[meteorite-list] AD: A FINAL CHANCE-LOWEST PRICES

[RYAN PAWELSKI]

Good Evening Folks, 

A final chance with rock-bottom prices before these pieces head for the Denver 
Mineral Show. This will have to be a quick sale through the weekend (at 
best), before I have to send them on they're way Colorado. 

Alfianello 15g Wedge (one crusted edge) $810-$100 OFF = $710

Beardsley 1.8g Crusted Micromount $54- $10 OFF= $44

Mocs 62.2g Individual $948-$125 OFF= $823

Spade 40g Part-Slice $240-$25 OFF= $215

First come, first served. Please email for photos. Priority Mail shipping is 
FREE and I do accept Paypal.  Thank you.

kind Regards,

Ryan 

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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - September 9, 2005

[Ron Baalke]

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Moonstruck - sol 591-598, Sept 09, 2005:

Spirit is in good health, power positive, and has no issues. This week
the telecom team changed Spirit's uplink rate from 1000 bits per second
to 2000 bits per second. In its orbit around the Sun, Mars comes close
to Earth for a few months once every two years. Mars is now close enough
to Earth that the one-way communication travel time from the spacecraft
at Mars to the Deep Space Network antennas on Earth is only about 5
minutes away (at light speed). This shorter communication travel time
means that the rover team has plenty of communication-link margin to
support the higher uplink rate. The new uplink rate was successful
during the sol 598 uplink session.

Between Sept. 2 and Sept. 8, Spirit drove to another imaging location
and completed the second stereo imaging campaign. Spirit returned to
"Irvine" in order to explore what might be a dike, which is a crack-like
cut that often forms when magma from a volcano travels through or over
another rock. Spirit also performed more observations of the moons
Phobos and Deimos, and completed three days of Moessbauer spectrometer
readings on the capture magnets.

Sol-by-sol summaries:

Sol 592 (Sept. 2, 2005): Spirit drove to the second hilltop location for
stereo imaging.

Sol 593: Spirit performed remote sensing observations.

Sol 594 and 595: On both sols, Spirit performed a Moessbauer spectrometer
reading on a capture magnet, observed Phobos and Deimos, and did stereo
imaging.

Sol 596: Spirit performed a Moessbauer spectrometer reading on a capture
magnet and took images with 13 filters on the panoramic camera.

Sol 597: Spirit finished the panoramic camera imaging. Spirit used the
microscopic imager to take pictures of the capture and filter magnets,
and used the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer on the capture magnet.

Sol 598: Spirit drove back to Irvine.

As of the end of sol 598, (Sept. 8, 2005), Spirit has driven 4,895
meters (3.04 miles).


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[meteorite-list] Study Indicates Ceres May Have Water-Ice Mantle

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.swri.org/9what/releases/2005/ceres.htm
  
Study indicates largest body in asteroid belt may have water-ice mantle
Southwest Research Institute (SwRI) News
September 8, 2005

Boulder, Colo. -- September 8, 2005 -- A new study of Ceres, the largest
known object in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, shows
evidence of a planet-like round shape and a surprisingly complex
internal structure, with a rocky core possibly surrounded by a mantle
rich in water-ice.

The study, to be reported September 8 in a letter to the journal Nature
by investigators from Cornell University, Southwest Research Institute
(SwRI), the University of Maryland, University of California at Los
Angeles and the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Ariz., used
Hubble Space Telescope images made during observations in December 2003
and January 2004 to examine surface features of the asteroid in
reflected sunlight, study its rotational properties and search for any
small moons. The paper is led by Dr. Peter C. Thomas of the Center for
Radiophysics and Space Research at Cornell University. The project was
funded by NASA through the Space Telescope Science Institute.

"This is the first time we have seen Ceres in such detail and can even
say something about its interior," said the project team's leader, Dr.
Joel Parker, assistant director of SwRI's Space Studies Department. "You
can watch it rotate in our observations, and you get the feeling of it
being a whole new world, not just a bit of rocky debris."

Differences in surface features among asteroids preserve a record of how
the asteroid belt evolved between the earliest days of the solar system
and about 4.6 billion years ago, when Jupiter's growing gravitational
pull halted the accretion of bodies in the asteroid belt.

