Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter

[MexicoDoug]

Chris wrote:

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Hola Chris and Sterling,
 
You guys need to attach more numbers to these arguments imo with  sensitivity 
analysis.  Concretely, that meteorite in Darren's  picture-considering its 
shape-would be going about 47m/s (105mph), and not less  than 40 m/s (89mph) 
and 
not more than 60 m/s (134 mph).  The worst  case is the energy of a fast ball 
in the company baseball league, though  likelyhood is half that.
 
There are lots of ways to throw a fastball and bruise a grandma or loosen  
old plaster that your fingers can push through anyway.
 
_http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html_ 
(http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html) 
 
FYI here is a thread I posted to in Mar of 2004 on the subject of  speeds of 
falling meteorites.  I don't think there is all that much  uncertainty to the 
practical endpoints of how fast they can hit as terminal  velocity is reached 
easily in virtually all these cases, (the latter which Chris  has mentioned).  
 
I wouldn't hesitate to catch a baseball sized meteorite in the pocket of a  
baseball mit, though I am sure that that same falling rock would easily break  
someone's arm.  People can karate chop wood in half with bare  hands and the 
plaster of old homes can really be falling apart, how many of  us have put our 
hands through the wall on ocassion, so I don't see anything odd  with the 
results.  People who get punched get bruised all the time,  heck, some people 
get 
bruises on their butts from just sitting down.   Once the misconception is 
overcome that meteorites have retained cosmic  velocity it just becomes a 
question on how big the rock is and what it  hits.  An ordinary tale of sticks 
and 
stones and bones.  I was  carrying an iron in the back of my pickup and driving 
like a demon a while  back.  Didn't see a dip in the road and there was a rock 
in the back of my  truck.  When the truck was back on all fours again, the 
rock was still at  zero g, and now I have this great crater to show for it. 
They 
just don't  make the tinbed pickups like they used to...
 
Here's the calculations if you want to go through them.  A bowling  ball 
sized chondrite (11.25cm radius) weighs less than 23 kg and falls at about  291 
mph (130 m/s) (see prior post link provided above).  The terminal  velocity 
varies by the sqrt(mass)/sqrt(x-sectional area).  So for the  same material in 
a 
sphere mass increases with r^3 but cross sectional area with  r^2.  The 
dependence reduces to simply velocity being proportional to the  square root of 
the 
radius.  Thus a 50 gram sphere = 13.7 cc, r=1.49 cm  can fall at 36% of the 
bowling ball which gives the 47 m/s ball park you're  all in.  In that email I 
also checked the practical limits by  flattening it to a shield(3.3):(3.3):1 
and 
orienting it in a 3:1 length:diameter  ratio and found that  the terminal 
velocity range was 90-130-211  (m/s), in other words 
69%(shield):100%(sphere):162%(oriented).  That's a  range of 1:2.35 from 
slowest to fastest.  Without 
messing with the radicals  since it is late, if we apply the same factors to 
the 
50 gram piece, we see the  speed range to hit the guy who though he was going 
fishing is 32.5 m/s (the  speed of a typical baseball fastball but only 30% the 
energy) on the low end and  76 m/s (a major league record fastball's energy) 
on the fast end.  The  energy difference is a theoretical factor of 5 
(76/32.5)^2.  But those are  the real extremes.  If we assume they are 
representing a 
couple of sigma  deviation, everything like the one in Darren's picture is in 
the  40 to 60 m/s range to bracket the 47 m/s. with reasonably a  double 
whammy packed in the fastest ones vs. slowest in this range.
 
Even after taking into consideration reasonable altitudes (Colorado has a  
somewhat thinner atmosphere causing the retention of a bit higher  terminal 
velocity...for example, than say New Orleans, and that 10 mph  seabreeze, the 
meteorite that hit that guy would have had a bit less than the  energy of a 
company baseball league fastball's energy.  And if it hits old  plaster will 
break 
some loose, and if it hits granny can break a bone and  definitely give a black 
and blue mark.  But if it hits Steve, the Jensens  or several other burly 
collectors out there on the shoulder blade it might  actually feel good even 
before they knew what hit them.
 
Saludos, Doug
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter

[Sterling K. Webb]

Chris,

   You do the medical profession of the XIXth
century a great disservice, particularly from the
period following the Napoleonic Wars which,
for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate
here, transformed medicine from medieval
scholasticism to true science.

   Many people assume that because physicians
had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's
doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it.
On the contrary, many were forced to be better.
In the particular matter of amputation, warfare,
especially with artillery, had made this a particularly
well understood therapeutic problem.

   It is true that amputation was more commonly
performed in the XIXth century, but that is due
to untreatable infections that threatened the life of
the patient. The conditions which required it were
also well understood, what degree of sepsis and
so forth.

   I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish
injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many
large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone
possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the
many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately
the correct position, but additionally, the muscles
which would have maintained the positioning of the
bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon-
structible degree, and all the intervening vascular
tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There
would have been no blood supply to the injured
area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation
was the medically correct treatment, and might
still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today.

