[meteorite-list] Fred Whipple and Harvey Nininger

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Everyone,
Fred Whipple's file on Nininger, curated at the Smithsonian, is rather thin. 
 Whipple wrote the Foreward in Nininger's autobiography "Find a Falling 
Star" and Nininger talks kindly about him in the book.  I think it is fair 
to say they were friends...or at least friendly.

Overall, Whipple's and Nininger's relation seems to me to be a lot like 
Nininger and any one else that worked at the Smithsonian or like instiution. 
 In other words Nininger woud make requests for opinions and generally 
bounce ideal's off of Whipple.  Whipple, list most people Nininger did such 
to, seemed to think Nininger was a little out there, I think you could say.  
But he remained professional with Nininger at all timesfrom what I have 
seen so far at least.

The following I which will try to post over the next few days is 
correspondence and office notes, concerning what I have always seen referred 
to as "Canyon Diablo Speroids".  Which is not exactly what Nininger wanted 
to name them, as you will see in the first letter.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] 1957 08-09 Nininger to Whipple letter, Canyon Diablo Speriods

[MARK BOSTICK]

August 9, 1957
Dr. Fred Whipple
Director
Astrophysical Observatory
60 Garden Street
Cambridge 38, Mass.
Dear Dr. Whipple:
Since our last report we have moved our museum to Sedona, Arizona, and 
are much better housed then before and are equipped with ten new exhibition 
cases of original design in addition to the exhibit facilities which we had 
in the old building on U.S. Highway 66, so that now we are better able to 
carry on our instructional program.
The Curators of Meteorites in both the U.S. National Museum and the 
British Museum of Natural History have visited us and have praised our 
project as easily the most effective educational program in meteoritics 
carreid on anywhere.  This is very encouraging to us.
Our most important advance since the last report has been the further 
reseaches and the publishing of my book - ARIZONA'S METEORITE CRATER - with 
which, of course, you are familiar.
Recently I have been making further classification of the several types 
of materail identified in association wtih the Arizona crater.  There has 
been considerable confusion of terms by various writers who have referred to 
my metallic spheroids as "small pellicles", "spherules", "metallic 
spherules", "Canyon Diablo spherules", and "miniscule bits and pieces" which 
appeared in THE ASTRONOMICAL JOURNAL, 62, No. 3, 1957, May, P. 96.  The name 
metallic spheroids was very carefully chosen with the help of Mr. Wilfred 
Funk to whom all of the description features were submitted.  They are not 
spherical hense not spherules.  They are definitely metallic.  They stongly 
tend toward roundness.  Their chemical composition as well as shape sets 
them apart from the spherules of Spencer and from all the particles 
described by Barringer or Tilghman.
Likewise various writers have failed to note that the metallic 
particles in our impactite slag are of two kinds and for the most part are 
different from the spherules described by Spencer from Wabar and Henbury.  
However, I have found that not all the particles in Wabar silica-glass are 
spherical as described by Spencer.
I am sending a list of the meteoritic and impacite materials that I, or 
others, have classified from the Arizona crater.
Our Museum has also recovered several new finds since the publication 
of THE NININGER COLLECTION OF METEORITES (1950).  The list is enclosed.

Respectfully submitted,
H. H. Nininger
HHN: AN
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[meteorite-list] Whipple, Nininger letter - Repost - Ignore other

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello,
I accidently posted my fastly typed transcript.rather then the spell 
corrected version, which is found below.  I hate it when I do that.  I have 
to post from the hotmail site and so when I do post I usually have 6-8 
windows openplus the spellcheckerpluswell you get the point.

Since some of you might be saving the letter, I am posting the corrected 
version.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick

August 9, 1957
Dr. Fred Whipple
Director
Astrophysical Observatory
60 Garden Street
Cambridge 38, Mass.
Dear Dr. Whipple:
Since our last report we have moved our museum to Sedona, Arizona, and 
are much better housed then before and are equipped with ten new exhibition 
cases of original design in addition to the exhibit facilities which we had 
in the old building on U.S. Highway 66, so that now we are better able to 
carry on our instructional program.
The Curators of Meteorites in both the U.S. National Museum and the 
British Museum of Natural History have visited us and have praised our 
project as easily the most effective educational program in meteoritics 
carreid on anywhere.  This is very encouraging to us.
Our most important advance since the last report has been the further 
reseaches and the publishing of my book - ARIZONA'S METEORITE CRATER - with 
which, of course, you are familiar.
Recently I have been making further classification of the several types 
of materail identified in association wtih the Arizona crater.  There has 
been considerable confusion of terms by various writers who have referred to 
my metallic spheroids as "small pellicles", "spherules", "metallic 
spherules", "Canyon Diablo spherules", and "miniscule bits and pieces" which 
appeared in THE ASTRONOMICAL JOURNAL, 62, No. 3, 1957, May, P. 96.  The name 
metallic spheroids was very carefully chosen with the help of Mr. Wilfred 
Funk to whom all of the description features were submitted.  They are not 
spherical hense not spherules.  They are definitely metallic.  They stongly 
tend toward roundness.  Their chemical composition as well as shape sets 
them apart from the spherules of Spencer and from all the particles 
described by Barringer or Tilghman.
Likewise various writers have failed to note that the metallic 
particles in our impactite slag are of two kinds and for the most part are 
different from the spherules described by Spencer from Wabar and Henbury.  
However, I have found that not all the particles in Wabar silica-glass are 
spherical as described by Spencer.
I am sending a list of the meteoritic and impacite materials that I, or 
others, have classified from the Arizona crater.
Our Museum has also recovered several new finds since the publication 
of THE NININGER COLLECTION OF METEORITES (1950).  The list is enclosed.

Respectfully submitted,
H. H. Nininger
HHN: AN
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[meteorite-list] Ebay auctions go to ended

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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - May 19, 2005

[SPACEROCKSINC]

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/May19.html  

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[meteorite-list] Nigerian Scammer.....having fun with

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello list,
No this isn't a beware of the Nigerian Scammers e-mail.  One has to not be 
thinking to hard to fall for such ploys.

I imagine I get 30-40 of the Nigerian e-mails a day.  Being a little annoyed 
with them I have decided to try to have fun with one of them.

I wonder how long I can keep our order conversation going.
http://www.meteoritearticles.com/nigerianscam.html
Clear Skies,
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[meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[Tom Knudson]

Hello List, I watched the video of the Chicago fireball filmed by a police
car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or 78 can't quite
remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a flash just like it.
   I was just wondering if there was a fall around that time west of
Michigan, or in Michigan?

Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: stolen meteorite

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Jeff,
I would suggest a photo link. Hopefully,
these bastards will be caught - but a photo
will be of MUCH more help than a mere description.
Best wishes, Michael

on 5/18/05 6:16 PM, Jeff Kuyken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> G'day List,
> 
> Yesterday, a large Boxhole (~1kg) was cut from its holding chain and stolen
> from the Research School of Astronomy & Astrophysics, The Australian
> National University. The details are below so if anyone suspects that this
> piece is being offered for sale anywhere, could you please contact myself or
> Vince at the school (Email below).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Vince Ford
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:25 AM
> Subject: stolen meteorite
> 
> 
> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS MESSAGE AROUND YOUR NETWORK.
> (and many thanks to the crew at Quasar Publishing for producing a
> list of astroplaces and groups)
> 
> Hi Everybody
> 
> Yesterday afternoon some low type cut the chain holding our "touch
> and feel" fragment of Boxhole meteorite and absconded with it. Just
> in case they approach one of you in the hope of selling it, here's a
> description:
> 
> The fragment is adult-fist-sized, say 12cm, very roughly
> scone-shaped, with the usual rusty, baked and pitted meteorite
> exterior. Weight is around a kilogram (we never actually weighed it).
> The distinguishing feature is the threaded hole for the bolt which
> attached the chain; very few meteorites come with this.
> 
> If you are offered this specimen, please take it for inspection and
> hold it for us to collect, get the details of the vendor if possible
> and let us know.
> 
> Vince
> 
> --
> ===
> Vince Ford
> Research/Outreach Officer
> Research School of Astronomy & Astrophysics
> The Australian National University
> Mt Stromlo Observatory, Weston Creek  ACT 2611
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> M:  0439 488 312
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[Martin H.]

Hi Tom,

The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
questions like yours.

Globally, there were two or three falls during summer
months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
Two falls were in China, and one in Iraq.

Cheers,

Martin


--- Tom Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List, I watched the video of the Chicago
> fireball filmed by a police
> car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> 78 can't quite
> remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
> flash just like it.
>I was just wondering if there was a fall around
> that time west of
> Michigan, or in Michigan?
> 
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier <><
> 
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RE: [meteorite-list] 77-78 MI fall?

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Tom and list,
My archives show a a California and Nevada meteor, June 18, 1977.  My 1978 
files are not as complete as the 1977 and I do not show any meteors during 
the summer of 1978.  Ask me in a month or two and I might have a different 
story.

The 1977 newspapers, during the summer months, have been heavily searched by 
me and Simone in search of articles on the Old Woman meteorite, so I would 
guess, if the event happened in the summer of 1977 or 1978, that is was 
1978.  This should be taken likely of course.