Some asteroids, like 4 Vesta, the second-most massive body in the
asteroid belt, have a crust, mantle and core, indicating that they
experienced sufficient thermal evolution to differentiate into layered
structures.

Other asteroids appear more homogeneous, similar to carbonaceous
meteorites that have undergone only minimal thermal processing. In the
past, Ceres -- about the size of Texas at 580 miles across -- was placed
in this latter category, in part because of its low density, its low
albedo or heat signature, and its relatively featureless visible
reflectance.

However, the new study indicates that Ceres' round shape and smoothness
resemble more that of a gravitationally relaxed object, or one whose
shape is determined by hydrostatic equilibrium. If so, it would be the
only asteroid thus far to be characterized in that way. Also, its shape
is more flattened than would be expected of a homogeneous object, but
consistent with a central mass concentration indicating a layered makeup.

The relaxed state, differentiated structure and mean density observed on
Ceres strongly suggest water-ice as the primary mantle constituent.
Unlike the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn, however, the higher heating
available at Ceres' distance from the sun makes water-ice unstable at
the surface. If water-ice has been at the surface of Ceres, it may
currently hide just below a thin residual layer of clay and dark
carbonaceous materials.

Editors: A movie showing the rotation of Ceres is available at
http://www.swri.org/press/2005/ceres.htm .

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[meteorite-list] Work Continues on the Solar System's Three Recently Discovered Kuiper Belt Objects

[Ron Baalke]

http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR12734.html   
 
Work Continues on the Solar System's Three Recently Discovered Objects
Caltech News Release
September 8, 2005

CAMBRIDGE, England--When planetary scientists announced on July 29 that
they had discovered a new planet larger than Pluto, the news
overshadowed the two other objects the group had also found. But all
three objects are odd additions to the solar system, and as such could
revolutionize our understanding of how our part of the celestial
neighborhood evolved.

To the discoverers, the objects still go by the unofficial code-names
"Santa," "Easterbunny," and "Xena," though they are officially known to
the International Astronomical Union as 2003 EL61, 2005 FY9, and 2003
UB313. The three objects were all detected with the 48-inch Samuel
Oschin Telescope at Palomar Observatory by a team composed of planetary
scientists from the California Institute of Technology, the Gemini
Observatory, and Yale University. Xena is the object the group describes
as one of sufficient size to be called the tenth planet.

"All three objects are nearly Pluto-sized or larger, and all are in
elliptical orbits tilted out of the plane of the solar system," says
Mike Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at Caltech and leader of
the effort.

"We think that these orbital characteristics may mean that they were all
formed closer to the sun, and then were tossed around by the giant
planets before they ended up with the odd orbits they currently have,"
Brown adds.

The other two members of the team are Chad Trujillo, a former
postdoctoral researcher at Caltech and currently an astronomer at the
Gemini Observatory in Hawaii, and David Rabinowitz of Yale University.
Trujillo has led the spectrographic studies of the discoveries, while
Rabinowitz is one of the builders of the instrument affixed to the
Oschin Telescope for the study, and has led the effort to understand the
color and spin of the objects.

Santa, Easterbunny, and Xena are all members of the Kuiper belt, a
region beyond the orbit of Neptune that for decades was merely a
hypothetical construct based on the behavior of comets, among other
factors. But astronomers began detecting objects in the mid-1990s, and
the Kuiper belt was suddenly a reality rather than a hypothesis.

Xena, which is currently about 97 astronomical units from the sun (an
astronomical unit being the 93-million-mile distance between the sun and
Earth), is at least the size of Pluto and almost certainly significantly
larger. The researchers are able to determine its smallest possible size
because, thanks to the laws of motion, they know very accurately the
distance of the planet from the sun. And because they also know very
precisely how much light the planet gives off, they can also calculate
the diameter of the planet as if it were reflecting sunlight as a
uniformly white ball in the sky. Hence, a perfectly round mirror at that
distance would be the size of Pluto.

However, the question remains how well the new planet reflects light.
The less reflective its surface, the bigger it must be to put out enough
light to be detected here on Earth.