   It is just barely possible that now, with a collection
of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in
the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's
saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts
too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain
of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been
saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve
function distal to the injury site and little function to the
limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses
on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong
massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro-
myographic stimulation would be required.

   I think you're seen too many Western movies
where "Doc" is a hopeless drunk with a five-day
beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown,
and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by
pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have
had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment
industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality.

   Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was
a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt
that there were any more bad doctors then than now
(not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard
practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in
those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor.
Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die...
Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to
another doctor until you find one that gets the job
done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper.

   Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably
already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive
on the basis of crude generalities that have little to do
with reality.


Sterling K. Webb

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To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter


And in the 19th century, people had their arms (or worse) amputated 
sometimes for the most trivial of injuries, so I'm not sure what we can 
conclude about that meteorite, either.


Chris




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[meteorite-list] Re: Curation Comparison

[Herbert Raab]

OK, messsage understood. The differences between the anonymous
private collector and the scientist are:

  (i) The collector has a big chunck of space rock, the scientist
  only microscopic crumbles.

 (ii) The collector has a lot of fun with his piece, the scientist
  has not.

Did I get that right...? ;^)

  Cheers,
Herbert Raab



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AW: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter

[Martin Altmann]

Interesting for injuries caused by small meteorites may be stats and cases
of mortality and severe accidents caused by hail.
I have currently not the time to browse around on web, but for instance last
weekend a hailstorm caused enormous damage in Leipzig, Germany. At least 6
people suffered lacerations
and the web is full with reports. So I found, that some weeks ago 230 sheeps
were slain by hailstones, 36,000 ducks on 14th of June 1957 in Canada,
thousands of birds during the hailstorm of 1903 in Osnabrueck, a 3 months
old baby in an open carriage 1897...and so on.
Hailstones have a size of small meteorites and will have similar velocities.

Buckleboo!
Martin


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling
K. Webb
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2006 09:29
An: Chris Peterson; Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter

Chris,

You do the medical profession of the XIXth
century a great disservice, particularly from the
period following the Napoleonic Wars which,
for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate
here, transformed medicine from medieval
scholasticism to true science.

Many people assume that because physicians
had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's
doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it.
On the contrary, many were forced to be better.
In the particular matter of amputation, warfare,
especially with artillery, had made this a particularly
well understood therapeutic problem.

It is true that amputation was more commonly
performed in the XIXth century, but that is due
to untreatable infections that threatened the life of
the patient. The conditions which required it were
also well understood, what degree of sepsis and
so forth.

I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish
injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many
large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone
possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the
many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately
the correct position, but additionally, the muscles
which would have maintained the positioning of the
bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon-
structible degree, and all the intervening vascular
tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There
would have been no blood supply to the injured
area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation
was the medically correct treatment, and might
still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today.

It is just barely possible that now, with a collection
of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in
the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's
saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts
too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain
of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been
saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve
function distal to the injury site and little function to the
limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses
on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong
massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro-
myographic stimulation would be required.

I think you're seen too many Western movies
where "Doc" is a hopeless drunk with a five-day
beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown,
and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by
pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have
had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment
industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality.

Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was
a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt
that there were any more bad doctors then than now
(not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard
practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in
those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor.
Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die...
Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to
another doctor until you find one that gets the job
done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper.

Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably
already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive
on the basis of crude generalities that have little to do
with reality.


Sterling K. Webb

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter


> And in the 19th century, people had their arms (or worse) amputated 
> sometimes for the most trivial of injuries, so I'm not sure what we can 
> conclude about that meteorite, either.
>
> Chris
>
> 

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[meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT

[Robert Verish]

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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Valentin Grigore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject:  METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) 

METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) 
- Andrei Dorian Gheorghe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alastair
McBeath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Valentin Grigore
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -

In this issue: 

I. FALLEN STAR
II. METEOR DIALOGUES
III. METEOR POEMS 
IV. HUMOROUS METEOR TRIALOGUE
V. PERSEIDS - ROMANIAN MEMORIES  
VI. MAGELLANIC CLOUDS AND METEORS 

Previous issues:   
-Leonid 2002 Poetry – prologue, December 2002 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1088   
-MCPP (1), June 2003 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1177   
-MCPP (2), December 2003 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1321   
-MCPP (3), June 2004 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1392   
-The Song of the IMC – a September 2004
supplement 
by Jeremie Vaubaillon 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1455   
-MCPP (4), December 2004 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1507   

-MCPP (5), June 2005 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1573   
-MCPP (6), December 2005 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1649   


The next issue, for which we wait for submissions,
will appear at the winter solstice 2006. 
- Coordinators - 

"I wish all of you many moments of appreciation of the
beauty of the world, not in the least of the night sky
and of meteors!" 
- Cis Verbeeck (Belgium) - 

I. FALLEN STAR

COSMIC STONES 
- by Arnold Leinweber (1920-2006, Romania) - 

We know that the meteoroids 
gravitating without station 
could be virtual meteors. 

We also know that Terra 
travelling on its own orbit 
has a cloth - 
the protecting atmosphere. 

