Re: [meteorite-list] half pricer update on meteorite sale
BASTTAAA STEV --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi list.I just added a few more pieces to my sale.The 18 gram piece of springwater is gone, with only the 28 gram piece still here looking for a new home.Remember all is half off thru 5/31/2005.Come and get it. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites of America CDROM
Hello List, As I see some questions about information on several american meteorites (Aldama for example), I would suggest buying my new CDROM Meteorites of America. All american continent (north, central and south) is described. Most of the customers gave me a good feedback. It's the most complete source of information about the americain meteorites that you'll find anywhere. It contains : - all meteorite of the american continent (north, central and south America) - many exclusive and rare pictures - a search engine to find everything you're searching for on the CD (with single or multiple criterias. New version faster) - an easy to navigate CD content with many shortcuts - a selection of useful web links - a glossary - a complete classification table - maps of american countries and us states USAGE The CD is in English and is readable on Apple PC computers (with Internet Explorer navigator or compatible navigator) PRICES - Europe (euro zone) : 24 euros (shipment included) - Rest of the World : US$ 29.95 (shipment included) PAYMENT - Only with Paypal (accounts : pierre.pele at voila.fr or pierremariepele at yahoo.fr) Thanks for your attention. Meteorite of Africa and Meteorites of Europa CD-ROM are also available at the same prices (24 euros or US$29.95 each). Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com P.S. I'll be at the Ensisheim Show selling CDs, my book about french meteorites and also meteorites of course... _ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrule size range?
Tom K wrote: I have seen pics of other meteorites with one large chondrule, but never heard an explanation of why. Hola Tom, I read your question before going to dinner. It was supposed to be a celebration of the first day I have permission to go out since a little surgery I had last week. My date was not very pleased with the outcome. When I got there there was this salt shaker on the table. It has one really monster salt grain in it. My lips baffled my brain as curiosity gushed out of my ears like hot plasma. Le grit al mesero, MESERO! Hay un grandsimo grano de sal en este salero tan chiquillo. Y como pensaba que l era experto en esos asuntos, y yo, andaba tan mortificado, le suplicaba que me diera respuesta a qu se deba ese enorme grano de sal all en mi triste salero. Todo un caballero, me inspir mucha confianza al decirme, S, seor, no me tardo ni un instante. Y se desvaneci. Estaba por reventar mi pobre corazn, pero enseguida se presentaba el joven mesero con una tremenda Margarita. Solo me dijo, y con mucho respeto, Primero qutale la tapita del salero, luego scate el enorme granito, y te la echas y te la tomas todita !! Now if that is not a more satisfying answer, I don't know what is. But you might also check out these great little papers !! Both a easy to download and you can find them with Google!! They suggest scatter plotting size distributions in Phi units !! just to brush up on pre-algebra!! For example, Phi = -log(D), where D is precursor grain diameter in mm. v=shock velocity of solar gas (by a shock wave formation model) n=primitive gas number density (/cc) log is base 2 cc=cubic centimeter You can see it is an open statistical question as to why-why-why one chondrule can be big-bigger-biggerer. Was it do to shock wave formation, collisions, and sorting before during or after the chondrules formed? Can we return to a simple world when all we need to worry about is one grain of salt? And they like playing with the Weibull distribution type which fixes minimum chondrule size, 10%-20% of the mean size (0.04 -0.15 mm), (thus mean size is about 0.40 mm to 0.75 mm), but imposing no maximum size except for a lot of handwaving that reduces to we werent there to see the variety of conditions so your guess is as good as mine and we are just trying to masaje the data to fit tose half centimeter or larger chondrules that you hapeen to see. By the way, the size of the meteoritic fragment in relation to chondrule size would generally not be expected to be related...any more than...well use you imagination and figure some of this stuff out for yourself for once, just for fun... DUSTSIZE DISTRIBUTION IN SOLAR NEBULA INFERRED FROM SHOCKshy;WAVE HEATING MODEL FOR CHONDRULE FORMATION. H. Miura et. al. Lunar and Planetary Science XXXV (2004) CHONDRULE SIZE DISTRIBUTIONS P. H. Benoit et al. Lunar and Planetary Science XXX (1999) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Collection Site Update
Hello I have update my collection site with new pieces type Esquel, Nadiabondi, Bison, Seymchan, Kunya Urgench etc... for who want see go here http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Two Questions
Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Thanks to anyone who can help me understand these processes. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Esquel Deluxe for sale - NOT eBay!
Hi, I have a superb 145g and thick (5mm slice) of the Esquel pallasite for sale. It has been finished superbly by Jim Hartman First person to offer me $4500 via Slaypal can have it. Payment would be expected within a few days Pics available on request! best dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) Final add on's to meteorite sale
Hi again list.I added 4 more pieces to my meteorite sale.Huizopa iron,juancheng individual,nwa 1553 slice, and finally 28 gram slice of springwater pallasite.All half price thru monday.This will be the final add-on's and email on this sale.So look long and prosper. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] half pricer update on meteorite sale
Let's be more constructive: May someone be so kind to explain Mr.Arnold, Chicago, how to open a yahoo-group? There he could advertise his stuff to the top of his bent to his heart's content and could keep the standings of his sales and giveaways minute-by-minute updated. All, who prefer to buy from him, could suscribe there. Blaine Reed has such a group, Mike Farmer, Rob Elliott, Dean Bessey...so I hope he will see, that this suggestion is not meant to be pejorative. Buckleboo Martin - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] half pricer update on meteorite sale BASTTAAA STEV --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi list.I just added a few more pieces to my sale.The 18 gram piece of springwater is gone, with only the 28 gram piece still here looking for a new home.Remember all is half off thru 5/31/2005.Come and get it. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica. Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - eBay reminder
Hi Just to say that in just over 24 hours some nice pieces are finishing on ebay... Imilac slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534151481 Oriented Gao Guenie http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534155208 Dong Ujimqin Qi Meteorite (Meso) from Inn Mongolia 1.8g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534168039 Taza 16.7g etched slice (very nice!) and a 3.3g individual http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534168651 Bid high, bid often!! Regards dave IMCA #0092 ps The 129g Estherville still as a few more days to go - I will send out a reminder no doubt! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrule size range?
On Tue, 24 May 2005 03:30:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of my ears like hot plasma. Le grit al mesero, MESERO! Hay un grandsimo grano de sal en este salero tan chiquillo. Y como pensaba que l era experto en esos asuntos, y yo, andaba tan mortificado, le suplicaba que me diera respuesta a qu se deba ese enorme grano de sal all en mi triste salero. Todo un caballero, me inspir mucha confianza al decirme, S, seor, no me tardo ni un instante. Y se desvaneci. Estaba por reventar mi pobre corazn, pero enseguida se presentaba el joven mesero con una tremenda Margarita. Solo me dijo, y con mucho respeto, Primero qutale la tapita del salero, luego scate el enorme granito, y te la echas y te la tomas todita !! Thoughts not adequately expressed in English? Here's what Babelfish made of it. Oddly enough, I get lots of spam that reads pretty much like this. I shouted to him to the mesero, MESERO Chiquillo is grandsimo grain of salt in this saltcellar so. And as it thought that it was expert in those subjects, and I, walked mortificado, him so suplicaba that she gave answer there me to what had that enormous grain of salt in my sad saltcellar. Everything a horseman, inspired much confidence to me when saying to me, Yes, gentleman, I do not take nor a moment. And one vanished. It was about to to burst my poor heart, but immediately the young mesero with a tremendous Daisy appeared. Single it said to me, and with much respect, First qutale the small cover of the saltcellar, soon scate the enormous granite, and you you throw and you the takings todita! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: One cent sale again tonight.
Hi again, I have some spectacular meteorites ending tonight, some worth over $500 each listed for one cent. Be sure to get bids in early, I have people email me every auction night who complain that they forgot to bid. Most are at one cent right now! Over 60 meteorites, click the links below to see them all. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunters Some specific pieces of note: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534425401 This is a beautiful piece of CR2 NWA 801. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534404596 Beautiful flight-oriented Sikhote-Alin. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534405827 100% crusted 265 gram Gao. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534430753 Flight-oriented Gao stone. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534409181 Transluscent Brahin slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534428845 Metal-rich Huckitta piece. Thanks Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrule size range?