At any rate, the researchers hope that infrared data returned by the
Spitzer Space Telescope over the weekend of August 27-28, in addition to
recently obtained data from the 30-meter IRAM telescope in Spain, will
help nail down Xena's size. In much the same way that the detected
visible light sets a lower limit on the diameter, the infrared radiation
detected by the Spitzer will ideally set an upper limit. That's because
the Spitzer is capable of measuring the total amount of heat given off
by the planet; and because the researchers know the likely surface
temperature is about 405 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, they can infer
the overall size of the body.

Brown predicts that Xena will likely be highly reflective, because the
spectrographic data gathered by his colleague and codiscoverer Chad
Trujillo at the Gemini Observatory show the surface to have a similar
composition to that of the highly reflective Pluto. If indeed Xena
reflects 70 percent of the sunlight reaching it, as does Pluto, then
Xena is about 2700 kilometers in diameter.

And then there's the matter of naming the new planet, which is pretty
much in the hands of the International Astronomical Union. Brown says
the matter is in "committee limbo": while one IAU committee is taking
its time deciding whether or not it is a planet, other committees have
to wait until they know what it is before they can consider a name. So
for the time being, the discoverers keep calling the new planet Xena,
though the name will sooner or later change.

The second of the objects, currently nicknamed Santa because Brown and
his colleagues found it on December 28, 2004, is one of the more bizarre
objects in the solar system, according to Rabinowitz. His observations
from a small telescope in Chile show that Santa is a fast-rotating
cigar-shaped body that is abo

[meteorite-list] FAA Investigates Another Piece Of Mysterious Falling Ice in California

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4948785/detail.html  

FAA Investigates Another Piece Of Mysterious Falling Ice

Man Believes Ice Fell On His Home From Air Traffic Overhead

NBC 4 TV News
September 8, 2005

FONTANA, Calif. -- Federal air safety officials are investigating
another possible case of something falling from an airplane onto a house
in Moreno Valley.

This time, it is expected that that chunk of ice may have fallen off an
airplane onto a house.

>From the inside of the Peter Carlucci home, there is a barely visible
patch of water damage on the ceiling. But there was no mistaking the
earth-shattering noise.

"It shook the house. I came home and took a look. I didn't see anything.
And then, a neighbor of mine pointed out I had a hole in the roof,"
Carlucci said.

When Carlucci climbed on his roof to investigate, he found smashed clay
tiles and a gaping 3-foot hole. The plywood was splintered and the attic
insulation was soaking wet.

"I think it's a piece of ice or something from a plane that flies from
air traffic overhead," Carlucci said.

He believes he is a victim of falling ice, like Johnny Worthy was in
Fontana previously. The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating
where a large ice ball could have come from that smashed into Worthy's
living room last month.

Like Carlucci, Worthy is near the flight pattern of a major airport.

"They come overhead all day at a high altitude, on the way to LAX
Airport. They could have fallen off the plane, I'm not sure," Carlucci said.

While the FAA investigates, Carlucci is relieved that the mystery object
fell on the roof and not on his children. The FAA is investigating the
origin of the ice. Pilots told NBC4 that it is not uncommon for ice to
form on parts of the aircraft at high altitudes.

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite collection SOLD

[meteoritehunter]

Well, it is official, I have sold my entire meteorite collection to none other 
than Matt Morgan. We spent last night in Denver going through the collection 
and setting it up at Matt's home. I still have a few pieces, but not much. 
Panama, here I come!
Here is a photo of Matt and I setting up his case with all his new meteorites. 
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/matt_mike.jpg.

I will be back in Denver next week, prowling around the show there, so I hope 
to see many of you there. 
Mike Farmer




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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Martin Altmann]

>Meteorites are expensive

Not at all. What would be a maximum selling price for a 150kg
Sikhote-shrapnel?
Like an acceptable Darjeeling Tea? 30$/kg
Like prosciutto di Parma?  40$/kg
Like a good malt whisky?  50$/kg
Like a lobster? 60$/kg
Like truffles? 2000$/kg (wow, I'm in the wrong branch. Hl piggy, heel!)
Like Beluga caviar? 3000$/kg
Like mouse milk (for 1kg you need 4000 mice)?  50.000$/kg

All that I can eat in a few weeks, but a meteorite lasts a whole live long.
Gosh meteorites are so rare, but so dirt cheap in the last years.