In contact with the atmosphere, 
they begin to disintegrate
seeming to be falling stars. 

If they do not totally burn 
in the atmosphere, 
they drop on Terra - 

a strange blend 
becoming museum pieces. 
The End. 

II. METEOR DIALOGUES

FALLING STARS 
- by Iulian Olaru (Romania) and Dan Mitrut (Romania) -


Iulian Olaru: 
Last night, a +2 magnitude meteor, coming from the
zenith to the left of Gemini, made me think of the
folk belief that someone dies when a star falls…


Dan Mitrut: 
Another folk belief says that meteors are human souls
climbing the sky at the person's birth. These beliefs
are not contradictory, but complementary, because the
people tried to transcend cosmic matter, to give soul
to the sky and to give sense to the phenomena. That
was the road from metaphysics to spirituality…  

METEORIC PHILOSOPHY OF THE EPHEMERIDES 
- by Mohamad Magdy (Egypt) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe
(Romania) - 

Mohamad Magdy:
I could make astronomical ephemerides for stars,
comets, asteroids and all celestial phenomena…
All I
need is a work team to share… for goodness! 

Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: 
Unfortunately, the meteors are so ephemeral… 

ANOTHER YEAR 
- by John Francis Haines (U.K.) and Andrei Dorian
Gheorghe (Romania) - 

John Francis Haines: 
Very cold here, out mostly dry - in fact, it's been a
very dry winter altogether. The garden's stirring into
life, which means that Spring is just around the
corner, then the endless round of lawn-mowing,
hedge-clipping, will begin again for another year. 

Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: 
As well as the meteor observational campaigns, in
order to take care of the celestial garden.   

III. METEOR POEMS 

SPHERICAL GEOMETRY 
- by Diana Maria Ogescu (Romania) - 

The Sky is an immense cupola. 
Heterogeneous seeds bear fruit, 
as in a solarium. 
>From seeds with people 
I came up too. 
Abyssal germens gave birth 
to the planets with orbits 
and fireball heads. 

METEOR 
- by Boris Marian (Romania) - 

Once, in the deep night, 
I heard a meteor passing. 
I'll never forget 
that late moment of rest, 
I seemed like a dead person alive, 
overwhelmed with fear, 
for that meteor didn't extinguish itself, 
but it said, with the voice of a raven… 

on my word, it was a meteor 
saying to me just: "Nevermore." 

LYRIDS 
- by Michaela Al. Orescu (Romania) - 

rumours of light 
the god Orpheus' lyre 
drips in April

A TEAR FROM THE SKY 
- by Tania Tilici (Romania) - 

A tear from the sky comes to melt into the sea. 
Noise of the tear disturbs the waters, 
But after a while the sweet calm returns 
And the sea rearranges its blue ribbons 
As if nothing had happened. 

A child watching asks: 
"Oh, sky, 
Is your mirror so peaceful?"

A NIGHT OF THE ETA AQUARIDS 
- by Alina Istrate (Romania) - 

I'm sorry_ 
the theme for today seems to have escaped 
into a parallel universe… 

I try to sketch an image 
of last night's sky, 
but whatever I would say, 
nothing compares with the feeling 
awake when all around you sleep 
(excepting a few drunken men,
as stray as Eta Aquarid meteors), 
and you watch the stars… 
that immense universe 
with invincible barriers… 

Only by dreaming I can travel 
through the galaxies 
I patiently try to find…

FIREBA

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Curation Comparison

[Alexander Seidel]

> OK, messsage understood. The differences between the anonymous
> private collector and the scientist are:
> 
>   (i) The collector has a big chunck of space rock, the scientist
>   only microscopic crumbles.
> 
>  (ii) The collector has a lot of fun with his piece, the scientist
>   has not.
> 
> Did I get that right...? ;^)


Sure! And then:

   (iii) That "anonymous" (...?? :-)) collector can rock´n roll,
 while the scientist will roll the rock!

Alex
Berlin, Germany
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[meteorite-list] Armanty?

[Martin Altmann]

Ist hat the Armanty mass?

http://kuerzer.de/armanti

Buckleboo!
Martin

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Re: [meteorite-list] Armanty?

[Alexander Seidel]

> Ist that the Armanty mass?
> http://kuerzer.de/armanti 
> Buckleboo!
> Martin

Here a supplement to Martin´s question:

A large mass of iron was found before before 1900; in 1965 it was transported 
to its present location in Urumchi, V.F.Buchwald, Handbook of Iron Meteorites, 
1975, 2, p.274; see also, Sky and Teleskope, 1965, p.347. Description, 
analysis, 9.92% Ni, O.S.Vyalov, Meteoritika, 1949, 5, p.23. Analysis, 9.09% Ni, 
M.I.Dyakonova, Meteoritika, 1958, 16, p.180 Meteoritika, 1959, 17, p.96. Listed 
with references, D.Bian, Meteoritics, 1981, 16, p.120. Classification and 
analysis, 9.1% Ni, 16.2 ppm Ga, 31.5 ppm Ge, 0.23 ppm Ir, A.Kracher et al., 
GCA, 1980, 44, p.773. The weight of the Armanty mass is about 28 tons, the 
third largest meteoritic mass in the world, Y.Chen and Y.Sun, Geochimica, 1986, 
p.271. Detailed description, study of compositional variation, J.T.Wasson et 
al., Meteoritics, 1988, 23, p.365. Listed, the correct name is Xinjiang, Y.Chen 
and D.Wang, Meteoritics, 1994, 29, p.886. Further analysis, N.Sugiura et al., 
MAPS, 2000, 35, p.749.

main mass: Wulumuqi, Exhibition Center
930g: Beijing, Planetarium
44.4g: Moscow, Acad. Sci.
17.5g: Algonquin, DuPont Colln.
3.3g: Los Angeles, Univ. of Calif.