The Old Woman meteorite was (rightfully) removed from its find location on 
June 17, 1977.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] Astronaut Asks Congress to Investigate Threatening Asteroid (2004 MN4)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.space.com/news/050519_asteroid_mission.html

Astronaut Asks Congress to Investigate Threatening Asteroid
By Leonard David 
space.com
19 May 2005

WASHINGTON, D.C. - A former NASA astronaut will call on the U.S.
Congress to evaluate an asteroid with a small chance of hitting Earth in
2036 and suggest lawmakers consider a space mission to monitor the
object, SPACE.com has learned.

Russell Schweickart arrives here today to make his case. He'll also ask
Congress to assign to a government agency the responsibility of
protecting the public from space rocks.

The call to action stems from an orbiting hunk of stone that for a few
days around Christmas had scientists on the edges of their seats.

The asteroid, named 2004 MN4, was found last year. It orbits the Sun but
crosses the path of Earth.

In December, preliminary observations showed it might strike in 2029,
according to NASA scientists. It briefly had the highest odds ever
assigned to a possible collision. Further investigation ruled out the
2029 impact scenario, but scientists cannot yet rule out an impact in 
2036.

The odds of a collision in 2036 are about 1-in-10,000, Schweickart says.

In fact, there are several scenarios between 2034 and 2065 in which 2004
MN4 has even smaller odds of striking. Schweickart and other scientists
stress, however, that future observations are likely to reduce all these
odds to zero.

Time to act

Meanwhile, Schweickart thinks the time to act is now.

SPACE.com was provided a copy of the paper Schweickart will present. In
it, he carries out an informal analysis of the situation. He notes that
the asteroid will be mostly out of view from 2006 to 2012. When it
re-emerges, fresh observation will likely reduce the 2036 impact chance
to zero, he said.

"However, there is a slim chance that we will not be able to draw this
conclusion and that an impact will still be possible," he writes.

"One of the first things I'm calling for is validation and checking of
the analysis I've gone through and the conclusions that fall out of my
work," Schweickart told SPACE.com.

Schweickart heads up the B612 Foundation, which since 2003 has advocated
for more research and action to protect Earth from stray asteroids.

Call to action

Should his analysis prove correct after formal study, Schweickart says
serious consideration should be given to first placing a radio
transponder on the asteroid in order to better track its whereabouts.

The former Apollo astronaut will take his message to Congressional
lawmakers and detail his concerns at the International Space Development
Conference being held here this week by the National Space Society, a
space advocacy organization.

Astronomers agree that sooner or later Earth will be struck by a
damaging asteroid. While one could sneak up on us any day, the
overwhelming odds are that any potential significant impact will be 
known years in advance.

NASA has been charged by Congress with finding potentially hazardous 
space rocks. Yet only last year, after a separate brief scare, did 
officials formalize lines of communication between NASA's top brass 
and the astronomers who find and monitor space rocks.

Still, there are no formal lines of communication between NASA and the
White House to handle an imminent threat. And there is no U.S. agency to
which the issue of protection of the public and property from the impact
of near-Earth asteroids is assigned, Schweickart points out. Who would
decide on whether and how to deflect an incoming threat? What agencies
would be mobilized to deal with an impact?

The U.S. Congress should take action and assign that responsibility, he
said.

"In general, I am calling upon them is to address the overall issue of
responsibility for near-Earth object activity in the U.S. government,
which does not exist right now," Schweickart said.

Close brush

Asteroid 2004 MN4 was discovered through the efforts of NASA's
Spaceguard Survey.

The object is estimated to be roughly 1,000 feet (320 meters) in
diameter. Were it to hit the planet, it would not cause global
devastation but would generate considerable local or regional damage,
experts say.

"This is not a marginal asteroid," Schweickart said.

On April 13, 2029, 2004 MN4 will be about 22,600 miles (36,350
kilometers) from Earth's center. That is just below the altitude of
geosynchronous satellites.

The extremely rare event will be visible from certain parts of Earth.

The flyby will change the orbit of the asteroid and create "a low, but 
real possibility" that it will return to hit Earth seven years later 
on April 13, 2036, Schweickart advised.

There are no formal plans in place, at NASA or elsewhere, for destroying
or deflecting an incoming asteroid. But if it needs to be nudged off
course, you don't wait until after 2029, Schweickart explained. By then
it will take far more energy to deflect the rock, he said.

"We've got to start taking some action right now - to give us accurate
enough information - so tha

[meteorite-list] Spring Cleaning Sale Continues...

[Martin H.]

Hello All,

I have updated my list of meteorites for sale and
should have something for every collector. 