Except the New Orleans fall! 5.8grams! - Better buy some more tickets for
the raffle!!!
Buckleboo

PS: A) their fault
  B) doesn't matter, a good is a good.
  C) who knows? That could be an issue.
  D) see above

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From: "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized


> > Gosh - alcool and cigarettes, gas ect. I can understand, because of the
> high
> > differences in the height of taxes, but meteorites?
> > If I get a parcel from elsewhere outside from EU and the customs takes a
> > look inside, I have to pay normal VAT of 16%, no matter what stuff it
is.
> > Well I heard, that some people are consuming meteorites, but it's not
> > directly a drug,
> > nor do exist special laws for them in Schengen-country.
>
> When I thinked about this a little longet than 5 mili seconds, customs
have
> strong reasons.
>
> A) material was hidden and not declared.
> B) this was not 5kg Sikhote. There was specimens for half ton !
> C) specimens with numbers, so this show clear that comes from any official
> collection/museims and not from field.
> D) meteorites are expensive so this was a big smugglers event.
>
>
>
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Meteoryt.net]

> Gosh - alcool and cigarettes, gas ect. I can understand, because of the
high
> differences in the height of taxes, but meteorites?
> If I get a parcel from elsewhere outside from EU and the customs takes a
> look inside, I have to pay normal VAT of 16%, no matter what stuff it is.
> Well I heard, that some people are consuming meteorites, but it's not
> directly a drug,
> nor do exist special laws for them in Schengen-country.

When I thinked about this a little longet than 5 mili seconds, customs have
strong reasons.

A) material was hidden and not declared.
B) this was not 5kg Sikhote. There was specimens for half ton !
C) specimens with numbers, so this show clear that comes from any official
collection/museims and not from field.
D) meteorites are expensive so this was a big smugglers event.



-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM +48(607)535 195
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Re: [meteorite-list] PV and Lunar-New Photos and Links

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, Martin

The other motions you are seeing are
NUTATION and
LIBRATION.

The Moon has a very complex set of motions
about the Earth. These allow us to see "over the edges"
and actually view, however obliquely, more than
the 50% you'd think we could. The Moon "nods" its
head and turns side to side as it approaches and
recedes from the Earth.

The complexity of the Moon's motion has been a
boon to the development of celecstial mechanics over
the last three centuries. The ultimate statement of an
orbit is called the Time Equation, which will allow us
to predict the exact position and motion of a body
at a given point in time, past or future.

Because the Time Equation for the Moon is
decidedly difficult, trying to work it out has sharpened
the wits of celectial mechanics for several centuries.
Without the Moon's complex behavior to explain,
we wouldn't know as much as we do about celestial
motion calculation.

Writing the time equation of the Moon's orbit is
perhaps the most daunting task that faced applied
mathematics in the past few centuries. The last word
in this immense job is the work of E. W. Brown and
W. J. Eckert, Brown working on paper for his entire
life and Eckert applying the Brown equation to execution
with early computers.

"Since 1923 the work of E W Brown has
constituted the basis for the published ephemerides
of the moon. His monumental calculation, which
occupied most of his lifetime, consists of two distinct
steps. The first is the development of the theory or
the solution of the differential equations of motion
expressing the coordinates of the moon as explicit
functions of time. Secondly, in order to reduce the
necessary labor involved in computing the coordinates
of the moon for any given date from these formulae,
Brown computed from his theory a set of Tables
which, including the necessary explanations, comprise
over 650 large quarto pages. ... In order to bring
the Tables within even their present length, various
parts of the basic equations were curtailed whenever
permissible in the light of observational requirements
(as then visualised). However by the 1950s it was
realised that the Tables were not accurate enough.
Eckert therefore decided not to recompute new tables
but to compute the ephemeris directly from Brown's
equations. The task was immense for,  Brown's
formulae involved some 1,650 trigonometric terms,
many of them with variable coefficients. The accuracy
of Eckert's calculations of the Moon's orbit was so
good that in 1965 he was able to correctly show
that there was a concentration of mass near the lunar
surface. In 1967 he produced theoretical work which
improved on Brown's theory of the Moon."

The Eckert program is so immense that until recently
it took WEEKS of computer time to run. In 1997, both
the Brown equation (published in seven volumes! Brown,
Ernest, W. Tables of the Motion of the Moon, Yale Univ.
Press, 1919) and the Eckert revision were run checked
on supercomputers that were able to zip through them
in ONLY 17 hours of continuous operation! Only two
totally trivial errors were found in Brown's lifelong work
and only one (misprint) in Eckert's computer program.

