Re: [meteorite-list] NWA paying for terrorism?
For anyone new to the list- Sit back, grab a bucket o' corn, and put the babies to bed. Pelisson's vs. The World 2005 Let's...get...ready... to RBLE Disclaimer: The views of the defeated, malignant, Hippocratic, myopic SaharaMet team are not the views shared by Nakhla Dog Meteorites, and they never will be. Nakhla Dog Meteorites does not fear the fabled meteorite armies of Western Africa. It is, simply put, the worst marketing campaign ever. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Gary
Hey Gary and welcome to the Glanggang! I hope you have a good time here, and it is nice to have you. Twisting the wick already? That hype-sucking terrorism question for ape-hanging monkey butts and RUBs is like looking for back warmers...among a serious Harley chick club on your Honda. It has been discussed so extensively and mostly everyone has already rumbled that wants to. You can see all the reruns in the archives by searching using the word terrorism, if the old anchs get into a snafu. Are you planning on starting a meteorite collection, or just learn about them second hand? What got you interested, was it the big one found in Kansas? People collect for many reasons. Some are scientific, but some just like the dates they fall. Some like the names. How about Rabbit Flat from the colorful land of kangaroos, aborigines and Australian meteorites? A road gang found it near the most remote roadhouse in Australia, that is closed most of the days of the week, as far as I can Google. The live-in caretaker supposedly runs people off with a shotgun. Sounds like a thrilling place to hunt, and bike, if only there were a bridge to Australia... Keep the dirty side down, Clyde In a message dated 12/21/2005 2:27:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:38:05 -0500, Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody lend any credence to this theory? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html Two facts: 1) NWA meteorites are for 95%, contraband items, coming from Algeria and the whole Sahara (9 million square kilometers). These rocks are centralized in one point (South Morocco, Erfoud). 25 Algerian policemen have been especially trained to stop this contraband. See two links (you can use Google language tools to translate from French) : http://www.elwatan.com/print.php3?id_article=15125 http://www.algerie-dz.com/article1665.html 2) Trans Saharan Counterterrorism Initiative. Saharan contraband is well organized and linked with army groups. That's the reason why a budget of $ 500 millions will be allocated by the US government to stop it. Ten sub-Saharan countries are associated to the project. Half of the budget will be allocated for helping the population to develop their economy, the other is dedicated to the fight against army groups and the contraband controlled by them. See this link: http://www.defense.gov/news/May2005/20050516_1126.html And also for an external point of view: http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/caocl/Africa/Pan-Sahel/Readings/Islamist%20Terrorism %20in%20the%20Sahel--Fact%20or%20Fiction.pdf RichardRoland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - December 21, 2005
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA paying for terrorism?
Heehehehe, with that little amount of stones and with that prices paid there for meteorites, poor terrorists, they would starve and for the next assault they would have to ride with donkeys into the Pentagon. I imagine Rumsfeld, the hero, holding the poor donkey by the tail to avoid a catastrophee and the Pellisons will get a Purple Heart, because they confiscated in RickRol's Cafe in Casablanca 10kg of NWA 869. You're crazy, but nevertheless, Merry Xmas to all. I'm gone. Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA paying for terrorism? On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:38:05 -0500, Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody lend any credence to this theory? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html Two facts: 1) NWA meteorites are for 95%, contraband items, coming from Algeria and the whole Sahara (9 million square kilometers). These rocks are centralized in one point (South Morocco, Erfoud). 25 Algerian policemen have been especially trained to stop this contraband. See two links (you can use Google language tools to translate from French) : http://www.elwatan.com/print.php3?id_article=15125 http://www.algerie-dz.com/article1665.html 2) Trans Saharan Counterterrorism Initiative. Saharan contraband is well organized and linked with army groups. That's the reason why a budget of $ 500 millions will be allocated by the US government to stop it. Ten sub-Saharan countries are associated to the project. Half of the budget will be allocated for helping the population to develop their economy, the other is dedicated to the fight against army groups and the contraband controlled by them. See this link: http://www.defense.gov/news/May2005/20050516_1126.html And also for an external point of view: http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/caocl/Africa/Pan-Sahel/Readings/Islamist%20Terrorism %20in%20the%20Sahel--Fact%20or%20Fiction.pdf Richard Roland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Gary
Hiya Clyde/MexicoDoug, I figured that the few $$$ that flow into NWA from meteorite sales ought to buy, oh say, about 1/10,000th of the necessary materials to build a nuke, so it must be hype. But being me I had to ask. Yeah, I'm a tail twister. lol My collection is new and small and growing. My interest in astronomy goes back to my first childhood visit to a planetarium in LA. Then I found an interesting meteorwrong [at least I think it's a wrong]. It sat on my desk until one day last winter when I was ored and began to look up such things online. One thing led to another and now I have another addiction to add to my list - collecting, and someday hunting, the elusive perfect meteorite. My Honda is quiet so I figure I may sneak up on one someday. :) For now I have my wrong, a Campo and a Campo coin and a Barringer fragment. I'm going to have my wrong sliced and analyzed before formal declaration of what it is. I just don't have the 1K+ to buy a good saw