date:20060215

Its a problem of photos...when I take a photo of a
pallasite I put in front of the photography machine a
white paper and i have the metal of the pallasite with
a right color, behinh a light for the olivine, type in
this photo if is in low resolution and is not well
visible

http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/Imilacgr.96.JPG

Matteo
--- "Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: 

> Thank you Ron,
> 
> It didn't make sense to me, but every sample I saw
> photographed was the same blue matrix 
> color.  Of _course_ one would hold it to the sun to
> show off the olivines and pyroxenes, 
> thus reflecting the back sky in the iron.
> 
> Doh!
> 
> Gary
> 
> On 15 Feb 2006 at 17:17, Ron Baalke wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > >
>
http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html
> > > 
> > 
> > I thought you were referring to the color of the
> olivine crystals, but the
> > crystals in this photo are the typical red/orange
> color you'd expect for any 
> > pallasite.  The blue color is being reflected by
> the polished metal portion 
> > of the pallasite, and the source of the blue color
> could be something as 
> > simple as the sky, or a blue wall in the room. 
> The meteorite itself
> > it not blue.
> > 
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RE: [meteorite-list] AD: Now this is oriented!

I have sold a gao of 0.2 grams perfect oriented botton
with flow lines 2 years ago to a my friend. I ask to
him if is possible have a photo of the piece.

Matteo

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> the smallest oriented Gao-Guenie I have seen at less
> than half a gram in weight.   It even has flow lines
> and a bubbly top surface texture.   
> In addition there is a Sikhote-alin with a
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RE: [meteorite-list] AD: Now this is oriented!

2006-02-15 Thread star-bits

Since everybody is mentioning oriented pieces I have a couple on eBay right 
now as well including the smallest oriented Gao-Guenie I have seen at less than 
half a gram in weight.   It even has flow lines and a bubbly top surface 
texture.   
In addition there is a Sikhote-alin with a crater on the surface.   These 
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RE: [meteorite-list] AD: Now this is oriented!

2006-02-15 Thread stan .

thats not orientated - thats a jalapeno! ;)

From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Now this is oriented!
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:38:20 -0700

Hi everyone, just loaded a few auctions, and here is a Sikhote that shows 
what I like to call orientation. You will never see me describing a 
meteorite as oriented, unless is clearly is, no blocks or bricks here. I 
see so many pieces that people try to call oriented, when they are not. If 
you need to use your imagination to see it,  it is NOT ORIENTED.

Mike Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Recent Holbrook expedition

2006-02-15 Thread Gerald Flaherty

Hey Mike, did you get my  last question on the lost Glorieta?
Jerry
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Hi Dave
If you want to find the best material you must hunt with the best hunters. 
Which we did..more on that later.

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Dear Mark, Dave, Mike and Bill;
What is this I hear you were shown up at the field trip to the Holbrook
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Well guys, shouldn't ah let a girl come alongleast THAT one ;-)
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[meteorite-list] AD: Now this is oriented!

2006-02-15 Thread Michael Farmer

Hi everyone, just loaded a few auctions, and here is a Sikhote that shows 
what I like to call orientation. You will never see me describing a 
meteorite as oriented, unless is clearly is, no blocks or bricks here. I see 
so many pieces that people try to call oriented, when they are not. If you 
need to use your imagination to see it,  it is NOT ORIENTED.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

2006-02-15 Thread JKGwilliam

If you take the same picture in a studio environment ( with correct 
temperature lighting)  with a white diffuser above the pallasite slice, the 
reflective surface appears white or light grey.  Now we all know that 
polished iron isn't white, but it is more acceptable to the human eye that 
a reflected blue sky.

Take a look at this slice of Brahin
http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/brahin2.htm
Best,

John Gwilliam

At 06:30 PM 2/15/2006, Gary K. Foote wrote:

Thank you Ron,

It didn't make sense to me, but every sample I saw photographed was the 
same blue matrix
color.  Of _course_ one would hold it to the sun to show off the olivines 
and pyroxenes,

thus reflecting the back sky in the iron.

Doh!

Gary

On 15 Feb 2006 at 17:17, Ron Baalke wrote:

> >
> > 
http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html

> >
>
> I thought you were referring to the color of the olivine crystals, but the
> crystals in this photo are the typical red/orange color you'd expect 
for any
> pallasite.  The blue color is being reflected by the polished metal 
portion

> of the pallasite, and the source of the blue color could be something as
> simple as the sky, or a blue wall in the room.  The meteorite itself
> it not blue.
>
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[meteorite-list] Interplanetary dust particles: reproducing GEMS-like structure in the laboratory

2006-02-15 Thread K. Ohtsuka

Hello list members,

The following link is very interesting study!

http://www.edpsciences.org/journal/index.cfm?edpsname=aa&niv1=others&niv2=press_release&niv3=PRaa200603

You can download its PDF article from the link at the bottom page.