(source: MetBase 7.1)
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[meteorite-list] Feeling lucky? Tape a magnet to the bottom of a camel.

[Darren Garrison]

At least, according to this article.


http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1189656.php

Thursday, June 22, 2006 

He owns his piece of the sky
Collectors of meteorites pay astronomical sums to lay hands on these unearthly
treasures. 

By TOM BERG 
The Orange County Register 

GARDEN GROVE – Something lit up the Norwegian sky on June 7. A streaking
fireball. Caught on film. Followed by an earth-shaking impact recorded at the
Karasjok seismic lab at 2:13:25 a.m.

It became international news when University of Oslo astronomer Knut Jorgen Roed
Odegaard told a local newspaper: "If the meteorite was as large as it seems to
have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb."

Those words assured that Norway's meteor would light up more than the heavens.
It lit up the faces of a rare new breed - meteorite hunters who scour the globe
for space treasure worth as much as $25,000 a gram - and the collectors who fund
such expeditions. Collectors like Dave Radosevich.

In just eight years, Radosevich, 42, of Garden Grove has amassed more than 300
meteorites - including pieces of the moon and Mars and a rock older than our
very solar system - making his one of the best private collections anywhere.

He hates reading. Took shop in high school. Dropped out of college. Yet the
Northrop Grumman project manager quotes Kepler and Einstein. He builds massive
telescopes for universities in his spare time. And just ask him about his
Allende. His Murchison. Or his Cape York.

THE LIGHT

How to speak meteorite: Say, "I've got a 40-pound Campoover there." Or, "You
know that Marjalahti I showed you?" or "The smoke trail from that Sikhote lasted
six hours in the sky."

You refer to your rock as the place it was found, usually the name of the
closest post office. Truly.

"Allende is older than any Earth rock," Radosevich says, picking up a 1-pound
meteorite found in Allende, Mexico. "It's older than the sun. The planets. Older
than any of the solar system. You're holding a piece of a star."

That would make it more than 4.5 billion years old, the estimated age of our
solar system. Most meteorites hail from the Asteroid Belt beyond Mars. But
Allende is believed to come from deeper space.

"I've had people 70 years old hold a meteorite for the first time and say, 'I've
never in my entire life held something so interesting,'" he says. "And you can
just see the lights come on."

Each rock carries a story. Radosevich pulls a Diablo Canyon from his display
case. A small chunk of iron now. But 50,000 years ago, it was part of a meteor
that slammed Arizona like 150 Hiroshima bombs, blasting a 700-foot crater nearly
a mile across.

His Cape York, from Greenland, holds delicate iron crystals that can only be
formed after two planets collide, leaving the molten core of one planet to cool
at the almost incomprehensible rate of one degree per million years.

Then he pulls out his Murchison, from Australia - another meteorite from outside
our solar system. It was found to have 56 amino acids - 33 of which had not been
seen before on Earth - when found in 1969.

"It's the most significant meteorite to fall and be analyzed on Earth because it
contains the building blocks of life," he says. "It's there. It's all there. And
it's about as extraterrestrial as you can get."

GOLD RUSH

Feeling lucky? Forget the lottery. Go buy yourself a magnet and tape it to the
bottom of a cane. Or a tractor. Or a camel.

And, by the way, welcome to the new Gold Rush.

Sunland's Bob Verish became rich while cleaning his back yard of rats' nests and
found two Mars meteorites in a pile of rocks he'd collected 19 years earlier.

Businessman Steve Arnold became famous last year after paying Kansas farmers to
comb the fields of a famous meteorite fall and unearthing a 1,400-pound
meteorite filled with iron, nickel and green olivine crystals. You can buy it
for $1 million. Or see it at Haviland's first annual meteorite festival July 8.

Fifteen years ago - before eBay, before Google, before the rise of the Internet
- few cared about meteorites. Few knewabout them. You could buy just about
anything for a buck a pound from all of three or four dealers worldwide.

There was no convenient way to advertise meteorites, to research or buy them.
You couldn't exactly look up "meteorites" in the Yellow Pages.

"If I'd started back then, I'd be rich," Radosevich says. "Nobody was
collecting. Even the rare ones, nobody cared."

The Internet changed everything. Suddenly a handful of entrepreneurial treasure
hunters began studying the best places to search. They fanned out across the
globe, paying camel drivers in the Sahara Desert, crop pickers in South Africa,
and children in Mexico to search for heavy, fusion-crusted rocks near known
meteorite falls.