Many specimens are witnessed falls, and to add some
excitment, everyone who purchase something from this
list will automatically entered into a drawing for a
cast of the famous Venus Stone in the Robert Haag
collection - a $100 value!

I have a busy afternoon of mountain running and just
generally enjoying the great outdoors so please be
patient while waiting for me to reply.

Here is the link to the sale:

http://www.geocities.com/planetwhy/spring_cleaning_05.html

Cheers,

Martin
























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[meteorite-list] Near-Earth Object Survey Act Bill Sails Through House Committee

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.house.gov/science/press/109/109-78.htm

Committee on Science
SHERWOOD BOEHLERT, CHAIRMAN
Bart Gordon, Tennessee, Ranking Democrat

Press Contacts:
Joe Pouliot 
(202) 225-4275

House Committee on Science
Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY), Chairman
Bart Gordon (D-TN), Ranking Minority Memberwww.house.gov/science

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 17, 2005
Contact: Joe Pouliot, 202-225-0581
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

NOAA, NASA BILLS SAIL THROUGH COMMITTEE

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The House Science Committee today favorably reported
out four bills related to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration (NOAA) and the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration (NASA).

By voice votes, the Committee passed H.R. 50, National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration Act; H.R. 2364, to establish a Science and
Technology Scholarship Program to award scholarships to recruit and
prepare students for careers in the National Weather Service and in
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration marine research,
atmosphere research, and satellite programs; H.R. 426, Remote Sensing
Applications Act; and H.R. 1022, George E. Brown Jr. Near-Earth Object
Survey Act.

"All of these bills will improve our lives through increasing our
understanding of the Earth, how it works and what may threaten it,"
Science Committee Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) said. "As usual,
these bills represent a bipartisan effort.  I look forward to their
passage."

[snip]

H.R. 1022, also introduced by Rep. Rohrabacher, would establish a
program within NASA to detect, track, catalogue, and characterize the
physical properties of near-Earth asteroids and comets equal to or
greater than 100 meters in diameter in order to assess the threat of
Earth being struck by such near-Earth objects.  The bill would authorize
appropriations for the program of $20 million for each of fiscal years
2006 through 2007.

Rep. Rohrabacher said, "The potential catastrophe of an asteroid
hitting Earth should no longer be ignored.  We need to know what is out
there.  Accounts of asteroids passing close to Earth with almost no
prior warning should be enough to get our attention.  The first step is
to assess the threat. Given the vast number of asteroids and comets that
inhabit the Earth's neighborhood, greater efforts for tracking and
monitoring these objects are critical.  This bill would direct NASA to
expand their current program to track and detect potential threats and
would provide a funding authorization.  Any threat that would wreak
havoc on or world should be studied and prevented if possible.  We have
the technology, we need the direction - this bill provides that."

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[meteorite-list] Ad: Large one cent sale again tonight, over 50 items up for grabs.

[Michael Farmer]

Hi again, last night's collection sale was a bargain for those who bought!
Tonight is another sale, many items still at one cent.
Over 50 great meteorites, many oriented and some larger pieces.
Click these links to see all meteorites up for sale ending tonight.
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[Tom Knudson]

"The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
questions like yours."

I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : )

Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier <><

- Original Message -
From: "Martin H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tom Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "met list"

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?


> Hi Tom,
>
> The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
> Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
> questions like yours.
>
> Globally, there were two or three falls during summer
> months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
> Two falls were in China, and one in Iraq.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>
>
> --- Tom Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello List, I watched the video of the Chicago
> > fireball filmed by a police
> > car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> > 78 can't quite
> > remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
> > flash just like it.
> >I was just wondering if there was a fall around
> > that time west of
> > Michigan, or in Michigan?
> >
> > Thanks, Tom
> > peregrineflier <><
> >
> >
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[meteorite-list] Nigerian Scammers Having some fun

[Kevin Fly Hill]

http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/index.html

Mark -
Check out this website -- This guy has take that sport to a WHOLE new level
I have only had time to follow two or so of his story lines with these
idiots, but he gives
them the major jerk-around in a hilarious fashion.   One of the better
websites I have
ever seen.
Fly Hill


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Re: [meteorite-list] Nigerian Scammers Having some fun

[Arizona Skies Meteorites]

Hi Kevin and MarcActually the nigerian scammer
baiting was a list topic a month or so agoMartin
Altman came up with a very amusing website dedicated
to scamming the scammers. The story of Prince Joe Eboe
was quite fun.

http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm


Cheers


-John


 
--- Kevin Fly Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/index.html
> 
> Mark -
> Check out this website -- This guy has take that
> sport to a WHOLE new level
> I have only had time to follow two or so of his
> story lines with these
> idiots, but he gives
> them the major jerk-around in a hilarious fashion.  
> One of the better
> websites I have
> ever seen.
> Fly Hill
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Shergotty, 482 and Glorieta prices slashed

[Notkin]

Dear Listees:
Darryl Pitt of the Macovich Collection is not able to post to the List  
at the moment, and asked me to forward this for him, regarding  
meteorites on offer in the current I.M. Chait/eBay auction.