Darren commented: of my ears like hot plasma. Le grité al mesero, MESERO! Hay un grandísimo grano de sal en este salero tan chiquillo. Y como pensaba que él era experto en esos asuntos, y yo, andaba tan mortificado, le suplicaba que me diera respuesta a qué se debía ese enorme grano de sal allí en mi triste salero. Todo un caballero, me inspiró mucha confianza al decirme, Sí, señor, no me tardo ni un instante. Y se desvaneció. Estaba por reventar mi pobre corazón, pero enseguida se presentaba el joven mesero con una tremenda Margarita. Solo me dijo, y con mucho respeto, ¡¡ Primero quítale la tapita del salero, luego sácate el enorme granito, y te la echas y te la tomas todita !! Thoughts not adequately expressed in English? I shouted to the waiter, WAITER! There's a giant grain of salt in this tiny saltshaker. Believing he was an expert in those things, and being so mortified, I begged him to give me an answer as to what that enormous grain of salt was doing in my sad saltshaker. Completely a gentleman, he kindly said to me, Yes Sir, I won't be but a moment, so I put my faith in him. Then, he vanished. My poor heart was about to to burst, but immediately the young waiter reappeared with a tremendous Margarita. All he said to me, and with much respect, was, First take off the small top of the saltshaker, then remove that huge piece of salt, and you toss it in, and you have her all for you!! Not much better than Babblefish (Sorry). Then again, the translation itself may have been funnier than the original. Words like Margarita have multiple meanings. Margarita=tropical drink, a pearl, a flower, and even a girl...Gentleman became horseman or knight, etc..Glad I don't depend on this to post:-) Saludos __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
Hi, I'm no good for the first question, but... Obviously, if a fall can contain many thousand stones that were once one stone and if 90% or more of the original meteoroid was ablated away in the descent and it was a clean ablation (no series of fragmentations), then the many meteorites would all be from the core of the original meteoroid, and their CRE dates would be very uniform. But, if there was a series of fragmentations, we could very well end up fragments from differing depths in the original meteoroid and a (possible) variation in CRE dates. In that case you would take the oldest date as most representative of the actual exposure time. But this variation would only occur in stones with long exposure dates. Here's why. Cosmic rays are the highest energy particles (protons and nuclei) known, so you would think that they are energetic enough to zap right through a 100 meter rock like a proton through hot butter. If that happens, we'll never know because we can only detect the cosmic ray particles that run into some poor atom and catastrophically breakdown into pions, which breakdown into muons, which breakdown into electrons, and leave the detectable tracks of their demise. They also leave behind an altered atom, the poor sucker they hit; it's been turned into a different isotope. It's just a matter of sheer luck from the viewpoint of the particles, all traveling at 99.-something percent of lightspeed. For example, we all assume cosmic rays are all coming down into the atmosphere, but there is an occasional detection of a cosmic ray coming UP, out of the earth! Why? Some really unlucky neutrino, which could normally expect to traverse lightyears of lead without hitting anything, hits something on its way through the earth and zap! When your time's up, your time's up. Like all radiometric dating, there is a coarseness factor. Put a rock into space for 10,000 years and retrieve it -- no detectable tracks will be found. Put enough rocks into space for 20 or 30 thousand years and you'll start finding tracks in some. So, good for dating millions of years, the more many millions the better, but no good under 100,000 years, and flakey under a million or so. The question you ask is a hot one and the subject of experiment and debate. In calculating CRE dates, you search the matter for tracks (hard) but we also base them on the amounts of odd isotopes that are produced when such a particle collides with an atom. In the equation, there is a shielding parameter to account for the depth in the parent body, but it has been demonstrated to be a slushy fudge factor, whose actual value can be off by a factor of 200% to 400% (some claim). Some physicists tackle this problem by writing even more complicated ways of calculating it and claim improved accuracy. Some physicists bombard samples with the highest energy particles they can cook up and measure the results. The two methods differ in outcomes, so... We can't generate anything like the energy of cosmic rays, so scaling is a problem. I'm guessing you don't want to do this messy stuff yourself, and that's good. And why I won't give a list of such references, unless you really like the word nucleotide a lot. You turn the rock over to the experts and they yell (quietly) at each other until they arrive at something they can all agree on within limits. Well, OK, here's a sample of references. If you like these, there's lots more... Meteoritics Planetary Science 35 (2000) Cosmogenic neon in mineral separates from Kapoeta: No evidence for an irradiation of its parent body regolith by an early active Sun Rainer Wieler, Anselmo Pedroni and Ingo Leya Meteoritics Planetary Science 35 (2000) The production of cosmogenic nuclides in stony meteoroids by galactic cosmic ray particles Ingo Leya, Hans-Jürgen Lange, Sonja Neumann, Rainer Wieler and Rolf Michel Meteoritics Planetary Science 35 (2000) Simulation of the interaction of GCR protons with meteoroids: On the production of radionuclides in thick gabbro and iron targets irradiated isotropically with 1.6 GeV protons I. Leya*, H-J.Lange, M. Lüpke, U. Neupert, R. Daunke, O. Fanenbruck, R. Michel*, R. Rösel, B. Meltzow, T. Schiekel, F. Sudbrock, U. Herpers, D. Filges, G. Bonani, B. Dittrich-Hannen, M. Suter, P.W. Kubik and H-A. Synal Meteoritics Planetary Science 37 (2002) Campo del Cielo iron meteorite: Sample shielding and meteoroid's preatmospheric size Liberman R. G.*, Fernández Niello J. O., di Tada M. L., Fifield L. K., Masarik J., and Reedy R. C. Long-lived cosmogenic radioisotopes, 10Be, 26Al, 36Cl, 41Ca and 59Ni, have been measured in five samples from the Campo del Cielo iron meteorite by accelerator mass spectrometry (AMS)... The measured 36Cl activity allowed an estimate of the meteoroid's preatmospheric size: a radius larger than 300 m and a mass of at least 840,000 kg. We conclude that this meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] half pricer update on meteorite sale
Let's be more constructive: May someone be so kind to explain Mr.Arnold, Chicago, how to open a yahoo-group? There he could advertise his stuff to the top of his bent to his heart's content and could keep the standings of his sales and giveaways minute-by-minute updated. All, who prefer to buy from him, could suscribe there. Blaine Reed has such a group, Mike Farmer, Rob Elliott, Dean Bessey...so I hope he will see, that this suggestion is not meant to be pejorative. Martin, looks like Steve try to make us happy with his sales/half-sales/giveavay's/ ect. also if we dont like them and I think he will not move from there any centimeter more. So our only hope is to press DEL key -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] half pricer update on meteorite sale
DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! At 08:57 AM 5/24/2005, Meteoryt.net wrote: Let's be more constructive: May someone be so kind to explain Mr.Arnold, Chicago, how to open a yahoo-group? There he could advertise his stuff to the top of his bent to his heart's content and could keep the standings of his sales and giveaways minute-by-minute updated. All, who prefer to buy from him, could suscribe there. Blaine Reed has such a group, Mike Farmer, Rob Elliott, Dean Bessey...so I hope he will see, that this suggestion is not meant to be pejorative. Martin, looks like Steve try to make us happy with his sales/half-sales/giveavay's/ ect. also if we dont like them and I think he will not move from there any centimeter more. So our only hope is to press DEL key -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]DELETE meteorite sale update/ (AD)
DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! Hope this works, JKG At 10:47 AM 5/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I did fail to list what some of my sale items are.There are 2 pieces of SPRINGWATER pallasite,a few main masses,some nice howardites, and a few NWA'S.I will be adding a few more over the next week.View at your liesure. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]DELETE meteorite sale update/ (AD)
DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! (sure hope this works) JKG At 10:47 AM 5/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I did fail to list what some of my sale items are.There are 2 pieces of SPRINGWATER pallasite,a few main masses,some nice howardites, and a few NWA'S.I will be adding a few more over the next week.View at your liesure. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]DELETE trade offer/springwater pallasite
DELETE DELETE DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! For some reason this isn't solving the problem JKG At 04:39 PM 5/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi again list.I have a 28 gram slice of SPRINGWATER PALLASITE for trade.Pictures upon request!I am looking for some NWA 1929 howardite. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD)DELETE half price
DELETE delete Delete DelETE dELETE maybe I'm pushing the button the wrong way, JKG At 05:23 PM 5/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Everything on my website on my meteorite sale is all half off the prices that are there.Ring 'em up! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collection Site Update
BASSTTAAA MATTEO!! At 03:24 AM 5/24/2005, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Hello I have update my collection site with new pieces type Esquel, Nadiabondi, Bison, Seymchan, Kunya Urgench etc... for who want see go here http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Final add on's to meteorite sale
We know better than to get our hopes up to much as there will more than likely be another sale starting on Tuesday. DELTETE, JKG At 04:05 AM 5/24/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi again list.I added 4 more pieces to my meteorite sale.Huizopa iron,juancheng individual,nwa 1553 slice, and finally 28 gram slice of springwater pallasite.All half price thru monday.This will be the final add-on's and email on this sale.So look long and prosper. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collection Site Update
what you want uh? Is not my 6 messagges on the list for month created spam...say this to others here in the list write a message every cent change on ebay Matteo --- JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: BASSTTAAA MATTEO!! At 03:24 AM 5/24/2005, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Hello I have update my collection site with new pieces type Esquel, Nadiabondi, Bison, Seymchan, Kunya Urgench etc... for who want see go here http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spring Cleaning Sale final notice....
Howdy folks, I posted an update to the webpage where I am selling some specimens. I've added a few goodies including some weathered L6 material from the Sahara, some beautiful breccias, some ugly fragments of Willamette, and a couple of SNCs namely Nakhla and Shergotty among many others. Also a reminder that anyone ordering from this listing will be entered in a drawing for a beautiful life-size cast of the Venus Stone from the Robert Haag collection-a $100 value! http://www.geocities.com/planetwhy/spring_cleaning_05.html This is the last notice before the drawing. Happy hunting, Martin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Final add on's to meteorite sale
Hello Dave and List, This Meteorite List has deteriorated to becoming a bulletin board for ebay sales and the like. Can anyone else remember a time when our list was more informative and educational or is it just my imagination? Best, John Gwilliam At 06:58 AM 5/24/2005, Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: Geeze Ssteve, What ever happened to listing ads a couple of times a week instead of every day and then numerous times on some days? Don't we have a separate email list site for all the for sale stuff that 90 percent of the list gets sick of? If not, please try to find it. Your repeated adds are like a dirty old sock to me. Seriously. Df delete Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi again list.I added 4 more pieces to my meteorite sale.Huizopa iron,juancheng individual,nwa 1553 slice, and finally 28 gram slice of springwater pallasite.All half price thru monday.This will be the final add-on's and email on this sale.So look long and prosper. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] half pricer update on meteorite sale
Instead of that: BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK!!! David H. --- JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! At 08:57 AM 5/24/2005, Meteoryt.net wrote: Let's be more constructive: May someone be so kind to explain Mr.Arnold, Chicago, how to open a yahoo-group? There he could advertise his stuff to the top of his bent to his heart's content and could keep the standings of his sales and giveaways minute-by-minute updated. All, who prefer to buy from him, could suscribe there. Blaine Reed has such a group, Mike Farmer, Rob Elliott, Dean Bessey...so I hope he will see, that this suggestion is not meant to be pejorative. Martin, looks like Steve try to make us happy with his sales/half-sales/giveavay's/ ect. also if we dont like them and I think he will not move from there any centimeter more. So our only hope is to press DEL key -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Here is the price of freedom, your every drop of courage, ounce of pain, pint of blood. Paid in advance. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chondrule size range?