yet. I thought Aussie meteorites were off the list of touchables? Local law or something? Shiny side up, Gary 'Old Man of the Mountains' Foote On 21 Dec 2005 at 4:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Gary and welcome to the Glanggang! I hope you have a good time here, and it is nice to have you. Twisting the wick already? That hype-sucking terrorism question for ape-hanging monkey butts and RUBs is like looking for back warmers...among a serious Harley chick club on your Honda. It has been discussed so extensively and mostly everyone has already rumbled that wants to. You can see all the reruns in the archives by searching using the word terrorism, if the old anchs get into a snafu. Are you planning on starting a meteorite collection, or just learn about them second hand? What got you interested, was it the big one found in Kansas? People collect for many reasons. Some are scientific, but some just like the dates they fall. Some like the names. How about Rabbit Flat from the colorful land of kangaroos, aborigines and Australian meteorites? A road gang found it near the most remote roadhouse in Australia, that is closed most of the days of the week, as far as I can Google. The live-in caretaker supposedly runs people off with a shotgun. Sounds like a thrilling place to hunt, and bike, if only there were a bridge to Australia... Keep the dirty side down, Clyde In a message dated 12/21/2005 2:27:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:38:05 -0500, Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody lend any credence to this theory? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html Two facts: 1) NWA meteorites are for 95%, contraband items, coming from Algeria and the whole Sahara (9 million square kilometers). These rocks are centralized in one point (South Morocco, Erfoud). 25 Algerian policemen have been especially trained to stop this contraband. See two links (you can use Google language tools to translate from French) : http://www.elwatan.com/print.php3?id_article=15125 http://www.algerie-dz.com/article1665.html 2) Trans Saharan Counterterrorism Initiative. Saharan contraband is well organized and linked with army groups. That's the reason why a budget of $ 500 millions will be allocated by the US government to stop it. Ten sub-Saharan countries are associated to the project. Half of the budget will be allocated for helping the population to develop their economy, the other is dedicated to the fight against army groups and the contraband controlled by them. See this link: http://www.defense.gov/news/May2005/20050516_1126.html And also for an external point of view: http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/caocl/Africa/Pan-Sahel/Readings/Islamist%20Terrorism %20in%20the%20Sahel--Fact%20or%20Fiction.pdf RichardRoland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Show
Hi Listers, This will be my first year to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. It looks like I have to register to buy anything? Or is that only at the expo center. Where else in town are shows/sales going on during the week of Feb 2 - 9? Gary Foote __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show
Gary: Check out the page on Meteoritetimes: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/tucson/index.htm This should clue you in on where the meteorite geeks are... Stop by our booth at the Convention Center, it is always great to meet a fellow enthusiast! Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Listers, This will be my first year to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. It looks like I have to register to buy anything? Or is that only at the expo center. Where else in town are shows/sales going on during the week of Feb 2 - 9? Gary Foote __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com http://www.mrmeteorite.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2999 - A Case for Mercury? or not?
Hi Eric, Thanks for your comment. What you say would apply to any individual sample, but we have 10 angrites with different cosmic ray exposure times that represent separate ejection events with very tightly clustered crystallization ages. Which is more likely? That they represent random samples of a parent body that crystallized very early, or that every single one of them came from unique locations that all crystallized at the same time, even though the parent body as a whole did not? I would propose that a meteorite from Mercury should be an achondrite with a crystallization age somewhere between 10 million and 1 billion years after the beginning of the Solar System, while an achondrite from Venus should have a crystallization age of 1 billion years or less. In either case, chemical and isotopic analysis to rule out other known asteroidal or planetary affiliations would also be necessary. I realize that chemically and isotopically this issue is complex and David Weir and others know better what a Mercurian or Venusian meteorite might be like than I. I was only trying to focus on the age issue, since it could eliminate so many contenders. That way, every time we get a new achondrite ala NWA 011 we don't have to immediately speculate if we finally found a piece of Mercury! Mike Fowler Michael Fowler wrote: Dr. Irving's proposal certainly allows for a more rapid cooling of Mercury, but perhaps not a sufficiently rapid cooling. Even if it allowed cooling 20 times faster, that would only compress a billion year time scale down to 50 million years, not quick enough by far. Mike I think you have misunderstood the process a bit. Only 2 things are required (1) the body has to have time (and mass) to differentiate and (2) the sample analyzed has to solidify. Once it is solidified the age information is locked in unless it undergoes further thermal or shock metamorphosis. Half the planet could still be in the magma ocean state and it wouldn't matter to the age of that sample. It is highly unlikely that any meteorite will be attributed to Mercury with any certainty until a probe reaches the surface and does some isotopic analysis. That is something I am beginning to doubt I will see in my lifetime. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Back Home, again... eBay Auctions Ending.
