Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Martin packs his trunk - 70 falls to leaveyour lover
See you there Martin, and all of you who will make it there! The Meteoriteshow Team (2 people, the minimum for a team!) will be waiting for you there ready to share the good atmosphere of this great event and of course to show you some new slices of our finds and also some more... I still have to pack, so good bye all the best! Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Martin packs his trunk - 70 falls to leaveyour lover Hola list, Buckleboo packs his bags for Ensisheim - wanna have a look in Little Red Riding Hood's basket? It's a pity, that so many of you can't join the show - well, I'm sitting here, packing, perhaps someone, of those, who have to stay at home will shout: Me, me - ease the weight of your bags!! Falls I have: Alfianello, Allende, Allegan, Barwell, Baszkowka, Bensour, Bereba, Bilanga, Bjurble, Bovedy, Chiang Khan, Dhurmsala, Dong Ujimquin Qi, Eichstdt, Elbogen, Elenovka, El Hammami, Gao-Guenie, Holbrook, Ishinga, Jilin, Johnstown, Juancheng, Kabo, Kainsaz, Karatu, Karoonda, Kermichel, Kilabo, Kunashak, Kunya-Urgench, La Criolla, Lampiayrie, Leedey, Malampaka, Menow, Monroe, Monze, Mount Tazerzait, Mount Vernon, Murray, Neuschwanstein, New Halfa, Nuevo Mercurio, Ochansk, Ohaba, Oum Dreyga, Ourique, Park Forest, Pultusk, Queen's Mercy, Ramsdorf, Rupota, Saint-Severin, Saratov, Shergotty, Sikhote-Alin, Tatahouine, Tauti, Tenham, Thuate, Tomakovka, Tsarev, Tugalin-Bulen, Tuxtuac, Udei Station, Vigarano, Vengerovo, Weston, Wuan, Zag, Zagami, Zaklodzie Non-Fall-Names: Brahin, Canyon Diablo, Chinga, Cole Creek, Coomandook, Dalgaranga, Gibeon, Gold Basin, Henbury, Huckitta, Imilac, Korra Korrabes, Markovka, Morasko, Mundrabilla, Richfield, Steinbach, Taza, Uruachic. Desert? Yes, I heard too, that recently there where discovered 2 or 3 stones in Spanish Sahara Will bring only Moon. Not all are micros... Andy The Hulk Gren will join on my table, as well as Razvan The Impaler Andrei, bringen such yummy specimens like Obernkirchen, Emsland, Zagora, a new desert iron and freshly stones from Morocco for me and you. Together we are the Spacetrash Squad, die Jungen Wilden, la Jeunesse dore - don't miss us, we already are missing you! Back to work Martin Buckleboo Altmann __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list]pterodactyl egg (ad)
This is just about as much related to meteorites as vacation photos. Randy - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]pterodactyl egg (ad) Anyone interested in a pterodactyl egg? (one of only two known to exist).NOT cheap. Recovered in SW Kansas - Cretacious. Xrays included. RSVP off list Photos available Best wishes, Michael -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Allende 38g partslice
Hi, I wish to sell my 38.2g crusted slice of Allende... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/allende3comp.jpg first person to $250 into paypal can have it! Or at least email me to reserve it - but payment expected within 12 hours otherwise I'll change my mind! Superb slice, wonderful CAIs and a treat to look at - hell, I'm preaching to the converted here - You know how great this stuff is!!! Best dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
WG: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Hello Vincent, A nice slice (before). Although I don't know this dealer, I would be careful to blame him on this. Brahin is well known as a heavy ruster. If you don't store the material in a very, very dry environment (e.g. Excicator w/desiccant), noone can really guarantee for a lifelong integrity of such material (even if some do). However, I must admit that the slice (after) isn't in a very good shape indeed. When did you buy the slice? Best regards, Jrn Koblitz -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von vincent stelluti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 14:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brahin in Ensisheim
Hello Vincent, Jörn, List, Being directly responsible for Ensisheim reservations, Neith Investment Ttd is unknown to me as (Russian) dealer in Ensisheim. There should be another name behind that I should know better. This being, I fully agree with Jörn not to blame the dealer, at least for Brahin the Ruster. I personally had the very similar problem with Dronino (about the same disaster within one year). I showed it to the Russian dealer (that I will keep anonymous so far) and he just could not do aything else than being extremely (and, I believe, sincerely) sorry. Dronino and Brahim, the same struggle... Welcome to Ensisheim anyhow (where we have at least 5 Russian dealers, not all of them being present in 2004 though). Cheers, Zelimir A 15:26 15/06/05 +0200, vous avez écrit : Hello Vincent, A nice slice (before). Although I don't know this dealer, I would be careful to blame him on this. Brahin is well known as a heavy ruster. If you don't store the material in a very, very dry environment (e.g. Excicator w/desiccant), noone can really guarantee for a lifelong integrity of such material (even if some do). However, I must admit that the slice (after) isn't in a very good shape indeed. When did you buy the slice? Best regards, Jörn Koblitz -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von vincent stelluti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 14:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Hello Jrn, steve and list, I bought the slice in June 2002, In august 2002, the slice starts to fell apart. Then, I put it in a Tupperware full with isopropilic alcohol at 99,9% and I sealed the Tupperware in a plastic bag. I was waiting to find a solution. But I forgot it there and I opened the Tupperware last week. I found no more alcohol and the Brahin in very bad shape. I live in Montreal, Canada; In general moderately wet. Vincent - Original Message - From: Jrn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: WG: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Vincent, A nice slice (before). Although I don't know this dealer, I would be careful to blame him on this. Brahin is well known as a heavy ruster. If you don't store the material in a very, very dry environment (e.g. Excicator w/desiccant), noone can really guarantee for a lifelong integrity of such material (even if some do). However, I must admit that the slice (after) isn't in a very good shape indeed. When did you buy the slice? Best regards, Jrn Koblitz -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von vincent stelluti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 14:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Brahin in Ensisheim/contact
Hello Vincent, Neith is the same as Cometshop 21 on eBay. The fellow behind 'Cometshop 21' is Serge (I'm sorry but I can't remember his last name right now.). He is a very honest, very reasonable dealer. Wonderful person. Hopefully he will be there and can help you. Best of luck, Bob Serge's e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Dear Vincent, Then, I put it in a Tupperware full with isopropilic alcohol... This was certainly the wrong way, because: alcohol (ethanol as well as isopropanol) is quite hygroscopic, i.e. it will absorb a lot of water. Even if you seal the plastic bag, it does not work as humidity will diffuse through the wall. At the end, you have worsen it as it doesn't make a big difference whether you put it in pure water or in a mixture of water and alcohol. Alcohol is only good for pulling off liquid water from a specimen after it has been dipped in water. Even then, the specimen has to be dried in an oven to get the remaining humidity off. My advice: always store known rusters under desiccant. Best is to use silica geel with color indicator (cobalt) so you see when its time to change it. If the storage box isn't really hermetic (.e.g plastic boxes), you have to change and re-generate the desiccant quite often. Cheers, Jrn -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: vincent stelluti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 15:34 An: Jrn Koblitz Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Koblitz, I bought the slice in June 2002, In august 2002, the slice starts to fell apart. Then, I put it in a Tupperware full with isopropilic alcohol at 99,9% and I sealed the Tupperware in a plastic bag. I was waiting to find a solution. But I forgot it there and I opened the Tupperware last week. I found no more alcohol and the Brahin in very bad shape. Vincent - Original Message - From: Jrn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Vincent, A nice slice (before). Although I don't know this dealer, I would be careful to blame him on this. Brahin is well known as a heavy ruster. If you don't store the material in a very, very dry environment (e.g. Excicator w/desiccant), noone can really guarantee for a lifelong integrity of such material (even if some do). However, I must admit that the slice (after) isn't in a very good shape indeed. When did you buy the slice? Best regards, Jrn Koblitz -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von vincent stelluti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 14:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Most stable of all pallasites is Imilac, you will enjoy it for decades without any traces of rust. Similar problematic as Brahin are Brenham and Admire. Of course Brahin is by far the cheapest of all - but from a higher investment you will profit for the rest of your life. Perhaps Karl/Vassiliev will have some new Imilac slices in Enisisheim at 15Euro/g. On web you find it at Rodrigo Martinez, Mike Farmer at 20$/g, Arizonaskies 25$/g and so on. I have only a historic one with Huss-nummer, who nobody wanted at 15$/g - so I'm still packing for Ensisheim, now it's still 15$, in Ensisheim it will be 25$ on web then because of the Huss number 30$I'm cruel! Martin - Original Message - From: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Or Vincent, easiest is to buy a sealed slice, it's not looking so perfect as it's more shiny but then you have not so much worries anymore. Afanasjev has such sealed ones, they are stable, Koutyrev, the second largest Brahin supplier adverised with the gimmick, that you could keep his stabilized even in salty water. His slices I didn't try, buit heard that the collectors were content with them. Cherio! - Original Message - From: Jrn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Dear Vincent, Then, I put it in a Tupperware full with isopropilic alcohol... This was certainly the wrong way, because: alcohol (ethanol as well as isopropanol) is quite hygroscopic, i.e. it will absorb a lot of water. Even if you seal the plastic bag, it does not work as humidity will diffuse through the wall. At the end, you have worsen it as it doesn't make a big difference whether you put it in pure water or in a mixture of water and alcohol. Alcohol is only good for pulling off liquid water from a specimen after it has been dipped in water. Even then, the specimen has to be dried in an oven to get the remaining humidity off. My advice: always store known rusters under desiccant. Best is to use silica geel with color indicator (cobalt) so you see when its time to change it. If the storage box isn't really hermetic (.e.g plastic boxes), you have to change and re-generate the desiccant quite often. Cheers, Jrn -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: vincent stelluti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 15:34 An: Jrn Koblitz Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Koblitz, I bought the slice in June 2002, In august 2002, the slice starts to fell apart. Then, I put it in a Tupperware full with isopropilic alcohol at 99,9% and I sealed the Tupperware in a plastic bag. I was waiting to find a solution. But I forgot it there and I opened the Tupperware last week. I found no more alcohol and the Brahin in very bad shape. Vincent - Original Message - From: Jrn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Vincent, A nice slice (before). Although I don't know this dealer, I would be careful to blame him on this. Brahin is well known as a heavy ruster. If you don't store the material in a very, very dry environment (e.g. Excicator w/desiccant), noone can really guarantee for a lifelong integrity of such material (even if some do). However, I must admit that the slice (after) isn't in a very good shape indeed. When did you buy the slice? Best regards, Jrn Koblitz -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von vincent stelluti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 14:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ...while brahin slowly rusts
kind of a beatles rip-off i'm working on on the dulcimer. the tempo will be determined by keeping rhythm with the crackling and popping of my rusting 5lbs. megachunk of brahin. when it's done i might have a few facet-grade olivines left to cut. 2nd track of this album- "rusting away in margaritaville". i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
I repeat forever, I prefear pay many money for a Esquel - Imilac slice and not for a brahin slice this go in total ruin for rusty after few days Matteo --- vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
I have pay my gr.94 thin slice of Imilac from Moritz $15.2/gr. and its perfect stable. The same for esquel, I have pay Euro 17,44/gr. for a 51.6 gr. slice and is the same perfect. Matteo --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Most stable of all pallasites is Imilac, you will enjoy it for decades without any traces of rust. Similar problematic as Brahin are Brenham and Admire. Of course Brahin is by far the cheapest of all - but from a higher investment you will profit for the rest of your life. Perhaps Karl/Vassiliev will have some new Imilac slices in Enisisheim at 15Euro/g. On web you find it at Rodrigo Martinez, Mike Farmer at 20$/g, Arizonaskies 25$/g and so on. I have only a historic one with Huss-nummer, who nobody wanted at 15$/g - so I'm still packing for Ensisheim, now it's still 15$, in Ensisheim it will be 25$ on web then because of the Huss number 30$I'm cruel! Martin - Original Message - From: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ urh terrible look. Now you have perfect give-avay material for long months :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
I agree with Matteo. You get what you pay for. Esquel, Imilac, Albin, Glorietta, and a few others are investment quality pallasites. Brahin, Brenham and Admire have always had a bad reputation in general although there are some speicmens that have lasted for years with no traces of rust. I do believe that Brahin CAN survive with the proper cutting and preparation, however. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim I repeat forever, I prefear pay many money for a Esquel - Imilac slice and not for a brahin slice this go in total ruin for rusty after few days Matteo --- vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
In august 2002, the slice starts to fell apart. Then, I put it in a Tupperware full with isopropilic alcohol at 99,9% and I sealed the Tupperware in a plastic bag. I was waiting to find a solution. But I forgot it there and I opened the Tupperware last week. I found no more alcohol and the Brahin in very bad shape. I live in Montreal, Canada; In general moderately wet. Meteosites are like womans, dont like when You not remember about them. Also alcohol its not solution to keep meteorites in it. So Im not surprised why its soo bad now. You should put to alcohol in ultraconic cleaner, remove rust by sanding or etching solution, then heat it and oiled it. Maybe try to put for short time to NaOH solution to remove acids. But alcohol for along time its the same as water. But now You can fortunatelly buy same size Brahin slice for much less, and continue Your experiments :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brahin co
Hi List, Jörn wrote: Alcohol is only good for pulling off liquid water from a specimen after it has been dipped in water. Even then, the specimen has to be dried in an oven to get the remaining humidity off. Here is a tip of an old timer chemist. To remove alcohol (ethanol) that was used in a preliminary step to remove water, pull the sample in di-ethyl ether first. Ethanol being miscible in ether, it will get readily admixed with it and easily removed through evaporation, along with (major) ether that is highly volatile. The last races of volatile ether are then be more readily removed through gentle heating. Back to Brahin, I totally agree with your comments about Esquel and Imilac. Perhaps we can add here Springwater as well (my very old slice once traded by...NIninger, is still fresh as new, with no protection, in humid Belgium...). After 2 bad experiences with Brahin, I opted the solution proposed by Martin. My epoxy-sealed Brahin is, since 1999, as new. Just sad not being able to fondle it... Marcin, thanks for your tips about Dronino. I may buy some oil from you soon. But my Dronino from Sergey Vassiliev however proved remarkably stable, still without protection, since now almost 3 years... This is as for some other meterites: it could depend on the exact place of the parent chunk where the slice was cut from. There could be stable and labile Droninos as there are poorly stable and even less poorly stable Brahins Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] silica geel
Dear List,dear Jörn, Jörn wrote: My advice: always store known rusters under desiccant. Best is to use silica geel with color indicator (cobalt) so you see when its time to change it. If the storage box isn't really hermetic (.e.g plastic boxes), you have to change and re-generate the desiccant quite often. Silica geel is fine to use for irons,I have every iron in my collection in a single acryl box with silica geel,and Balistol oil on it,then I taped the boxes and so I dont have any problems with my irons and I have to change the silica geel ones a year,because of the tape,without the tape it takes one week till the indicator turns his colour. Here in Germany there will no silica geel with cobalt indicator be produced any more, because Cobalt is not so nice to Your health but there is a new one with an organic indicator,perhaps the safer way to Your healt.Anyway,never bring the Iron in direct contact with the silica geel ,I dont know why ,but it makes ugly remarks on the irons. Have a nice time and see much of You in Ensisheim. Andreas Gren __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brahin co