Tom wrote: This meteorite was packed with chondrules but one chondrule stood out, nothing special as far as chondrules go, but it is huge, not huge for a chondrule, but huge for this meteorite! I am wondering how one big chondrule could end up in a meteorite. I have seen pics of other meteo- rites with one large chondrule, but never heard an explanation of why. Or maybe the question should be, why are the others so small? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1287.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1293.jpg Hello Tom and List, It *is* large, almost 5 mm in diameter, and thus almost a *macrochondrule* according to the definition as given by J.C. Bridges and R. Hutchison in their article: BRIDGES J.C. et al. (1997) A survey of clasts and large chondrules in ordinary chondrites (Meteoritics 32-3, 1997, pp. 389-394). Or maybe the question should be, why are the others so small? No, the large ones are the exception to the rule! The above authors state: - Macrochondrules occupy only about 1% (!) of meteorite surfaces - Macrochondrules or clasts were found in about 4% of the 833 ordinary chondrites examined - Evidence for limited chondrule size ranges has been obtained by measuring a set of 62 chondrules spearated from LL chondrites. Using the data set suggests that 99% of chondrules in those meteorites have diameters smaller or equal to 4.1 mm. - The H chondrites, as expected, contain a smaller proportion of large objects than the L and LL chondrites (in other words, H chondrites, on the average have smaller chondrules than L or LL chondrites) [I've] never heard an explanation of why. Oh boy, I hoped you wouldn't ask that question :-) ..nope ... :-( The famous meteoriticist M.K. Weisberg wrote in an abstract: Macrochondrules may have formed in nebular regions: - with greater dust densities - differing dust/gas ratios - and/or: higher electrostatic attraction between particles, ... and he also wrote: macrochondrules may be the result of impact spraying. WEISBERG M.K. et al. (1988) Macrochondrules in ordinary chondrites: Constraints on chondrule-forming processes (Meteoritics 23-3, 1988, A309-310). and, a drum roll, please, for the Gunlock, L3.4 chondrite (some say it's an L3.2): It contains a golfball-sized chondrule which must originally have measured about five centimeters (!) in diameter. Unfortunately, most of it is missing :-( but meteoriticists were able to reconstruct it :-) Best wishes, Bernd P.S.: According to David Weir, a 48-mm ellipsoidal chondrule was found in Djati-Pengilon, an H6 chondrite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Macrochondrules
An additional post: BRIDGES J.C. et al. (1997) A survey of clasts and large chondrules in ordinary chondrites (Meteoritics 32-3, 1997, 389-394) - Some examples of megachondrules: Parnallee, LL3 - 3 mm Bremervörde, H3 - 4 mm Estacado, H6 - 7 mm and 10mm Barratta, L4 - 8 mm Belle Plaine, L6 - 9 mm Bluff, L5 - 10 mm Crumlin, L5 - 11 mm Richardton, H5 - 11 mm De Nova, L6 - 13 mm Hajmah, L5-6 - 18 mm Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
Walter Branch wrote: I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Hello Walter The mechanism for trapping gasses in Martian basalts is not entirely clear. One method that has been proven is implanting during shock events, such as being blasted off Mars. However there are some problems with this as well such as sometimes the gasses are fractionated (Kr/Xe ratio changes for instance). So although impact is likely part of the answer it isn't a clear winner. Another suggestion is fluid (water) transplant, however the gasses mostly reside in the water unaltered portions so this is likely not the answer. Trapping of mantle gasses during cooling has been suggested, but mantle reservoirs of gasses should have different ratios than atmospheric. So the exact mechanism is undetermined. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Yes fragmentation and ablation can affect the results and must be taken into account. Cosmic rays generally penetrate 3-10 meters into asteroidal bodies. Parts buried more than 10 meters or so receive almost no cosmic ray exposure so their CRE age is zero. If depth isn't taken into account a surface sample would show a older CRE than one at 5 meters. One method of determining depth is with Neon isotopes which have been shown to have a constant relationship with burial depth and cosmic ray exposure. So the neon can be used to determine depth and the other elemental isotopes can then be adusted for depth to give the CRE age. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Thanks to anyone who can help me understand these processes. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules
And the most affordable way to obtain a megachondrule is to look for a Saratov, which costs at most dealers not more than 2$/g and as it's very crumbly one can easily isolate the megachondrules. But start now, to be in time for Xmas, if you plan to present your girl a chondrules-necklace Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules An additional post: BRIDGES J.C. et al. (1997) A survey of clasts and large chondrules in ordinary chondrites (Meteoritics 32-3, 1997, 389-394) - Some examples of megachondrules: Parnallee, LL3 - 3 mm Bremervörde, H3 - 4 mm Estacado, H6 - 7 mm and 10mm Barratta, L4 - 8 mm Belle Plaine, L6 - 9 mm Bluff, L5 - 10 mm Crumlin, L5 - 11 mm Richardton, H5 - 11 mm De Nova, L6 - 13 mm Hajmah, L5-6 - 18 mm Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Macrochondrules
Hi, here I have a great sample: A 10 mm chondrule in one of my 869ers www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_0869_238g_A.jpg closeup www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_0869_238g_B.jpg enjoy, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules And the most affordable way to obtain a megachondrule is to look for a Saratov, which costs at most dealers not more than 2$/g and as it's very crumbly one can easily isolate the megachondrules. But start now, to be in time for Xmas, if you plan to present your girl a chondrules-necklace Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules An additional post: BRIDGES J.C. et al. (1997) A survey of clasts and large chondrules in ordinary chondrites (Meteoritics 32-3, 1997, 389-394) - Some examples of megachondrules: Parnallee, LL3 - 3 mm Bremervörde, H3 - 4 mm Estacado, H6 - 7 mm and 10mm Barratta, L4 - 8 mm Belle Plaine, L6 - 9 mm Bluff, L5 - 10 mm Crumlin, L5 - 11 mm Richardton, H5 - 11 mm De Nova, L6 - 13 mm Hajmah, L5-6 - 18 mm Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Macrochondrules, My biggest Chondrule
Hello list, The largest chondrule in my collection (that I am aware of) is 28 x 25 mm. A photograph of it can be viewed here. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnwa791.html That chondrule is visible on the outside of the stone, therefore it could or could have been much bigger. Another interesting chondrule is present on NWA 081. Where the pyroxene seems to flower out from the where the chondrule is. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnwa081.html Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules, My biggest Chondrule
Hello Mark, Christian, and List, Real whoppers, ... your macro- or megachondrules! Another interesting chondrule is present on NWA 081. The pyroxene seems to flower out from where the chondrule is. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnwa081.html That's a very interesting example. This may be a xenolithic clast and the flowering effect my have been caused by the impact of unrelated material into or onto the host meteorite. Reminds me of the lunar Mare Orientale impact basin with its multiple concentric rings. Very beautiful! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Two Questions
Hello Walter, It is my understanding that the gases trapped in the Los Angeles meteorite are mantle-derived. Hard to find references that explain how Martian atmospheric gases differ from mantle-derived gases, but there is a good discussion about gases and water near the end of this web page: http://www.mpch-mainz.mpg.de/~kosmo/members/waenke/opus.htm And there is a section in this paper that has more recent results: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/MSR/MSR.pdf Bob V. - Walter Branch wrote: Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. Indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. +++ -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's Rovers Continue Martian Missions
Dolores Beasley Headquarters, Washington May 24, 2005 (Phone: 202/358-1753) Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. (Phone: 818/354-6278) RELEASE: 05-133 NASA'S ROVERS CONTINUE MARTIAN MISSIONS NASA's Mars rover Opportunity is trying to escape from a sand trap, while its twin, Spirit, has been busy finding new clues to a wet and violent early Martian history. Spirit has finally found the kind of geology you can really sink your teeth into, said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. He is principal investigator for the Mars rovers' science instruments. According to Squyres, multiple layers of rock in the hills Spirit is exploring suggest successive deposits of water-altered explosive debris. Spirit, inside Mars' Gusev Crater, had to share the spotlight with the drama provided by Opportunity on the Martian Meridiani plains. The rover has been hindered by soft sand for nearly three weeks. Traction is difficult in the ripple-shaped dune of windblown dust and sand Opportunity drove into on April 26. Since it began trying to get out, the rover has advanced only 11 inches. Without the slippage caused by the rover's wheels spinning in the soft sand, Opportunity could have driven 157 feet. If Opportunity gets free, its next task will be examining the site to give the rover team a better understanding of how this ripple differs from dozens Opportunity easily crossed, said Jim Erickson. He is project manager for the Mars Exploration Rover Project at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. The rovers have worked under harsh Martian conditions longer than expected. They have been studying geology on opposite sides of Mars for more than a year since successfully completing their three-month primary missions. Shortly after landing in January 2004, Opportunity found layered bedrock bearing geological evidence of a shallow ancient sea. More than one year later, Spirit found extensive layered bedrock, after driving more than two miles and climbing into the Columbia Hills. Squyres said, In the last few weeks, we have gone from a state of confusion about the geology of the Columbia Hills to having real stratigraphic sequence and a powerful working hypothesis for the history of these layers. For several months, Spirit climbed a flank of Husband Hill, the tallest in the range. The slope closely matched the angle of underlying rock layers, which made the layering difficult to detect. Spirit reached an intermediate destination, dubbed Larry's Lookout, then continued uphill and looked back. That was the critical moment, when it all began falling into place, Squyres said. Looking back downhill, you can see the layering, and it suddenly starts to makes sense. Spirit has been examining