RE: [meteorite-list] fun moon picture -source
Hi, Kim did the cover of that super book 'Comet' by Carl Sagen Mark -Original Message- From: Don Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:09 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] fun moon picture -source OK, I found the source: Kim Poor's "NovaSpace Art" http://www.novaspace.com then do a novaspace (not web) search for the "Ultimate Sandbox" Art is by Michael Whelan, done about 15 years ago. Don __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - January 31, 2005
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[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite Meteorite - February 2005
G'day Folks, Thought some of you may like to see this month's favourite. I REALLY like this Aussie piece! http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/favourite/february2005.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] POOR DEAN'S "NOT GOING TO TUCSON"
Hi Dean, Don't feel too bad. I spoke to David New last week and he said that he too would be missing the Tucson show this year...the first miss in 45 years! Cheers, Martin - Original Message - From: dean bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:08 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] POOR DEAN'S "NOT GOING TO TUCSON" SALE > For the first time of the millinium I believe I wont > make it to Tucson thi syear. Staying home enjoying our > 11 degree weather today. Its weird seeing people out > in Toronto in January wearing T shirts. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hello to the List, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? Thanks, Pierre-Marie Pelé www.meteor-center.com Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hi Pierre, Welcome to the US. Here is a website that monitors the price of gas: http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgas_index.asp However, I might suggest that unless you are really doing some serious off road driving, a more fuel efficient car would be a better choice. It would also be safer, a better driver, and more comfortable. Plus, I think 22 mpg in a Blazer is unlikely. I suspect a mileage more between 15 and 20 is more likely. Good luck and have fun. Martin On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: Hello to the List, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? Thanks, Pierre-Marie Pelé www.meteor-center.com Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] mike's holy grail skyrock
this thread did not go thru- what was mikes "holy grail" oman meteorite? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad~ Atomic absorption spectro photometer
Dear List, Dan; A Green River, WY. person has approached me with the offer to sell a atomic absorption spectra photometer. Model is a Perkin-Elmer 2380, age: stated as 10 yr. old +_, former forest service testing machine before deceased purchased it. Asking: $8,000. Seller states money back guarantee. Used for metals prospecting...I do not know if it would be of value to test meteorites. Thanks for your look, Dave Freeman mjwy Rock Springs, WY __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl
many of you bought the bonita springs samples i had on ebay (thanks!). i got an interesting email form one of the buyers who grandfather evidently was the finder. name withheld for privacy. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I can give you some info - the family lore if you will. My grandfather was working for the state of Florida. He was the foreman on a crew for building roads in the area (bonita Springs). Roads were made with shell, they got the shell from the indian burial mounds. The meteorite was found in one of these burial mounds. It weighed about 30 some pounds. Also found in the mound was a larger than average skull. In the skulls mouth there was a gold ball that was very fragile, so fragile that it desintigrated when he tried to take it out. We've always speculated that the skull was from a Calusa indian, a native of Florida. Their tribe disappeared. The meteorite was taken by my grandfather and sat in the yard under a tree for some 20 years. One day a man stopped by the house and offered to by it, (I don't have his name, but I can get it from the bill of sale if you want). He said that the Smithsonian could not afford to buy the meteorite (yes, he told them that was what it was), but that he would like to buy it and donate (this part is sketchy) to the Smithsonian. We know that it (or part of it- it would seem) is at the Smithsonian - my grandmother when there and saw it in the archives. I've been told that it is older than the Earth, but I know nothing else scientific about it. The skull was lost when my grandparents moved. There were no other artifacts found at that time. How do you find the meteorites that you sell/collect? I am one of a large family, and you can imagine that they too would like to get a piece of my grandfather's meteroite. Can you tell me how we might aquire more? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Novaspace Galleries in Tucson