Katsuhito O.,
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[meteorite-list] My website is back up!

2006-02-15 Thread Michael Farmer


WOW, Yahoo totally sucks sometimes.
I use it because of the ease of updating and access overseas, but man, when 
you have a problem, we are talking HOURS of hold time on the phone.
After at least 10 calls, and just now getting a little testy with the 
imbeciles working there, I have got my website put back online.

So look away, although there have been no changes in the last month.
I do however, have over $100,000 in new goodies that I bought at the Tucson 
show to slowly start putting up, so new things will start going up in the 
next few days.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

Thank you Ron,

It didn't make sense to me, but every sample I saw photographed was the same 
blue matrix 
color.  Of _course_ one would hold it to the sun to show off the olivines and 
pyroxenes, 
thus reflecting the back sky in the iron.

Doh!

Gary

On 15 Feb 2006 at 17:17, Ron Baalke wrote:

> > 
> > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html
> > 
> 
> I thought you were referring to the color of the olivine crystals, but the
> crystals in this photo are the typical red/orange color you'd expect for any 
> pallasite.  The blue color is being reflected by the polished metal portion 
> of the pallasite, and the source of the blue color could be something as 
> simple as the sky, or a blue wall in the room.  The meteorite itself
> it not blue.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

Thanks Mike.  I figured that from Norm's post.  Sometimes the obvious escapes 
me.

Gary

On 15 Feb 2006 at 18:15, Michael Farmer wrote:

> Gary, it is nothing but lighting issues, it is nearly impossible to 
> photograph polished iron and get the crystals in at the same time, so the 
> iron must be in shadow, or it is to bright.
> Mike
> - Original Message - 
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> To: "Norm Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?
> 
> 
> > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html
> >
> > On 15 Feb 2006 at 17:00, Norm Lehrman wrote:
> >
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> No one has bothered to explain it because it doesn't
> >> happen.  What do you smoke just before you see this
> >> phenomenon?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Norm
> >> http://TektiteSource.com
> >>
> >> --- "Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can't seem to fnid an explanation online anywhere.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

2006-02-15 Thread Martin Horejsi

I suspect the finish level (ie polishing grit size) may cause some
wavelengths of light to be reflected better than others. Perhaps the
blue area wavelengths are reflected more more than other colors. Maybe
a really coarse finish might cause it to look more green or even red?
Just a guess.

In some translucent objects like icebergs, the blue wavelength is on
of the few that bounces around in the berg before exiting thus they
look blue. Where as the red etc. waves are abosorbed.

Cheers,

Martin

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> >
> > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html
> >
>
> I thought you were referring to the color of the olivine crystals, but the
> crystals in this photo are the typical red/orange color you'd expect for any
> pallasite.  The blue color is being reflected by the polished metal portion
> of the pallasite, and the source of the blue color could be something as
> simple as the sky, or a blue wall in the room.  The meteorite itself
> it not blue.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

> 
> http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html
> 

I thought you were referring to the color of the olivine crystals, but the
crystals in this photo are the typical red/orange color you'd expect for any 
pallasite.  The blue color is being reflected by the polished metal portion 
of the pallasite, and the source of the blue color could be something as 
simple as the sky, or a blue wall in the room.  The meteorite itself
it not blue.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

2006-02-15 Thread Michael Farmer

Gary, it is nothing but lighting issues, it is nearly impossible to 
photograph polished iron and get the crystals in at the same time, so the 
iron must be in shadow, or it is to bright.

Mike
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To: "Norm Lehrman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html

On 15 Feb 2006 at 17:00, Norm Lehrman wrote:

Gary,

No one has bothered to explain it because it doesn't
happen.  What do you smoke just before you see this
phenomenon?

Regards,
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html

On 15 Feb 2006 at 17:00, Norm Lehrman wrote:

> Gary,
> 
> No one has bothered to explain it because it doesn't
> happen.  What do you smoke just before you see this
> phenomenon?
> 
> Regards,
> Norm
> http://TektiteSource.com
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

2006-02-15 Thread Norm Lehrman

Gary,

No one has bothered to explain it because it doesn't
happen.  What do you smoke just before you see this
phenomenon?

Regards,
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com

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[meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

I can't seem to fnid an explanation online anywhere.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Recent Holbrook expedition

2006-02-15 Thread meteoriteplaya

Hi Dave
If you want to find the best material you must hunt with the best hunters. 
Which we did..more on that later.
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> Dear Mark, Dave, Mike and Bill;
> What is this I hear you were shown up at the field trip to the Holbrook 
> strewnfield recently ?
> Well guys, shouldn't ah let a girl come alongleast THAT one ;-)
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[meteorite-list] Acapulcoites and NWA 725

2006-02-15 Thread bernd . pauli

Stan and David kindly wrote:

As for NWA 725, here are the details as Stan shared them with me: 

Recent O-isotopic analysis of a probable paired stone...by the Open
University resolves the material clearly within the winonaite field.