Dear List Members, I just returned home late last night from yet another trip to Morocco. Very cold this time of year, but may have been well worth it. I will be going through a lot of material today to send some samples of what I acquired to the lab for quick preliminary analysis. I got some interesting material, most of which will probably turn out to be terrestrial, but who knows?? One has to take those chances to find the goodies ;-) For those of you who have made payments for eBay items, I will be getting caught up over the next two days and get them into the mail, pronto! I will also be back on schedule with my eBay items that will end tonight and list some new items under my seller name, NaturesVault. Thank you for your patience during my absence over the last week. I will answer emails as quickly as I can today. I have many LARGE specimens of planetary and other great meteorites currently running on eBay. I loaded a lot of Christmas Specials starting at just 99 cents! There are also some nice unclassified Saharan individuals that are still at just 99 cents. There will be some great deals to be had today, far too many to list in this email. If you are interested in taking a look, please go to eBay and search for items by seller, NaturesVault. I will let you know if I find anything extraordinary amongst my acquisitions from this last trip. I will be photographing several before cutting, this is how confident I am that I may have a few goodies. Hoping everyone will have a great holiday season and remember to bid on the items I have tonight as most items will go for below retail. Just my way of saying, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Best wishes, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA paying for terrorism?
If meteorites are being collected and sold to fund terrorism, where are all of the cheap meteorites from Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, and all of those other desert countries with infestations of militant extremists? Or is the claim that meteorites sold through Morocco come from all of those countries? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Gary
Hi Gary, Great to have you on the list. What a better place to talk with all the meteorite dealers, hunters and enthusiasts. I would encourage anyone to go to Tucson to view all the meteorites if you plan on hunting meteorites.I saw your picture with all of the motorcycle riders. I like to ride bikes also. It would be fun to go riding with all of you. The only problem if you guy s go over 35 mph my Honda trail 70 gets real squirrely with my wife and I on it!... Just teasing. Sonny -Original Message- From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:39:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Gary Hiya Clyde/MexicoDoug, I figured that the few $$$ that flow into NWA from meteorite sales ought to buy, oh say, about 1/10,000th of the necessary materials to build a nuke, so it must be hype. But being me I had to ask. Yeah, I'm a tail twister. lol My collection is new and small and growing. My interest in astronomy goes back to my first childhood visit to a planetarium in LA. Then I found an interesting meteorwrong [at least I think it's a wrong]. It sat on my desk until one day last winter when I was ored and began to look up such things online. One thing led to another and now I have another addiction to add to my list - collecting, and someday hunting, the elusive perfect meteorite. My Honda is quiet so I figure I may sneak up on one someday. :) For now I have my wrong, a Campo and a Campo coin and a Barringer fragment. I'm going to have my wrong sliced and analyzed before formal declaration of what it is. I just don't have the 1K+ to buy a good saw yet. I thought Aussie meteorites were off the list of touchables? Local law or something? Shiny side up, Gary 'Old Man of the Mountains' Foote On 21 Dec 2005 at 4:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Gary and welcome to the Glanggang! I hope you have a good time here, and it is nice to have you. Twisting the wick already? That hype-sucking terrorism question for ape-hanging monkey butts and RUBs is like looking for back warmers...among a serious Harley chick club on your Honda. It has been discussed so extensively and mostly everyone has already rumbled that wants to. You can see all the reruns in the archives by searching using the word terrorism, if the old anchs get into a snafu. Are you planning on starting a meteorite collection, or just learn about them second hand? What got you interested, was it the big one found in Kansas? People collect for many reasons. Some are scientific, but some just like the dates they fall. Some like the names. How about Rabbit Flat from the colorful land of kangaroos, aborigines and Australian meteorites? A road gang found it near the most remote roadhouse in Australia, that is closed most of the days of the week, as far as I can Google. The live-in caretaker supposedly runs people off with a shotgun. Sounds like a thrilling place to hunt, and bike, if only there were a bridge to Australia... Keep the dirty side down, Clyde In a message dated 12/21/2005 2:27:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:38:05 -0500, Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody lend any credence to this theory? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html Two facts: 1) NWA meteorites are for 95%, contraband items, coming from Algeria and the whole Sahara (9 million square kilometers). These rocks are centralized in one point (South Morocco, Erfoud). 25 Algerian policemen have been especially trained to stop this contraband. See two links (you can use Google language tools to translate from French) : http://www.elwatan.com/print.php3?id_article=15125 http://www.algerie-dz.com/article1665.html 2) Trans Saharan Counterterrorism Initiative. Saharan contraband is well organized and linked with army groups. That's the reason why a budget of $ 500 millions will be allocated by the US government to stop it. Ten sub-Saharan countries are associated to the project. Half of the budget will be allocated for helping the population to develop their economy, the other is dedicated to the fight against army groups and the contraband controlled by them. See this link: http://www.defense.gov/news/May2005/20050516_1126.html And also for an external point of view: http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/caocl/Africa/Pan-Sahel/Readings/Islamist%20Terr orism %20in%20the%20Sahel--Fact%20or%20Fiction.pdf RichardRoland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images: December 15-21, 2005