Others began inspecting suburban rain gutters, four- wheeling through California
dry lakebeds, and walking along New England rock walls with magnet-mounted canes
- most meteorites have enough iron to attract a magne

RE: [meteorite-list] Haviland Plans First Meteorite Festival

[MARK BOSTICK]

Thanks Ron and list,

re: http://www.pratttribune.com/articles/2006/06/21/news/03_meteorite.txt

In the post you might note that the town has named the Meteorite Festival 
(assuming the writer didn't misunderstand what they wrote): "Ab Astra: From 
the Stars."


A fitting name taken from the Kansas motto, which is "Ad astra per aspera" 
and means "To the stars through difficulties."


Steve Arnold, of the "Arnold Meteorite" signed several postcards at the 
Tucson show with like inscriptions.


I heard another town, someplace in Michigan if I remember correct, is going 
to have a meteorite day on July 8th as well.  The children's book writer you 
might remember that thinks her grandparents saw a meteorife.  This 
"meteorite", which was identified as granite, and is now a tombstone. Some 
of you might recall I offered her a meteorite, as she goes around to 
children groups and hands around the stone so people can feel the stars, but 
never got an answer.  I have not been able to confirm this.


Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Wichita, Kansas
www.meteoritearticles.com


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RE: [meteorite-list] Feeling lucky? Tape a magnet to the bottom of acamel.

[MARK BOSTICK]

"How to speak meteorite: Say, "I've got a 40-pound Campoover there." Or, 
"You
know that Marjalahti I showed you?" or "The smoke trail from that Sikhote 
lasted

six hours in the sky."

You refer to your rock as the place it was found, usually the name of the
closest post office. Truly."

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1189656.php

That's funny.  Love the writer's writing style.

Clear Skies,
Mark


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Re: [meteorite-list] Feeling lucky? Tape a magnet to the bottom of a camel.

[Matt Morgan]

Interesting article :)
1,000/gram for Thiel Mountains? I think not. Which Lunars now SELL for 
25k/g? None I can think of. Anyone?


Matt Morgan
http://www.mhmeteorites.com

P.S. My Thiel Mts is less than 300/g.

Darren Garrison wrote:


At least, according to this article.


http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1189656.php

Thursday, June 22, 2006 


He owns his piece of the sky
Collectors of meteorites pay astronomical sums to lay hands on these unearthly
treasures. 

By TOM BERG 
The Orange County Register 


GARDEN GROVE – Something lit up the Norwegian sky on June 7. A streaking
fireball. Caught on film. Followed by an earth-shaking impact recorded at the
Karasjok seismic lab at 2:13:25 a.m.

It became international news when University of Oslo astronomer Knut Jorgen Roed
Odegaard told a local newspaper: "If the meteorite was as large as it seems to
have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb."

Those words assured that Norway's meteor would light up more than the heavens.
It lit up the faces of a rare new breed - meteorite hunters who scour the globe
for space treasure worth as much as $25,000 a gram - and the collectors who fund
such expeditions. Collectors like Dave Radosevich.

In just eight years, Radosevich, 42, of Garden Grove has amassed more than 300
meteorites - including pieces of the moon and Mars and a rock older than our
very solar system - making his one of the best private collections anywhere.

He hates reading. Took shop in high school. Dropped out of college. Yet the
Northrop Grumman project manager quotes Kepler and Einstein. He builds massive
telescopes for universities in his spare time. And just ask him about his
Allende. His Murchison. Or his Cape York.

THE LIGHT

How to speak meteorite: Say, "I've got a 40-pound Campoover there." Or, "You
know that Marjalahti I showed you?" or "The smoke trail from that Sikhote lasted
six hours in the sky."

You refer to your rock as the place it was found, usually the name of the
closest post office. Truly.

"Allende is older than any Earth rock," Radosevich says, picking up a 1-pound
meteorite found in Allende, Mexico. "It's older than the sun. The planets. Older
than any of the solar system. You're holding a piece of a star."

That would make it more than 4.5 billion years old, the estimated age of our
solar system. Most meteorites hail from the Asteroid Belt beyond Mars. But
Allende is believed to come from deeper space.

"I've had people 70 years old hold a meteorite for the first time and say, 'I've
never in my entire life held something so interesting,'" he says. "And you can
just see the lights come on."

Each rock carries a story. Radosevich pulls a Diablo Canyon from his display
case. A small chunk of iron now. But 50,000 years ago, it was part of a meteor
that slammed Arizona like 150 Hiroshima bombs, blasting a 700-foot crater nearly
a mile across.

His Cape York, from Greenland, holds delicate iron crystals that can only be
formed after two planets collide, leaving the molten core of one planet to cool
at the almost incomprehensible rate of one degree per million years.

Then he pulls out his Murchison, from Australia - another meteorite from outside
our solar system. It was found to have 56 amino acids - 33 of which had not been
seen before on Earth - when found in 1969.

"It's the most significant meteorite to fall and be analyzed on Earth because it
contains the building blocks of life," he says. "It's there. It's all there. And
it's about as extraterrestrial as you can get."

