><
IMCA 6168
http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm

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[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - January 3-7, 2005

2005-01-07 Thread Ron Baalke

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 3-7, 2005

o Eos Chasma Landslides (Released 3 January 2005)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050103a.html
 
o Coprates Chasma Landslides in IR (Released 4 January 2005)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050104A.html

o Xanthe Terra Landslide in IR (Released 5 January 2005)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050105A.html

o Olympus Mons Landslide (Released 6 January 2005)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050106a.html

o Aeolis Mensa Landslide (Released 7 January 2005)
  http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050107A.html


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 


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[meteorite-list] Re: Sacramento Mountains (was "happy new years odd and ends")

2005-01-07 Thread DNAndrews
Steve, isn't this meteorite from New Mexico instead of Arizona?
Best,
Dave
Steve Arnold wrote:
Also having more good news
as I got home today,I had a package waiting for me.It was my 206 gram
slice of the arizona meteorite, SACRAMENTO MOUNTAINS.I traded away 3 of my
pieces to get this.

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Re: [meteorite-list] ** Franconia strewnfield **

2005-01-07 Thread Mike / flattoprocks
Hi Mike and Pierre, I have hunted the Franconia strewn field many times. I 
live 35 miles from the area, I was also one of the first people who knew a 
strewn field was even there. I would guess that half of Mikes estimate of 
400 kilos would even be high. I can also assure you that it is not an easy 
place to find a meteorite. On the other hand it is not all gone either.If 
you want a piece for your collection you can go there a find one. I agree 
with Mike, it is a nice meteorite.
Mike you also say the price is about to collapse... Do you see a flood of 
material on the market? I do not, I mean give me a break. It is a very new 
meteorite, of course there is some available for sale. A year from now there 
will be less, just as it should be.
I for one think an ordinary chondrite from Arizona is more exciting than 
another one of the hundreds from some unknown place in Africa.
Mike Miller  //  E-Bay  flattoprocks
Website // www.meteoritefinder.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pelé Pierre-Marie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "MeteoriteList" 

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ** Franconia strewnfield **


Pierre, it is mixed government and private land. There is much left to 
find.
I know of at least 400 kilograms of it, so I am shocked that people would 
be suckered into paying multi dollars per gram. It is a nice meteorite, 
but the price is ready to collapse.
Mike Farmer
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From: "Pelé Pierre-Marie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MeteoriteList" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ** Franconia strewnfield **


Hello to the List.
I would like to know if the Franconia strewnfield is
in a public zone or a private property. Do you think
there's much more to find ?
Thanks in advance,
Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake - asteroidal or cometary?

2005-01-07 Thread Walter Branch
Hi Bernd,

Thanks for the MAPS reference.  I would have liked to have had MAPS
delivered to my door as a member of the meteoritical society but in spite of
having sent my dues in July 2003 and subsequent emails to the treasurer, I
still have not received a single issue from the publusher.  I eventually
just gave up.

Anyone else have this problem, or am I the only one?

-Walter
-
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake - asteroidal or cometary?


> Hello Walter and List,
>
> Thursday, January 06, 2005, Walter wrote
>
> > Speaking of Tagish Lake, is it of asteroidal or cometary origin?
>
>
> KMINEK G. et al. (2002) Amino acids in the Tagish
> Lake meteorite (MAPS 37-5, 2002 May, pp. 697-701):
>
> pp. 700-701: "The low amino acid abundance of Tagish Lake relative to CM
> and CI carbonaceous chondrites indicate that the chemical precursors for
> the synthesis of amino acids may have been absent on the Tagish Lake
parent
> body. Based on this reasoning, C- and G-type asteroids as well as comets
can
> probably be excluded as possible parent bodies for the Tagish Lake
meteorite.
> Spectroscopic and dynamical evidence suggests that the Tagish Lake
meteorite
> originated from a parent body in the outer region of the main asteroid
belt,
> which is dominated by P- and D-type asteroids. If the Tagish Lake
meteorite
> is a representative sample of a P- or D-type asteroid, then these objects
> apparently do not contain as rich a mixture of organic compounds as
previously
> thought."
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Bernd
>
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[meteorite-list] Comet Machholz (C/2004 Q2)

2005-01-07 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello Folks,

Don't miss out on this beautiful comet tonight, provided your skies
are clear. It is a naked-eye object tonight from the suburban town
where I live (first use averted and then direct vision -- do not forget
to dark-adapt your eyes for a few minutes - ideally about 20 minutes),
it's an easy target through 10x50 binoculars and breathtaking through
an 8-inch scope.