The second most daunting task is Milancovitch's
calculation of the changes in the Earth's orbit with time
and its climatological consequences (the Ice Ages),
again done entirely "on paper" (without any mistakes)
and occupying his entire working life time.

The original animation, much larger, was an APOD
some years ago, but I can't find it in their index.


Sterling K. Webb
see:  
-
"Martin H." wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> I was looking at your Dhofar 1180 page:
>
> http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/Lunar.htm
>
> And was intrigued by the moon phase gif. On my
> computer it was cycling faster than once per second.
>
> At this speed, it is obvious there is other motion and
> rotation active in the composite. Forgetting about
> other photography//computer issues, it appears, taking
> the gif at face value of course, that one can easily
> see some rolling back and forth of the visible lunar
> surface, some precession, and some distance changing
> between the earth (photographer) and the moon.
>
> Just an early morning observation. Oh, great pics of
> great meteorites as well!
>
> Martin
>
> --- Robert Woolard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello List,
> >
> >   I have just updated my website with new photos and
> > links that I hope/believe a lot of you would find
> > interesting and enjoy seeing, even if you are not
> > presently looking to add to your collection. ( But
> > IF
> > you are, well, that would be fine, too. ;-)
> >
> >   I would welcome any thoughts or comments on the
> > new
> > photos and links.
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >   Robert Woolard
> >   http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tire

Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Martin Altmann]

Hehe, with the ownerless parcel, I'm sure you would have risen the finger in
the bus!

There are at least 3 meteorite sellers in Poland, Marcin.

Marcin Cimala, the polish polisher!
Andrzej Pilski, one of world's best iron preparator.
Slawomir Derecki, excellent jewelery. Not the stuff, where they just drill a
hole in a Sikhote, ready is the pendant and not that rings and bands, where
the gold plating will fall off after year from the Gibeon below.
He's an examined craftsman and artist, designs also according your own
propositions. Highly recommended!
Not to forget Gregor Pacer, sometimes selling also in Poland, who finally
discovered US-ebay, supplying the bidders with rare names.

Cheeers,
and don't forget to buy your tickets, folks!
Martin

My friend is a miner, he works in a hole.(a song I had to learn in my
english lessons)

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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:18 PM
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> > As Poland is part of the EU, I have no idea, why or that there should
> exist
> > an extra national law.
>
> Its my personal "maybe" opinion, but first time in january this was
> smuggling.
> In bus was parcell full of minerals and meteorites WITHOUT owner. Someone
> give driver parcel and someone in Berlin take it and pay to driver. So
when
> customs ask what it is, who is owner etc. noone answered so they take it.
> In march persons declared (the same border transit) that they have
> meteorites (train Moskva-Berlin). But customs then know, acha, meteorites,
> expensive things, some time ago we confiscated them, so why not this time
> :)))
>
> So finally customs now know more about meteorites, about their value
> (remember value of 1kg brahin 12.5K euro).
> I dont know if there is any special law that fit to meteorites and
minerals.
> I think they take any other laws.
> I really dont know. For us there is verry strange.
>
>
> > Uuuh, does that mean, if I'll decide to repatriate my Baszkowka slice to
> > Poland, because noone wanted to buy it, that they will throw me in
prison?
>
> Martin now You know why we are only 2 persons in Poland who sell
meteorites.
> Becouse we have hold all strings :)
> Every other dealers sit in prisons or work in deep mines looking for next
> lake murray.
>
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Meteoryt.net]

> As Poland is part of the EU, I have no idea, why or that there should
exist
> an extra national law.

Its my personal "maybe" opinion, but first time in january this was
smuggling.
In bus was parcell full of minerals and meteorites WITHOUT owner. Someone
give driver parcel and someone in Berlin take it and pay to driver. So when
customs ask what it is, who is owner etc. noone answered so they take it.
In march persons declared (the same border transit) that they have
meteorites (train Moskva-Berlin). But customs then know, acha, meteorites,
expensive things, some time ago we confiscated them, so why not this time
:)))

So finally customs now know more about meteorites, about their value
(remember value of 1kg brahin 12.5K euro).
I dont know if there is any special law that fit to meteorites and minerals.
I think they take any other laws.
I really dont know. For us there is verry strange.