Hello Everyone, Twink Monrad has aksed me to forward the message noted below. I would also add that for those attending the Tucson show, if you have any interest in space art, you must stop by the Novaspace Galleries. The owner Kim Poor and his staff are super to work with and the selection of space art is second to none, including some prints that meteorite enthusiasts would be interested in. -Walter Hi Walter, In the past year I have tried to post to the list twice and could not, so just wondered if you want to let all who are in Tucson for the show that the gallery is very nice and open to the public. Novaspace Galleries 140 W. Fort Lowell Rd. not far east of Oracle Road. 10-5 Mon through Sat 888-2424 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl
> many of you bought the bonita springs samples i had > on ebay (thanks!). i got an interesting email form one > of the buyers who grandfather evidently was the finder. > name withheld for privacy. Well, the name is not so very private because it was mentioned in a post sent to the List by David Weir back in 2000. Here is what David wrote on Thursday, 24 Feb 2000): "This ordinary chondrite weighing 41.8 kg (92 pounds) is only one of four meteorites found in Florida, all of them stony. Details published in the Naples Daily News for July 4, 1993 describe the events of the day in 1938 or 1939 when Reginald Lyles went digging in a local Indian sand mound that measured 300 feet in diameter and 6 feet high, located between Bonita Beach Road and the Imperial River about halfway between U.S. 41 and the beach. While searching for relics, he found the large rock situated amid several skeletons. It was not until 1956, after having spent many years laying outside under a mango tree that the meteorite was brought to the attention of the Smithsonian and a sample sent in for authentication. The meteorite was subsequently purchased by Smithsonian Meteorite Curator Dr. Edward Henderson for the sum of $200, and samples have been distributed through the years to many other institutions including those in New York, Chicago, Boston, Australia, and Russia." Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Information wanted- Hessle specimen number
Hello all, Thought I'd start this Monday morning off with a little detective work. I'm trying to track the provenance of an individual of the Hessle H5 fall that is in my collection. It carries a specimen number that I'm unfamiliar with, but is different enough that it's former collection should be able to be identified. The number is written in red ink on a white paint background. The collection number is written like a fraction. In the numerator position a letter, "M" in my case, sits over the horizontal line. The denominator is a number-letter combination, in my case it reads: "103.P." So the specimen number reads as follows: M _ 103.P. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hi Pierre, > As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western > states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making > a budget and would like to have your help on the > following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV > and would like to know the average price for a fuel load > (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of > fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or > a similar SUV ? I drive a Nissan Pathfinder which gets better gas mileage than the Chevy Blazer -- for predominantly highway driving, I get between 21 and 22 MPG. I doubt the Blazer gets better than 19. Your mileage will be slightly lower since you'll be doing some dirt-road and lakebed driving. I'd assume about 17-18 for the Blazer on average. Gas prices vary quite a bit by state and within each state. ARCO and Chevron tend to be the cheapest in southern California, where you can find 87 unleaded (fine for the Blazer) for right around $2/gallon. It's maybe ten cents cheaper in southern Nevada. Northern Arizona is cheaper still -- perhaps $1.70 to $1.75/gallon. Don't know about Utah; according to Martin's link, gas in St. George (southwest Utah) can be had for around $1.85. People in our country like to complain about high fuel prices, but anyone who has spent time in Europe or the UK knows that our gas is quite cheap by comparison. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl
there are contradictions in the stories- i am going with what i received as the buyer bears the matching last name with the name in weir's post. yes, the buyer's name is private. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl >Date: 31 Jan 2005 16:58:50 UT > > > many of you bought the bonita springs samples i had > > on ebay (thanks!). i got an interesting email form one > > of the buyers who grandfather evidently was the finder. > > name withheld for privacy. > >Well, the name is not so very private because it was mentioned >in a post sent to the List by David Weir back in 2000. Here is >what David wrote on Thursday, 24 Feb 2000): > >"This ordinary chondrite weighing 41.8 kg (92 pounds) is only one of four >meteorites found in Florida, all of them stony. Details published in the >Naples Daily News for July 4, 1993 describe the events of the day in 1938 >or 1939 when Reginald Lyles went digging in a local Indian sand mound that >measured 300 feet in diameter and 6 feet high, located between Bonita Beach >Road and the Imperial River about halfway between U.S. 41 and the beach. While >searching for relics, he found the large rock situated amid several skeletons. >It was not until 1956, after having spent many years laying outside under a >mango tree that the meteorite was brought to the attention of the Smithsonian >and a sample sent in for authentication. The meteorite was subsequently purchased >by Smithsonian Meteorite Curator Dr. Edward Henderson for the sum of $200, and >samples have been distributed through the years to many other institutions >including those in New York, Chicago, Boston, Australia, and Russia." > > >Best wishes, > >Bernd > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hi Pierre, I usually budget $100+ per day for fuel, and food, and motel. Even that may be on the low side. Rock Springs, WY on I-80 fuel runs from $1.70-$1.90 depending on how close to the interstate the fuel station is located. Expect snow, rain, sleet and ice if traveling in the next two months Best, Dave F. Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Pierre, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? I drive a Nissan Pathfinder which gets better gas mileage than the Chevy Blazer -- for predominantly highway driving, I get between 21 and 22 MPG. I doubt the Blazer gets better than 19. Your mileage will be slightly lower since you'll be doing some dirt-road and lakebed driving. I'd assume about 17-18 for the Blazer on average. Gas prices vary quite a bit by state and within each state. ARCO and Chevron tend to be the cheapest in southern California, where you can find 87 unleaded (fine for the Blazer) for right around $2/gallon. It's maybe ten cents cheaper in southern Nevada. Northern Arizona is cheaper still -- perhaps $1.70 to $1.75/gallon. Don't know about Utah; according to Martin's link, gas in St. George (southwest Utah) can be had for around $1.85. People in our country like to complain about high fuel prices, but anyone who has spent time in Europe or the UK knows that our gas is quite cheap by comparison. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Meteorite Resource on internet
Dear List, I have discovered a new meteorite resource. If interested please check. www.worldofmeteorites.com This resource does not replace this list but adds to this list resources. Please sign up if you don`t want to miss out. Thanks. dirk ross..tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hello List and Robert Got back last night from the Tucson show, will be posting photo soon. I drove my S-10 Vortex V-6 Blazer 229 miles round trip from Tucson, average speed was 85+ mph, I used 11.2 gallons of gas. That's 20.4 mpg, thats's also with about 20 miles of Tucson city driving and I was flying pass those out of state cars driving slow in the left lane all the way, you can ask John Gwilliam, I scared the %$#* out of him. I also drove to Brenham Kansas last year to hunt meteorites with Ground Penetrating Radar and got over 22 mpg, I was crusing then. So my average is over 20 mpg highway for your info. My best to Pierre on his trip. Keith Vazquez Chandler AZ PS had a great time at the show! - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Pelé Pierre-Marie'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "MeteoriteList" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA Hi Pierre, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? I drive a Nissan Pathfinder which gets better gas mileage than the Chevy Blazer -- for predominantly highway driving, I get between 21 and 22 MPG. I doubt the Blazer gets better than 19. Your mileage will be slightly lower since you'll be doing some dirt-road and lakebed driving. I'd assume about 17-18 for the Blazer on average. Gas prices vary quite a bit by state and within each state. ARCO and Chevron tend to be the cheapest in southern California, where you can find 87 unleaded (fine for the Blazer) for right around $2/gallon. It's maybe ten cents cheaper in southern Nevada. Northern Arizona is cheaper still -- perhaps $1.70 to $1.75/gallon. Don't know about Utah; according to Martin's link, gas in St. George (southwest Utah) can be had for around $1.85. People in our country like to complain about high fuel prices, but anyone who has spent time in Europe or the UK knows that our gas is quite cheap by comparison. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl
the weight for one. and also whether he was working on the road crew or diggin' point another. the selling part is sketchy as stated. that was still a not-so-hospitable place to be in the '30's w/ mosquitoes, heat, etc., i'm still leaning w/ the grandchild's story all the way as it is closer to source. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:58:46 -0600 > >Hello Harlon, Bernd and list, > >I don't see any contradictions. The Weir post does not mention the >finder was part of a road construction crew, but I don't think the >finder was looking for rock to crush when pulling the "gold ball" >out of a skeleton mouth or when taking a skull home. > >Mark > > >David Weir posted to the Meteorite List, Thursday, 24 Feb., 2000 on >the Bonita Springs meteorite. > > "This ordinary chondrite weighing 41.8 kg (92 pounds) is only >one of four >meteorites found in Florida, all of them stony. Details published in >the >Naples Daily News for July 4, 1993 describe the events of the day in >1938 >or 1939 when Reginald Lyles went digging in a local Indian sand >mound that >measured 300 feet in diameter and 6 feet high, located between >Bonita Beach >Road and the Imperial River about halfway between U.S. 41 and the >beach. While searching for relics, he found the large rock situated >amid several skeletons. > It was not until 1956, after having spent many years laying >outside under a >mango tree that the meteorite was brought to the attention of the >Smithsonian >and a sample sent in for authentication. The meteorite was >subsequently purchased by Smithsonian Meteorite Curator Dr. Edward >Henderson for the sum of $200, and samples have been distributed >through the years to many other institutions including those in New >York, Chicago, Boston, Australia, and Russia. > > >Harlan Trammell wrote to the Meteorite List, Jan. 31, 2005, a quote >from one of the finders grandchildren. (Spelling corrected) > > Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I can give you some >info - the family lore if you will. > My grandfather was working for the state of Florida. He was the >foreman on a crew for building roads in the area (Bonita Springs). >Roads were made with shell, they got the shell from the Indian >burial mounds. The meteorite was found in one of these burial >mounds. It weighed about 30 some pounds. Also found in the mound was >a larger than average skull. In the skulls mouth there was a gold >ball that was very fragile, so fragile that it disintegrated when he >tried to take it out. We've always speculated that the skull was >from a Calusa Indian, a native of Florida. Their tribe disappeared. > The meteorite was taken by my grandfather and sat in the yard >under a tree for some 20 years. One day a man stopped by the house >and offered to by it, (I don't have his name, but I can get it from >the bill of sale if you want). He said that the Smithsonian could >not afford to buy the meteorite (yes, he told them that was what it >was), but that he would like to buy it and donate (this part is >sketchy) to the Smithsonian. We know that it (or part of it- it >would seem) is at the Smithsonian - my grandmother when there and >saw it in the archives. >I've been told that it is older than the Earth, but I know nothing >else scientific about it. > The skull was lost when my grandparents moved. There were no >other artifacts found at that time. > How do you find the meteorites that you sell/collect? I am one >of a large family, and you can imagine that they too would like to >get a piece of my grandfather's meteorite. Can you tell me how we >might acquire more? > ><< text2.html >> __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] rare info on bonita springs, fl
If you would like the best source of information on Bonita Springs, you should check the Smithsonian files. I have copied about 700 pages out of Henderson files and he is very detailed. He also likely transcribe his conversations with the finder, as that was his norm. (Paper records were very important from the Smithsonian as you never knew who would finish the deal and they needed to be able to see the history). Henderson was very detailed. Sometimes going as far as what he ate and the cost break down of lunch, giving drink and entree prices. This leads me to believe, the weight and years given in the Weir article are correct. They do not appear to be guesses, but instead taken from some source. It is hard to say that your source, giving us a third hand story, would prove more accurate. Weir's posting, quoting a Newspaper, notes "while searching for relics". Like I noted even if he was officially working at the time, I think its fair to say that when he found the burial mound, and started pulled gold balls out of skeleton mouths, that he had started searching for relics. I pretty much ignored the weight the grandchild provided as it was clear they did not know Just a guess 50 years after. Henderson would have had to submit a report to get his $200 (?) back. It would be hard to imagine that he didn't include the weight in that report. Again, this man was very, very detailed. Also, the price paid for meteorites, unknown ones, at the time was around $0.05 a gram. $200 would be very close to the correct price to pay for a 90lb. stone and would be a very high price to pay for a 30lb. stone. Nininger was retailing stones around $0.10 a gram at this time. I can show you orver a dozen Henderson letters were he is complaining about prices to Nininger. I don't see him upping the ante. If you are really interested in researching this meteorite, I can try to put you in contact with my Smithsonian contact. All of Henderson files are there and on record. You can likely get a folder labled Bonita Springs. They are pretty high in research and copy fees. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: meteorite hunting gas mileage, etc.