Hello, Thanks to all for the advices. However, I think I will never by a Bhahin again. I have a piece of Esquel since June 2000 (Ensisheim show) and it is still as I bought. Vincent - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Brahin co Hi List, Jörn wrote: Alcohol is only good for pulling off liquid water from a specimen after it has been dipped in water. Even then, the specimen has to be dried in an oven to get the remaining humidity off. Here is a tip of an old timer chemist. To remove alcohol (ethanol) that was used in a preliminary step to remove water, pull the sample in di-ethyl ether first. Ethanol being miscible in ether, it will get readily admixed with it and easily removed through evaporation, along with (major) ether that is highly volatile. The last races of volatile ether are then be more readily removed through gentle heating. Back to Brahin, I totally agree with your comments about Esquel and Imilac. Perhaps we can add here Springwater as well (my very old slice once traded by...NIninger, is still fresh as new, with no protection, in humid Belgium...). After 2 bad experiences with Brahin, I opted the solution proposed by Martin. My epoxy-sealed Brahin is, since 1999, as new. Just sad not being able to fondle it... Marcin, thanks for your tips about Dronino. I may buy some oil from you soon. But my Dronino from Sergey Vassiliev however proved remarkably stable, still without protection, since now almost 3 years... This is as for some other meterites: it could depend on the exact place of the parent chunk where the slice was cut from. There could be stable and labile Droninos as there are poorly stable and even less poorly stable Brahins Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brahin in Ensisheim
This being, I fully agree with Jörn not to blame the dealer, at least for Brahin the Ruster. The best thing a dealer could (and should) do is to provide his (her) customer with all the proper information about his (her) material, be that as it may, to the best of his (her) knowledge. If this is done - no problem, no blame on the dealer, whatever happens afterwards! Besides this, any Brahin buyer (beautiful and cheap, so cheap a pallasite!!!) should be aware of the fact that this is a very bad potential ruster in most of the cases. Essentially it´s nothing but a problem of education. Building a meteorite collection does not only mean buying meteorites, but should be accompanied by buying and reading books and magazines devoted to mets. Last but surely not least this is one of the reasons this list is for, right? I personally had the very similar problem with Dronino (about the same disaster within one year). I showed it to the Russian dealer (that I will keep anonymous so far) and he just could not do aything else than being extremely (and, I believe, sincerely) sorry. Dronino and Brahim, the same struggle... I´ve gone through the same bad thing with my Brenham, many years ago. It hurts, it sucks! Then again, one has to look, listen and learn, what to buy or better not buy! CU in Ensisheim, Alex A 15:26 15/06/05 +0200, vous avez écrit : Hello Vincent, A nice slice (before). Although I don't know this dealer, I would be careful to blame him on this. Brahin is well known as a heavy ruster. If you don't store the material in a very, very dry environment (e.g. Excicator w/desiccant), noone can really guarantee for a lifelong integrity of such material (even if some do). However, I must admit that the slice (after) isn't in a very good shape indeed. When did you buy the slice? Best regards, Jörn Koblitz -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von vincent stelluti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2005 14:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Poor Brahin
... that is about one of the saddest pics I've seen. Trouble is, as I understand it, Brahin's Ni content is heterogeneous so one can get completely stable slices too that never rot away. Trouble is, one doesn't know until it is too late! One can have similar probs with Brenham too... Very sad... Best! dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin
Humm, Eagle Station is a Ni bomb, but quite unaffordable - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin ... that is about one of the saddest pics I've seen. Trouble is, as I understand it, Brahin's Ni content is heterogeneous so one can get completely stable slices too that never rot away. Trouble is, one doesn't know until it is too late! One can have similar probs with Brenham too... Very sad... Best! dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin
my big Esquel slice is 100% fine despite living about 100 meters away from the sea and it is continuously damp, gray and horrible here in Portslade. Jim Hartman did a fine job in polishing it - I am sure that proper preparation helps Best! dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org ---Original Message--- From: Martin Altmann Date: 06/15/05 17:43:39 To: Dave Harris; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin Humm, Eagle Station is a Ni bomb, but quite unaffordable - Original Message - From: "Dave Harris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "metlist" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin ... that is about one of the saddest pics I've seen. Trouble is, as I understand it, Brahin's Ni content is heterogeneous so one can get completely stable slices too that never rot away.Trouble is, one doesn't know until it is too late! One can have similar probs with Brenham too... Very sad... Best! dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Arnolds Awesome Arabian Adventure '05
Hello list, The Arnolds Awesome Arabian Adventure '05 $10.00 plus shipping via Steve Arnold, IMB. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The meteorite finds start slow, but that's okay, the Arnold's entertain us with Wildlife footage and general adventure commentary, and it gives us time to be introduced to Steve and Qynne while they make their way across an Oman desert. Plus it gives Qynne time to warm up a little to the camera. Steve is well...Steve with an Indiana Jones hat and a rare earth magnet. From herds of sheep, strange looking lizardsand a lonely tree, one gets a good feeling of what it is like in Omanvisually at least. Perhaps one should view the DVD in a steam bath for the full effect. Qynne's bubbly joy when finding another meteoritemight have made Steve jealous if he wasn't tasked with driving, GPS tracking, and navigation, but such was not the case. On one that Steve missed, he does a dance that only those that have found large meteorite must know. Those that haven't picked up the video should e-mail Steve, and to the those that have, the symbol thing is A for Arnold, 05 for 2005 and 4 for April. Either that, or they spent too much time in Oman and have created a family symbol:^) Owner of ...and #60 and #116 Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] last minute Ensisheim news
Hello List, The latest info is that Alain Carion, although not present this year at the show, will provide us with a DVD report (26 minutes) on the recent (December 2004) joint French-Egyptian expedition in Southern Egypt lead by Philippe Paillou collaborators (among which Carion) to investigate the famous field involving many newly discovered meteoritic impact craters. This projection is scheduled as a preview on Sunday afternoon June 19. See also preliminary pictures on the web site of Anne Black. A full paper is ready to be published in the next issue of Meteorite For those who inquired about the participation of our friend Ivan Koutyrev, he just notified me that, because of some hard and tiring moments he recently enjoyed in Oman, he wil not show up this time but promises to come in 2006, with a lot of goodies. Nick Gessler, quenched that same week-end somewhere in Russia, is sorry to have to skip the events. He sent us 2 full packages of gold magnets, telescoping magnets, brass loupes, diamond brader cards...for sale. Probably in the consignment room or on a separate side table. We are now quasi full, with 2 tables (of the 56) still available though. Weather definitely predicted sunny and warm (28 to 30°C), ideal for many side activities... Welcome to those listees I progressively learn will be coming. The Friday party is looking more than promising. Good trip to all and best wishes to those who can't come this time. Cordially, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.
Greetings Listees. With a heavy heart, I will be selling and listing my desert eucrite collection on eBay in the coming weeks. I`m purchasing a new house in September, and need a little extra money for upgrading when I move in. Some things just have to take precidence. Listed will be maim masses, slices and fragments of hard to get and rare desert eucrites. Look under my eBay ID of indy1996 if you might be interested. I have two great specimens listed there already! Thanks, Dave. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.