GOLD RUSH

Feeling lucky? Forget the lottery. Go buy yourself a magnet and tape it to the
bottom of a cane. Or a tractor. Or a camel.

And, by the way, welcome to the new Gold Rush.

Sunland's Bob Verish became rich while cleaning his back yard of rats' nests and
found two Mars meteorites in a pile of rocks he'd collected 19 years earlier.

Businessman Steve Arnold became famous last year after paying Kansas farmers to
comb the fields of a famous meteorite fall and unearthing a 1,400-pound
meteorite filled with iron, nickel and green olivine crystals. You can buy it
for $1 million. Or see it at Haviland's first annual meteorite festival July 8.

Fifteen years ago - before eBay, before Google, before the rise of the Internet
- few cared about meteorites. Few knewabout them. You could buy just about
anything for a buck a pound from all of three or four dealers worldwide.

There was no convenient way to advertise meteorites, to research or buy them.
You couldn't exactly look up "meteorites" in the Yellow Pages.

"If I'd started back then, I'd be rich," Radosevich says. "Nobody was
collecting. Even the rare ones, nobody cared."

The Internet changed everything. Suddenly a handful of entrepreneurial treasure
hunters began studying the best places to search. They fanned out across the
globe, paying camel drivers in the Sahara Desert, crop pickers in South Africa,
and children in Mexico to search for heavy, fusion-crusted rocks nea

[meteorite-list] Re: Curation Comparison

[Metorman46]

GREAT PHOTO'S MARTIN;

The King of (  space ) ROCK AND ROLL. Thank you for sharing this event in 
time.Made my  day!

Best regards;Herman Archer.  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter

[Chris Peterson]

Hi Sterling-

Indeed, you did not previously reveal the extent of the injuries (which 
would appear to have been caused by something rather larger than the 50 g 
meteorite under discussion here). But I wasn't being glib, nor 
misrepresenting 19th Century medicine. This was certainly not a time you 
wanted to incur any sort of septic condition, such as might easily follow 
from a bone break associated with any injury also producing an open wound. 
So in general, I'm sticking with my position that (in the absence of other 
medical information) simply knowing that an injury in the 19th Century 
resulted in an amputation tells very little about the actual severity of 
that injury in modern terms.


Of course, the 19th Century was 100 years long (how about that math ), 
and a lot changed from the beginning to the end. The entirely useless 
practice of homeopathy was developed around 1800 and used extensively 
throughout the century, especially in northern Europe (where it remains 
popular, sadly). Had a homeopath treated your Swedish meteorite victim, he 
might have been doomed regardless of the severity of his injury! (Homeopathy 
became popular because at the beginning of the 19th Century, a treatment 
that did nothing at all actually produced better results than many of the 
standard treatments used by the medical profession.)


Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter



Chris,

   You do the medical profession of the XIXth
century a great disservice, particularly from the
period following the Napoleonic Wars which,
for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate
here, transformed medicine from medieval
scholasticism to true science.

   Many people assume that because physicians
had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's
doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it.
On the contrary, many were forced to be better.
In the particular matter of amputation, warfare,
especially with artillery, had made this a particularly
well understood therapeutic problem.

   It is true that amputation was more commonly
performed in the XIXth century, but that is due
to untreatable infections that threatened the life of
the patient. The conditions which required it were
also well understood, what degree of sepsis and
so forth.

   I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish
injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many
large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone
possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the
many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately
the correct position, but additionally, the muscles
which would have maintained the positioning of the
bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon-
structible degree, and all the intervening vascular
tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There
would have been no blood supply to the injured
area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation
was the medically correct treatment, and might
still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today.

   It is just barely possible that now, with a collection
of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in
the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's
saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts
too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain
of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been
saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve
function distal to the injury site and little function to the
limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses
on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong
massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro-
myographic stimulation would be required.

   I think you're seen too many Western movies
where "Doc" is a hopeless drunk with a five-day
beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown,
and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by
pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have
had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment
industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality.

   Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was
a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt
that there were any more bad doctors then than now
(not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard
practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in
those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor.
Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die...
Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to
another doctor until you find one that gets the job
done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper.

   Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably
already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive
on the basis of crude general

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter

[Chris Peterson]

Hola Doug-

My earlier response to Pete had numbers attached: a 50 g stone suggests a 30 
mm diameter and a terminal velocity of 50 m/s (I assumed a sea level fall). 
Not having viewed the stone in question, I simply assumed it was spherical, 
hence there was no speed range given. I'm happy to see we've arrived at 
about the same numbers- ain't math grand?


All the same, it is possible, albeit extremely rare, for a small object to 
arrive at the ground significantly above terminal velocity. However, such 
scenarios would seem pretty much to require the low altitude fragmentation 
of a much larger body, ala Sikhote-Alin. It's hard to imagine such an event 
could occur without attracting a good deal of attention, so I think we can 
pretty safely conclude (for reasons other than the obvious statistics) that 
an isolated fall of a 50 g meteorite, or even the somewhat larger 
Wethersfield falls, occurred at anything other than the expected terminal 
velocity.