Keith wrote: > I drove my S-10 Vortex V-6 Blazer 229 miles round trip from > Tucson, average speed was 85+ mph, I used 11.2 gallons of > gas. That's 20.4 mpg, thats's also with about 20 miles of > Tucson city driving ... I'm amazed you got that good of mileage with a Blazer as I've driven them before (e.g. Park City ski trip last year) and never got 20 mpg -- even at far more fuel-efficient speeds. Maybe they don't do as well at high altitude loaded up with people and ski gear. > ... and I was flying pass those out of state cars driving > slow in the left lane all the way, you can ask John Gwilliam, > I scared the %$#* out of him. That's one of my favorite pet peeves about California drivers -- they think if they're going 75 in the left lane (speed limit 65) that that's good enough. I'd love to see them try that on Germany's autobahn -- you'd find them in the obituaries inside of a few days. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hello List, Any of you that are offered the opportunity to drive somewhere with Keith, take my advice and take a bus or cab instead. On the ride back to Tempe/Chandler last night, I though I was driving with Steve McQueen in the movie "Getaway." Keith mentions an AVERAGE speed of 85mph which I believe to be correct. Several time I looked at his speedometer and it was bumping 100mph. His Blazer has a governor in it that prevents him from going over 96mph. Thank God! The Tucson Show is super again this year with lots of great people and tons of wonderful meteorites. I'm putting together a webpage for all of the picture Keith and I are taking and will hopefully get it up and running soon. Best, White knuckled Gwilliam At 02:02 PM 1/31/2005, Arizona Keith wrote: Hello List and Robert Got back last night from the Tucson show, will be posting photo soon. I drove my S-10 Vortex V-6 Blazer 229 miles round trip from Tucson, average speed was 85+ mph, I used 11.2 gallons of gas. That's 20.4 mpg, thats's also with about 20 miles of Tucson city driving and I was flying pass those out of state cars driving slow in the left lane all the way, you can ask John Gwilliam, I scared the %$#* out of him. I also drove to Brenham Kansas last year to hunt meteorites with Ground Penetrating Radar and got over 22 mpg, I was crusing then. So my average is over 20 mpg highway for your info. My best to Pierre on his trip. Keith Vazquez Chandler AZ PS had a great time at the show! - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Pelé Pierre-Marie'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "MeteoriteList" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA Hi Pierre, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? I drive a Nissan Pathfinder which gets better gas mileage than the Chevy Blazer -- for predominantly highway driving, I get between 21 and 22 MPG. I doubt the Blazer gets better than 19. Your mileage will be slightly lower since you'll be doing some dirt-road and lakebed driving. I'd assume about 17-18 for the Blazer on average. Gas prices vary quite a bit by state and within each state. ARCO and Chevron tend to be the cheapest in southern California, where you can find 87 unleaded (fine for the Blazer) for right around $2/gallon. It's maybe ten cents cheaper in southern Nevada. Northern Arizona is cheaper still -- perhaps $1.70 to $1.75/gallon. Don't know about Utah; according to Martin's link, gas in St. George (southwest Utah) can be had for around $1.85. People in our country like to complain about high fuel prices, but anyone who has spent time in Europe or the UK knows that our gas is quite cheap by comparison. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hello Pierre, I have a Chevy Blazer and a Chevy Trailblazer. My Trailblazer always gets better mileage. So, if you are going to stick with a SUV you may want to compare rental costs for both Chevys. And if you can get them at comparable rental rates . get the Trailblazer its better on gas and has more room. Good Luck !! Bob Evans - Original Message - From: "Pelé Pierre-Marie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MeteoriteList" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA Hello to the List, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? Thanks, Pierre-Marie Pelé www.meteor-center.com Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: meteorite hunting gas mileage, etc.
Greetings Gas Guzzlers, I drive a 1997 GMC Sierra 4x4 full size extended cab truck which is basically the same as a Chevy. It has a 5.7 Liter Vortex V-8, Auto-trans. and gets 22 mpg on the highway (with the A/C off...about 20 mpg with it on). Around town or off-roading for meteorites I'm sure it drops down to 15-16mpg. Not too shabby for a full-size 4x4. So, a small S10 Blazer with a 4 cyl. or 6 banger (or the likes), might get a little better mileage than that. Best for a good trip Pele, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: meteorite hunting gas mileage, etc.
Salutations Gas Guzzlers! My Ford Areo star rear wheel drive and narly tires (with air shocks) gets me all around Wyoming as long as I pick the dry days to go hunting. The v6 engine and automatic trans gets me a very nice 26 mpg highway and 18+ putting around on two tracks dragging the ATV and trailer. The air shocks provides me ground clearance and extra load bearing capacity. For those looking at a custom job, the over sized tires, and other goodies will make a two wheeler pretty handy over all especially in the gas guzzling department...that and when I need real 4 wheel drive, I just unload the 4 wheeler off the trailer! It gets about 10 mpg but goes anywhere and the mini van gas that is saved, makes up for the ATV gas consumption. Best, Dave F. DNAndrews wrote: Greetings Gas Guzzlers, I drive a 1997 GMC Sierra 4x4 full size extended cab truck which is basically the same as a Chevy. It has a 5.7 Liter Vortex V-8, Auto-trans. and gets 22 mpg on the highway (with the A/C off...about 20 mpg with it on). Around town or off-roading for meteorites I'm sure it drops down to 15-16mpg. Not too shabby for a full-size 4x4. So, a small S10 Blazer with a 4 cyl. or 6 banger (or the likes), might get a little better mileage than that. Best for a good trip Pele, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), And you will be needing a lot of gas - those four states have slightly more area than France, Germany, the UK, Belgium, and the Netherlands combined! Have fun! Chauncey __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ivan/Finmet's number in tuscon