Where to look: 

First of all find the Pleiades (the Seven Sisters to the right and above
Tauraus, the Bull - my birthday constellation ;-), then look in the four 
o'clock position away from the Pleiades, well, about as far away as the
apparent diameter of the Pleiades star cluster (at least here in Europe,
in the Continental US it will probably be about twice the diameter of M45).

Happy viewing!

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] MAPS

2005-01-07 Thread bernd . pauli
> Thanks for the MAPS reference.

My pleasure!

> I still have not received a single issue from the publusher. I eventually
> just gave up. Anyone else have this problem, or am I the only one?

I know what you are talking about. The last issue I received was the
October 2004 issue (Neuschwanstein special). I further think that I
paid my 2004 issues twice in order to make sure I will receive further
issues without interruption. It is a bit messy, to say the least :-(

Instead I receive messages like this one:

> I am writing to request immediate payment of your Meteoritical
> Society dues for 2004. Membership dues are normally paid at
> the beginning of each calendar year. According to our records,
> you have not responded to two prior reminders and have last
> paid dues on  December 30, 2002.

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] RE: MAPS

2005-01-07 Thread Christian Anger
My case too !

And I am not the only Austrian that
did not receive any magazine since October 2004 issue.

But I didn't get such strange emails as Bernd got.

I think they have a problem.

Cheers,

Christian

IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
 
Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA
 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:44 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] MAPS

> Thanks for the MAPS reference.

My pleasure!

> I still have not received a single issue from the publusher. I eventually
> just gave up. Anyone else have this problem, or am I the only one?

I know what you are talking about. The last issue I received was the
October 2004 issue (Neuschwanstein special). I further think that I
paid my 2004 issues twice in order to make sure I will receive further
issues without interruption. It is a bit messy, to say the least :-(

Instead I receive messages like this one:

> I am writing to request immediate payment of your Meteoritical
> Society dues for 2004. Membership dues are normally paid at
> the beginning of each calendar year. According to our records,
> you have not responded to two prior reminders and have last
> paid dues on  December 30, 2002.

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Where they fall

2005-01-07 Thread Steven Drummond
Hi Mike and List,
Meteorites are all Exciting !
Just because it fell in a specific place on this earth
(or hit something man made ) doesn't make them any better than any of the
others .  NWA has supplied some very fantastic material , yet there are
allot of people that think for some reason the NWA's are inferior.
All meteorites hit the Earth somewhere and where they
fell really means nothing scientifically. I believe it's the Classifications
that make each meteorite special in it's own.
If a meteorite from Mercury were to hit the earth where
it fell on this planet wouldn't matter that much , I think the scientists
would be more interested in the fact it came from Mercury than where on the
planet it hit.
One persons opinion .
 Best Regards,Steven Drummond
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Re: [meteorite-list] Where they fall...

2005-01-07 Thread Jerry A. Wallace
Steven Drummond wrote:
Just because it fell in a specific place on this earth (or hit 
something man made )

doesn't make them any better than any of the others.  

Hi Steven,
It's obvious you're not a Texan.
For instance, I separate my collection into two major categories:
1. TEXAS Meteorites
2. Meteorites, The Rest of the World
I suspect most other Texans do the same.
Have a good and prosperous New Year (and buy lots of oil),
Jerry
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[meteorite-list] A Field Update from Morocco

2005-01-07 Thread Adam Hupe
Dear List,

I just received an interesting report from the field in Morocco.  It seems
that most of the Moroccan dealers have gathered in one place to discuss the
future of meteorites over a huge feast.  Among those in attendance is
Habibi. Greg is in the middle of this group so it should prove to be
interesting with all that has been going on.  Hopefully, some issues can be
resolved and animosities can be put to rest.

Expedition H19 has been successful thus far with the acquisition of some of
the new fall at a reasonable price.  Apparently this fall is susceptible to
rust as most of the recently found pieces are being turned away from the
Hupe Collection.  A gigantic piece of the pallasite that was discovered two
years ago is now in our hands.  Unfortunately most of it has been converted
to shale.  We will make some of this material available to collectors at
close to our cost in a few weeks because many expressed an interest and
don't want to pay the current high prices.  A rotted out pallasite found in
a wadi selling for the same price as Esquel, I agree, this is too much!  I
guess the intact olivine is beautiful and there is some demand for this
material.