Dave Schultz wrote: ... maim masses... Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? On another note, any chance you will cut loose some of your eucrite falls? Cheers, Martin __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Express Deploys Second Radar Boom
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn7523 Mars Express deploys second radar boom Maggie McKee New Scientist June 15, 2005 The second of two identical radar booms has been deployed on Europe's Mars Express spacecraft - but it is not yet clear if the operation was successful. If it was, the antenna could begin scouting for underground water on Mars within a week. Mission managers in Darmstadt, Germany, deployed the 20-metre-long boom on 14 June at 1130 GMT. After a series of manoeuvres designed to warm the boom evenly in sunshine, the spacecraft reoriented itself towards Earth about two hours later and began beaming data to mission control. It's always good to see your spacecraft back under control, says Fred Jansen, the spacecraft's mission manager. But we know from the first boom's deployment that this does not tell the full story, so we are not declaring the operation successful yet. That first boom in the MARSIS (Mars Advanced Radar for Subsurface and Ionosphere Sounding) experiment popped out of its storage box on 4 May. But a few days later, engineers discovered one of its outer hinges had failed to lock into place during deployment, leaving a slight kink in the antenna. Mission managers suspected the coldness of space played a role in the problem, so on 10 May they exposed the crooked boom to the Sun for a few minutes. The warming trick worked - the boom straightened and locked in place - but an analysis showed the spacecraft itself could become unstable if a kink were to occur on an inner segment of the second boom. So mission planners postponed the deployment of that boom - which is crucial for the instrument to function - to study the issue. Hinge heater In deploying boom 2, mission managers set Mars Express rotating very slowly with the stored boom facing generally towards the Sun. Then, they deployed the boom and kept rotating the spacecraft so that, in half an hour, the boom rotated through 180 degrees. So if you assume a hinge is at an angle somewhere, the Sun would illuminate all the hinges and heat them up, Jansen told New Scientist. Managers will study data from the spacecraft's gyroscopes, which measure its rotation, to see whether the boom deployed straight. They hope to finish their analysis of the deployment on Thursday. If the procedure was a success, mission officials will deploy the third and final boom on 17 June. This is a 7-metre-long pole that will help determine whether the reflected radio waves are coming from underground, but it is not critical to the mission. If all goes to plan, the experiment is set to record its first data on 21 June, as part of its initial commissioning phase. MARSIS was originally scheduled to be deployed in April 2004 but was delayed for a year over concerns that the springy booms could have hit and damage the spacecraft during deployment. But further Earth-based tests allayed those fears. Scientists hope MARSIS will discover whether the water that once carved canyons on the Red Planet's surface has seeped into underground reserves. Such reserves might harbour life or be used to supply future crewed missions to Mars. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Magma Oceans Sloshed Across Early Asteroids
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7522 Magma oceans sloshed across early asteroids Jeff Hecht New Scientist June 15, 2005 Oceans of molten rock, or magma, covered some asteroids in the early solar system, reveals a new study of meteorites. But researchers are still puzzled over why other asteroids apparently did not melt at all. In the solar system's first few tens of millions of years, collisions between rocky objects and the decay of radioactive isotopes melted the interiors of large objects. Magma oceans - perhaps hundreds of kilometres deep - lapped over the Moon, the Earth, and other planets, allowing dense material to settle towards their centres in a process called differentiation. But the extent of asteroid melting had remained unclear. Now, Richard Greenwood at the Open University in Milton Keynes, UK, and colleagues have analysed groups of meteorites thought to have come from the 530-kilometre-wide asteroid Vesta and from a second, still-unknown, asteroid. Short half-life They found all of the meteorites from each source shared the same ratios of oxygen isotopes, suggesting both asteroids must have melted almost completely. It's an exquisite piece of work, says Michael Drake, a geochemist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, US. But the research fails to explain why other asteroids do not show any evidence of melting. Ceres, the largest known asteroid - 930 kilometres wide - appears to be totally undifferentiated. Drake thinks the difference may be down to timing. Previous research has suggested asteroids were heated by the decay of radioactive aluminium-26 in the dusty disc from which the solar system condensed. That isotope has a half-life of only 700,000 years. So if it was the main heat source for the first asteroids, too little may have remained to warm those that formed later, Drake says. Journal reference: Nature (vol 435, p 916) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lucky Spirit and Even Luckier Opportunity Continue Their Odyssey Beyond 1, 000 Martian Days
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/June05/Athena.6.8.lg.html Lucky Spirit and even luckier Opportunity continue their odyssey beyond 1,000 Martian days June 14, 2005 Cornell University News Service Contact: Lauren Gold Phone: (607) 255-9736 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Media Contact: Blaine P. Friedlander Jr. Phone: (607) 254-8093 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ITHACA, N.Y. -- Luck, it has been said, favors the well prepared. That explains, perhaps, the fortune of the plucky Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity -- and their creators, including Cornell Professor Steve Squyres, scientific leader of the NASA mission, back on Earth. To say June has been a good month for the Mars Expedition Rover (MER) team is -- well, like saying getting to Mars is a bit of a hike. The mission has been, for the scientists and engineers who expected the rovers to explore the planet for 90 days, a remarkable 17-month adventure. And it's not over. On June 4, Opportunity escaped from the sand trap now called Purgatory Dune. And last week Spirit, in Gusev crater on the opposite side of Mars, discovered a basaltic rock -- valuable because its characteristics vary slightly from the rocks around it. Opportunity's escape was a long-awaited thrill. The rover, which found itself unexpectedly mired in deep sand on Meridiani Planum on April 26, had been making slow, steady progress -- turning its wheels 192 meters between May 13 and June 4. Each day, it gained a few centimeters. And then, suddenly, it was free. There was no ambiguity, said Squyres. It was like night and day. The news came in on the morning of June 4. I knew instantly that we were out, said Cornell senior research associate Rob Sullivan, who with Jet Propulsion Laboratory mobility engineer Jeffrey Biesiadecki and a small group of scientists and engineers built a giant sandbox -- filled with sand, clay, and material used to treat swimming pools -- to simulate the conditions on Mars. (We cleaned out hardware stores and at least one Home Depot for some of these materials, Sullivan said. I think if people wanted to treat their pools that week, they were probably out of luck.) Mindful that time spent in the dune was time lost from the mission, the team worked almost nonstop until Opportunity was free. We've had a feeling over the past several days that this was coming, Squyres wrote that evening. Still, it's hard to describe how good it felt to check out the downlink and see all six wheels back on solid ground again. You develop pretty strong feelings for these vehicles once you've spent enough time with them, and when one of them gets into trouble you really sweat it until the trouble is over. The following Tuesday found the black-cowboy-booted Squyres in his office in the Space Sciences Building, chatting easily with students between MER planning teleconferences. I don't think I realized how nervous I was about being stuck, he said. Until we got unstuck. With Opportunity now in the clear, its next assignment is to turn 180 degrees and examine the treacherous area with its sensing arm. Images of the dune sent back by the rover's panoramic camera, or Pancam, already indicate that all six wheels dug more deeply into the soil than any previous intentional wheel-trenching activity (in which only one wheel is used to dig a shallower hole). There are these deep ruts, like little mini-canyons, said Jim Bell, Pancam team leader and Cornell professor of astronomy. Understanding their composition and origin will help the team spot and avoid similar traps as Opportunity picks up its journey toward Erebus crater. Just half a kilometer to the south, Erebus is another mystery. Unlike the dark, hematite-rich ground Opportunity has spent its time on so far, the crater looks intriguingly bright. The brightness may be exposed bedrock, says Bell -- or it may be something else entirely. I would say bedrock is a good working hypothesis, but we haven't seen it up close, says Bell. And whether it's the same kind of bedrock we've seen at Eagle crater (where Opportunity landed) and Endurance Crater (whose rim it explored last year), we don't know. We're just antsy to get there. So far, both rovers have found strong evidence that Mars was once wet enough to support life. From Opportunity, the evidence has been orbs of hematite blueberries in Eagle crater and rippled patterns in bedrock; from Spirit it's been high chlorine, bromine and sulfur levels in the Columbia Hills. And concern for Opportunity aside, no one is neglecting Spirit. The first rover launched crossed a symbolic milestone June 3, completing its 500th sol (a sol is a Martian day, which lasts 24 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds) at work on the planet. Faithfully toiling in the Columbia Hills, Spirit had its own touch of luck last week. For weeks Spirit has been doing meticulous strike and dip measurements, collecting data scientists need to work out a history of
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.