Hello List,

Does anyone have a NWA 725 thin section and a winonaite thin section?
Maybe they could share their observations and conclusions with the List!

Just a few hours ago we were discussing the problems that may arise when
trying to "pair" meteorites, especially NWA's (from multiple sources). The
"infamous" NWA 869-ers I own and that I have seen look so different I can
hardly believe all of them are NWA 869. So, maybe Stan's paired stone and
the *original* Tissemoumine (NWA 725) are not the same material?!?

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Re: Stardust Findings To Be Presented at AAAS Meeting

I've confirmed that Don Brownlee will be presenting the
Stardust results.

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RE: [meteorite-list] NWA 725 Winonaite vs Acapulcoite

2006-02-15 Thread stan .

IMHO much more - if you bought nwa 725 as an acapulcoite you won the lottery 
as there is much less winonaite avalible to the collecting public - than 
there is acapulcoite - and this is doubly true for fresh winonaite material 
like the 725 and paired 725 material. Whereas for the acapulcoites there is 
plenty of nwa 125 and the 2656 / paired 2656 material floating around


FWIW there has been no official change int he classification, this has been 
the result of some sluething between David and myself - mostly myself if 
anyone wants to lay blaime for a change in status :)



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Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 725 Winonaite vs Acapulcoite Date: Wed, 15 
Feb 2006 14:23:17 -0600



Hi Stan & list,

I was wondering if changing the classification of NWA 725 from  Acapulcoite 
makes it worth more or less per gram?





NWA 725 is likely to actually be a winonaite. I had Open University do
O isotope on some paired material and it plots right on top of nwa  1463


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 725 Winonaite vs Acapulcoite

Its good read the work Evolution and classification of
acapulcoites and lodranites from a chemical point of
view of Andrea Patzer, Dolores H.Hill and William
V.Boynton

Matteo

--- Mike Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: 

> 
> Hi Stan & list,
> 
> I was wondering if changing the classification of
> NWA 725 from  
> Acapulcoite makes it worth more or less per gram?
> 
> 
> 
> > NWA 725 is likely to actually be a winonaite. I
> had Open University do
> > O isotope on some paired material and it plots
> right on top of nwa  
> > 1463
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[meteorite-list] NWA 725 Winonaite vs Acapulcoite

2006-02-15 Thread Mike Fowler



Hi Stan & list,

I was wondering if changing the classification of NWA 725 from  
Acapulcoite makes it worth more or less per gram?





NWA 725 is likely to actually be a winonaite. I had Open University do
O isotope on some paired material and it plots right on top of nwa  
1463


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Re: [meteorite-list] Acapulcoites are the third most common meteoritetype.

2006-02-15 Thread David Weir


Hello Martin,

As for NWA 725, here are the details as Stan shared them with me:

Recent O-isotopic analysis of a probable paired stone (number pending) 
by the Open University resolves the material clearly within the 
winonaite field:
"In particular, the D17O value of -0.431 is in reasonable agreement with 
the mean value of -0.48 for the winonaite-IAB iron-IIICD iron group 
determined by Clayton and Mayeda (1996)."
In addition, when plotted on a diagram comparing the D17O-isotopic value 
vs. Fa mol% in olivine (Rumble, III et al., 2005), NWA 725 (Fa 6.1; 
D17O-isotopic value taken from the paired stone [Turecki, 2005; pers. 
comm.]) and the winonaites NWA 1463 (Fa 7.4; D17O = -0.45‰), NWA 
1457 (Fa 5; D17O = -0.40 ±0.03‰), and NWA 1058 (Fa 6.5; D17O = 
-0.53‰) all plot very close together within the winonaite field. 
The inference can thus be made that NWA 725 is actually a winonaite, 
likely paired with the primitive winonaites NWA 1463 and 1058.


David
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[meteorite-list] Acapulcoites and NWA 725

2006-02-15 Thread bernd . pauli

FLOSS C. et al. (2002) Acapulcoite complexities: Clues from
trace element distributions (MAPS 37-7, 2002, A047, excerpts):


1. Acapulcoites and lodranites are primitive achondrites from a common parent
   body that experienced variable degrees of partial melting and melt migration.

2. NWA 725 exhibits features suggesting it may be more primitive than
   other acapulcoites, including the presence of relict chondrules.

3. NWA 725 shows evidence of more extensive heating
   that may have included some silicate partial melting.

4. NWA 725 orthopyroxenes have Ti, Zr and REE abundances that
   fall within the ranges observed for lodranite orthopyroxenes.

5. NWA 725 does not appear to be depleted in plagioclase and troilite.


Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] dhofar 200?

2006-02-15 Thread Gerald Flaherty

List, I came across a piece[27.9g] of "ugly" meteorite marked dhofar 200 
classification H4 from Michael Cottington, found in Oman Mar. 10, 2000.