> Uuuh, does that mean, if I'll decide to repatriate my Baszkowka slice to
> Poland, because noone wanted to buy it, that they will throw me in prison?

Martin now You know why we are only 2 persons in Poland who sell meteorites.
Becouse we have hold all strings :)
Every other dealers sit in prisons or work in deep mines looking for next
lake murray.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Darren Garrison]

(first post didn't seem to show up-- sorry if this is a repeat)

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:57:55 +0200, "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Where is the problem?
>Marcin, since when it's illegal to import meteorites to Poland?
>They should pay the taxes at customs and that's it.

In the book Meteorite Hunter it seemed that collecting Sikhote-Alin for 
exporting and selling was
strictly a black-market thing, officially disallowed by the Russian government 
(see page 80 if you
have a copy).  Has that situation changed since then?  If so, maybe that is the 
issue. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Martin Altmann]

Gosh - alcool and cigarettes, gas ect. I can understand, because of the high
differences in the height of taxes, but meteorites?
If I get a parcel from elsewhere outside from EU and the customs takes a
look inside, I have to pay normal VAT of 16%, no matter what stuff it is.
Well I heard, that some people are consuming meteorites, but it's not
directly a drug,
nor do exist special laws for them in Schengen-country.
(at customs office they are always a little desperate, because they don't
know to which kind of goods they should group meteorites for the paper work,
mostly, as I explain them, that they contain iron, they decide to number it
as industrial slag, waste).
As Poland is part of the EU, I have no idea, why or that there should exist
an extra national law.

Uuuh, does that mean, if I'll decide to repatriate my Baszkowka slice to
Poland, because noone wanted to buy it, that they will throw me in prison?
Marcin you have to promise to visit me there with a loaf of bread and a saw
made of ureilite inside

By the way, did I mention, that there will be raffle going on soon and that
there are some tiickets left?
Buckleboo!
Martin



- Original Message - 
From: "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized


> > Where is the problem?
>
> I have no idea :-/
>
> > Marcin, since when it's illegal to import meteorites to Poland?
> > They should pay the taxes at customs and that's it.
>
> I think they should first pay to customs oficers for not look inside truck
> :)
>
> This year its 3rd time when polish customs confiscated
> meteorites/fosils/minerals from people comes from east.
> January and March event hit one of our biggest Russina friend. First
customs
> holded parcel of fossils and meteorites in bus (destination Germany). Next
> time they hold minerals/fossils/meteorites (brahin, droninos, etc.) in
train
> Moscov-Berlin.
>
> "Specialist" from Warsaw say, that value of 1kg of Brahin is 50 000zl =
> 12.500euro :) No comment.
>
> So I suggest use post, DHL etc.
>
> Remember that Polish east border is east border of European Union so they
> are crazy there. Every unusual thing they find its propably thing that
> people from east try smuggle into EU territory and sell in Germany.
>
> I dont know what law was broken or what happend. Ofcourse this time
> specimens was hidden under quartzite. But first 2 events was different.
> Meteorites was declared to customs.
>
> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Meteoryt.net]

> Where is the problem?

I have no idea :-/

> Marcin, since when it's illegal to import meteorites to Poland?
> They should pay the taxes at customs and that's it.

I think they should first pay to customs oficers for not look inside truck
:)

This year its 3rd time when polish customs confiscated
meteorites/fosils/minerals from people comes from east.
January and March event hit one of our biggest Russina friend. First customs
holded parcel of fossils and meteorites in bus (destination Germany). Next
time they hold minerals/fossils/meteorites (brahin, droninos, etc.) in train
Moscov-Berlin.

"Specialist" from Warsaw say, that value of 1kg of Brahin is 50 000zl =
12.500euro :) No comment.

So I suggest use post, DHL etc.

Remember that Polish east border is east border of European Union so they
are crazy there. Every unusual thing they find its propably thing that
people from east try smuggle into EU territory and sell in Germany.

I dont know what law was broken or what happend. Ofcourse this time
specimens was hidden under quartzite. But first 2 events was different.
Meteorites was declared to customs.