Take a look at the excellent photos (by Darryl) even if you're not  
bidding.

Sincerely,
Geoff N.

 =
http://www.macovich.com
Glorieta Mountain to Erupt on May 22nd.
The specimen illustrated is one of the four largest complete slices of  
the
famed Glorieta Mountain pallasite. It originates from the main  
pallasitic
mass recovered by Steve Schoner and measures 173 x 229 x 3mm (7 x 9 x  
0.1
inches) and weighs 412 grams. This specimen, which is the companion  
slice to
the specimen on the frontispiece of the Cambridge Encyclopedia of  
Meteorites
will sell on Sunday, 22-May at the Chait Gallery in Los Angeles for as
little as $20/gram given its very low reserve.

The reserves on the 11 kg Sikhote Alin, the 0.5 gram Shergotty  
(British Museum) and the 1.1 gram NWA-482 with fusion crust are also  
astonishingly low.

Sikhote / Lot 145
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&category=28295&item=6529243125

Shergotty / Lot 152
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&category=28295&item=6529243193

NWA482 / Lot 153
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ViewItem&category=28295&item=6529243197

Glorieta Mountain / Lot 156
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[meteoriteplaya]

Hi Tom
Well it just so happens I loaded up a couple of copies of A to Z earlier in the 
week and started them at $1.00
Only bid to $1.25
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=4550882431
No bids yet...you can start it at $1.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6533226078

Good Luck
Mike
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website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


> "The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
> Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
> questions like yours."
> 
> I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : )
> 
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier <><
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Tom Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "met list"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?
> 
> 
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
> > Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
> > questions like yours.
> >
> > Globally, there were two or three falls during summer
> > months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
> > Two falls were in China, and one in Iraq.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > --- Tom Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello List, I watched the video of the Chicago
> > > fireball filmed by a police
> > > car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> > > 78 can't quite
> > > remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
> > > flash just like it.
> > >I was just wondering if there was a fall around
> > > that time west of
> > > Michigan, or in Michigan?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Tom
> > > peregrineflier <><
> > >
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[meteorite-list] "A to Z," was 77-78 NE fall?

[Notkin]

Mike Jensen posted:
Well it just so happens I loaded up a couple of copies of A to Z 
earlier in the week and started them at $1.00
What a bargain!
Mike, I was thinking only yesterday (again) what a great job you and 
your team did on this reference book. It almost never leaves my desk. 
No meteorite collector show be without one.

Hey, didn't I say just that in my book review of "A to Z" in 
"Meteorite" magazine?  : )

Cheers,
Geoff N.
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Re: [meteorite-list] "A to Z," was 77-78 NE fall?

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Geoff, Mike, List.
Not enough pictures for my lower level IQ
Dave F.
Notkin wrote:
Mike Jensen posted:
Well it just so happens I loaded up a couple of copies of A to Z 
earlier in the week and started them at $1.00

What a bargain!
Mike, I was thinking only yesterday (again) what a great job you and 
your team did on this reference book. It almost never leaves my desk. 
No meteorite collector show be without one.

Hey, didn't I say just that in my book review of "A to Z" in 
"Meteorite" magazine?  : )

Cheers,
Geoff N.
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[meteorite-list] Oman developments

[Beda Hofmann]

Statement of the „Swiss group“ regarding the recent developments in Oman

Dear listmembers

The recent developments in Oman has led to the circulation of lots of rumors, 
also referring to our activities. Here we try to contribute to a clarification 
regarding our involvement.

The Institute of Geology, University of Bern, Switzerland, has a long-standing 
(>35 years) scientific collaboration with Oman. This collaboration always was 
of mutual benefit: Swiss geologists have access to unique field sites and in 
turn a significant number of Omani geologists have beed educated in 
Switzerland. Until 2001, this activity has not involved meteorite research, but 
was purely earth science oriented. During all this time samples were exported 
with permits from the Directorate General of Minerals (DGM), Ministry of 
Commerce and Industry, which is responsible for minerals.