Sterling commented that all falls are different. But really, I think they 
are actually quite similar in most cases; what is different are the last 
second dynamics dependent on just what they actually fall on.

Chris

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Chris wrote:

>

Hola Chris and Sterling,

You guys need to attach more numbers to these arguments imo with 
sensitivity

analysis.  Concretely, that meteorite in Darren's  picture-considering its
shape-would be going about 47m/s (105mph), and not less  than 40 m/s 
(89mph) and
not more than 60 m/s (134 mph).  The worst  case is the energy of a fast 
ball

in the company baseball league, though  likelyhood is half that.

There are lots of ways to throw a fastball and bruise a grandma or loosen
old plaster that your fingers can push through anyway.

_http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html_
(http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html)

FYI here is a thread I posted to in Mar of 2004 on the subject of  speeds 
of
falling meteorites.  I don't think there is all that much  uncertainty to 
the
practical endpoints of how fast they can hit as terminal  velocity is 
reached
easily in virtually all these cases, (the latter which Chris  has 
mentioned).


I wouldn't hesitate to catch a baseball sized meteorite in the pocket of a
baseball mit, though I am sure that that same falling rock would easily 
break
someone's arm.  People can karate chop wood in half with bare  hands and 
the
plaster of old homes can really be falling apart, how many of  us have put 
our

hands through the wall on ocassion, so I don't see anything odd  with the
results.  People who get punched get bruised all the time,  heck, some 
people get

bruises on their butts from just sitting down.   Once the misconception is
overcome that meteorites have retained cosmic  velocity it just becomes a
question on how big the rock is and what it  hits.  An ordinary tale of 
sticks and
stones and bones.  I was  carrying an iron in the back of my pickup and 
driving
like a demon a while  back.  Didn't see a dip in the road and there was a 
rock

in the back of my  truck.  When the truck was back on all fours again, the
rock was still at  zero g, and now I have this great crater to show for 
it. They

just don't  make the tinbed pickups like they used to...

Here's the calculations if you want to go through them.  A bowling  ball
sized chondrite (11.25cm radius) weighs less than 23 kg and falls at about 
291
mph (130 m/s) (see prior post link provided above).  The terminal 
velocity
varies by the sqrt(mass)/sqrt(x-sectional area).  So for the  same 
material in a

sphere mass increases with r^3 but cross sectional area with  r^2.  The
dependence reduces to simply velocity being proportional to the  square 
root of the
radius.  Thus a 50 gram sphere = 13.7 cc, r=1.49 cm  can fall at 36% of 
the
bowling ball which gives the 47 m/s ball park you're  all in.  In that 
email I
also checked the practical limits by  flattening it to a 
shield(3.3):(3.3):1 and

orienting it in a 3:1 length:diameter  ratio and found that  the terminal
velocity range was 90-130-211  (m/s), in other words
69%(shield):100%(sphere):162%(oriented).  That's a  range of 1:2.35 from 
slowest to fastest.  Without
messing with the radicals  since it is late, if we apply the same factors 
to the
50 gram piece, we see the  speed range to hit the guy who though he was 
going
fishing is 32.5 m/s (the  speed of a typical baseball fastball but only 
30% the
energy) on the low end and  76 m/s (a major league record fastball's 
energy)

on the fast end.  The  energy difference is a theoretical factor of 5
(76/32.5)^2.  But those are  the real extremes.  If

Re : [meteorite-list] tatahouine

[impactika]

I have a lot of Tatahouines, from tiny to 18.3g.
And I will be back in Denver Sunday, if you are still looking by then. 
 
(in hot and muggy Lyon, France)
 
Anne Black
www.impactika.com
 
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That was a good time for Tat, sold buy the bag, all nice pieces.  I had a tough time finding one at the 06 show. One of the few that go up in price the bigger you buy.  http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/collection/tata.htm  Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971   - Original Message - From: "Bob Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kirk Jenks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc:  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine  > Thats about as big as mine. If you were in Tucson this year there was a > guy selling large specimens. Many of them. > I know Mike Farmer picked up a bag of them like maybe 300 grams for like > $900 bucks maybe at Michael Bloods auction in 2004. > That was a great place to be if you wanted Tatahouine. > > Bob 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

> From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "metlist" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:02 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood
> 
> 
> > So... I got my Tunguska wood yesterday
> >
> > I am very pleased with the sample I must say - and
> when I counted the 
> > rings
> > - it was correct!
> > This is something I remember being told about
> since I was a little 'un. 
> > As
> > it happened in 1908 - they couldn't blame nukes -
> but just imagine the
> > consequences of it happening 4 hours later over
> the eastern seaboard of 
> > the
> > USA
> >
> > Fantastic - a piece of "Ripley's Believe it or
> not" coming true!
> >
> > And Matteo,
> > Yep, I guess one has to ask the Uni of Bologna
> very nicely!
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your indulgence in letting me boast
> about my new acquisition!
> >
> > Dave
> > IMCA #0092
> > Sec. BIMS
> > www.bimsociety.org

I am one of the few persons to have a complete slice
of Tunguska wood with 1908 rings well visible

http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/tunguska.JPG

and after I have other 2 pieces, in one where its very
well visible the 1908 rings where the tree have
restart to born after the explosion

http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/tunguska1.JPG

and a brunt wood 

http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/tunguska2.JPG

Matteo


M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/

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[meteorite-list] Tunguska wood

[Dave Harris]

Hi,
Well, there is no doubt that Matteo has a bigger one than me - getting wood
I mean

Best
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Re: [meteorite-list] Armanty?