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES December 15-21, 2005 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Inverted Valley (Released 15 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/15 o Marte Vallis (Released 16 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/16 o Polar Features (Released 17 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/17 o Meridiani Scene (Released 18 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/18 o Double Impact (Released 19 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/19 o Mars at Ls 341 Degrees (Released 20 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/20 o Eyes of Ganges (Released 21 December 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/12/21 All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Telescope to Revolutionize Asteroid Warning System
http://space.com/businesstechnology/051221_pan-starrs.html New Telescope to Revolutionize Asteroid Warning System By Robert A. Myers space.com 21 December 2005 HONOLULU -- The Solar System is about to look a lot more crowded. A group of telescopes using the world's biggest digital cameras will soon start scanning the sky from the Hawaiian Islands, tracking down thousands of the smaller, dimmer and overlooked objects in the Sun's neighborhood. The reason? Hunting for those dangerous space rocks that still elude detection. When fully operational, the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) project will deeply scan most of the night sky several times a month. About three-quarters of the sky are visible from the Hawaiian Islands, and Pan-STARRS will use four linked telescopes connected to its enormous cameras to take broad pictures of unprecedented detail. Objects as dim as 24th magnitude - 250 times fainter than objects detected by the current champ in asteroid spotting LINEAR - will pop out of the background and be analyzed for their threat potential. In January of 2006 the first of the four will see first light, looking forward to when the entire system is operational in 2009. Pan-STARRS will bolster the Earth's early warning system for threats from asteroids and comets - a congressionally directed program that currently consists of LINEAR (Lincoln Near-Earth Asteroid Research), LONEOS (Lowell Observatory Near Earth Object Search), NEAT (Near Earth Asteroid Tracking) and Spacewatch. Dr. Nick Kaiser of the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy (IfA) is chief scientist on the project, and has taken it in a slightly different direction that first envisioned. (The National Academy of Sciences) had in mind a single ~6m (about 18 ft.) telescope but we had been playing around with the idea of doing this with a cluster of smaller telescopes, for reasons of cost and speed of construction, and thought that these had a competitive advantage, says Kaiser. Instead, Pan-STARRS will use a collection of four 1.8m (about five ft.) telescopes, set to take wide images and linked via computer to yield a final image as detailed as if a single 3.6m (about 12 ft.) telescope were used. Big cameras, tiny targets As the first telescope in the array, named PS1, nears completion, work continues on the four revolutionary cameras that will make the work possible. Digital cameras, which use no film and send their data directly to a computer for analysis, have been the standard for professional astronomy for years. But the ability to quickly scan large swaths of the sky for the faint lights of possible threats is beyond any current models. The new units have to be bigger, better, faster and cheaper. And Kaiser says they will be. The goal that we set was to build cameras with 10 times as many pixels, that could be read out 10 times as fast (to enable us to rapidly scan the sky), and for one tenth the current cost per pixel! Amazingly, the IfA detector group (along with MIT's Lincoln Laboratory) are rapidly closing in on this goal, he said. The cameras will each have 1.4 billion pixels and will be read out in a few seconds as the telescope slews to a new target. Photographed through the unusually wide-angled telescopes, each 30-60 second exposure will take up about 2 Gigabytes of data, and take about a minute for the computers to process. At this rate, Pan-STARRS will be collecting about 10 Terabytes of data each night. There has been rapid evolution in wide field (digital cameras) in the last decade or so, Kaiser explained, with major contributions from the Hawaii detector group, and many people realized that the time was right for a major leap forward. Danger, falling rocks When these wide screen high-definition images finally start rolling in, turning the trickle of new potential dangers into a torrent, it could easily overwhelm the established system for handling them. The current mode of operations for asteroid/NEO searches is for the various observing projects (and amateurs) to send their detections to the Minor Planet Center ... (which) acts as a clearing house and they determine orbits for the objects and make these available to the general community, said Kaiser. A problem with this model for Pan-STARRS is that our rate of detections will be much higher and would swamp the current system. Kaiser says they plan on handling most of the analysis of orbits themselves. But it's all part of how hunting for these dangerous objects have changed in recent years, as more sensitive instruments come online, and public awareness (and occasional paranoia) grows. What happens is that every so often an object is detected that has a small, but not vanishingly small, chance of hitting the earth some time in the future, Kaiser explained. But one observation is never enough to rule out danger, and it takes the work of observers across the globe to nail down a new object's path -- a process that