Greg and the current team are bringing back a lot of holdouts so hopefully
quite a few unpaired items will come from this trip.  Some weird material
has already been purchased so who knows what treasures will be found in the
laboratory.  A 80% crusted oriented dark green achondrite filled with
vesicles was found, how exciting!  Some very cool material was rumored to
exist and Greg is all over it.  I can hardly wait to find out what it is.
H19 may turn out to be a great expedition even if the total offered weight
seems to be about 1/5th of what it was just two years ago according to the
most current reports from the field.

I look forward to attending planned expedition H21 in Morocco this spring.
H20 and H22 will be in the United States so maybe some List members can join
in on these.  I will provide details later.

All the best,

Adam



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[meteorite-list] Last Call For Meteorite Magazine Subscription Lists

2005-01-07 Thread AL Mitterling
To all participants,
Hopefully those who were involved in getting new meteorite magazine 
subscriptions have by now turn those in. We will be counting these and 
will announce our winner when we have determine one. Winner will be 
announced on the list. If you sent in subscriptions by mail, anything 
postdated before the new year will count.

Thanks for your participation and perhaps we will make this an event 
every one or two years. All my best and thanks for your help. You can 
contact Joel Schiff (editor of Meteorite Magazine) at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--AL Mitterling
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Re: [meteorite-list] MAPS

2005-01-07 Thread Walter Branch
Hi Bernd,

> I am writing to request immediate payment of your Meteoritical
> Society dues for 2004. Membership dues are normally paid at
> the beginning of each calendar year. According to our records,
> you have not responded to two prior reminders and have last
> paid dues on  December 30, 2002.

Yes, I got a similiar one as well.  

Hi Christian,

>did not receive any magazine since October 2004 issue.

After 1 1/2 years, I have yet to receive a single issue.

-Walter


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[meteorite-list] tuscon schedule

2005-01-07 Thread stan .
i searched the list briefly on this topic, soprry if this has already been 
discussed and i missed things.

i know last year there was a central tuscon info web page run by one of the 
dealers who was kind enough to go through the effort of making such 
avalible. does any similar list exist for this year's tuscon? if not is 
there any listing of who is where, and what dates any planned events are 
going on?

Thanks in advance.
stan
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Las Vegas fireball sighting - 2005Jan04

2005-01-07 Thread Robert Verish
 Forward Message 
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:27:10 -0800
From: skywise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Global Meteor Observing Forum
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Las Vegas fireball sighting

I too am new to the group, having been advised of it
after seeing a fireball on the 4th of Jan as well,
from LA. 
So apologies if I'm not following proper form.

Here's a copy of my post to a satellite observing
group:

Time: 17:43 Jan 4, 2005 (0143 UTC Jan 5)

Location: LA Area, Stanton CA
-118.00 33.80

Travelling due east from zenith. Was seen out a
window so only saw ending. I saw only bright white,
but mother, who called my attention to it, saw green
as well. Terminated about 30 degrees altitude.

It appeared as bright as airplane landing lights
seen head on from about 10 miles away. (I have seen
planes turning to land at John Wayne airport from
about that distance)

   This was not man made, was travelling way too fast.

Comparing the description to what Jennifer just
described, I think we saw the same event.

I had also heard there was meteorite fall in
Wisconsin, but I doubt this was the same event. The
great circle route to Wisconsin from my location is
about 45 azimuth whereas my sighting was at 
90 degrees and headed the same.

Brian
-- 
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology,
Astronomy

-- Original Message --
jennifersherer wrote:
> I'm new to this group and new to reporting a 
> sighting, so I apologize in advance for lack of 
> detail that one probably reports for a sighting. 
> I was just glad to find a place to report the 
> sighting!
> 
> Here's what I can relay:
> - location: Las Vegas, NV
> - time: Tuesday, Jan 4th at around 5:45pm PDT
> - seen while driving & position details are sketchy
>   (I was merging onto the freeway).
> - came almost straight down (slight angle from my 
>   top left to bottom right. I was facing south and 
>   beginning to turn west at the time).
> - it moving relatively slowly... compared to 
>   shooting stars I've seen. 
> - was still burning when I lost sight of it behind 
>   low level buildings and the freeway I was merging 
>   onto.
> - I called our local non-emergency line but no one 
>   else had called in about it at the time.
> - it was very bright and had a long tail... it was 
>   a burning orange with a green cast... I don't 
>   recall the destinct colors of the tail vs the 
>   body, unfortunately
> 
> I checked local news sources etc. and haven't found 
> any mention of it. It was breathtaking.
> 
> This was different than any meteor shower I've 
> seen. I've only seen one other thing like this 
> (fireball) and that was many years ago [10?] in 
> the San Francisco Bay Area. I remember it looking 
> just like this one.
> 
> Cheers!
> Jennifer
> 
- Reply Message 
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:51:41 -0800
From: "Robert Lunsford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: (meteorobs) Re: Las Vegas fireball sighting