I'm surprised that Google doesn't bring up any reference.
Any thoughts? Help?
Jerry Flaherty 


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RE: [meteorite-list] Acapulcoites are the third most common meteoritetype.


> NWA 725 is likely to actually a winonaite. I had
> Open University do o 
> isotopse on some paired material and it plots right
> on top of nwa 1463
>

NWA 725 its similar to my NWA 1058 and my NWA 1058 its
classificated primitive achondrite like winonaite, but
others put this to a acapulcoite, propably the oldest
acapulcoite in the heart.

Matteo


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[meteorite-list] AD - NEW Howardite - Beautiful - NWA 2794

2006-02-15 Thread Greg Hupe


Dear List Members,

I would like to announce a new and absolutely beautiful howardite, NWA 2794. 
It has a TKW of just 145 grams and after type sample, cutting and polishing 
losses, there is only 16 pieces left on eBay (started with 18) where I just 
listed them under my seller name, NaturesVault. Here are the direct links:


NEW - NWA 2794 Howardite (CS-complete slice, PS-part slice, EC-end cut)
13g CS
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11.4g CS
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6.3g CS
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8.7g EC
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6g PS
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4.2g EC
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4g PS
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2.6g PS
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2.1g PS
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1.8g PS
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1.6g PS
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1.4g PS
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1.2g PS
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910mg of Pieces
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632mg PS
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556mg PS
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I have also listed over the last few days many NWA 869-Paired Individuals 
(almost out of the bigger ones) and 1-kilo Lots, Unclassified Saharan 
individuals (some up to 16 kilos!) and 1-kilo Lots, along with my regular 
material. Some items that end in a couple hours are still at just 99 cents. 
I have material ending tonight, Monday and Tuesday, and of course my regular 
Wednesday items. I have been doing a lot of cleaning house and have been 
loading up a lot of great material at excellent prices, most with the "Buy 
it Now" feature. I will also be loading tonight, after my regular material, 
a lot of unclassified Saharans starting at just 99 cents.


Here are a few items of special interest:
NWA 2999 Angrite Thin Section (almost out) #1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604161206&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
NWA 2999 Angrite Thin Section (almost out) #2
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NWA 2999 Angrite Thin Section (almost out) #3
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604184412&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
NWA 2932 Mesosiderite 151.6g (priced at just $1.15 per gram!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604161893&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
NWA 2932 Mesosiderite 178.8g (priced at just $1.09 per gram!!)(Largest I 
have left)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604162258&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
NWA 1277 CO3.6 End Cut 51.2g (Priced to sell)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604176593&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite Thin Section (LAST ONE)
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NWA 2918 CO3.0 832mg Part Slice (Still at just 99 cents!!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6604182725&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
Gibeon Part Slice Sculptural "The Wave" 229g
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To see these and all that I have to offer, click on one of the above links 
and then click "View seller's other items". That. or go to eBay and search 
for items by seller, NaturesVault.


Best regards,

Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMCA 3163

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[meteorite-list] Studying Space Dust (Stardust)


http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2006/02/14.html

Studying Space Dust

Dartmouth College Office of Public Affairs - Press Release
Susan Knapp  (603) 646-3661
Feburary 14, 2006

When you work on space dust, it can be difficult to collect field data.
Luckily for some Dartmouth researchers, NASA's Stardust spacecraft has 
recently returned to earth, after a seven-year voyage, with some samples 
to study.

"We didn't even know until it landed whether there would be particles
for us," says Susan Taylor, an adjunct professor of Earth Sciences
and a research physical scientist at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' 
Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory .  "Seven years
is a long time to wait for your samples to arrive. Now we have to wait a
bit longer, because there's a line of other researchers who have also
been waiting."

Taylor expects her samples will arrive in a few months. The research is
part of the effort to learn more about comets and other interstellar
particles to better understand how our universe was made and what it's
made of.

"We want to learn how it formed, why it formed, and what's happened
since," she says. "This will help us piece together the story of our
solar system."

Taylor is working with Charles Daghlian, director of Dartmouth's
Electron Microscope Facility, and with undergraduate intern Emily 
Koepsell '09 on "bulk analysis." In other words, they will examine the 
bigger chunks captured by Stardust, which, in fact, only measure about 
20-50 microns across, less than the thickness of a piece of paper. About 
160 research teams worldwide are looking at the Stardust particles, and 
Taylor and Daghlian are part of the bulk chemistry examination group.

Koepsell, a participant in Dartmouth's Women in Science Project,
or WISP, will be helping Taylor and Daghlian. She started her internship 
in January, and has been learning how to use the scanning electron 
microscope, a piece of equipment that uses electrons to create 
detailed 3-D images of very tiny items.

"When WISP announced its internships, this specific project jumped out
at me because it sounded unique and involved the use of a piece of
technology that I may never otherwise have the chance to operate," says
Koepsell. "I love running the SEM, and I have learned how to take photos
of the micrometeorites, do elemental analyses on them, and classify them
based on their composition and structure. I am continuing to finesse the
skills needed to correctly operate the SEM."