rocks in a series of outcrops called Methuselah, Jibsheet and Larry's Lookout. Some of the rocks contain the mineral Ilmenite, not found previously by Spirit. Ilmenite is a titanium-iron oxide formed during crystallization of magma, said Dr. Dick Morris, a rover science-team member at NASA's Johnson Space Center, Houston. Its occurrence is evidence for diversity in the volcanic rocks in the Gusev region. Rocks from different layers share compositional traits, high in titanium, and low in chromium, which suggests a shared origin. However, the degree to which minerals in rocks have been chemically altered by exposure to water or other processes varies greatly from outcrop to outcrop. The textures also vary. At Methuselah, rocks have thin laminations revealed by Spirit's microscopic imager. At Jibsheet, they are built of bulbous grains packed together. At Larry's Lookout, the rocks are massive, with little fine-scale structure. Our best hypothesis is we're looking at a stack of ash or debris that was explosively erupted from volcanoes and settled down in different ways, Squyres said. We can't fully rule out the possibility the debris was generated in impact explosions instead of volcanic ones. But we can say, once upon a time, Gusev was a pretty violent place. Big, explosive events were happening, and there was a lot of water around, he explained. Rover-team scientists described the robot explorers' activities today at the spring meetings of the American Geophysical Union in New Orleans. For Images and information about the rovers and their discoveries on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/mer_main.html For information about NASA and agency programs on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD (?) Los Angeles auction
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5083222B Please don't bid on my Mars meteorite auction! I want to give that 3.4g slice to Darryl Pitt so that he can put it up on his I.M.Chait/eBay auction. Probably will go for 3 times my current asking price! ;-) Bob V . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6533643374 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Want AD: Meteorite Jewelry Made by Finder
Hello list, I am interested in buying or trading for meteorite jewelry, pendents preferred, with meteorites that were made by the finder of the meteorite. I think these should be somewhat common as most of us were rock-hounds before we were meteorite-hounds. And rock hounds usually like making jewelry trinklets. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]DELETE meteorite sale update/ (AD)
I too DELETE DELETE DELETE...FOR EVERY ONE HE SENDS OUT DAILY... DF i HOPE IT WORKS TOO!! JKGwilliam wrote: DELETE DELETE DELETE!!! (sure hope this works) JKG At 10:47 AM 5/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I did fail to list what some of my sale items are.There are 2 pieces of SPRINGWATER pallasite,a few main masses,some nice howardites, and a few NWA'S.I will be adding a few more over the next week.View at your liesure. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD; franconia iron on slice Hupe sale
Hello List, I asked if there was anyone interested in my 12.5g slice that has a Franconia iron still attached. A few of you responded, so here is another Franconia Hupe sale I have not sanded this slice, I will if you would like, but some of you don't like them sanded, but it is a great clean cut, with no visible (to the naked eye) saw marks. I will discuss shipping later, it will be as cheap as you want it. : ) Here is a picture of the iron on the side of the slice. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1263.jpg Here is a picture of the entire slice with the edge of the iron showing on the top right. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1305.jpg One mishap, I spent so much time trying to get the cut right on the edge of the iron piece that I forgot to readjust and the slice came out a little uneven, not bad, but it is. : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1310.jpg Here Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD)DELETE half price
Geeze John, maybe SsSTTEEVEEE CCCAANNN III++D heekee iddda.. What a bozO@ CHICAGO MAKES ME SICK OF DELELETETIT JITJDLKDMAD;LFJDLFKJASDO;FKJASD;FLSDJF;LKASDJFL;KDJF;LSDKFJ;SDLKFJASD;LFKJASD;LFKJSD;FLKSDJF JKGwilliam wrote: DELETE delete Delete DelETE dELETE maybe I'm pushing the button the wrong way, JKG At 05:23 PM 5/22/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Everything on my website on my meteorite sale is all half off the prices that are there.Ring 'em up! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Final add on's to meteorite sale
I have no clue who Ssteve is trying to bs on this final issue.final in the Ssteve dictionary means get your deleted key oiled up as he will be bombarding us with more crap... Please stop the madness and take up comic book collecting...do it for the children! JKGwilliam wrote: We know better than to get our hopes up to much as there will more than likely be another sale starting on Tuesday. DELTETE, JKG At 04:05 AM 5/24/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi again list.I added 4 more pieces to my meteorite sale.Huizopa iron,juancheng individual,nwa 1553 slice, and finally 28 gram slice of springwater pallasite.All half price thru monday.This will be the final add-on's and email on this sale.So look long and prosper. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hupe sale!!!
Hey list, Greg and Adam have had online sales, where you can bid by email, very convenient for the ebay haters. I did a sale like it and I think I called it a Hupe like sale because I could not think of a better name or description. This time, being a two finger typer saved my self a few key strokes and just called it a Hupe sale also in the back of my mind, I knew I might have to safe those keystrokes for the delete key! : ) I never thought about it, but Hupe sale might make one think that the Hupes are involved in one of these sales. They are not involved in anyway and I apologize to them both for using their names in my sales. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cheap, new 8 lapidary saws - Lortone
Hello all- I recently bought myself an 8 Lortone and love it. Hours of price hunting brought me to this guy and his price is the best by far..and I got him to knock off $40 so $297 for a brand name 8 saw! Shipping was very reasonable. http://www.bernieslapidary.com/selprod.asp?CAT=LEFBOOK=NO LORTONE MODEL FS6-C FS8-C Accommodates larger slabs than most small saws. Its spacious work table and centered blade make cutting slabs easy. To clean just lift up the table and slide out the removable coolant pan. Includes a vise, clear plastic hood, 1/3 h.p. motor, and 6 x .025 standard blade. Requires 5 quarts coolant. We recommend using oil for best results. Skipping is in three boxes MODEL FS8-C # 056-93 This is the larger version of our proven 6 saw. It is perfect for those desiring the extra capacity of an 8 blade in an easy to clean design. Includes a vise, clear plastic hood, 1/3 h.p. motor and 8 x .032 standard blade. Requires 4 1/2 quarts coolant. We recommend using oil for best results. Shipping wt. 95 lbs. in three boxes.---List Price--495.00---We have more than we want in stock---Will sell two for $337.00--In Stock-- Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
Hi List No comment need here! Except WOW http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItemrd=1item=6529243197 Don't forget the 20 buyers fee Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
not work Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi List No comment need here! Except WOW http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItemrd=1item=6529243197 Don't forget the 20 buyers fee Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules/Saratov
Martin A. wrote: And the most affordable way to obtain a megachondrule is to look for a Saratov, which costs at most dealers not more than 2$/g and as it's very crumbly one can easily isolate the megachondrules. But start now, to be in time for Xmas, if you plan to present your girl a chondrules- necklace. Martin, You may have stumbled upon an opportunity for the bead industry with your shameless ads...when a nanodiamond- or pearl-necklace won't do... Let's see... Since you have that very nice 276g Saratov 1918 witnessed fall slice at $1.70 per gram it might be profitable, especially if someone else is interested in the rest of the grains and micromineral fragments!, A one centimeter in diameter spherical chondrule must weigh very close to 1.67 grams (geek comment: density drops as size increases - a suspicion that the big chondrules are created by a different mechanism than the little ones). I'll give you $3 a gram (Almost double asking price) for some freshly shucked pearly chondrules of diameter 1.00 cm +/- 0.06 cm. For 40 of those chondrules, that would come to 40X1.67X$3= just about US $200. Not shabby at all for such as treasure.Hopefully shucking for chondritic pearls won't becoming viewed as cherry-picking the chondritic cocktail (Saratov Cocktail?). That offer's good until I see a better deal on some menthe or sirops l Springwater:-) http://www.meteorite-martin.de/chondrit_meteorit.html Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cheap, new 8 lapidary saws - Lortone
In regards to the link. I bought the PF-10 Barranca saw 2 months ago. I do not recommend this saw to anyone. The splash cover is poorly designed. Due to the fact that the travel of the autofeed is on the OUTside -- there is a huge gap where oil will splatter out nonstop. The best I could due to stop it is cut an acrylic plate to stop most of the oil splattering out. Second, my motor arrived dying. Overheating after 30 minutes out of the box. Barranca just got bought out by Diamond so support was poor. I give them credit, they did ship me a new motor. Still, the coverdesign is flawed. Maybe I should have bought the Lortone. -mt On 24 May 2005 at 13:01, Rob Wesel wrote: Hello all- I recently bought myself an 8 Lortone and love it. Hours of price hunting brought me to this guy and his price is the best by far..and I got him to knock off $40 so $297 for a brand name 8 saw! Shipping was very reasonable. http://www.bernieslapidary.com/selprod.asp?CAT=LEFBO OK=NO -- McCartneyTaylor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
Try this shorter link http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2FA3322B Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com Hi List No comment need here! Except WOW http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItemrd=1item=6529243197 Don't forget the 20 buyers fee Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Try this shorter link http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2FA3322B Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com Hi List No comment need here! Except WOW http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItemrd=1item=6529243197 Don't forget the 20 buyers fee Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Theory Gets Rocky Ride From Dinosaur Expert