After the first publication of many Oman meteorite finds in Met. Bull. 84 
(2000), we asked for the permission to search for meteorites on the basis of a 
collaboration in the tradition mentioned above. This permission was granted. 
Since 2001, we have conducted four search campaigns in collaboration with and 
involving Omani geologists. Our permission only concerns the collection and 
export for study, all samples are defined as Omani property up to this date. We 
do not have a problem with this, as our interest is purely scientific. We have 
contributed with the finds to an exhibition at the Natural History Museum Bern 
(Nov. 03-Sept 04) where, among others, the main mass of SaU 169 was shown to 
the public for nearly a year.

We do not have in any way the feeling that our group should be the only one 
having the permission to search in Oman. We have communicated repeatedly to DGM 
that we would not mind if other groups get a permission, provided that 
information on the exact location is gathered and all specimens are classified/
checked for pairing. We have also repeatedly suggested that the laws/
regulations should be made accessible either by publication in a journal (e.g. 
MAPS) or on a website.

As scientists and museologists we prefer to maintain good relations with the 
community of collectors and dealers (of meteorites and minerals). We do not 
have and never had have the intention, therefore, to turn in persons that have 
been searching for meteorites in Oman. No Swiss person has taken action to 
provoke the arrests of foreign meteorite searchers.

Nevertheless, we support the idea of the Omani governments to get control over 
the, so far, mostly unregulated collecting activities. In this context it is 
certainly true that our collaboration with DGM has led to an increased 
awareness of meteorites and their scientific value in Oman, and we are eager to 
contribute to a process that eventually will lead to careful and appropriate 
management of one of the richest meteorite accumulation areas in the world. 

Repeatedly it has been claimed that it was „perfectly legal“  to collect and 
export meteorites from Oman. We were always aware that this is not true, even 
though we have not seen the law in writing either. But we also need to obtain a 
permission for exporting any kind of common rock material. However, we would be 
very interested to know should anybody have gotten information from an official 
Omani source (e.g. embassy) that exporting of rocks and, inpaerticular, of 
meteorites does not require a permission.

Beda Hofmann and Edwin Gnos
Natural History Museum Bern / University of Bern, Switzerland




 

Beda Hofmann
University of Berne
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[MexicoDoug]

Tom thanks Martin and awards him ¿a smiley?:

>Martin kindly  suggests:
>>"The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy  of
>>Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers  to
>>questions like yours."

>I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : )
 >Thanks,

Tom, shame, letting such an answer-oriented book go to waste!   Meteorites A 
-Z is available from several nice listmembers and is highly  recommended to 
answer all sorts of routine questions about dates and falls  instantly!  
Someone 
please offer this man a deal on this book!  Or see  if he'll trade for a 
piece of his nice Franconia find!!
:-)

Also Tom,  another good source faster than posting is the NHM online 
Catalogue search  feature, where you can just put the year in this link I have 
copied 
for you  below (book mark it), selecting "falls"and the year in this case.  I 
tried  1977 and 1978 on two clicks and only came up with one in the US, 
"Louisville",  in Kentucky, but that was on January 31, not in the summer.  
Instead 
of  specifying USA I left it open for all countries, the search works better 
that  way, and of course Canada was a possibility an answer for your question!! 
 
http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/indexmany.dsml

Saludos,  Doug

- Original Message -
From: "Martin H."  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tom Knudson"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "met  list"

Sent: Thursday, May 19,  2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?


> Hi  Tom,
>
> The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
>  Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
> questions like  yours.
>
> Globally, there were two or three falls during  summer
> months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
> Two  falls were in China, and one in Iraq.
>
> Cheers,
>
>  Martin
>
>
> --- Tom Knudson  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello List, I watched  the video of the Chicago
> > fireball filmed by a police
> >  car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> > 78 can't  quite
> > remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
>  > flash just like it.
> >I was just wondering if  there was a fall around
> > that time west of
> > Michigan, or  in Michigan?
> >
> > Thanks, Tom
> > peregrineflier  <><
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[Bob Holmes]

Someone please offer this man a deal on this book!
Doug,
With all respect, the Jensen's regular price is a pretty good deal on this 
book.
Bob

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

Tom thanks Martin and awards him ¿a smiley?:
Martin kindly  suggests:
"The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy  of
Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers  to
questions like yours."