[meteorite-list] Big Boom Shakes Houses Along the North Carolina Coast
http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=4269451nav=2gQc Big Boom Shakes Houses Along the Coast WECT 6 News (Wilmington, North Carolina) December 21, 2005 What's being described as a big boom shook houses along the coast late Tuesday afternoon. Phone calls started pouring into the WECT newsroom shortly after 4:00, with people questioning what the noise was. The boom could be felt from Ogden to Carolina Beach and in some cases Brunswick County. Some people described it as a loud bang. Others say it was like several explosions. They say their windows rattled and homes shook under the force. WECT called 911 centers around the area. There were no reports of any accidents or damage in relation to the bangs. Officials at the nuclear power plant didn't report any problems either. Right now, authorities are just not sure what caused the noise. One theory is a natural phenomena called Seneca Guns. It's never been fully explained but people along the coast have talked about it for centuries. Some say the sound originates when chunks of the continental shelf drop into the Atlantic Ocean. It doesn't just happen along the coast. In fact, the name comes from Seneca Lake in New York where the big booms have been heard for years. Five years ago, the Seneca Guns fired here. A scientist from UNCW said the rumbling came from the ocean, and there were various theories but no rock solid explanation. He said there was nothing to worry about. It was just noise. No one was hurt then and no damage was recorded. Some other theories to explain Tuesday afternoon's boom are methane gas exploding on the ocean floor, an atmospheric event or a sonic boom. WECT also received several calls about jets racing through the sky. Local military officials wouldn't comment. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Prepares for Return of Interstellar Cargo (Stardust)
Dec. 21, 2005 Dwayne Brown/Merrilee Fellows Headquarters, Washington (202) 358-1726; (818) 393-075 D.C. Agle Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. (818) 393-9011 RELEASE: 05-562 NASA PREPARES FOR RETURN OF INTERSTELLAR CARGO NASA's Stardust mission is nearing Earth after a 2.88 billion mile round-trip journey to return cometary and interstellar dust particles back to Earth. Scientists believe the cargo will help provide answers to fundamental questions about comets and the origins of the solar system. The velocity of the sample return capsule, as it enters the Earth's atmosphere at 28,860 mph, will be the fastest of any human-made object on record. It surpasses the record set in May 1969 during the return of the Apollo 10 command module. The capsule is scheduled to return on Jan. 15. Comets are some of the most informative occupants of the solar system. The more we can learn from science exploration missions like Stardust, the more we can prepare for human exploration to the moon, Mars and beyond, said Mary Cleave, associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate. Several events must occur before scientists can retrieve cosmic samples from the capsule landing at the U.S. Air Force Utah Test and Training Range, southwest of Salt Lake City. Mission navigators will command the spacecraft to perform targeting maneuvers on Jan. 5 and 13. On Jan. 15 at 12:57 a.m. EST, Stardust will release its sample return capsule. Four hours later, the capsule will enter Earth's atmosphere 410,000 feet over the Pacific Ocean. The capsule will release a drogue parachute at approximately 105,000 feet. Once the capsule has descended to about 10,000 feet, the main parachute will deploy. The capsule is scheduled to land on the range at 5:12 a.m. EST. After the capsule lands, if conditions allow, a helicopter crew will fly it to the U.S. Army Dugway Proving Ground, Utah, for initial processing. If weather does not allow helicopters to fly, special off-road vehicles will retrieve the capsule and return it to Dugway. Samples will be moved to a special laboratory at NASA's Johnson Space Center, Houston, where they will be preserved and studied. Locked within the cometary particles is unique chemical and physical information that could be the record of the formation of the planets and the materials from which they were made, said Don Brownlee, Stardust principal investigator at the University of Washington, Seattle. NASA expects most of the collected particles to be no more than a third of a millimeter across. Scientists will slice these particle samples into even smaller pieces for study. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. manages the Stardust mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, developed and operates the spacecraft. For information about the Stardust mission on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/stardust For information about NASA and agency programs on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/podcast -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Water Assumptions May Be All Wet