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/050523-2.html Meteor theory gets rocky ride from dinosaur expert Rex Dalton Nature 24 May 2005 US palaeontologist amasses data against Mexican crater hypothesis. The widely held theory that a particular meteorite strike on Mexico wiped out the dinosaurs is under sharp attack, again. The asteroid that created the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico arrived too early to have caused the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction, according to evidence given on 23 May at an American Geophysical Union conference in New Orleans, Louisiana. A team led by palaeontologist Gerta Keller of Princeton University, New Jersey, reported that a sediment core drilled in east Texas emphatically confirms a study that the group released two years ago. Sediments of glass sprayed out by the Chicxulub impact are separated from fossils killed during the mass extinction by a 300,000-year gap, they argue. I believe this is the mortal wound for the Chicxulub theory, says Keller. Scientists should mount a search for the crater left by the meteorite that was really responsible for the mass extinction, she adds. Many geophysicists remain unswayed. Sean Gulick of the University of Texas at Austin doubts the report because it means another huge asteroid must have hit the Earth in the same era, about 65 million years ago. The odds of that are highly unlikely, said Gulick, who chaired the Chicxulub symposium at the conference. However, some sedimentologists are being persuaded by the core specimens. Paul Wignall of the University of Leeds in Britain calls Keller's evidence quite convincing, although he didn't attend the meeting. Original thought Two years ago, Keller stunned a symposium at an American Geophysical Union meeting in Nice, France, with an analysis of a section of a 1,500-metre core drilled in the Yucatan, only 60 kilometres from the Chicxulub crater. The Yucatan core, called Yaxcopoil-1, was the result of an international project designed to provide the most advanced record of events at the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary. But it was beset by strife over access to the core and subsequent interpretations (see 'Hot Tempers, Hard Core http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v425/n6953/full/425013a_fs.html'). Keller claimed the crater preceded mass extinction by 300,000 years[1]. Her critics say the sediment layers she sees are actually rubble from collapsing crater walls. But her team argues that palaeomagnetic dating and minute fossil analysis rules this out. Northern exposure To settle the dispute, Keller drilled 2,000 kilometres north of the crater to get a sedimentary view unaffected by backwash. The Brazos River Valley, Texas, is widely accepted as the best location to check Chicxulub impact debris from afar. In March, three 50-metre-deep holes were drilled near the small town of Rosebud to extract sediment from the time of the mass extinction. From a 2-metre section of the best core, the Keller team charted what they say shows the 300,000-year gap. First, there is a 2 centimetre-thick layer of altered glass called bentonite that is the ejected material from the Chicxulub impact. About 50 centimetres above that lie sediments beds from the tsunami set off by the asteroid. Finally, a full 1.2 metres above these beds, there is the detritus of the mass extinction, represented by fossils of tiny plants and animals that died. The National Science Foundation has given Keller US$40,000 to drill another core in autumn 2006. This one will be on the opposite side of the Chicxulub crater, some 7,800 kilometres south near the city of Recife in Brazil. Keller hopes to find evidence that will finally quiet her critics. References 1. Keller G., et al. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 101. 3753 - 3758 (2004). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
These are normal prices these days for big auction houses who promote the heck out of each and every item. This is not a reflection of eBay prices if you notice most of the bidding was done onsite. When the economy does better high end auctions houses do better, a lot of it is because of more liquid income from stocks. Capital gains from stocks is considered disposable money by most people who bid in these circles. They are looking at more things than just the cost of the item. If they want it, they will bid until they get it. Collectors should be thankful they don't bid on eBay! Take Care, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Try this shorter link http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2FA3322B Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com Hi List No comment need here! Except WOW http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItemrd=1item=6529243 197 Don't forget the 20 buyers fee Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Auctions Ending, NEW Cool R4!
Dear List, Just a quick note to let you know that several auctions are ending in a few hours on several good items, some still at just 99 cents. I also would like to introduce NWA 3146, a new R4 with exotic Mg-rich chondritic clasts in a dominantly R4 type matrix. To see the NWA 3146 specimens and all the other auctions click on the link below and go to see all items for sale by this member. The NWA 3146 specimens will be among the last listed: http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=raremeteorites True bargains can always be found on our ebay auctions because there are never reserves and most items are started out at just 99 cents. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101
--- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Tom, List; Here we go.Get a dark (black felt) non reflective cloth square maybe Tom, Dave, and List; Over the last several years I have been taking lots of photos of various mineral specimens and a few meteorites I would like to pass along some of what I have learned. *Background color makes a difference in attracting buyers on Ebay. *A poor photo is worse than no photo. *Unless you have perfect supermodel's hands keep your thumbs out of the picture. My photo studio is a heavy cardboard box about 2 foot square with the top and front cut out. My background is a swath of fabric draped inside the box and held in place with cloths pins. I went to several fabric stores and bought one yard each of fabric in various shades of the primary colors plus black and Gray. My lighting is two 150W halogen work lights clamped to the top sides of the box. I don't remember the wavelength but somewhere I read that halogen light is good for color photography. It works for me and I can't imagine waiting for outside light conditions to be just right. I bought my lights from The Home Depot for about $10.00 each and they come with a sturdy clamp and pivoting head for adjusting the angle. Two lights eliminate the shadow but still allow for depth. The concave shapeless area with drapes and folds from the cloth in the box draws the eye of the viewer to stone in the center. By putting a small stand under the stone you can make it appear to float on air against the background. Experimenting with this set up, I have found that different color backgrounds will bring out patterns and details in the subject stone. The background cloth reflects it's color onto the subject just enough to enhance the contrast and bring out the detail. This is the most dramatic in material with highly reflective areas adjoining duller areas, like metal flakes in meteorites. By experimenting with a variety of different color cloths and moving the lighting around you can take a lot of pictures and get that one that really sets off your subject. Ebay buyers are drawn in by the gallery picture. If that half inch square picture in the left hand column doesn't grab their attention they may go right past your auction. Make that picture stand out. My limited experience is that bright red or bright blue backgrounds work. When you are done just fold up your fabric, unplug your lights and store everything in the box. Art Brasher __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules/Saratov
Oddly enough I recently did this with a friable NWA. Approximately 100 grams was pulverized, separated, softened with 99% IPA, dried, and combed over painstakingly with a small paintbrush. Small chunks of matrix are hard to tell apart from the chondrules given the business of all the debris..eyes tend to go blind after a short time. Each chondrule was isolated then further cleaned of matrix, in all about eight hours work getting these puppies cleaned. http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/chondrules.htm Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
My brain is in ruin, I laugh too hard DF Michael Farmer wrote: Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101
Thank you very much, I will save this one for future reference..come this fall. Best, Dave F. thornysahuaro wrote: --- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Tom, List; Here we go.Get a dark (black felt) non reflective cloth square maybe Tom, Dave, and List; Over the last several years I have been taking lots of photos of various mineral specimens and a few meteorites I would like to pass along some of what I have learned. *Background color makes a difference in attracting buyers on Ebay. *A poor photo is worse than no photo. *Unless you have perfect supermodel's hands keep your thumbs out of the picture. My photo studio is a heavy cardboard box about 2 foot square with the top and front cut out. My background is a swath of fabric draped inside the box and held in place with cloths pins. I went to several fabric stores and bought one yard each of fabric in various shades of the primary colors plus black and Gray. My lighting is two 150W halogen work lights clamped to the top sides of the box. I don't remember the wavelength but somewhere I read that halogen light is good for color photography. It works for me and I can't imagine waiting for outside light conditions to be just right. I bought my lights from The Home Depot for about $10.00 each and they come with a sturdy clamp and pivoting head for adjusting the angle. Two lights eliminate the shadow but still allow for depth. The concave shapeless area with drapes and folds from the cloth in the box draws the eye of the viewer to stone in the center. By putting a small stand under the stone you can make it appear to float on air against the background. Experimenting with this set up, I have found that different color backgrounds will bring out patterns and details in the subject stone. The background cloth reflects it's color onto the subject just enough to enhance the contrast and bring out the detail. This is the most dramatic in material with highly reflective areas adjoining duller areas, like metal flakes in meteorites. By experimenting with a variety of different color cloths and moving the lighting around you can take a lot of pictures and get that one that really sets off your subject. Ebay buyers are drawn in by the gallery picture. If that half inch square picture in the left hand column doesn't grab their attention they may go right past your auction. Make that picture stand out. My limited experience is that bright red or bright blue backgrounds work. When you are done just fold up your fabric, unplug your lights and store everything in the box. Art Brasher __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] H7 vs. PAC