I'm trying to reach Ivan (Finmet) beofre I leave for tuscon. Ivan's wife gave me a number ending in 8798 to rewach him in tuscon, but did not say what the area code was. I tried the number for the 520 area code but aparently that number is no good. If anyone would have contact information that they could pass along to me I'd greatly apreciate it! Thanks Stan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nininger to Henderson letter; May 1, 1939 - Goose Lake Meteorite
.H. NININGER, A.M. Director The AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY RESEARCH ON METEORITES Office 1955 Fairfax Street DENVER Alturas, California May 1, 1939 Mr. E.P. Henderson, Dept. of Mineralogy, U.S. National Museum, Washington, D.C. Dear Dr. Henderson: We left Denver April 3 for a lecture tour of California institutions. Before leaving we had word from a Mills College Professor regarding a large meteorite in northern California which he wished to show us. He had examined a sample. Upon reaching U.C.L.A. Dr. Leonard very urgently requested that after my lecture engagements were filled I should come here to examine the same meteorite in the interests of securing it for the University of California and other California institutions. At the time of receiving these two requests I had not known of the U.S. National Museum negotiations with Mr. Schmit on behalf of his associates, the finders of the meteorite. Accordingly, I agreed to come with the understanding that they would pay Mr. Schmit's personal expenses on the trip. In return I was to allow these sponsors the use of my notes and photographs for reporting this specimen. I was instructed to have a survey run to determine whether the meteorite were on government or private land since the forestry office in San Francisco was not sure. The Forestry office gladly cooperated in this enterprise for they had been worried the thought of the possibility of the meteorite being removed without a careful examination by trained scientists. They had also been consulted by California scientists who were eager to retain this meteorite for California institutions and who knew there was considerable patented land in the vicinity. I agreed to come as their representative leaving the matter of my expenses to be cared for after the matter of ownership was cleared up. We arrived here Friday morning, April 28, and made one attempt to relocate the specimen that day. We were unsuccessful but the second day succeeded in finding it and in making field notes regarding its situation and surroundings. Yesterday we had the Forest Service run a survey to determine on what land the meteorite lies. It was found to be on government land about one-half mile from the nearest privately owned land. Last night I wired you and am now waiting for a reply. I estimated an expense of $70. (seventy dollars) for its removal, allowing $20.00 for two days of my time. I do not think it will require more than two days to remove and ship the specimen. It is, of course, possible that we may encounter difficulties which will require more time. It is located about 45 miles from Alturas, on a high lava mesa. Five miles of this road must be negotiated by team at this time of year. If it could be left until later in the summer a truck could be driven within a half mile of it but it is a practical certainty that the specimen would be badly mutilated by that time since there would be no way of policing it and the entire community is aware of it presence. Some of the local people knew last fall of its discovery and recently excitement regarding it has been growing apace. Naturally, that was intensified by our visit. We have found Mr. Schmit who represents the three finders a very high-type fellow. He has considerable appreciation of the importance of the find and expressed to some of his friends a very keen regret over the probability that all responsibility for removing the specimen might be left on his shoulders. He felt that a trained scientist should be given that responsibility. He placed me in a very embarrassing situation when he told me that California scientists had informed him that $3000.00 would be made available for the specimen if it could be retained in California and demanded of me, after seeing the specimen, to state its true value. I avoided a definite estimate but you can imagine the situation in which I was placed when he told me that if it were on government land he would have to give it up to the U.S. Museum who had agreed to pay him for his time after dividing with the two fellows. I told him that, of course you could not be too liberal in your offer before seeing the condition except for the removal of a small sample and I trust that you be as liberal as possible in your allowance to the finders in view of this whole situation. I also told him that I was in no position whatever to speak for your institution.