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/051221_mars_dry.html Mars Water Assumptions May Be All Wet By Robert Roy Britt space.com 21 December 2005 The apparent discovery of ancient salty lakes or seas on Mars by NASA's Opportunity rover last year is viewed as one of the most significant developments in planetary science. But two new studies throw some seriously cold water on the whole scenario. Rather than abundant surface water over significant stretches of planet's history, as the rover scientists concluded, Opportunity's observations might represent the results of a meteor impact or volcanic activity on an otherwise very dry world. The counter arguments, presented in two papers in the Dec. 22 issue of the journal Nature, go to the very heart of the ultimate question about Mars: Was it ever warm and wet enough to support life? Multiple explanations At Meridiani Planum, Opportunity found photographic evidence of layered sandstone that, when analyzed by chemical sensors, looked like it must have formed in the presence of significant amounts of standing water. But the deposits could be nothing more than volcanic ash altered by very small amounts of acidic water and sulfur dioxide, which is a volcanic gas, argue Thomas McCollom and Brian Hynek of the University of Colorado at Boulder. In our scenario, the water required to support the chemistry in this bedrock would only have had to have been around for months, years or perhaps as much as a few centuries, Hynek said today. This is very different than previous scenarios, which require that a much larger amount of water be present for many millennia.' This scenario does not require prolonged interaction with a standing body of surface water, the researchers write. The Meridiani region was probably more like volcanic parts of Yellowstone, Hawaii or Italy than something like the Great Salt Lake, McCollom said. We think it was far less favorable for past biological activity than other scenarios that have been proposed. If McCollom and Hynek's scenario is correct, its effect would be in greatly reducing the possibility that these rocks indicate that a habitable environment ever existed at Meridiani, according to Mark Bullock, a scientist at the Southwest Research Institute who was not involved in the studies. Or it could be? In the second paper, another group says an impacting space rock can explain the chemicals and layered deposits observed at Meridiani, as well as the infamous BB-sized spheres dubbed blueberries. In fact, write Paul Knauth of Arizona State University and colleagues, the blueberries are just too spherical and of uniform size to be explained by formation in water. Knauth's team proposes that the meteorite generated a ground-hugging turbulent flow of rock fragments, salts, sulfides, brines and ice, leaving deposits that were later weathered by small amounts of water embedded in the grains. The scenario can account for all of the features observed without invoking shallow seas, lakes or near-surface aquifers, the scientists contend. There is little doubt that Mars, in its early history, experienced bouts of intense flooding that involved water. The evidence is plainly carved into the planet's surface in the form of canyons bigger than any on Earth. But Bullock said those early episodes could have involved very sudden and short-lived floods spurred by ice melting in meteorite impacts that would have been frequent when the solar system was young. Both groups propose scenarios that preclude the existence of significant bodies of water at the surface (at least at Meridiani), and therefore that Mars may never have had conditions conducive to life, said Bullock, who wrote an analysis of the work for Nature. This conclusion stands in sharp contrast to the provocative interpretations that there must have been long-lived surface water to form the Meridiani outcrops. It will take time for scientists to settle this important debate. The outcome could effect decisions about where to send future missions that would search for signs of life. Bullock called the investigation vital, whatever the ultimate verdict proves to be. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show
Gary Check the following link to see the Tucson Show Guide with all the shows and dates http://www.tucsonshowguide.com/tsg/ The main show (Tucson Gem and Mineral Show) at the Tucson Convention Center is the only one you have to pay to get in. The rest are free. You don't need to register at most of the shows. Some of the wholesale gem or bead shows require registering, but none of them have meteorites dealers. see you there Eduardo InnSuites # 311 -Original Message- From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:17:45 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Hi Listers, This will be my first year to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. It looks like I have to register to buy anything? Or is that only at the expo center. Where else in town are shows/sales going on during the week of Feb 2 - 9? Gary Foote __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Ad Iron sale et al
Hi All I have a few unusual irons for sale as well as some common ones. The rare ones include Butler, Glen Rose(iron), Smithland and Tinnie. Also some common irons at great prices Gibeon, Mundrabilla Taza. http://jensenmeteorites.com/AIrons.htm I also have several other classified meteorites for sale as well. These can be found here; http://jensenmeteorites.com/A224.htm Also in case you need some unclassified NWA's you might look at these pages. http://jensenmeteorites.com/A200.htm http://jensenmeteorites.com/A100.htm Since I am trying to raise some cash before the end of the year all will be offered at 20% off the list price. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Thanks Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SALE / Last Day for Christmas Delivery
Hi List, Orders placed today with express shipping are guaranteed for Christmas delivery Special Offers http://www.meteorites.tv/contents/en-us/d344.html Regards, Luc htmldivLabenne Meteorites BRMeteorites for Science, Education amp; Collectors BRhttp://www.meteorites.STRONGFONT color=#ff0066tv/FONT/STRONG BR/div/html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson
Thanks to everyone for your responses. I'm making my list and checking it twice. Gonna come home with a big Santa Bag full of out of this world rocks. Wahoo!!! See y'all there! Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA paying for terrorism?