I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : )
>Thanks,
Tom, shame, letting such an answer-oriented book go to waste!   Meteorites A
-Z is available from several nice listmembers and is highly  recommended to
answer all sorts of routine questions about dates and falls  instantly! 
Someone
please offer this man a deal on this book!  Or see  if he'll trade for a
piece of his nice Franconia find!!
:-)

Also Tom,  another good source faster than posting is the NHM online
Catalogue search  feature, where you can just put the year in this link I 
have copied
for you  below (book mark it), selecting "falls"and the year in this case. 
I
tried  1977 and 1978 on two clicks and only came up with one in the US,
"Louisville",  in Kentucky, but that was on January 31, not in the summer. 
Instead
of  specifying USA I left it open for all countries, the search works better
that  way, and of course Canada was a possibility an answer for your 
question!!

http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/indexmany.dsml
Saludos,  Doug
- Original Message -
From: "Martin H."  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tom Knudson"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "met  list"

Sent: Thursday, May 19,  2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

Hi  Tom,
The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
 Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
questions like  yours.
Globally, there were two or three falls during  summer
months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
Two  falls were in China, and one in Iraq.
Cheers,
 Martin
--- Tom Knudson  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List, I watched  the video of the Chicago
> fireball filmed by a police
>  car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> 78 can't  quite
> remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
 > flash just like it.
>I was just wondering if  there was a fall around
> that time west of
> Michigan, or  in Michigan?
>
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier  <><
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[meteorite-list] Re: Fireball News Article from Finland

[Göran Axelsson]

According to a reliable source inside IRF they are working on the
infrasound data to get the coordinates for the meteorite.
If I hear anything new I'll post it.
/Göran
Robert Verish wrote:
--- Forward Message ---
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:56:47 +0300
From: "Lyytinen Esko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum" 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: RE:  Fireball News Article from Finland
Hi,
Yes we really had a very bright fireball yesterday
evening at about 19.23 UT.
The URSA meteor section has received quite a big
number of reports and more is coming.
The Sun was just about setting at the the region of
the observations and it was very remarkable in spite
of the lightness. It was cloudy here in Southern
Finland and so I could not capture it in my
fireball-camera.
We have received one photograph of the smoke trail
that peristed for 45 minutes (maybe till the Sun got
too down to illuminate it). There also exists a video
of the smoke trail, but the recoreder has not yet
submitted it.
According to my quick lookup, this seems to be clearly
visible in the Swedish infrasound data from
http://www.umea.irf.se/maps/index.php
Uppsala and Lycksele .
It appears to have entered from somehere South-East
with an entry angle of maybe 30 degrees from horizon
and lasted maybe from 5 to 10 seconds.
So the entry velocity seems to have been relatively
slow.
According to one (of the most nearby observers it
exploded into small pieced that ended in less than a
second from the explosion.)
The pieces quite clearly landed ouside the Finnish
border, into the Russian side, maybe by about/more
than 100km:s, according to the infrared locator.
I expect that Markku Nissinen will put the smoke
trail-figure into the URSA meteor section web-site,
but this has not yet been done.
Esko
 

There's a brief fireball news article from: NewsRoom
Finland
http://tinyurl.com/8au9f
A rare atmospheric phenomenon occurred in Finland late
on Tuesday night.
Emergency authorities in North Karelia received around
twenty telephone calls alerting them to what was later
confirmed as a fireball, or an especially luminous
meteor.
Callers told the authorities that a burning object
fell from the sky leaving a smoke trail...
Any URSA meteor-section members here?
--
David Entwistle
---
End of meteorobs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 18
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Sowhat ever happened to the Ssteveen  edition  of A to Z that was 
for sale that was floating around?
DF

Bob Holmes wrote:
Someone please offer this man a deal on this book!
Doug,
With all respect, the Jensen's regular price is a pretty good deal on 
this book.
Bob

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?
Tom thanks Martin and awards him ¿a smiley?:
Martin kindly  suggests:
"The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy  of
Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers  to
questions like yours."


I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : )
>Thanks,
Tom, shame, letting such an answer-oriented book go to waste!   
Meteorites A
-Z is available from several nice listmembers and is highly  
recommended to
answer all sorts of routine questions about dates and falls  
instantly! Someone
please offer this man a deal on this book!  Or see  if he'll trade for a
piece of his nice Franconia find!!
:-)

Also Tom,  another good source faster than posting is the NHM online
Catalogue search  feature, where you can just put the year in this 
link I have copied
for you  below (book mark it), selecting "falls"and the year in this 
case. I
tried  1977 and 1978 on two clicks and only came up with one in the US,
"Louisville",  in Kentucky, but that was on January 31, not in the 
summer. Instead
of  specifying USA I left it open for all countries, the search works 
better
that  way, and of course Canada was a possibility an answer for your 
question!!

http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/indexmany.dsml
Saludos,  Doug
- Original Message -
From: "Martin H."  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tom Knudson"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "met  list"