Hello Adam (and Team LunarRock), I noticed that you have an ebay auction with the following classification information: NWA 3145 Rare H7 Primitive Achondrite Meteorite Just one week ago Jeff Grossman addressed the issue of H7 vs. PAC on the List. Here is his conclusion regarding this issue: Type 7 chondrites (if you want to call highly metamorphosed type 6 chondrites by this name) are NOT primitive achondrites, never having been partially melted. I inferred from his descriptions of type 7, PAC, and IMB, that the use of the Van Schmus-Wood classification scheme was not valid when a partial melt occurred, but instead, the meteorite would be either an impact melt breccia (or just impact melt), or a primitive achondrite if the heating was endogenous. This meteorite NWA 3145 is listed in the MetBull Preview as a PAC, with no reference to H7. According to the MetBull, it's likely paired to NWA 2353 and 2635, which are both ungrouped PACs with O-isotopes that plot slightly outside the range of the H chondrite PB. Granted, Ted initially considered a classification of H7 for these paired meteorites, but since the O-isotopes were completed, it has been modified. Therefore, having nothing better to do, I find it curious why you call this an H7 PAC - can't we all get on the same page with this terminology? The full text of Jeff's post is pasted below if anyone didn't read it. David - Petrological type 7 is generally taken to be an extension of the solid-state metamorphic sequence defined by Van Schmus and Wood (1967). Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (2001, Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 36, no. 3, p. 439-457) endorsed this concept and specifically excluded from type 7 impact melt breccias and other meteorites where there was partial melting caused by impact heating. Primitive achondrites are meteorites that have near-chondritic compositions and nonchondritic textures (work of Prinz, McCoy, and others). They have experienced partial melting and, usually, melt segregation, resulting in the deviations in composition from those of their parent chondrites. Type 7 chondrites (if you want to call highly metamorphosed type 6 chondrites by this name) are NOT primitive achondrites, never having been partially melted. Impact melt breccias, of course, are meteorites in which shock causes partial melting and mixing of chondritic debris with the melt. Ruzicka et al. conclude that PV was essentially a type 6 chondrite near its peak metamorphic temperature, when a light shock event raised the temperature just enough to cause partial melting and mobilize the metal. Thus PV is an IMB and NOT a type 7. Why did Ruzicka reach the conclusion he did? Probably because there is lots of gray area caused by model-dependency of some of these terms. Some people believe that melting in PACs was caused by impact processing, while others (I'd say the majority) think the heat source is internal. If impacts played a role in their formation, then the line between IMB and PAC gets fuzzy at some point. If they didn't play a role, then I suppose type 7 would transition into PAC once partial melting begins. But I don't see any way to confuse type 7 (no melt) with IMB (contains melt). Science plods on. Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules/Saratov
Acquittal - Judge Doug! The Saratov was sold long time ago and I don't have any other forsale. My homepage is many years old, I never found time to renew it (and had not the feeling to do so, as most of my pieces I distribute directely to the collectors from whose I know, that they might interested in). Cheers! Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules/Saratov Martin A. wrote: And the most affordable way to obtain a megachondrule is to look for a Saratov, which costs at most dealers not more than 2$/g and as it's very crumbly one can easily isolate the megachondrules. But start now, to be in time for Xmas, if you plan to present your girl a chondrules- necklace. Martin, You may have stumbled upon an opportunity for the bead industry with your shameless ads...when a nanodiamond- or pearl-necklace won't do... Let's see... Since you have that very nice 276g Saratov 1918 witnessed fall slice at $1.70 per gram it might be profitable, especially if someone else is interested in the rest of the grains and micromineral fragments!, A one centimeter in diameter spherical chondrule must weigh very close to 1.67 grams (geek comment: density drops as size increases - a suspicion that the big chondrules are created by a different mechanism than the little ones). I'll give you $3 a gram (Almost double asking price) for some freshly shucked pearly chondrules of diameter 1.00 cm +/- 0.06 cm. For 40 of those chondrules, that would come to 40X1.67X$3= just about US $200. Not shabby at all for such as treasure.Hopefully shucking for chondritic pearls won't becoming viewed as cherry-picking the chondritic cocktail (Saratov Cocktail?). That offer's good until I see a better deal on some menthe or sirops l Springwater:-) http://www.meteorite-martin.de/chondrit_meteorit.html Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules/Saratov
With Bjurbole it works best like this: Put a fragment in a plastic display box, fix and pack it the best you can. Wrap it into paper, put it in a padded envelope and send it around with german post. The addressee will recieve a heap of dust with the isolated chondrules swimming on top. But the chondrules in Bjurbole aren't very large. I didn't try it with Saratov yet, but I guess, the larger the specimen, the farer you should send it. Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules/Saratov Oddly enough I recently did this with a friable NWA. Approximately 100 grams was pulverized, separated, softened with 99% IPA, dried, and combed over painstakingly with a small paintbrush. Small chunks of matrix are hard to tell apart from the chondrules given the business of all the debris..eyes tend to go blind after a short time. Each chondrule was isolated then further cleaned of matrix, in all about eight hours work getting these puppies cleaned. http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/chondrules.htm Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Theory Gets Rocky Ride From Dinosaur Expert
Hi, As all us Chicxulub controversy fans know, Keller's conclusions are criticized by a lot of other Chicxulub investigators. It wouldn't be called a controversy otherwise, now would it? This one seems to be particularly hot. There is detectable emotion in it, glaring right through the scientific detachment. For my fellow Chicxulub fans, I recommend the following website by one of her her chiefest critics: http://www.geo.vu.nl/~smit/csdp/debates.htm Not only is it blunt and refreshingly direct, but it contains a lot of data. Take that famous core about which so much argument is expended. It all seems pretty abstract to me, with no idea of what such a core looks like. This site links to a giant photo page where you can look through that core in great detail. Great presentation. The site also details the human controversy, paper by paper, speech by speech, with links to all of them, and there is a solid criticism of the news coverage of this controversy, too. Don't mistake me, this is not a balanced presentation -- this is the other side of the argument. But it's both impressive and entertaining. In fact, it looks more like a news webpage than the usual scientific page. Myself, I don't see how a time delay between the impact and the extinction proves that the rock didn't do it. Now, if you could prove that the dinos disappeared before the rock arrived, that would be different kettle of saurians! Of course, the critics say that it is Keller's age estimate (300,000 years) that is in error, not the existence or thickness of the layer. Dating by sedimentation rate is notoriously tricky. If this website is right, it's not the only mistake she's made. Chicxulub fans, take a look at it if you haven't seen it before. Sterling K. Webb -- Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/050523-2.html Meteor theory gets rocky ride from dinosaur expert Rex Dalton Nature 24 May 2005 US palaeontologist amasses data against Mexican crater hypothesis. The widely held theory that a particular meteorite strike on Mexico wiped out the dinosaurs is under sharp attack, again. The asteroid that created the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico arrived too early to have caused the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction, according to evidence given on 23 May at an American Geophysical Union conference in New Orleans, Louisiana. A team led by palaeontologist Gerta Keller of Princeton University, New Jersey, reported that a sediment core drilled in east Texas emphatically confirms a study that the group released two years ago. Sediments of glass sprayed out by the Chicxulub impact are separated from fossils killed during the mass extinction by a 300,000-year gap, they argue. I believe this is the mortal wound for the Chicxulub theory, says Keller. Scientists should mount a search for the crater left by the meteorite that was really responsible for the mass extinction, she adds. Many geophysicists remain unswayed. Sean Gulick of the University of Texas at Austin doubts the report because it means another huge asteroid must have hit the Earth in the same era, about 65 million years ago. The odds of that are highly unlikely, said Gulick, who chaired the Chicxulub symposium at the conference. However, some sedimentologists are being persuaded by the core specimens. Paul Wignall of the University of Leeds in Britain calls Keller's evidence quite convincing, although he didn't attend the meeting. Original thought Two years ago, Keller stunned a symposium at an American Geophysical Union meeting in Nice, France, with an analysis of a section of a 1,500-metre core drilled in the Yucatan, only 60 kilometres from the Chicxulub crater. The Yucatan core, called Yaxcopoil-1, was the result of an international project designed to provide the most advanced record of events at the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary. But it was beset by strife over access to the core and subsequent interpretations (see 'Hot Tempers, Hard Core http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v425/n6953/full/425013a_fs.html'). Keller claimed the crater preceded mass extinction by 300,000 years[1]. Her critics say the sediment layers she sees are actually rubble from collapsing crater walls. But her team argues that palaeomagnetic dating and minute fossil analysis rules this out. Northern exposure To settle the dispute, Keller drilled 2,000 kilometres north of the crater to get a sedimentary view unaffected by backwash. The Brazos River Valley, Texas, is widely accepted as the best location to check Chicxulub impact debris from afar. In March, three 50-metre-deep holes were drilled near the small town of Rosebud to extract sediment from the time of the mass extinction. From a 2-metre section of the best core, the Keller team charted what they say shows
[meteorite-list] New Rare type of Winonaite!