I think the claim is that the meteorites come from all over Africa and the Middle East. Still and all, imagine the small drop in the bucket all those sales must really represent. Gary On 21 Dec 2005 at 10:31, Darren Garrison wrote: If meteorites are being collected and sold to fund terrorism, where are all of the cheap meteorites from Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, and all of those other desert countries with infestations of militant extremists? Or is the claim that meteorites sold through Morocco come from all of those countries? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stardust Press Kit
The Stardust press kit for Earth return was released today: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/presskits.html Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stardust Press Kit
The Stardust press kit for Earth return was released today: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/presskits.html Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA paying for terrorism?
Hi Gary, Unfortunately, Richard Roland Pelisson have slandered the entire meteorite community, maintaining, essentially, if you get any NWA material from any source but them you are contributing directly to the funding of terrorists. That is about as logical as saying it is OK to kidnap, detain and torture any US citizen caught smoking pot hold them without charges or legal representation - as, everyone knows that terrorists fund their enterprises by selling drugs, so any pot head is a terrorist supporter, and, therefore, a threat to Homeland Security. While it may be true that at some time some terrorists raised $ by selling drugs it hardly makes the local high school pot head a terrorist supporter. Likewise, there may have been an occasion when a terrorist or terrorists sold some meteorites for money. Statistically, both would seem likely. (Terrorists have also, undoubtedly raised money selling cars, houses, camels candy!). However, to pretend that ALL, MOST, or even a significant minority of NWA material has been marketed to raise money for terrorism is obscenely twisted. Even more twisted than to pretend that the majority of drug sales are anything other than greed driven and a response to a supply/demand situation any terrorist activity in that realm represents a distinctly and obviously tiny portion of the activity overall. The vast majority of NWA material of which I am aware comes via Dean Bessey, Mike Farmer, Jim Strope, the Hupes, Bruno Carin, ET, Alain Louis Carion, and many others like them. Do you think for one minute they have all been going over there and finding terrorists from whom to buy their material??? Or, rather do you think they have all built up contacts over the years and dealt with go betweens with the nomads and other finders of meteorites in the desert? Richard Roland Pelisson have been taken to court in France by Bruno Carin for their slanderous accusations. There was a huge petition at last year's Tucson Gem Mineral Show denouncing Richard Roland Pelisson for their scandalous accusations in which they called every collector, dealer and scientist a terrorist supporter if they ever bought, owned, collected or currated NWA material - of course, unless they bought it from the Pelissons! You figure out the credibility of their allegations and motivation. I don't know about you, but I take great offense at being accused of supporting terrorism! Sincerely, Michael Blood on 12/20/05 11:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:38:05 -0500, Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody lend any credence to this theory? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html Two facts: 1) NWA meteorites are for 95%, contraband items, coming from Algeria and the whole Sahara (9 million square kilometers). These rocks are centralized in one point (South Morocco, Erfoud). 25 Algerian policemen have been especially trained to stop this contraband. See two links (you can use Google language tools to translate from French) : http://www.elwatan.com/print.php3?id_article=15125 http://www.algerie-dz.com/article1665.html 2) Trans Saharan Counterterrorism Initiative. Saharan contraband is well organized and linked with army groups. That's the reason why a budget of $ 500 millions will be allocated by the US government to stop it. Ten sub-Saharan countries are associated to the project. Half of the budget will be allocated for helping the population to develop their economy, the other is dedicated to the fight against army groups and the contraband controlled by them. See this link: http://www.defense.gov/news/May2005/20050516_1126.html And also for an external point of view: http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/caocl/Africa/Pan-Sahel/Readings/Islamist%20Terrorism %20in%20the%20Sahel--Fact%20or%20Fiction.pdf Richard Roland Pelisson http://www.SaharaMet.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- The thing that sometimes has me hazy is whether it is them or I that's crazy. Albert Einstein -- He is not a lover who does not love forever. - Euripides (485-406BC) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2999 Abstract Plagerism