Hello Martin, Dave and list, Dave Schultz wrote: ... maim masses... Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? I think Freud would blame it on his mother. I always tend to lean towards Wasson. Wasson would blame the general collecting community I think. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.
Doh! Where`s that damn spell-checker when you need it??? ;) Dave Hello Martin, Dave and list, Dave Schultz wrote: ... maim masses... Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? I think Freud would blame it on his mother. I always tend to lean towards Wasson. Wasson would blame the general collecting community I think. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - June 9-15, 2005
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES June 9-15, 2005 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Daedalia Flow (Released 09 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/09 o Inverted Channels (Released 10 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/10 o Arabian Dunes (Released 11 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/11 o Bouldery Impact (Released 12 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/12 o Windstreaked Plain (Released 13 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/13 o Mars at Ls 230 Degrees (Released 14 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/14 o Olympica Fossae Landforms (Released 15 June 2006) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/15 All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Dong Ujimqin Qi mesosiderite
Hi, well, as there was a good response to the Allende slice I have a 1.7g piece of Dong Ujimqin Qi mesosiderite to go This is a very rare Inner Mongolian fresh (1995) meso. As before, first to reserve paypal $100 incl. shipping can have it! best dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.
Hello Walter and list, Walter wrote; Actually, Freud was quite fond of saying, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I thought that Bill Clinton said that! Or was Bill just fond of cigars, I forget. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection. Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? Actually, Freud was quite fond of saying, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection. Hello Martin, Dave and list, Dave Schultz wrote: ... maim masses... Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? I think Freud would blame it on his mother. I always tend to lean towards Wasson. Wasson would blame the general collecting community I think. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin
Yeah, that's the problem with "unstable" pallasites - there are portions that havehigher Ni content and they seem to be fine.! What one needs to do is to slice and prepare some "rusters", let them mature for ayear or two, then one can sell them as stable examples of the genre if they haven't crumbled in that time! Like laying down a wine 'en primeur' in the hope that it'll turn into a vintage year dave ---Original Message--- From: harlan trammell Date: 06/15/05 20:21:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Poor Brahin i have STABLE esquel, imilac and BRENHAM (yep, you read it right) here in the humid southeast . no probs w/ all 3. i also have 2lbs, BRAHIN (yep you read that right too) that is TOTALLY STABLE. on my 5lbs ruster brahin, the rust is only occuring in certain region of the INTERIOR . the outside istill nice and silver. i am deliberately handling w/ salty, fingers for experiment just to see the ultimate results since it is pretty much a right-off, anyway. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Dave Harris" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"metlist" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] Poor BrahinDate: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:29:28 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)... that is about one of the saddest pics I've seen.Trouble is, as I understand it, Brahin's Ni content is heterogeneous so onecan get completely stable slices too that never rot away. Trouble is, onedoesn't know until it is too late!One can have similar probs with Brenham too...Very sad...Best!daveIMCA #0092Sec.BIMSwww.bimsociety.org__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Start Ending in 1 Hour
Dear List Members, I have many eBay auctions starting to end in one hour, many still at just 99 cents under my seller name, naturesvault. I have several new classifications ending today, here are the direct links: New Rumuruti ending. NEW - NWA 2702 R4 - 9.4g Complete Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538454442rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NEW - NWA 2702 R4 - 6.3g End Cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538454649rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NEW - NWA 2702 R4 - 1.1g Part Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538454947rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 New H4 ending: NEW - NWA 2774 H4 24.6g Part Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538455236rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NEW - NWA 2774 H4 6.5g Part Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538455372rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 New Shocked L5 ending: NEW - NWA 2781 Shocked L5 Complete Slice 36.3g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538455596rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NEW - NWA 2781 Shocked L5 Complete Slice 6g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6538455771rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 There are several Last Pieces of material that I will not have any more of. I also have some of the NWA 869-paired material in small complete stones left, but the lots are starting to move so if you are interested... To see these and all other material I have listed, please click on one of the above links and then click View seller's other items. That, or go to eBay and search for items by seller, naturesvault. Best regards and Thank You for looking and/or bidding, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: The Arnolds Awesome Arabian Adventure '05
Hello Steve, The 04 being over the 05 misled me therealthough one member did point out the four A's. Steve asked: How does Arnold's Awesome April Arabian Adventure '05 sound? I kinda like Another Arnold's Awesome Arabian Adventure '06:^) Thanks again for the entertaining DVD. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD, OT Desert eucrite collection.
One Google says: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar is attributed to Sigmund Freud. But there is no evidence that he actually said it. It means that sometimes a cigar is what it is and not a phallic symbol -- an elongated object representing a penis. This line is beloved by showboat psychology professors who imitate Groucho Marx while telling students that Freud said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. From Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes (HarperPerennial, 1993). : : : : (They probably imitate Groucho because he was another cigar smoker. The cigar story associated with him is that a woman explained her many children by saying, I love my husband. And Groucho responded, I love my cigar but I take it out once in a while. But I don't think Groucho actually said that.) : : : : So, sometimes a wedding card is just a card. And not representative of something else. : : : Victor Herbert, or his librettist, said (in one of Herbert's operettas), A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke. (I'm just the messenger.) SS : : So, did Victor Herbert get A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke. from Kipling or did Kipling get it from Herbert? : Monica Lewinsky would have said 'do you want the before cigar or the after cigar?' Bill -- Original message -- From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Walter and list, Walter wrote; Actually, Freud was quite fond of saying, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I thought that Bill Clinton said that! Or was Bill just fond of cigars, I forget. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection. Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? Actually, Freud was quite fond of saying, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection. Hello Martin, Dave and list, Dave Schultz wrote: ... maim masses... Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would say? I think Freud would blame it on his mother. I always tend to lean towards Wasson. Wasson would blame the general collecting community I think. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Re: The Arnolds Awesome Arabian Adventure '05
Steve's message either didn't make it through, or is being slow, so I am forwarding it, as it was sent to the list as well. If Steve's does come through, please delete this. Clear Skies, Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: The Arnolds Awesome Arabian Adventure '05 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:14:23 EDT In a message dated 6/15/2005 11:56:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those that haven't picked up the video should e-mail Steve, and to the those that have, the symbol thing is A for Arnold, 05 for 2005 and 4 for April. Either that, or they spent too much time in Oman and have created a family symbol:^) Mark and List, Actually the 4 is for A to the fourth power, as in: 1. Arnold's 2. Awesome 3. Arabian 4. Adventure You got the 05 part right though. I never thought about it being done in April... How does Arnold's Awesome April Arabian Adventure '05 sound? I guess that would make it A5 05. Steve Arnold #1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] red rock
Hi list and good evening.For those who have inquired on my new 78 gram slice of RED ROCK iron,I got it from COSMIC CUTLERY.As of today they still had some pieces to buy.I also put up a picture of the piece on my website homepage as well as updated pic of my display case. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
Before and after WHAT??? My God. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Goucho
on 6/15/05 3:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : : : (They probably imitate Groucho because he was another cigar smoker. The cigar story associated with him is that a woman explained her many children by saying, I love my husband. And Groucho responded, I love my cigar but I take it out once in a while. But I don't think Groucho actually said that.) - He did, It was on a program called you bet your life and I was watching it when he said it. (however, it was not a woman to whom he was speaking, it was a man, and he had responded when Groucho asked why they had so many kids, I love my wife.) Best wishes, Michael -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: New Smallest, Possibly Earth-like,Extra-Solar Plane...