Hi everyone, I am proud to announce a meteorite I have been waiting a long time to announce. It is NWA 2627, a new Winonaite (anom). We thought for a long time that it was a Lodranite, and the composition and mineralogy suggest that, the oxygen isotopes plot it in the Winonaite field. Very rare meteorite, a must for type collectors, and very small stone of only 68 grams was found! See it here. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/nwa2627.htm Thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Unclassified Offering 1kg and 500g Lots
Dear list members, For those of you who are interested in uncut, unclassified Saharan meteoritic material, I have just put on eBay 20 lots, 10 at 1 kilo and 10 more at 500 grams each. They all have low start and/or Buy it Now prices. These you will find under my seller name, naturesvault. They are listed with either of these two headings, along with bin number, 1 Kilo Unclassified Meteorite Uncut/Unsorted 500g Unclassified Meteorite Uncut/Unsorted I will be offering these lots over the next few weeks until I run out so if you are interested, check weekly for items offered by seller naturesvault. As usual, I will continue to offer some new rare or otherwise material every week. To see these, go to eBay and search for items by seller naturesvault. Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
Hi Walter, Eric and List, Would Martian Tectonic forces ie. subduction, be a possible mechanism to trap and transport atmospheric gases into the bowels of the planet, later to be be contained in a magma chamber? Just an odd thought. Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions Walter Branch wrote: I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Hello Walter The mechanism for trapping gasses in Martian basalts is not entirely clear. One method that has been proven is implanting during shock events, such as being blasted off Mars. However there are some problems with this as well such as sometimes the gasses are fractionated (Kr/Xe ratio changes for instance). So although impact is likely part of the answer it isn't a clear winner. Another suggestion is fluid (water) transplant, however the gasses mostly reside in the water unaltered portions so this is likely not the answer. Trapping of mantle gasses during cooling has been suggested, but mantle reservoirs of gasses should have different ratios than atmospheric. So the exact mechanism is undetermined. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Yes fragmentation and ablation can affect the results and must be taken into account. Cosmic rays generally penetrate 3-10 meters into asteroidal bodies. Parts buried more than 10 meters or so receive almost no cosmic ray exposure so their CRE age is zero. If depth isn't taken into account a surface sample would show a older CRE than one at 5 meters. One method of determining depth is with Neon isotopes which have been shown to have a constant relationship with burial depth and cosmic ray exposure. So the neon can be used to determine depth and the other elemental isotopes can then be adusted for depth to give the CRE age. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Thanks to anyone who can help me understand these processes. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules
I for one have been looking for a 10 or 20 gram Saratov without luck? Any one interested? Jerry - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules And the most affordable way to obtain a megachondrule is to look for a Saratov, which costs at most dealers not more than 2$/g and as it's very crumbly one can easily isolate the megachondrules. But start now, to be in time for Xmas, if you plan to present your girl a chondrules-necklace Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Macrochondrules An additional post: BRIDGES J.C. et al. (1997) A survey of clasts and large chondrules in ordinary chondrites (Meteoritics 32-3, 1997, 389-394) - Some examples of megachondrules: Parnallee, LL3 - 3 mm Bremervörde, H3 - 4 mm Estacado, H6 - 7 mm and 10mm Barratta, L4 - 8 mm Belle Plaine, L6 - 9 mm Bluff, L5 - 10 mm Crumlin, L5 - 11 mm Richardton, H5 - 11 mm De Nova, L6 - 13 mm Hajmah, L5-6 - 18 mm Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
No, there is no evidence of plate techtonics on Mars and therefor no subduction. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Hi Walter, Eric and List, Would Martian Tectonic forces ie. subduction, be a possible mechanism to trap and transport atmospheric gases into the bowels of the planet, later to be be contained in a magma chamber? Just an odd thought. Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions Walter Branch wrote: I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Hello Walter The mechanism for trapping gasses in Martian basalts is not entirely clear. One method that has been proven is implanting during shock events, such as being blasted off Mars. However there are some problems with this as well such as sometimes the gasses are fractionated (Kr/Xe ratio changes for instance). So although impact is likely part of the answer it isn't a clear winner. Another suggestion is fluid (water) transplant, however the gasses mostly reside in the water unaltered portions so this is likely not the answer. Trapping of mantle gasses during cooling has been suggested, but mantle reservoirs of gasses should have different ratios than atmospheric. So the exact mechanism is undetermined. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Yes fragmentation and ablation can affect the results and must be taken into account. Cosmic rays generally penetrate 3-10 meters into asteroidal bodies. Parts buried more than 10 meters or so receive almost no cosmic ray exposure so their CRE age is zero. If depth isn't taken into account a surface sample would show a older CRE than one at 5 meters. One method of determining depth is with Neon isotopes which have been shown to have a constant relationship with burial depth and cosmic ray exposure. So the neon can be used to determine depth and the other elemental isotopes can then be adusted for depth to give the CRE age. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Thanks to anyone who can help me understand these processes. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
Hi Eric and List Its my understanding that an atmosphere is created as much by volcanism as anything else (gravity attracting the gases along with the denser matter which makes up a globe, ect). Via volcanoes, gases like H2 O ,SO2 ,CO2 are all generated during volcanism and found in atmospheres, so finding them in mantle rock isn't such a hard thing to consider. Mark Ferguson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions No, there is no evidence of plate techtonics on Mars and therefor no subduction. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Hi Walter, Eric and List, Would Martian Tectonic forces ie. subduction, be a possible mechanism to trap and transport atmospheric gases into the bowels of the planet, later to be be contained in a magma chamber? Just an odd thought. Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions Walter Branch wrote: I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Hello Walter The mechanism for trapping gasses in Martian basalts is not entirely clear. One method that has been proven is implanting during shock events, such as being blasted off Mars. However there are some problems with this as well such as sometimes the gasses are fractionated (Kr/Xe ratio changes for instance). So although impact is likely part of the answer it isn't a clear winner. Another suggestion is fluid (water) transplant, however the gasses mostly reside in the water unaltered portions so this is likely not the answer. Trapping of mantle gasses during cooling has been suggested, but mantle reservoirs of gasses should have different ratios than atmospheric. So the exact mechanism is undetermined. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Yes fragmentation and ablation can affect the results and must be taken into account. Cosmic rays generally penetrate 3-10 meters into asteroidal bodies. Parts buried more than 10 meters or so receive almost no cosmic ray exposure so their CRE age is zero. If depth isn't taken into account a surface sample would show a older CRE than one at 5 meters. One method of determining depth is with Neon isotopes which have been shown to have a constant relationship with burial depth and cosmic ray exposure. So the neon can be used to determine depth and the other elemental isotopes can then be adusted for depth to give the CRE age. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Thanks to anyone who can help me understand these processes. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
How about water circulating in areas with hydrothermal activity. That should be able to drag atmospheric gases into the crust. With all the evidence of a wetter past for Mars I think it should be one alternative to concider. On Earth we have areas with magnesium metasomatose (spelling?) where seawater containing magnesium is drawn down into the seafloor and replacing iron in the minerals, creating magnesite, talc and serpentinite out of olivine and other minerals. It would take a lot of seawater to circulate to create the serpentinite mountains we have here in Sweden. /Göran MarkF wrote: Hi Eric and List Its my understanding that an atmosphere is created as much by volcanism as anything else (gravity attracting the gases along with the denser matter which makes up a globe, ect). Via volcanoes, gases like H2 O ,SO2 ,CO2 are all generated during volcanism and found in atmospheres, so finding them in mantle rock isn't such a hard thing to consider. Mark Ferguson __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions
Yet?!? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions No, there is no evidence of plate techtonics on Mars and therefor no subduction. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Hi Walter, Eric and List, Would Martian Tectonic forces ie. subduction, be a possible mechanism to trap and transport atmospheric gases into the bowels of the planet, later to be be contained in a magma chamber? Just an odd thought. Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Questions Walter Branch wrote: I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Hello Walter The mechanism for trapping gasses in Martian basalts is not entirely clear. One method that has been proven is implanting during shock events, such as being blasted off Mars. However there are some problems with this as well such as sometimes the gasses are fractionated (Kr/Xe ratio changes for instance). So although impact is likely part of the answer it isn't a clear winner. Another suggestion is fluid (water) transplant, however the gasses mostly reside in the water unaltered portions so this is likely not the answer. Trapping of mantle gasses during cooling has been suggested, but mantle reservoirs of gasses should have different ratios than atmospheric. So the exact mechanism is undetermined. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Yes fragmentation and ablation can affect the results and must be taken into account. Cosmic rays generally penetrate 3-10 meters into asteroidal bodies. Parts buried more than 10 meters or so receive almost no cosmic ray exposure so their CRE age is zero. If depth isn't taken into account a surface sample would show a older CRE than one at 5 meters. One method of determining depth is with Neon isotopes which have been shown to have a constant relationship with burial depth and cosmic ray exposure. So the neon can be used to determine depth and the other elemental isotopes can then be adusted for depth to give the CRE age. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Second try at posting this email: Hello Everyone, I been researching but I can't find the answers to two questions. First, what is the mechanism by which atmospheric gasses are trapped in the formation of basalts? I have been doing some lit reviews on martian meteorites and I find it interesting that some were formed in magma chambers deep undergound. indeed, some are thought to have formed several kilometers down. How does the Martian atmosphere get trapped in cooling rock so far underground. Second, when determining Cosmic Ray Exposure ages, can atmospheric fragmentation and ablation of a meteoroid affect the results from such testing and if so, how are fragmentation and ablation taken into consideration when determiniing CREs? Thanks to anyone who can help me understand these processes. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
Hi list.For all you naysayers, you can delete this like you delete everthing else.I have a new picture of my remaining springwater piece on my website.It is the 28 gra, slice.The other 3 are gone.But of course there are alot more forsale than this.Go for it! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad, some items already sold for one cent!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6534421113 Here is another one, still only one cent! Some people have bought $10 and $20 meteorites already tonight for one cent. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunters __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
SSSTTEEYYY, MY MAIN MAN! Naysayer #1 here. One question Grande Stormbringer: How come the home page picture of you in hot pants, slippers, state trooper shades, and the 0 muscle shirt is IN FOCUS (you meteoritic studmuffin you!), but the meteorites you are trying to sell are completely OUT OF FOCUS? HmmOur list friend MeteoritePolice once said your out of focus meteorite pics on Ebay and your website looked like a turd as photographed through a coke bottle. I believe the technical photographic term is operator errorThe secrets to your amazing meteoritic marketing mind (a true meteorite savant!) MUST be shared with the list for our benefit..Your competitors are flexing and getting their muscle shirts readyPLEASE HURRY! Terry StarMeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