Daghlian says that he has been working with Taylor to co-sponsor WISP
interns for at least ten years. The instrumentation he oversees has been
useful in examining material for Taylor's more earthly research
endeavors: studying micrometeorites collected from the drinking water at
the South Pole. Koepsell's internship includes helping analyze the South
Pole micrometeorite samples that will be compared to the material from
space.

Stardust flew in the wake of a comet called Wild 2, and the samples were
captured using a new material called aerogel. Also called solid smoke,
aerogel was specifically designed to slow down, cushion, and store the
material from the comet's tail that hits the aerogel at a speed of five
kilometers per second (more than 11,000 miles per hour).

"Susan and I planned to have our WISP intern working on the
micrometeorites," says Daghlian, "so it was natural to extend Emily's
work to include participation in the Stardust project. It's a great
experience for Emily."

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[meteorite-list] Potential Link Between Iron Meteorites And Earth Building Blocks

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Potential_Link_Between_Iron_Meteorites_And_Earth_Building_Blocks.html

Potential Link Between Iron Meteorites And Earth Building Blocks
SpaceDaily
February 15, 2006

Boulder CO (SPX) - Iron meteorites are probably the surviving fragments
of the long-lost asteroid-like bodies that formed the Earth and other
nearby rocky planets, according to researchers from Southwest Research
Institute (SwRI) and Observatoire de la Cote d'Azur in Nice, France. Their
findings are described in the Feb.16 issue of Nature.

Iron meteorites, which are composed of iron and nickel alloys, represent
some of the earliest material formed in the solar system, with most
coming from the cores of small asteroids. According to Dr. William
Bottke, an SwRI research scientist and leader of the joint U.S.-French
team, iron-meteorite parent bodies probably emerged from the same disk
of planetary debris that produced the Earth and other inner solar system
planets.

"Small bodies that form quickly in the inner solar system end up melting
and differentiating from the decay of short-lived radioactive elements,"
explains Bottke. "Iron meteorites came from the molten material that
sinks to the center of these objects, cools and solidifies."

For these meteorites to arrive on Earth, they must have been extracted
from their parent bodies and kept around for billions of years. The
team's computer simulations found that any asteroids managing to avoid
being gobbled up by the planets were quickly demolished by impacts. Each
breakup, however, produces millions of fragments, many in the form of
iron meteorites. These leftovers were scattered across the solar system
by gravitational interactions with protoplanetary bodies, with some
reaching the relative safety of the asteroid belt. Over billions of
years, a few of the survivors escaped their captivity in the asteroid
belt and were delivered to Earth.

"This means that certain iron meteorites may tell us what the precursor
material for the primordial Earth was like, while also helping us unlock
several fundamental questions about the Earth's origins," says Bottke.
"There's also the possibility that larger versions of this material may
still be hiding among the asteroids. The hunt for them is on."

A New Way To Look At Iron Meteorites

A potential problem in using meteorites to understand the formation of
Earth and other terrestrial planets Mercury, Venus and Mars is that
most come from the distant asteroid belt. This population of
interplanetary bodies, ranging from tiny pebbles to Texas-sized objects,
is located between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter about 140 million
miles from Earth.

Most members of the asteroid belt are assumed to have formed there, so
the vast majority of meteorite samples tell us about formation events in
that region, not those that took place near Earth. Meteorite
compositions are so diverse, however, that it is difficult to reconcile
that all came from this one, fairly narrow region of space.

"While tens of thousands of stony meteorites have been collected, most
can be traced back to perhaps a few tens of parent asteroids," says Dr.
Alessandro Morbidelli of the Observatorie de la Cote d'Azur. "What is
strange is that the iron meteorites, despite their smaller numbers,
represent almost two-thirds of all of the unique parent asteroids
sampled to date."

To explain this discrepancy, the team tracked the origin and evolution
of iron-meteorite parent bodies using several computer models. They
found that while many iron meteorites are likely residing in the
asteroid belt today, their precursors probably did not form there.
Instead, the simulations indicate that the precursors of most iron
meteorites formed in the terrestrial planet region.

To investigate this hypothesis, the researchers first examined the
constraints provided by the meteorites themselves. Iron meteorites are
unusual in that most come from the disrupted cores of small melted
(differentiated) asteroids that formed very early in solar system
history. These are precisely the kinds of bodies that computer models
predict should have formed near Earth.

"It is hard to produce small differentiated bodies in the asteroid belt
without also melting lots of large asteroids," explains Dr. Robert
Grimm, assistant director of the SwRI Space Studies Department. "These
events would produce a number of telltale signs that would be easily
detected by observers."

Using computer simulations, the team then tracked how a disk of
asteroid-like bodies interacting with a host of protoplanetary objects
in the terrestrial planet region might evolve. Simulations showed that
some of these asteroid-like bodies could have scattered far enough to
take up residence in the asteroid belt.