But trying to find a nearby invisible star is a truly daunting technical problem concerning which no light bulbs have turned on in my brain... It's as dim in there as the L dwarves themselves! Sterling K. Webb infared won't detect the L's??? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: New Smallest, Possibly Earth-like,Extra-Solar Plane... Hi, My example of a SuperEarth was based on taking the same materials (bulk composition) as the Earth is made from and just piling more of them together. We have no idea (and no way of knowing, for now) if the planetesimals of the Gliese 876 system were the same mix as the Sol planetesimals, but we think the raw materials of solar systems are generally similar. When I started suggesting the loss of some water so we could have continents and a higher albedo so it would be cooler and so forth, you were being treated to an ugly display of a rational mind crumbling under the pressures of interstellar optimism, the desire to improve things just a touch. After all, planetary systems have unique histories. The Earth picked up this whonking huge Moon to stabilize its axis and its climate though blind luck at incredible odds. Mars got all these volariles (we think) but then got its atmosphere stripped off and died. Venus really got a dirty deal; don't know what it was, but it was nasty. Them's the breaks. It does make it look like there's more planetary bad luck than good luck, doesn't it? I'm sure we all wish Europa well! And I have a soft spot in my head for Titan. Always have had... The interstellar optimists tend to think of extra-solar worlds as similar to what we know, but 50-60 years ago the interplanetary optimists tended to think of solar worlds as more Earth-like than they turned out to be. As a teenager in the early Fifties, I devoured every scientific book on other planets that there was, and the picture they presented was rosy compared to reality, The very best book on Mars, The Physics of the Planet Mars, by the great Gerald de Vaucouleurs, was translated in English in 1953, a substantial tome filled with equations, graphs, and tables. I special ordered it, and it was damned expensive. It presented a Mars with an atmospheric pressure of 100 to 200 millibars and 85 degree F. noonday temperatures. All the astronaut would have to do was slip on flight mask with a 10 pound oxygen tank on his back and go for a stroll. He could leave his leather jacket and white scarf back in the rocket because it's comfortable weather out there, at least in the daytime. The notions of Venus were rosier still. It seems that the less you know, the happier the picture you get. Here's the kind of paradox that arises from happy thinking. Venus gets twice as much solar energy as the Earth. But the albedo (reflectivity for those of you listening in) of Venus is more than twice that of the Earth (as we estimated the Earth's albedo in those days), so Venus shouldn't be any warmer than the Earth (and a few brave souls even suggested it was cooler, with big polar ice caps) In the 1940's, Rupert Wildt measured huge fat CO2 absorption features in the Venus spectrum and concluded that Venus was a waterless inferno as hot as hell's hinges. What he got for his suggestion was a lot of scowls and being ignored for a decade or so. Other scientists (big names and I ain't saying who) measured H2O bands, They were dead wrong about the water, because the water they were measuring was in the atmosphere of Earth, not Venus! Who knew? So, Venus was maybe a little warm, very wet, always cloudy but bright, kind of like the Permian had been on Earth. Venus was so remarkably like the Earth on paper that everyone figured it was the twin it appeared to be. Probably had oxygen under those clouds, Get out of the spaceship, wear good boots (it was bound to be muddy), and keep an eye out for Venusian dinosaurs. I'm not talking about science fiction writers here; I'm talking about real honest-to-gosh scientists. We had gotten over Lowell and his canals on Mars, but not by much. Pickering was still talking about life on the Moon, for heaven's sake. Although he had a great explanation for Martian canals: they were the migratory routes of Martian herbivores, fertilized by their droppings. Tommy Gold had his own special heresy for Venus (doesn't he always?), an ocean of hydrocarbons, an idea that would get picked up from Venus and moved to Titan for 30 or 40 years. Ain't there. You don't suppose wishful thinking has anything to do with the notion of a planetary body with oceans of gasoline, do you? Nah... Sorry, no oceans of free gasoline. You can leave the SUV at home, buddy. In some ways, science fiction writers
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim
That's the question! Vincent - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Before and after WHAT??? My God. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: vincent stelluti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Hello Brahin Lovers, I bought a nice (before) Brahin in Ensisheim Show from Neith Investment Ltd. The dealer is from Russia I think. I paid 264 $ for 88 g. You can see two pictures, before and after here: http://www.colvir.net/prof/vincent.stelluti/ Somebody knows if Neith Investment is in Ensisheim the next weekend? I will go to Ensiheim ... Thanks Vincent __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]pterodactyl egg (ad)
Hi Darren, Yes, it has. Yes, it does belong in a museum. Would you like to buy it and donate it to the museum of your choice? Thanks, Michael on 6/14/05 9:58 PM, Darren Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has this find been examined by paleontologists yet? Something that rare and important belongs in a museum. (According to this article at National Geographic, as of Dec 2004, 3 pterosaur eggs were known to exist-- two from China, one from Argentina) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1202_041202_pterosaurs_egg.htm l __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:42:41 -0700, Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone interested in a pterodactyl egg? (one of only two known to exist). NOT cheap. Recovered in SW Kansas - Cretacious. Xrays included. -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Arizona Find....
Hello List, I am very happy to announce that the chondrite I found in January is now classified by Lora Bleacher at ASU. I do not have all the information yet, but it looks to be an L5, S1, W3 If some of you remember your guesses just by looking were right on the money! This sure is exciting stuff for someone fairly new to this fascinating world of meteorites! So far there is about 870 grams with a 465 gram main mass. Cheers, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Find....
Hi Bill, I had to dig through my old e-mails to remind myself what my guess was: ... hard to guess from a single photo -- almost certainly an H- or an L-chondrite. Doesn't look unequilibrated, but it doesn't look completely equilibrated either. My best guess would be H5 or L5, though the petrologic grade could be 4 or (less likely) 6. Weathering grade probably W2 or W3 -- the metal flecks look pretty good. Don't see evidence of high shock, so S3 or less. I guess when you're as non-commital as I was, it's easy to guess correctly. ;-) --Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Southern Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Find Hello List, I am very happy to announce that the chondrite I found in January is now classified by Lora Bleacher at ASU. I do not have all the information yet, but it looks to be an L5, S1, W3 If some of you remember your guesses just by looking were right on the money! This sure is exciting stuff for someone fairly new to this fascinating world of meteorites! So far there is about 870 grams with a 465 gram main mass. Cheers, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What is It?
Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6538683982rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is It?
I believe that a week ago we determined this to be a crackpot. Iron rich olivine basalt is my blind guess at what it may be. I have some somewhere. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6538683982rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Find....
Congratulations! Three cheers for Bill! Larry -Original Message- From: Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:36:05 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Find Hello List, I am very happy to announce that the chondrite I found in January is now classified by Lora Bleacher at ASU. I do not have all the information yet, but it looks to be an L5, S1, W3 If some of you remember your guesses just by looking were right on the money! This sure is exciting stuff for someone fairly new to this fascinating world of meteorites! So far there is about 870 grams with a 465 gram main mass. Cheers, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]pterodactyl egg (ad)
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:53:55 -0700, Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it does belong in a museum. Would you like to buy it and donate it to the museum of your choice? Thanks, Michael No, I'm sure that if I sold my home and everything that I owned I still wouldn't be able to pay your asking price. Nice to reconfirm your priorities, though. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is It?