Dear all, NWA 2999 Abstract Plagiarism: Regarding the disgusting thievery of copyrighted abstract content and the pure laziness of the culprit, I think the offending party should publicly apologize to all who he has stolen from and insulted. I, and all who have contributed to the discovery and study of NWA 2999, work way too hard to have a common criminal steal our work. I do not go to Morocco on average of every 2-3 months, spend a ton to acquire these rare meteorites just to have some jerk rip off my finds and our work. I am disgusted and pissed off! I just returned home last night after 24 hours of travel to see this crap. I am too tired to even get started. My advise to this idiot is to go there and do it yourself! What a clown! Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2999 Dear Dave and List, The AGU abstract is copyrighted and I agree that a blatant act of plagiarism is at hand. I already reported the incident to a few of the other authors who are not happy with the situation at all. It is important to respect intellectual property. It is alright to quote and reference abstracts but most are copyrighted. Substitution of laboratory and official numbers is breaking the law and in this case is bad business. My brother, Greg and I work very closely with the scientists listed on this abstract and to be listed as a co-author is a privilege that we do not take lightly. We find this blatant plagiarism to be distasteful and in poor judgement. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2999 Abstract Plagiarism
Dear all, NWA 2999 Abstract Plagiarism: Regarding the disgusting thievery of copyrighted abstract content and the pure laziness of the culprit, Ron Ferrell - Blasphemy Sciences Holiday catalog (or what ever he is called), should publicly apologize to all who he has stolen from and insulted. I, and all who have contributed to the discovery and study of NWA 2999, work way too hard to have a common criminal steal our work. I do not go to Morocco on average of every 2-3 months, spend a ton to acquire these rare meteorites just to have some jerk rip off my finds and our work. I am disgusted and pissed off! I just returned home last night after 24 hours of travel to see this crap. I am too tired to even get started. My advise to this idiot is to go there and do it yourself! What a clown! Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 I was surprised too, so much in fact that I didn't bother reading it in the Bethany Holiday Catalog figuring it was BS as no authors were listed. Now to see it is a real article composed by some long standing and reliable names, I share in David's guarded optimism and I am pleased to see science stepping outside of the box and taking a swing at defining the angrites better. This will undoubtedly be further discussed and contested, I applaud the folks at UW, NAU, and Carnegie for taking that first step. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2999 Dear Dave and List, The AGU abstract is copyrighted and I agree that a blatant act of plagiarism is at hand. I already reported the incident to a few of the other authors who are not happy with the situation at all. It is important to respect intellectual property. It is alright to quote and reference abstracts but most are copyrighted. Substitution of laboratory and official numbers is breaking the law and in this case is bad business. My brother, Greg and I work very closely with the scientists listed on this abstract and to be listed as a co-author is a privilege that we do not take lightly. We find this blatant plagiarism to be distasteful and in poor judgement. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale: NWA 482 and Peekshill
Hello Everybody, If anyone is looking for a small piece of either Peekshill or Lunar NWA 482, please contact me off list for great prices. Peekskill 2.04g (fragment w/ crust) NWA 482 0.202g (part-slice w/ crust) Happy Holidays, Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Japan eyes spacesuit for '18 U.S. moon shot
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20051222a2.htm Japan eyes spacesuit for '18 U.S. moon shot The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency is considering developing a high-tech spacesuit to participate in a U.S. project to send astronauts to the moon in 2018, officials said Wednesday. By drawing on technological prowess from academia, industry and government sectors, JAXA is hoping to produce a suit for astronauts to wear when exploring the lunar surface, according to the officials. Currently, only the United States and Russia have the technology to manufacture spacesuits for use outside a spacecraft, shielding humans from severe conditions, including the drastic lunar temperature changes ranging from 120 to minus 160, strong space radiation and tiny meteorites. JAXA plans to soon start soliciting participation by government offices, companies and university research laboratories, the officials said. The goal is to reduce the weight of the suit to around 20 kg from around 120 kg for the U.S.-made gear and upgrade the built-in life support system to enable continuous use for up to one week, they said. The agency hopes to produce materials that are heat resistant, protect against radiation and are bulletproof, as well as create robot mechanisms to bolster kinetic movements of an astronaut and an eyeglass-like compact computer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