"While the amount of material reaching the asteroid belt was limited,
much of it was placed in regions likely to produce meteorites," says
SwRI Research Scientist Dr. David Nesvorny. En route to the asteroid
belt, the parent

[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images: February 9-15, 2006


MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES
February 9-15, 2006

The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on
the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available:

o South Polar Terraces (Released 09 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/09

o Syrtis Crater (Released 10 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/10

o South Polar Terrain (Released 11 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/11

o Tithonium Landslide (Released 12 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/12

o Chryse Plains (Released 13 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/13

o Valentine 2006 (Released 14 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/14

o Mars at Ls 12 Degrees (Released 15 February 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/02/15


All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here:

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html

Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been
in Mars orbit since September 1997.   It began its primary
mapping mission on March 8, 1999.  Mars Global Surveyor is the 
first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as 
the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office
of Space Science, Washington, DC.  Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS)
and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC
using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates
the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion
Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global
Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin
Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO.

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[meteorite-list] Mars Express Images: Pits and tectonic grabens in Phlegethon Catena


http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM24SLVGJE_0.html

Pits and tectonic grabens in Phlegethon Catena
Mars Express
European Space Agency 
9 February 2006

These images, taken by the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board
ESA's Mars Express spacecraft, show pits and tectonic "grabens" in the
Phlegethon Catena region of Mars.
 
 
[Map showing Phlegethon Catena in context]

The HRSC obtained these images during orbit 1217 with a ground
resolution of approximately 11.9 metres per pixel. The scenes show the
region of Phlegethon Catena, centred at approximately 33.9° South and
253.1° East.

Located south-east of the Alba Patera volcano, Phlegethon Catena is a
region exhibiting a high density of tectonic grabens, which are blocks
of terrain that have dropped relative to their surroundings as a result
of a geological extension of the crust.

 

[Colour view of Phlegethon Catena]

In the colour image (left), this swarm of grabens trends roughly
north-east to south-west, with individual widths ranging from
approximately one half to ten kilometres.

The series of closely spaced depressions that exhibit a similar
orientation to the grabens is described by the term "catena".

 
[Black and white nadir view of Phlegethon Catena]

These depressions are rimless, circular to elliptical and range from
roughly 0.3 to 2.3 kilometres across.

The grabens may have formed as the result of stresses associated with
the formation of Alba Patera, which rises three to four kilometres above
the surrounding plains, or the Tharsis rise to the south, which reaches
up to ten kilometres high.

 

[Perspective view of Phlegethon Catena - looking north]

It is unclear what process is responsible for the chain of depressions.

One possibility is the collapse of the surface due to the removal of
subsurface materials, while other suggestions include that tension
cracks may have formed in the subsurface and caused subsequent collapse.

 
 
The colour scenes have been derived from the three HRSC-colour channels
and the nadir channel. The perspective views have been calculated from
the digital terrain model derived from the stereo channels.

The 3D anaglyph image was calculated from the nadir and one stereo
channel. Image resolution has been decreased for use on the internet.

[Perspective view of Phlegethon Catena - looking south]
 

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RE: [meteorite-list] Acapulcoites are the third most common meteoritetype.

2006-02-15 Thread stan .







The supposedly paired NWA 2656 - 2699 - 2871
have alone 7.5kg - 1.294 - 3.47 together 12kg = more than half of all
Acap-material on Earth.


to clear things up - my 3.47kg is part of the 7.5kg written about in 2656


NWA 725 has 3.8kg
Dho 125   7.5kg
Acapulco 1.9kg


NWA 725 is likely to actually a winonaite. I had Open University do o 
isotopse on some paired material and it plots right on top of nwa 1463




Why you all loose always sight of the greater context?

Well, back to comparing the stuff with diamonds (Yhaaa Doug).
We have estimated 680,000kg of diamonds worth to be worked on,
And 23kg of acapulcoites.
The Hupes are selling at 40-50$/g and for a mediocre quality diamond,
brilliant cut smth around 100.000$+/g or so, I'm not a specialist.


supply is irrelevant without demand. if we had debeers marketing meteorites 
as THE way to show your love to a woman, I'd be one happy camper - that is 
ofcourse the trend only took hold after I finished my type colelction at 
todays prices ;)



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[meteorite-list] Genesis, Stardust Samples Sent Out For Study


http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=3943

Space samples sent out for study

Scientists begin their analysis of Sun samples from the crashed Genesis
probe and comet samples returned by Stardust.

Michael Carroll
Astronomy Magazine
February 14, 2006

The soft landing of the Stardust capsule in January contrasted sharply
with the Genesis probe's crash 16 months earlier. Despite this
difference, scientists are busy analyzing the samples each spacecraft
returned to Earth.