Dave, List, I must've missed that thread. There certainly seems to be a hint of crackpotedness for sure! The rock is very interesting however, I've never seen anything like it before. Do you have any pic's Dave? Thanks, Larry -Original Message- From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:53:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is It? I believe that a week ago we determined this to be a crackpot. Iron rich olivine basalt is my blind guess at what it may be. I have some somewhere. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory239iteme38683982rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Awesome New Mesosiderite, Slices w/ Etched Metal Inclusion
Dear List Members, We are proud to announce another new, unique and beautiful Mesosiderite, some slices have etched metal inclusions. It is NWA 2711 and is available on eBay under my seller name, naturesvault. Here are the direct links to the specimens I have listed tonight: NEW - NWA 2711 Unique Mesosiderite Complete Slice 27.2 grams with Etched Metal Inclusion http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540078325rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Complete Slice 25.9 grams with Etched Metal Inclusion http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540078610rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Complete Slice 22 grams with Etched Metal Inclusion http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540078958rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Complete Slice 19.4 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540079245rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Complete Slice 15 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540079447rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Complete Slice 4.3 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540080408rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Part Slice 2.9 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540080835rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Part Slice 2.5 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540081227rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Part Slice 2.5 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540081533rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Part Slice 2.1 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540081853rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 A couple have already sold before posting this so you may want to act quickly if you are interested. Even if you are not interested in purchasing one, the pictures are worth a look. Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is It?
Dave, In a career working frequently with basalts, I've never seen megascopic free metal. I also have never heard of the same. Basalts are, by nature, iron rich, but for all practical purposes, most of the iron is present in silicate phases. This thing isn't a basalt. I don't have any better ideas. I think it might be what the seller claims it to be Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that a week ago we determined this to be a crackpot. Iron rich olivine basalt is my blind guess at what it may be. I have some somewhere. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6538683982rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Find....
Hi Bill and All Bill ,I wish you the very best congrads my friend !! And A great big Atta Boy !! :o) Happy Huntin John Blennert - Original Message - From: Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Find Hello List, I am very happy to announce that the chondrite I found in January is now classified by Lora Bleacher at ASU. I do not have all the information yet, but it looks to be an L5, S1, W3 If some of you remember your guesses just by looking were right on the money! This sure is exciting stuff for someone fairly new to this fascinating world of meteorites! So far there is about 870 grams with a 465 gram main mass. Cheers, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is It?
I am not sure but I think that one of the iron rich olivine basalts I speak of is on Tim Heinz meteorwrong page from a few years back. Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, List, I must've missed that thread. There certainly seems to be a hint of crackpotedness for sure! The rock is very interesting however, I've never seen anything like it before. Do you have any pic's Dave? Thanks, Larry -Original Message- From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:53:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is It? I believe that a week ago we determined this to be a crackpot. Iron rich olivine basalt is my blind guess at what it may be. I have some somewhere. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory239iteme38683982rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: New Smallest, Possibly Earth-like, Extra-Solar Plane...
Hi, Jerry, Because of their low temperatures, these stars are brighter in the infrared than visible light. That is how they were discovered by 2MASS. The problem is determining their distance. Is this or that super-faint object near or far? Many conventional means of estimating distance from optical properties fail in the case of the super dim star. Their stellar atmospheres are actually dusty! We can't get good spectra because their visible light emissions are dimmer than what the biggest optical telescopes can pick up. These are very difficult objects to observe. The surveys we're talking about here were undertaken with the biggest telescopes at the very limit of their light-gathering power. Distances are the hardest piece of information to come up with for these stars. We could have already discovered a nearby one and not even know it's nearby! A nearby star could be in any direction, so it means looking at the entire sky, everywhere. There is another way to measure the distance to a star, the oldest method of all. Chart everything, wait six months until we're on the other side of the Earth's orbit, chart everything again, and see if anybody has moved! This is the parallax method. Back in 1838 a German astromer named Bessel noticed that a double star, 61 Cygni, made a little loop in its sky position, one loop every year, and was able to measure the distance to the star. www.noao.edu/outreach/nop/nophigh/steve9.html Turns out 61 Cygni's the 11th nearest star at 11.1 light years. In 1989-1993, the Hipparchos satellite did this same thing with an eccentric orbit of its own for 118,000 visible light stars but nobody's done it in infrared, at least, I don't think so. Then, there's proper motion studies. Because stars close together are all moving at slightly different speeds in slightly different directions and will in time change their sky positions as seen by their neighbors, not in little annual loops, but in a constant continuing drift across the sky, called proper motion. The amount of proper motion doesn't correspond perfectly to the distance. The star with the greatest proper motion, dim little Barnard's Star, is the 2nd nearest star, but the nearest star, alpha Centauri, only has the 15th greatest proper motion, because we and it are moving in similar directtions and speeds. Actually, we're getting slowly closer to each other (but it's too long to wait -- build the starship!). And if a star was, by chance, moving more or less directly towards us, it would appear to have no proper motion (side to side) at all! Sneaky! In the nineteen century, astromers were always invoking a passing star as a cause of things they couldn't explain, so in this last century, the notion of nearby stars getting close to us fell into disfavor. However, since the computer and all that number crunching power, it turns out that other nearby stars do intrude on our little Solar neighborhood all the time. 7,000,000 years ago, the giant star Algol made a pass of the Sun that probably stirred up our Oort Cloud of comets. In less than 1,000,000 years from now, Gliese 710 is going to plow right through our Oort Cloud, passing the Sun at only 69,000 AU (about a lightyear) away. Right now, the nearest star is little dim Proxima Centauri, a companion of Alpha Centauri A and B, but in 33,000 years, Ross 248 will have drifted closer. Over the next 45,000 years, six other neighboring stars will be passing closer than Proxima, each taking their turn as the nearest star. Not to worry, not real close, just closer than Proxima. In fact, Alpha Centauri A and B is getting closer all the time, and only about 50,000 AU separate the edge of its comet cloud from our comet cloud. Eventually, they will merge. (If you were a good comet jumper, you could get to the next star this way. Take a long time, though...) I found a paper out there by a guy that claims that alpha Centauri A B is already influencing our comet cloud, based on the orientation of new comets. The Hipparcos data suggest we have about 2.5 encounters with other stars every million years! Not to be completely Sun-centered, somebody did a paper, calculating close encounters for other big stars in our neightbor, like Vega, and found they all have close passes with their local small stars, just as we do, never closer than a comet ruffler in 10,000,000 years. Of course, a big infall of comets is no joke. Just ask the dinosaurs. Then, there's the recent discovery of the Kuiper Belt Object named Sedna, It has a very eccentric orbit and attempts to model how it could have been perturbed into that orbit by Neptune, and so forth, have all come up with no good answer. Maybe a passing star kicked it around. With 2.5 passes per million years (that's 2500 passes per billion years), one might have come close enough to boot Sedna into a high eccentricity orbit. Turns out there's another KBO,
Re: [meteorite-list] What is It?