[meteorite-list] Henderson to Nininger Letter; May 9, 1939 - Goose Lake Meteorite
May 9, 1939 Mr. H. H. Nininger 635 Fillmore Street, Denver, Colorado Dear Mr. Nininger; It was a great surprise to me to learn that you had gone in on this Modoc meteorite. The matter could have rested a short while until our present plans had further developed and much of the confusion would then have been avoided. As it is now, things are very complicated and I prefer to let them straighten out before making any further comments. Your request for $66 may seem very reasonable to you, however, it is very difficult for us to understand just how we are obligated in this matter. This is my private opinion and has no official standing as yet. Naturally since this is our meteorite we have full right to the first publication. There is now in our files a picture of this meteorite at the place of discovery which may satisfy our requirements; however, until we have seen the photographs you have taken we cannot pass on their importance to this description so until a fuller account is received and this matter has clarified itself some, I imagine we will stand by our telegram to you from Dr. Wetmore. Letters are going forth to Mr. Schmidt in reply to his describing your introduction to him. Sincerely yours, (original would have been signed) E. P. Henderson (end) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nininger to Hender Letter: June 17, 1958 British Museum gets meteorites
(American Meteorite Museum Letterhead) AMERICAN METEORITE MUSUEM P.O. Box 146 Sedona, Arizona June 17, 1958 Dr. E. P. Henderson Department of Mineralogy The U.S. National Museum Washington, D.C. Dear Dr. Henderson: The British Museum has come through with a definite letter of acceptance of the "vertical split" of our collection for which they had asked. As we had told you, they had priority by reason of having stated negotiations for this segment of the collection before you approached us. In view of this development and by reason of tax considerations we are not now in position to consider further sales. We are, therefore, withdrawing all offers to sell any part of the collection other than individual items to researchers and the usual common specimens to individual collectors. In short, we shall continue for the present at least to operate on the same old basis, promoting education and research through our museum. We realize that this is going to mean a great disappointment to you and many others in this country but I am sure you will agree that we have proceeded fairly in the matter. It has never been our wish to see the collection leave this country as is testified by the many attempts we made to interest American institutions in it during the past decade. We were taken by complete surprise when Max Hey approached us with the proposition which had now crystallized in this sale. I know you will understand. Cordially, (Signed) H.H. Nininger NNH/AN CC: Dr. Raymond J. Seeger Assistant Director National Science Foundation (end) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nininger, Henderson, and pricing meteorites
Hello All, Having researched Henderson and Nininger a lot, I thought I would add to my earlier comment on the price of meteorites. I wrote: "Also, the price paid for meteorites, unknown ones, at the time was around $0.05 a gram. $200 would be very close to the correct price to pay for a 90lb. stone and would be a very high price to pay for a 30lb. stone. Nininger was retailing stones around $0.10 a gram at this time." To be even more honest $0.05 a gram, would be on the high end. I am really surprized Henderson offered $200.00, but maybe it took a few offers to get that much out of him. Henderson was greatly concerned about the price of meteorites when he took over duties of the Smithsonian collection. Before Henderson, Nininger talked with Merril. In Find a Falling Star, Nininger does not seen to think Merril really cared about meteorites, other then the cataloging of. So when Henderson first took over he was looking at prices he thought were crazy. When I wrote above that Nininger was retailing at $0.10, this is an average, not counting some stones that Nininger considered "rare". A few stones like Moreland, big stones that were weathered, Nininger only wanted around $0.05-$0.06 a gram for. Until Nininger, the Smithsonian was pretty good at getting a couple meteorites a year, donated at the request of, or purchased super cheap, from the finders. And people like Stuart Perry would donate meteorites from time to time. There wasn't enough activity to appoint someone to meteorites, as Merril was the mineral curator. I know in Find a Falling Stars, Nininger noted he paid $1 a pound in the field. Mind, you this was for Planeview a meteorite he already had a bunch of. However, from what I have seen he paid at most $0.75 a pound. The Smithsonian, seems to have been paying $0.50 a pound. So when Nininger would turn around later and try to sell it by the gram to the Smithsonian, Henderson barked a few times. Nininger for some reason, wanted to cover things like field cost and his time. Henderson was often very blunt with Nininger, but they worked together for several years without problems. Nininger would sent his large meteorite finds to the Smithsonian for cutting in which the Smithsonian would take a part of the meteorite in return for services. They would also classify meteorites, and prove meteor-wrongs, (many of them). Often around 25% was taken for cutting, which Nininger seemed was quite high. To be fair to Henderson, he showed Nininger that most of his cutting job's cost the Smithsonian, often around $500-600 in labor and supplies and always broke down the cost to him. Nininger seemed to grit his teeth and take it. I can only imagine Nininger's relief when he set up in Denver, "The Nininger Laboratory". Where he not cut meteorites for others..taking a share of it of course. The only time that Henderson and Nininger, really had it out, other then the selling of part of the collection to Britain, which Nininger pretty much just refused to talk so I can't really say they had it out then, was when Nininger helped recover the Goose Lake meteorite. Henderson and Nininger worked up a pricing scheme for meteorites once. On what they should pay in the field. Henderson then enlisted others that played with meteorites and everyone agreed to it. Nininger would later find out the Smithsonian willing to pay more and in Nininger's opinion. Cost him several meteorites. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Novaspace Galleries in Tucson