Genesis update

After a 3-year journey collecting solar particles, Genesis returned to
Earth in similar fashion to Stardust. But a failed parachute sent the
craft careening into the desert floor at 193 mph (311 kilometers/hour).
Delicate collector panels were left in shards, covered with desert
debris. "We expected to have 250 samples," says principal investigator
Don Burnett. "Now, we have 15,000 pieces to work with."

That's plenty to supply the world's scientific community with particles
from the solar wind, says Burnett, but the work is made difficult by the
contamination from Genesis' rough landing, and from internal
contamination from the spacecraft itself. "It's been slow, but we
haven't given up on any of our goals. It's just that everything is a lot
harder now," he adds.

Already, researchers have identified ions originating from the Sun.
"There are three kinds of solar wind," Burnett explains. "The spacecraft
was able to move the collection panels in and out to get data from
different types. We've already analyzed noble gases [helium, neon and
argon], as they are not too sensitive to this type of contamination. We
want to measure the ratios of isotopes of elements from the Sun's
surface, and we now have direct data. We're getting interesting and
important results even at this early stage."

After the chaotic events of the spacecraft's landing, scientists
anxiously awaited the release of Genesis samples. Over 100 samples have
already been sent to nearly 20 labs around the globe. As
Lockheed/Martin's Benton Clark, an investigator on the Stardust team,
says, "We want everybody to know that Genesis is a great success." After
a nearly disastrous return to Earth, the painstaking work of countless
engineers and researchers has salvaged the mission. Genesis promises to
revolutionize our knowledge of the Sun, the solar wind, and even the
beginnings of our solar system.

Stardust update

Stardust samples are already on their way to investigators throughout
the world, but the mission's dangerous touchdown was even more
nerve-wracking in light of Genesis' landing. Last month, Stardust's
return capsule streaked across the sky above the Utah desert and landed
gently on a muddy plain. The craft carried samples of Comet Wild 2 and
interstellar dust. "The entire sky lit up in a golden-red glow," says
Clark.

He was also in Houston to witness the capsule's opening at the Johnson
Space Center. Tennis racquet-size collectors with aerogel surfaces used
one side to collect interstellar dust, while the opposite face was
exposed to Comet Wild 2's coma.

The interstellar dust side was revealed first. "It was absolutely
pristine, which one would expect since the particles are thought to be
on the order of one micron," says Clark. But he was more delighted to
see the comet side, unveiled 15 minutes later. "You could see big
splotches, almost like bird droppings." By studying comets, which date
to the solar system's formation, scientists hope to understand how the
solar system has evolved.

Michael Carroll is a science writer and astronomical artist, and author
of nearly 20 children's science books. He lives with his family in Colorado.

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[meteorite-list] Stardust Findings To Be Presented at AAAS Meeting



Feb. 14, 2006

Erica Hupp/Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
(202) 358-1237/1726 

MEDIA ADVISORY: M06-024

NASA ANNOUNCES AAAS MEDIA EVENTS

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[meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite

2006-02-15 Thread bernd . pauli

Hello John K.,

Thank you very much for the "quick" thin section pictures of Adam's ACAP
and whichever other acapulcoites are more or less probably paired with.

These pics are much more interesting and even more beautiful than all
the talk about assumed or real pairings and TKW's of these acapulcoites!

The low-magnification overview picture is of particular interest because of
the coarser crystals nestled snugly into the smaller crystals that surround
them. Beautiful, equigranular olivine and pyroxene crystals.

Thanks for sharing them!


Hello Mark B.,

Mark wrote that he was surprised at how small the mineral crystals were
in acapulcoites when he got it under his scope at home. But this is not
so very surprising after all.

A very simplified answer may be that crystals in acapulcoites experienced
less heat when they recrystallized (at shallower depths?) whereas lodranites
may have undergone higher temperatures (at greater depths? - where their
crystals also had more time to grow).

References:

McSWEEN H.Y. (1999) Meteorites and Their Parent Planets
(Cambridge University Press, p. 144).

HUTCHISON R. (2004) Meteorites: A Petrologic, Chemical, and Isotopic
Synthesis (Cambridge Planetary Science Series, pp. 250).

FLOSS C. (2000) Complexities on the acapulcoite-lodranite parent
body: Evidence from trace element distributions in silicate minerals
(MAPS 35-5, 2000, pp. 1073-1085).

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Videos

2006-02-15 Thread Gerald Flaherty


Wow Jeff thanks for the time it took to make these available. COOL!
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:56 AM
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Hi Sterling,

You could also try the following link! ;-)

www.meteorites.com.au/films/

Cheers,

Jeff


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Videos


Hi,

   Google has a beta of a new Google service:
Video Search at http://www.video.google.com/
Searches for "bolide" and "fireball" produced
nothing of interest (assuming you don't care for
clips of things that "blow up good"!), but a search
for "meteor" produced several clips that actually
were of meteors (out of a lot of junk):



   Disappointingly, all the videos are in a proprietary
Google format; the downloadable player is a cobble
of Macromedia Flash (useless); and I haven't found
any sure way to get to the original source of the clips...