Could it all really be a unique marketing ploy? JKG At 07:06 PM 5/24/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSSTTEEYYY, MY MAIN MAN! Naysayer #1 here. One question Grande Stormbringer: How come the home page picture of you in hot pants, slippers, state trooper shades, and the 0 muscle shirt is IN FOCUS (you meteoritic studmuffin you!), but the meteorites you are trying to sell are completely OUT OF FOCUS? HmmOur list friend MeteoritePolice once said your out of focus meteorite pics on Ebay and your website looked like a turd as photographed through a coke bottle. I believe the technical photographic term is operator errorThe secrets to your amazing meteoritic marketing mind (a true meteorite savant!) MUST be shared with the list for our benefit..Your competitors are flexing and getting their muscle shirts readyPLEASE HURRY! Terry StarMeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Klingon
Hi All, I gave a pile of meteorite papers to a Klingon in Tucson. Is there someone out there who might be able to shed some light on where those papers are now? Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Klingon
I know one in Elgin Illinois ;-) Terry StarMeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
May I enter the contest? Wyomingstudmuffin' Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSSTTEEYYY, MY MAIN MAN! Naysayer #1 here. One question Grande Stormbringer: How come the home page picture of you in hot pants, slippers, state trooper shades, and the 0 muscle shirt is IN FOCUS (you meteoritic studmuffin you!), but the meteorites you are trying to sell are completely OUT OF FOCUS? HmmOur list friend MeteoritePolice once said your out of focus meteorite pics on Ebay and your website looked like a turd as photographed through a coke bottle. I believe the technical photographic term is operator errorThe secrets to your amazing meteoritic marketing mind (a true meteorite savant!) MUST be shared with the list for our benefit..Your competitors are flexing and getting their muscle shirts readyPLEASE HURRY! Terry StarMeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
Interesting 28g slice of Springwater... may 21 : Full price at 400$ may 23 : Half price sale, not in the list may 24 : Half price sale, still no 28g may 25 : Half price sale, Full price 1000$ = effective price 500$ That is what I call a rebate! ... and I don't think that's the last we heard of it... /Göran Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.For all you naysayers, you can delete this like you delete everthing else.I have a new picture of my remaining springwater piece on my website.It is the 28 gra, slice.The other 3 are gone.But of course there are alot more forsale than this.Go for it! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: TITAN MOVIE
Hi, This post has almost nothing to do with current list topics, no eBay sales, no chondrules, and no Klingons (unless they have an outpost on Saturn's moon Titan), so as long as the OnTopic topics are such stuff, I'm going to post an OffTopic topic. ESA put all the raw imagery from the Huygens descent up on their website (also NASA and UofA) for all to see, but it will be months and months before we see processed images. There are the images taken with a 660nm-1000nm filter, with the DISR (Descent Imager / Spectral Radiometer) experiment on board Huygens during descent and after touch down on Titan. But of course, there are lots of people who don't like waiting for months and months for processed images, so a variety of individuals have started in processing the data themselves. It's sort of turned into a Titan OpenSource Image Project! Here is a website that has discussion of the images and the processing and links to many processed images: http://anthony.liekens.net/index.php/Main/Huygens There are many very well done stitched panoramas and colorized versions. There's one guy that has converted the radar altimeter data into a 3D model of terrain and texturized it. All kinds of fascinating stuff, if this is the stuff that fascinates you. Far down this page there is a link to an animated GIF of the landing site photos. Well, I thought that was pretty silly. I'd been to the ESA site and paged through hundred of shots taken after the lander landed, and it's the same picture over and over and over again. Why would anybody animate it? But I downloaded it (it's pretty big) anyway, watched the movie, and you know what? There's things going on in that movie. At first, I thought they were registration mistakes, so I loaded it into a GIF movie editor and checked. The images are perfectly registered, so there is some kind of activity on the surface of Titan so subdued you'd never notice the small changes from one frame to another. I assume it's weather. Since the photos cover a long time period, it's like a stop action movie, as if you were taking a series of pictures of a slow process like a flower opening, which we'll all seen. It's hard to describe. For example, there two places where a rock (probably ice) suddenly acquires a light patch which seems to slip off the rock to one side. Is that methane slush falling on the ice-rock, melting, and sliding off? Things (meaning changes of grayscale) slither around on the ground, in channels. Is that running methane? Many of the rocks change their spots as the movie progresses. There are all kinds of things going on in there. I'm still watching it... At any rate, it was fascinating to me that these exciting (because they exist) but dull gray pictures suddenly become the experience of sitting at a table in your home watching on a computer screen a movie of the weather on another planet! (OK, ok, it's a moon, but it's a biggie!) You want the Weather Channel for where? Here's the url of the movie: http://www.mars.asu.edu/~gorelick/huygens1.gif There are dozens of other neat images on this site, too, of course. And here's another site with more Titan images and links to still more: http://www.beugungsbild.de/huygens/huygens.html And, as a footnote, let me advise you against visiting the ESA site. It hands you a killer tracker cookie that I find highly suspicious. It was in my computer for about 8 hours before I discovered it had called home 53 times already, presumably reporting every URL I had visited to some nasty minded little server somewhere. I consider that ill-mannered behavior and ungenteel to boot, and that's why I shot it dead between the eyes, pardner. My spyware called it a high risk bastid, and that's why I done it, he said, blowing the smoke out of the barrel of his six-shooter... As near as I can tell, the Weather Channel doesn't cover Titan... Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT:Chinese impact or tektite researchers please contact me I have some news
Dear List, Anyone planning to do research on tektites or impact in China please contact me. I can save you some time and money. Thank you, Dirk Ross...Gobi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
He pulled a Cottinham! Shame on you Steve. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater Interesting 28g slice of Springwater... may 21 : Full price at 400$ may 23 : Half price sale, not in the list may 24 : Half price sale, still no 28g may 25 : Half price sale, Full price 1000$ = effective price 500$ That is what I call a rebate! ... and I don't think that's the last we heard of it... /Göran Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.For all you naysayers, you can delete this like you delete everthing else.I have a new picture of my remaining springwater piece on my website.It is the 28 gra, slice.The other 3 are gone.But of course there are alot more forsale than this.Go for it! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
Well, he has already lost his IMCA member ship for fictious practices, varmints don't change spots sometimes. Double shame! Does this count as a new starting anniversary for IMCA guidelines of being honorable? Ssteev Sssooppp theee insanit! df Rob Wesel wrote: He pulled a Cottinham! Shame on you Steve. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater Interesting 28g slice of Springwater... may 21 : Full price at 400$ may 23 : Half price sale, not in the list may 24 : Half price sale, still no 28g may 25 : Half price sale, Full price 1000$ = effective price 500$ That is what I call a rebate! ... and I don't think that's the last we heard of it... /Göran Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.For all you naysayers, you can delete this like you delete everthing else.I have a new picture of my remaining springwater piece on my website.It is the 28 gra, slice.The other 3 are gone.But of course there are alot more forsale than this.Go for it! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Springwater Sale Scam...Oh My!
Earlier this evening, someone sent me the following message concerning Windy Steve's ongoing, never-ending sale. ** Someone else wrote: Did you notice the fluctuations in the price of the Springwater pieces? The first 4 were at about $18/g, then half price so about $9/g But that last one he just put up is $1000 for 28g, so almost $36/g; but since he says everything is half-price, that makes it almost $18/g. Back to square one! *** Wish I could take the credit for this breaking news, but several of you beat me to it. This is simply a simpleton's version of the Silver City Sale Scam that we've seen in the past. Call it what you want, but it's a confidence scam to make people think their getting a 50% discount on a sale item. But, the seller has jacked the price up to 200% of the original asking price, so there is no real 50% off...just a rip-off. Result? The seller gets his full asking price and the buyer gets burned. Of course, this could be an honest mistake on Steve's part ... .. Okay, forget I said that. Or, maybe, the last piece of Springwater could be priced this high because it comes with a picture! Not buying the bait-and-switch tactic, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
no, I cry for the prices you put on ebay Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) new pic of springwater
next its free springwater Matteo --- Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Interesting 28g slice of Springwater... may 21 : Full price at 400$ may 23 : Half price sale, not in the list may 24 : Half price sale, still no 28g may 25 : Half price sale, Full price 1000$ = effective price 500$ That is what I call a rebate! ... and I don't think that's the last we heard of it... /Göran Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.For all you naysayers, you can delete this like you delete everthing else.I have a new picture of my remaining springwater piece on my website.It is the 28 gra, slice.The other 3 are gone.But of course there are alot more forsale than this.Go for it! steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
A, booo ho. Little Italian baby cant handle serious competition? He wants you all to pay his prices. too bad, so sad, I like the thrill of the auction, where buyers sometimes win, and sellers sometimes win. Mike By the way, the more you cry, the more I am going to poke you now. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin no, I cry for the prices you put on ebay Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
strange for you I sale the same material with my normaly pricesgo to your blog and look what say of you and your prices on ebay... --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: A, booo ho. Little Italian baby cant handle serious competition? He wants you all to pay his prices. too bad, so sad, I like the thrill of the auction, where buyers sometimes win, and sellers sometimes win. Mike By the way, the more you cry, the more I am going to poke you now. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin no, I cry for the prices you put on ebay Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin
Matteo, You are now telling all the world and all your customers that they should buy from you at your high prices, not from me and my low prices. Good job, keep saying it, makes you look even dumber. See you in Italy in a couple of weeks, payback will be alot of fun - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin strange for you I sale the same material with my normaly pricesgo to your blog and look what say of you and your prices on ebay... --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: A, booo ho. Little Italian baby cant handle serious competition? He wants you all to pay his prices. too bad, so sad, I like the thrill of the auction, where buyers sometimes win, and sellers sometimes win. Mike By the way, the more you cry, the more I am going to poke you now. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin no, I cry for the prices you put on ebay Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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103 time you say the same wordsprobably you like the italian jail --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, You are now telling all the world and all your customers that they should buy from you at your high prices, not from me and my low prices. Good job, keep saying it, makes you look even dumber. See you in Italy in a couple of weeks, payback will be alot of fun - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin strange for you I sale the same material with my normaly pricesgo to your blog and look what say of you and your prices on ebay... --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: A, booo ho. Little Italian baby cant handle serious competition? He wants you all to pay his prices. too bad, so sad, I like the thrill of the auction, where buyers sometimes win, and sellers sometimes win. Mike By the way, the more you cry, the more I am going to poke you now. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin no, I cry for the prices you put on ebay Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Matteo, are you crying again? I thought you have moaned and cried like a two year old for the last several years at low prices. Then when someone actully sells for high prices, you moan some more. I suggest midol or vagisil for your problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Re: Market is in ruin Hello Matteo, Mike, and List, This is persons not know the marketwhen NWA 482 is go sold for this prices? Matteo Back in 2001 when I got my 0.07-gram piece with an interesting glass-lined pocket, NWA 482 officially sold for $5000 per gram. I had to pay less for this little beauty. Again, thanks to the list member who then sold it to me at a much more attractive price. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