Sent: Thursday, May 19,  2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

Hi  Tom,
The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
 Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
questions like  yours.
Globally, there were two or three falls during  summer
months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
Two  falls were in China, and one in Iraq.
Cheers,
 Martin
--- Tom Knudson  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List, I watched  the video of the Chicago
> fireball filmed by a police
>  car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> 78 can't  quite
> remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
 > flash just like it.
>I was just wondering if  there was a fall around
> that time west of
> Michigan, or  in Michigan?
>
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier  <><

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RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: stolen meteorite

[Charles Viau]

List,

Anyone know how much of Boxhole is in public hands?  I have never seen more
than a few grams for sale at a time, so this thing should be easy to spot if
the culprits try and unload it, even if they cut the threaded hole off

CharlyV

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael L
Blood
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:42 AM
To: Jeff Kuyken; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: stolen meteorite

Hi Jeff,
I would suggest a photo link. Hopefully,
these bastards will be caught - but a photo
will be of MUCH more help than a mere description.
Best wishes, Michael

on 5/18/05 6:16 PM, Jeff Kuyken at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> G'day List,
> 
> Yesterday, a large Boxhole (~1kg) was cut from its holding chain and
stolen
> from the Research School of Astronomy & Astrophysics, The Australian
> National University. The details are below so if anyone suspects that this
> piece is being offered for sale anywhere, could you please contact myself
or
> Vince at the school (Email below).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Vince Ford
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:25 AM
> Subject: stolen meteorite
> 
> 
> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS MESSAGE AROUND YOUR NETWORK.
> (and many thanks to the crew at Quasar Publishing for producing a
> list of astroplaces and groups)
> 
> Hi Everybody
> 
> Yesterday afternoon some low type cut the chain holding our "touch
> and feel" fragment of Boxhole meteorite and absconded with it. Just
> in case they approach one of you in the hope of selling it, here's a
> description:
> 
> The fragment is adult-fist-sized, say 12cm, very roughly
> scone-shaped, with the usual rusty, baked and pitted meteorite
> exterior. Weight is around a kilogram (we never actually weighed it).
> The distinguishing feature is the threaded hole for the bolt which
> attached the chain; very few meteorites come with this.
> 
> If you are offered this specimen, please take it for inspection and
> hold it for us to collect, get the details of the vendor if possible
> and let us know.
> 
> Vince
> 
> --
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> The Australian National University
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[meteorite-list] TAZA, Glorieta on ebay

[harlan trammell]

added the last few sardis , ga pieces, a super little 8.6g snowflake etched, complete TAZA slice,and some super glorietas. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbigQ5fpineQ5fartifacts
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Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

[Gerald Flaherty]

Doug I got to check out the Jupiter in the arms of the moon[kinda, actually 
itlooked as if the moon had turned her back to Jupiter{a little like MY 
lovelife}] tonight! Thanks for the tip! I looked ral "knowledgeable" as 
I pointed it out at a coworker!! Jerry
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

Tom thanks Martin and awards him ¿a smiley?:
Martin kindly  suggests:
"The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy  of
Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers  to
questions like yours."

I would have looked there, but I don't own a copy! : )
>Thanks,
Tom, shame, letting such an answer-oriented book go to waste!   Meteorites A
-Z is available from several nice listmembers and is highly  recommended to
answer all sorts of routine questions about dates and falls  instantly! 
Someone
please offer this man a deal on this book!  Or see  if he'll trade for a
piece of his nice Franconia find!!
:-)

Also Tom,  another good source faster than posting is the NHM online
Catalogue search  feature, where you can just put the year in this link I 
have copied
for you  below (book mark it), selecting "falls"and the year in this case. 
I
tried  1977 and 1978 on two clicks and only came up with one in the US,
"Louisville",  in Kentucky, but that was on January 31, not in the summer. 
Instead
of  specifying USA I left it open for all countries, the search works better
that  way, and of course Canada was a possibility an answer for your 
question!!

http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/indexmany.dsml
Saludos,  Doug
- Original Message -
From: "Martin H."  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tom Knudson"  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "met  list"

Sent: Thursday, May 19,  2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 77-78 NE fall?

Hi  Tom,
The Chronological Index of Falls in your copy of
 Meteorites A-Z is a great place to look for answers to
questions like  yours.
Globally, there were two or three falls during  summer
months of 1977 and 1978, but nothing around Michigan.
Two  falls were in China, and one in Iraq.
Cheers,
 Martin
--- Tom Knudson  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List, I watched  the video of the Chicago
> fireball filmed by a police
>  car, and it reminded me, back in the summer of 77 or
> 78 can't  quite
> remember, I was back in Brighton Michigan and saw a
 > flash just like it.
>I was just wondering if  there was a fall around
> that time west of
> Michigan, or  in Michigan?
>
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier  <><
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