This particular fireball was also seen in Southern
California. You can see Jennifer's entry and the other
three witnesses in the AMS 2005 Fireball 
table located at: 

http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireball/fireball_log.html

Clear Skies!
Robert Lunsford

- End of Forward Message --



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Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Machholz (C/2004 Q2)

2005-01-07 Thread Walter Branch
Hi Bernd and List,

I echo Bernd's sentiments.

>it's an easy target through 10x50 binoculars and breathtaking through
>an 8-inch scope.

Both the pleiades and the comet easily fit in the field
of view of my 7x50 binocs and 5 degree field of my finder.  You
are right.  In my 10 inch reflector, it is breathtaking.
It has been amazing to track it's movement over the past several weeks.

Here is a NASA java applet which simulates the orbit of Machholz (C/2004
Q2)...
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?sstr=2004+Q2&group=all

... which list member and JPL software engineer Ron Baalke had a hand in
creating.

Oh, almost forgot - "Meteorite."

-Walter


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Re: [meteorite-list] tuscon schedule

2005-01-07 Thread AL Mitterling
Hi Stan and all,
Try list link at the Meteorite Times.
http://www.meteorite.com/tucson/
--AL Mitterling
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Re: [meteorite-list] tuscon schedule

2005-01-07 Thread Paul Harris
Dear Stan and List,
I will be focusing on the Tucson page as soon as I'm done posting 
MeteoriteTimes.  I should have MeteoriteTimes up in a couple of hours.
I'll be updating the Tucson page with all submitted information and then 
I'll e-mail the list again to for more requests.

The web page URL is below.
http://www.meteorite.com/tucson/
Thanks,
Paul
At 06:34 PM 1/7/2005, you wrote:
i searched the list briefly on this topic, soprry if this has already been 
discussed and i missed things.

i know last year there was a central tuscon info web page run by one of 
the dealers who was kind enough to go through the effort of making such 
avalible. does any similar list exist for this year's tuscon? if not is 
there any listing of who is where, and what dates any planned events are 
going on?

Thanks in advance.
stan
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[meteorite-list] January 2005 MeteoriteTimes Up !

2005-01-07 Thread Paul Harris
Hi List,
MeteoriteTimes for January is now up.
http://www.meteoritetimes.com/
Enjoy!
Paul and Jim
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[meteorite-list] Rooms for the Tucson show

2005-01-07 Thread WAHLPERRY
Hi List,

Does anyone have any last minute tips on a room in Tucson for Feb. 4th and 5th? 
We actually have a reservation in Marana because no rooms were available in 
Tucson. It seems to be a nice hotel just wondering if anyone knew of any closer.

Thanks,

Sonny and Georgia Clary
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[meteorite-list] ** Tucson Dealers - Room Information Needed **

2005-01-07 Thread Paul Harris
Dear Dealers,
Please provide the following for our Tucson Information page: 
http://www.meteorite.com/tucson/

Hotel Name:
Room No:
Dates Open for Sales:
Other Information:
Thanks,
Paul and Jim

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[meteorite-list] A rolling astroid gathers no moss

2005-01-07 Thread Darren Garrison
So this one must not have been rolling for too long.  At least, I THINK that 
the green is moss.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6503894927&rd=1
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Re: [meteorite-list] tuscon schedule

2005-01-07 Thread DNAndrews
Excuse me all for "top posting" but one thing that has driven me crazy 
for years is the spelling of TUCSON.  I know, it's a small, trivial 
thing, but I've seen it all to often and it drives me crazy.  Tucson is 
spelledT-U-C-S-O-Nnot Tuscon.  Correct spelling might just aid 
you all in finding accommodations as well.

Sorry to split hairs and hope all of you can make it.
Dave
stan . wrote:
i searched the list briefly on this topic, soprry if this has already 
been discussed and i missed things.

i know last year there was a central tuscon info web page run by one 
of the dealers who was kind enough to go through the effort of making 
such avalible. does any similar list exist for this year's tuscon? if 
not is there any listing of who is where, and what dates any planned 
events are going on?

Thanks in advance.
stan
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