Slow down Dave, I didn't say it is a winner; I just don't know what it is. I can't seem to get the picture back up (I think the auction has been cancelled), but it looked to me like all the phases were very coarsely crystalline. In this case, metal or no metal, it couldn't be a basalt (which is by definition aphanitic except for possible phenocrysts). With slower crystallization, you can get gabbros and other coarsely crystalline ultramafics with segregated sulfides, but once again, the rapid crystallization leading to basalt formation has little chance to segregate anything beyond micro-blebs of sulfide. I can't believe it could be a basalt. Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geeze Norm, I better buy it! I see 420 others have seen the auction and no one has bid yet. I have seen olivine basalt's with free iron flakes . and larger courtesy: Wind River glacial till, and yes they do look like meteorites but one highly respected meteorite person noted mine was not meteorite but an interesting wrong! Won't discuss my career here but I have 15 years of Rocky Mountain geology experience in the field.long before I discovered meteorites were cool. Look closely at the pictures, these are flakes and may not even be iron, or even metal for that matter. Olivine flakes will lay like that sometimes even, comes from very slow igneous cooling. This rock could even be metamorphic in origin for all we know. . Back about 1999 one of my iron specked olivine basalt's went to Bob Haag and from him, bypassed his discard pile and was sent over to ASU for a second look before determination of a very rich iron-olivine basalt. Tell me that if this was really a meteorite that the seller with a feed back of 75% and only sold three Canyon Diablo' s is a meteorite expert. I go with a real meteorite and a real person going to a real meteorite dealer and phony going with phony and going to eBay. Doh, Dave pebble-pup. Norm Lehrman wrote: Dave, In a career working frequently with basalts, I've never seen megascopic free metal. I also have never heard of the same. Basalts are, by nature, iron rich, but for all practical purposes, most of the iron is present in silicate phases. This thing isn't a basalt. I don't have any better ideas. I think it might be what the seller claims it to be Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that a week ago we determined this to be a crackpot. Iron rich olivine basalt is my blind guess at what it may be. I have some somewhere. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6538683982rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magma Oceans Sloshed Across Early Asteroids
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:37:49 -0700 (PDT), Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7522 Magma oceans sloshed across early asteroids Jeff Hecht New Scientist June 15, 2005 Oceans of molten rock, or magma, covered some asteroids in the early solar system, reveals a new study of meteorites. But researchers are still puzzled over why other asteroids apparently did not melt at all. Here's a different article on the same paper but giving a different twist-- that the Earth could be made up largely from asteroids that had already melted, differentiated, and had much of the lighter crust blasted away before being incorporated into the growing Earth. Which would give the Earth a different overall composition than the full solar composition (even for non-volitiles). I don't know what to think of that, though, because you'd think that that lighter crustal material blasted off the bigger asteroids that made up the Earth would have ended up becoming part of the Earth anyway, just not all in one big chunk. http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/melted_asteroids.html?1562005 Earth Formed from Melted Asteroids Summary - (Jun 15, 2005) Many of the Earth's volcanic rocks might have come from melted asteroids, according to researchers from the UK's Open University. The scientists have discovered that many early asteroids were quite volcanic and would have had large magma oceans. These asteroids would have become layered with lighter rock forming near the surface while denser rocks were deeper inside. The Earth probably grew from the accumulation of these melted asteroids. Full Story - The image above is a false color view of the asteroid 951 Gaspra taken by the Galileo spacecraft. Image credit: NASA/JPL. Click to enlarge. Important new research documenting how the Earth formed from melted asteroids 4.5 billion years ago is published in the 16 June issue of Nature. The paper was written by Dr Richard Greenwood and Dr Ian Franchi of the Open Universitys Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute (PSSRI). This research is important, Dr Greenwood says, because it demonstrates that events and processes on asteroids during the birth of the Solar System determined the present-day composition of our Earth. Immediately following the formation of our Solar System 4.5 billion years ago, small planetary bodies formed, with some melting to produce volcanic and related rocks. The OU researchers analysed meteorites to see how processes on asteroids may have contributed to the formation of Earth. In their paper Widespread magma oceans on asteroidal bodies in the early Solar System Drs Greenwood and Franchi show that some asteroids experienced large-scale melting, with the formation of deep magma oceans. Such melted asteroids would have become layered with lighter rock forming near the surface, while denser rocks were deeper in the interior. Since large bodies, such as Earth, grew by incorporation of many such smaller bodies these important results shed new light on the processes involved in building planets. The researchers suggest that in the chaotic, impact-rich environment of the early Solar System, significant amounts of the outer layers of these melted asteroids would have been removed prior to becoming part of the growing Earth. This process is a better explanation for the composition of the Earth than earlier theories which called for large amounts of light elements in the Earths dense core, or unknown precursor materials. The Open University researchers point to recent astronomical observations which show that these processes are also important in other planetary systems, such as that around the star Beta Pictoris. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] What is It?
Hi List. Checkout this great meteorwrong page. - See Item #34, terrestrial basalt conglomerate. Cut that and polish it, and it would probably look better than the slab this idiot has. It even looks like there is sulfur in his slab, and if you look close, there are holes, or vesicles in the matrix. That would mean a slice of pig iron (steel smelting slag), would it not? #17 is also a ringer for another rock this fraud has on another auction. I have had email discussions with him before when he was selling moon rocks he found in his yard This dude is definitely 28 days short of a full month. He cannot spell, and his conversations are not legible let him pass in the wind. CharlyV http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/meteorwrongs.h tm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norm Lehrman Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:01 PM To: Dave Freeman mjwy; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is It? Slow down Dave, I didn't say it is a winner; I just don't know what it is. I can't seem to get the picture back up (I think the auction has been cancelled), but it looked to me like all the phases were very coarsely crystalline. In this case, metal or no metal, it couldn't be a basalt (which is by definition aphanitic except for possible phenocrysts). With slower crystallization, you can get gabbros and other coarsely crystalline ultramafics with segregated sulfides, but once again, the rapid crystallization leading to basalt formation has little chance to segregate anything beyond micro-blebs of sulfide. I can't believe it could be a basalt. Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geeze Norm, I better buy it! I see 420 others have seen the auction and no one has bid yet. I have seen olivine basalt's with free iron flakes . and larger courtesy: Wind River glacial till, and yes they do look like meteorites but one highly respected meteorite person noted mine was not meteorite but an interesting wrong! Won't discuss my career here but I have 15 years of Rocky Mountain geology experience in the field.long before I discovered meteorites were cool. Look closely at the pictures, these are flakes and may not even be iron, or even metal for that matter. Olivine flakes will lay like that sometimes even, comes from very slow igneous cooling. This rock could even be metamorphic in origin for all we know. . Back about 1999 one of my iron specked olivine basalt's went to Bob Haag and from him, bypassed his discard pile and was sent over to ASU for a second look before determination of a very rich iron-olivine basalt. Tell me that if this was really a meteorite that the seller with a feed back of 75% and only sold three Canyon Diablo' s is a meteorite expert. I go with a real meteorite and a real person going to a real meteorite dealer and phony going with phony and going to eBay. Doh, Dave pebble-pup. Norm Lehrman wrote: Dave, In a career working frequently with basalts, I've never seen megascopic free metal. I also have never heard of the same. Basalts are, by nature, iron rich, but for all practical purposes, most of the iron is present in silicate phases. This thing isn't a basalt. I don't have any better ideas. I think it might be what the seller claims it to be Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that a week ago we determined this to be a crackpot. Iron rich olivine basalt is my blind guess at what it may be. I have some somewhere. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Anyone checked this out in person? Any idea what it is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6538683982 rd=1 -Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Mesosiderite, Mesosiderite, and more Mesosiderites!
Hi all! We have just listed several really beautiful, metal rich mesosiderites starting at under $3/gram. They range in size from 35 grams up to a whopping 860 grams! This meso has awesome, big metal nodules and tons of metal. They are worth a look even if you're not in the market. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540117847ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540115402ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540116837ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Cheers -John Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Mesosiderite, Mesosiderite, and more Mesosiderites!
Dear John and list members, I would like this opportunity to make sure everyone knows that the mesosiderite, NWA 2711, I just announced today and the one John announced right after ours are NOT paired. NWA 2711 is very fresh and even had some thick black crust visible before cutting. I have seen the mesosiderite John announced in Morocco on recent trips and there is a LOT of it, most pieces very badly weathered. I am not trying to start something here, just clarifying any future questions that may arise from two separate meso's being offered on the same day. There is no comparing the beauty and price of our unique, classified, fresh and expertly prepared mesosiderite, NWA 2711 to the other one. As Dr. Ted Bunch of NAU stated, This (NWA 2711) is a very unique Mesosiderite. NWA 2711 can be seen under my eBay seller name, naturesvault. Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 - Original Message - From: Arizona Skies Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Mesosiderite, Mesosiderite,and more Mesosiderites! Hi all! We have just listed several really beautiful, metal rich mesosiderites starting at under $3/gram. They range in size from 35 grams up to a whopping 860 grams! This meso has awesome, big metal nodules and tons of metal. They are worth a look even if you're not in the market. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540117847ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540115402ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6540116837ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Cheers -John Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