   But you can watch them, at least.


Sterling K. Webb

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[meteorite-list] Acapulcoites are the third most common meteorite type.

2006-02-15 Thread Martin Altmann

Ayyy!!!

No, such strings are as old as the mountains - it's always the same tkw-,
number-salad-, pairing issue.

The old crux of all NWA-material, of which really each collector should be
aware.
And if a collector or a seller can't cope with that situation, he should
switch to the names or to the documented Oman finds.

We simply have to wait until or whether the pairings of the rare types will
onve be put together again.
Unfortunately there are so few collectors, imagine the IMCA had 40.000
paying members, then one could easily employ an experienced person to
compare thin sections ect, to lift the fog.
Easier would be, if, and that was new here, the sellers would more often
confess, as far as they know, that they took the quite same material from
the same source or from the same chain of sources, then one would had less
work in future.

To contribute smth constructive:

I feel this discussion, whether that a purchase find has 100grams or 10kg
with that rare type obsolete.
Old MacMartin dances the timewarp:
Do you know, what you had to spend in the period of 2000/2001, (that time,
when the first NWA-OCs came to market with 1.5$/g) for an acapulcoite?

For Acapulco you paid 1000-1200$/g
And for Monument Draw 650-1000$/g.
Ask Arnold, ask Elliott, ask Cintron.
Dhofar 125 wasn't out yet, no Acap was found among the SAHs, nor among the
early Libyan finds,
so if you wanted to have that type, you hadn't a choice.

So where the heck is the problem, when the Hupes offer it at 40$/g? Does it
really matters, whether the stone was fist sized or football sized?

Do you think you will have in 3 years still the chance to get that stuff so
dirt cheap?
 
Again, why you don't use the fine Meteoritical Database, it's free!
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

We have always to be aware of what we talking about!

There you'll find
22,3kg
nonantarctic acapulcoites

and 0.5kg antarctic acapulcoites.

>From the 22.3kg
There we have 9 NWA-numbers + now that number 2989, you are argueing about, 

and here in the discussion we heard, that paired could be
2656-2699-2714-2866-2871-2989 and 1052-1054, so we may reduce the 10
NWA-numbers to 4 falls only or less, if someone would check NWA 3008, 2627,
- 725 is an own one.

4 Dhofars, where Dho 125 and 312 are paired. The other 2 I would have to
look.

1 Superior Valley bogey of 1.7grams

Acapulco as single fall

Monument Draw

AND THAT'S ALL, folks!

The weights are also distributed quite unequal.

The supposedly paired NWA 2656 - 2699 - 2871 
have alone 7.5kg - 1.294 - 3.47 together 12kg = more than half of all
Acap-material on Earth.

NWA 725 has 3.8kg
Dho 125   7.5kg
Acapulco 1.9kg

and all the rest are small, down to tiny stones.

So with my best will I can't understand, how someone seriously could attack
the Hupes, cause they sell their Acap as "Ultra rare"!
We have perhaps only a dozen (I'm to lazy to sort out the antactic pairings)
different ACAP falls in history and on Earth,
the weight of all material together is 23kg.
Why you all loose always sight of the greater context?

Well, back to comparing the stuff with diamonds (Yhaaa Doug).
We have estimated 680,000kg of diamonds worth to be worked on,
And 23kg of acapulcoites.
The Hupes are selling at 40-50$/g and for a mediocre quality diamond,
brilliant cut smth around 100.000$+/g or so, I'm not a specialist.

And at least to the dealers involved in that discussion I have to say, how
can you be so incredible stupid!!!
You're throwing around with numbers, blaming each other to have same stuff
or not, telling this could be paired and this not,
all this without giving to the new collectors a frame, which would make the
ACAP-thing transparent.

Do you know, what Larry, Garry, Darry and Harry are thinking now after this
very discussion (indepently from the impressions of the individual posters
they got)?

They think, that acapulcoites aren't that special, they think the offerors
in general aren't honest, they think that acapulcoites must be common and
not rare
and they are thinking, that in Morocco there is waiting a diffuse amount of
ACAP of certainly some hundredweights waiting to enter the market.

Consequently they wont buy, even not at 40$, and in a few years, when they
will have more experience, then it will be to late, the rare types will be
much more expensive again,
thus they simply miss that opportunity now.

(and many thanks, that when we, da boyz, will have soon ready the
classification of our ACAP and we will offer them at 40$ for minute slices,
that then again only the veteran and experienced collectors will buy and not
the relatively new collectors, because they think, there is no hurry, the
stuff isn't rare and the price is to high and the Altmann want to convince
me, to buy unattractive crap and that I'll have to spend many days with
fighting against windmills).

Advice to the newer collectors:
Meteorites are not growing like mushrooms out of the ground.
Even with the desert rush, there weren't, ther

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