All, THERE IS NONE BETTER THAN KIM & SALLY POOR'S NOVASPACE - NONE. Take advantage of seeing space art like you have never seen it before. Enjoy Tucson, see you there some year. All the best, Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:47 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Novaspace Galleries in Tucson Hello Everyone, Twink Monrad has aksed me to forward the message noted below. I would also add that for those attending the Tucson show, if you have any interest in space art, you must stop by the Novaspace Galleries. The owner Kim Poor and his staff are super to work with and the selection of space art is second to none, including some prints that meteorite enthusiasts would be interested in. -Walter Hi Walter, In the past year I have tried to post to the list twice and could not, so just wondered if you want to let all who are in Tucson for the show that the gallery is very nice and open to the public. Novaspace Galleries 140 W. Fort Lowell Rd. not far east of Oracle Road. 10-5 Mon through Sat 888-2424 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] stienbach
Hi list.Just a heads up.I will be looking for a slice of stienbach (germany)min. 20 grams.I have a very nice piece to trade for it.See you in 2 days. steve arnold,chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wellman F
I have the pleasure to announce a new find from the high plains of Texas. It was found by a cotton farmer in 1999 and identified in October of 2004. Due dilligence with TCU and the Field Museum have ruled out a pairing. So I wish to announce the arrival of the provisionally named, but not yet approved, Wellman (f). Its an H5 with little weathering and has lots of coarse metal in it. A half kilo slice of this will be available at Mr. Blood's auction. -- McCartneyTaylor, IMCA #2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Wellman F
Can we have more info? Like TKW, location (obviously near Wellman), weathering grade, etc? How much will be made available to collectors? Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McCartney Taylor Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:40 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Wellman F I have the pleasure to announce a new find from the high plains of Texas. It was found by a cotton farmer in 1999 and identified in October of 2004. Due dilligence with TCU and the Field Museum have ruled out a pairing. So I wish to announce the arrival of the provisionally named, but not yet approved, Wellman (f). Its an H5 with little weathering and has lots of coarse metal in it. A half kilo slice of this will be available at Mr. Blood's auction. -- McCartneyTaylor, IMCA #2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hot flash more goof balls?
Dear List; Seems someone has fossils being found on Mars! Shark teeth, stromatolites, sea urchins, what next, piltdown man? No, piltdown man drove a car on Mars! http://www.xenotechresearch.com/marsindx.htm Guess NASA hides much from us according to these jokers, see for a great laugh! Happy Monday, Dave F. WY __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] For the stay at homes among us!
Dear List stay at homes; If you get bored sitting in your snow bank home, or just need to feed the flavor of the Tucson show and haven't seen any pictures yet, try a google search, there are plenty of sites. The one below is # 4 or 5 on the search, home of Bob's Rock Shop web site of Rock and Gem Magazine. Bob lives in Tucson, and has a nice picture of Mike 'new Holy Grail on his page of pictures. Here's one for us stay at homes: http://www.tucsonshow.com Weather therehell, it must be 40 at night and 60 daily all week. Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] For the stay at homes among us! Tucson Photos
Hello List Here are some Tucson show photo's of meteorite dealers and displays taken this weekend. http://www.arizonameteorites.com/azkeith.htm I like to thank "White knuckled Gwilliam" for help with the hosting and doing the page. Hope you all enjoy. Keith Vazquez Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: "David Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] For the stay at homes among us! Dear List stay at homes; If you get bored sitting in your snow bank home, or just need to feed the flavor of the Tucson show and haven't seen any pictures yet, try a google search, there are plenty of sites. The one below is # 4 or 5 on the search, home of Bob's Rock Shop web site of Rock and Gem Magazine. Bob lives in Tucson, and has a nice picture of Mike 'new Holy Grail on his page of pictures. Here's one for us stay at homes: http://www.tucsonshow.com Weather therehell, it must be 40 at night and 60 daily all week. Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] For the stay at homes among us!
Thanks for the link Dave! I sure wish I was there! Tom - Original Message - From: "David Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] For the stay at homes among us! > Dear List stay at homes; > If you get bored sitting in your snow bank home, or just need to feed > the flavor of the Tucson show and haven't seen any pictures yet, try a > google search, there are plenty of sites. The one below is # 4 or 5 on > the search, home of Bob's Rock Shop web site of Rock and Gem Magazine. > Bob lives in Tucson, and has a nice picture of Mike 'new Holy Grail on > his page of pictures. > Here's one for us stay at homes: > http://www.tucsonshow.com > Weather therehell, it must be 40 at night and 60 daily all week. > Best, > Dave F. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