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.PolandMET.com   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM +48(607)535 195
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:57:55 +0200, "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Where is the problem?
>Marcin, since when it's illegal to import meteorites to Poland?
>They should pay the taxes at customs and that's it.

In the book Meteorite Hunter it seemed that collecting Sikhote-Alin for 
exporting and selling was
strictly a black-market thing, officially disallowed by the Russian government 
(see page 80 if you
have a copy).  Has that situation changed since then?  If so, maybe that is the 
issue. 
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[meteorite-list] Polish Customs Seize Huge Haul of Meteorites Smuggled out of Russia

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/09/09/meteor.shtml 

Polish Customs Seize Huge Haul of Meteorites Smuggled out of Russia
MosNews
September 9, 2005

Customs officers in Dorohusk, on Poland's border with Ukraine, have made
an unusual seizure, confiscating nearly 530kg of meteorites they found
hidden in a Russian-registered truck, the AFP reported on Friday citing
local officials.

"In total, 529.5kg of meteorites were confiscated, including three very
big ones, weighing 176 kilos, 150 kilos and 80 kilos," Poland's customs
service said in a statement.

"They probably came from the same place in Siberia where a meteorite
crashed in 1947," the statement said.

According to the truck's payload ledgers, its cargo was quartzite, a
tough stone composed almost entirely of quartz grains, derived from
sandstone. The truck was bound for the Czech Republic.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Martin Altmann]

Where is the problem?
Marcin, since when it's illegal to import meteorites to Poland?
They should pay the taxes at customs and that's it.

Meow!

Tiiickets, tickets, tckets!   Sooon will be deadline!
Buy Tiickets!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Chauncey Walden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized


> Just in from a South African newspaper:
>

> byline Warsaw
> Customs officers in Dorohusk, on Poland's border with Ukraine, have made
> an unusual seizure, confiscating nearly 530kg of meteorites they found
> hidden on a Russian-registered truck, officials said on Friday.
>
> "In total, 529,5kg of meteorites were confiscated, including three very
> big ones, weighing 176 kilos, 150 kilos and 80 kilos," Poland's customs
> service said in a statement.
>
> "They probably came from the same place in Siberia where a meteorite
> crashed in 1947," the statement said.
>
> According to the truck's payload ledgers, its cargo was quartzite, a
> tough stone composed almost entirely of quartz grains, derived from
> sandstone. The truck was bound for the Czech Republic.
> Chauncey
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RE: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Pete Pete]

I guess they should have said it was scrap metal, instead of quartz! ;]

This should drive the price up a bit, eh?

Cheers,
Pete


From: Chauncey Walden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 


Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:12:00 -0600

Just in from a South African newspaper:

byline Warsaw
Customs officers in Dorohusk, on Poland's border with Ukraine, have made an 
unusual seizure, confiscating nearly 530kg of meteorites they found hidden 
on a Russian-registered truck, officials said on Friday.


"In total, 529,5kg of meteorites were confiscated, including three very big 
ones, weighing 176 kilos, 150 kilos and 80 kilos," Poland's customs service 
said in a statement.


"They probably came from the same place in Siberia where a meteorite crashed 
in 1947," the statement said.


According to the truck's payload ledgers, its cargo was quartzite, a tough 
stone composed almost entirely of quartz grains, derived from sandstone. The 
truck was bound for the Czech Republic.

Chauncey

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[meteorite-list] Sikhote' s seized

[Chauncey Walden]

Just in from a South African newspaper:

byline Warsaw
Customs officers in Dorohusk, on Poland's border with Ukraine, have made 
an unusual seizure, confiscating nearly 530kg of meteorites they found 
hidden on a Russian-registered truck, officials said on Friday.


"In total, 529,5kg of meteorites were confiscated, including three very 
big ones, weighing 176 kilos, 150 kilos and 80 kilos," Poland's customs 
service said in a statement.


"They probably came from the same place in Siberia where a meteorite 
crashed in 1947," the statement said.


According to the truck's payload ledgers, its cargo was quartzite, a 
tough stone composed almost entirely of quartz grains, derived from 
sandstone. The truck was bound for the Czech Republic.

Chauncey

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Re: [meteorite-list] PV and Lunar-New Photos and Links

[Martin H.]

Hi Robert,

I was looking at your Dhofar 1180 page:

http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/Lunar.htm

And was intrigued by the moon phase gif. On my
computer it was cycling faster than once per second. 

At this speed, it is obvious there is other motion and
rotation active in the composite. Forgetting about
other photography//computer issues, it appears, taking
the gif at face value of course, that one can easily
see some rolling back and forth of the visible lunar
surface, some precession, and some distance changing
between the earth (photographer) and the moon.

Just an early morning observation. Oh, great pics of
great meteorites as well!

Martin



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> 
>   I have just updated my website with new photos and
> links that I hope/believe a lot of you would find
> interesting and enjoy seeing, even if you are not
> presently looking to add to your collection. ( But
> IF
> you are, well, that would be fine, too. ;-)
> 
>   I would welcome any thoughts or comments on the
> new
> photos and links.
> 
>   Best wishes,
>   Robert Woolard 
>   http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com
>   
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Police seize meteorites

[McCartney Taylor]

Looks like some SA got seized in Poland.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/other_
news/&articleid=250483

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[meteorite-list] OT. Complex 13 and ET foam

[Kevin Forbes]

Perhaps NASA could raise funds for their homeless workers by selling bits of 
complex 13, or funds for Katrina relief, in a hurry.
Why don't they wrap the ET tank where the foam breaks away with very light 
and super strong, carbon fibre sheets? I know I don't know a lot about 
intricate problems that I am not involved with. I am sure someone has a 
brilliant response to the ET tank statement. Kevin, VK3UKF.



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[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Launch Delayed to Fall 2006 ??

[Paul H]

Storm left space agency 'beaten up' 
Many workers at 2 shuttle facilities are now 
homeless, By MARK CARREAU, Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3345948

+

Hurricane Damage May Delay Launch of Shuttle 
>From Associated Press, September 9, 2005 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-shuttle9sep09,1,3156457.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

"Griffin downplayed an internal memo written Sept. 1 
by acting shuttle program manager N. Wayne Hale Jr., 
who indicated that a launch before fall 2006 might not

be possible given the hurricane damage and the 
ongoing effort to prevent foam insulation from falling

off shuttle fuel tanks."



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[meteorite-list] 2 New Desert Irons - WITH Pictures links

[Greg Hupe]

Dear List Members,

I would like to share pictures of two new Sahara Desert irons I brought back 
from my last trip. One may be paired to NWA 854 "Ziz" and weighs 2016 grams 
(picture 'desertIron1.jpg'). It is very fresh, flow lines and crust are 
visible, along with a bluish hue to the entire specimen.

See here: http://www.lunarrock.com/irons/desertIron1.jpg

The other one, which I was told came from Algeria or Mauritania, is quite 
"sculptural" and stands up by itself. This one has been in the desert longer 
but is a great display piece. I do not know what type of iron meteorite this 
is and do not plan to cut or even polish a window for a look. This one 
weighs 5045 grams (picture 'desertIron2.jpg').

See here: http://www.lunarrock.com/irons/desertIron2.jpg

I will not be cutting either one. Enjoy the pics. Sorry about the first 
lost, I accidentally "attached" the photos instead of providing links.


Best regards,

Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
naturesvault (eBay)
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IMCA 2185

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[meteorite-list] Launch complex 13 comes down

[Kevin Forbes]

Hi all,
Launch complex 13 at Cape Canaveral has been demolished, a tad overdue, 
since it has not been used since 1978. Launch complex 13 was used to launch 
Lunar Orbiter missions as well as Atlas/Agena flights. May I suggest to 
NASA, that instead of dumping it all in a landfill, key components be cut up 
and auctioned on eBay. The funds raised would supply coffee and doughnuts at 
CAPCOM for years.

:-P
Kevin, VK3UKF.


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[meteorite-list] Launch complex 13 comes down

[Kevin Forbes]

Hi all,
Launch complex 13 at Cape Canaveral has been demolished, a tad overdue, 
since it has not been used since 1978. Launch complex 13 was used to launch 
Lunar Orbiter missions as well as Atlas/Agena flights. May I suggest to 
NASA, that instead of dumping it all in a landfill, key components be cut up 
and auctioned on eBay. The funds raised would supply coffee and doughnuts at 
CAPCOM for years.

:-P
Kevin, VK3UKF.


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