[meteoriteplaya]

Hi Martin

I have two images of the Armanty mass on my largest meteorites page
http://jensenmeteorites.com/largestmeteorites.htm
(see #4)

Unfortunately they are both from the side and don't show the mass as clearly as 
the image you have does. I looked for some better images but all if found were 
the same images that were probably "borrowed" from my site.

I also followed the url backwards and found this caption under the image from 
the web page it is on;

Meteorite

This is the world's 3rd largest meteorite ever found in one piece. You would be 
happy about this one falling thru the roof of your house. Just a shame about 
the grafitti on it.

Actually it is the world's 4th largest meteorite.

Since it is grouped with images from the city of Urumqi it has to be Armanty. 
I'm going to see if I can email them for permission to add it to my page.

If anyone else has photos they took of any of the meteorites on the page I 
would love to add them to my site.

Mike
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Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



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> Ist hat the Armanty mass?
> 
> http://kuerzer.de/armanti
> 
> Buckleboo!
> Martin
> 
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[meteorite-list] Strange 'Crater' on a SAU 001

[Mike Bandli]

I recently purchased a small SAU 001 being sold as having a 'crater.' It is
definitely not a crater, as this would not make sense on a stone, right? I
think it may be remnants of an armored chondrule? What do you all think?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sau.jpg

The rim is approximately 4mm across and is raised .5mm. The center of the
rim is flush with the rest of the meteorite.

Also, has anyone seen an example of an impact pit on a stone meteorite?
Obviously stone doesn't transfer energy the same way an iron would. It seems
like it would be more likely to break or chip away from a micrometeoroid
impact rather than make an actual impact pit.

Thanks for looking!

Mike Bandli


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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange 'Crater' on a SAU 001

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:28:58 -0700, you wrote:

>I recently purchased a small SAU 001 being sold as having a 'crater.' It is
>definitely not a crater, as this would not make sense on a stone, right? I
>think it may be remnants of an armored chondrule? What do you all think?
>
>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sau.jpg
>

I'd think that it is probably the remains of an armored chondrule.  Take a look
at this 869 that I have.  It had a very similar-looking feature on the surface
of the fusion crust that, after sanding, proved to be an armored chondrule.

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/notacrater.jpg
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link

[Mike Bandli]

Sorry, I couldn't resist posting some pics of a recent NWA XXX acquisition:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage1.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage2.jpg

I love unclassified stones like this.

Mike Bandli


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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link

[Pete Pete]

The price of unclassifieds doesn't hurt, either!

Beauty stone!
One of those that would be a crime to cut it to see the matrix.

Cheers,
Pete


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To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:49:31 -0700

Sorry, I couldn't resist posting some pics of a recent NWA XXX acquisition:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage1.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage2.jpg

I love unclassified stones like this.

Mike Bandli


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Re: [meteorite-list] 15 ton pictures?

[Timothy Heitz]

Hello Mike,

You have any pictures of the new 15 ton Campo that was found by William 
Cassidy last year?


Tim Heitz
St. Louis Missouri.
Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org




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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:06 PM
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Hi Martin

I have two images of the Armanty mass on my largest meteorites page
http://jensenmeteorites.com/largestmeteorites.htm
(see #4)

Unfortunately they are both from the side and don't show the mass as 
clearly as the image you have does. I looked for some better images but 
all if found were the same images that were probably "borrowed" from my 
site.


I also followed the url backwards and found this caption under the image 
from the web page it is on;


Meteorite

This is the world's 3rd largest meteorite ever found in one piece. You 
would be happy about this one falling thru the roof of your house. Just a 
shame about the grafitti on it.


Actually it is the world's 4th largest meteorite.

Since it is grouped with images from the city of Urumqi it has to be 
Armanty. I'm going to see if I can email them for permission to add it to 
my page.


If anyone else has photos they took of any of the meteorites on the page I 
would love to add them to my site.


Mike
--
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Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



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Ist hat the Armanty mass?

http://kuerzer.de/armanti

Buckleboo!
Martin

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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange 'Crater' on a SAU 001

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:28:58 -0700, you wrote:

>I recently purchased a small SAU 001 being sold as having a 'crater.' It is
>definitely not a crater, as this would not make sense on a stone, right? I
>think it may be remnants of an armored chondrule? What do you all think?

Here's another one that I had to find and scan-- an 8 gram NWA 869 where the
creamy nougat center has been melted out of the chondrule, leaving just the
metal armor.  It looks like a little cup partially embedded in the meteorite.

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/869pit.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/869pit_close.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link

[Pat Brown]

Hi Mike and Listees,

Nice fresh one Mike! Love those thermal contraction
cracks and the matte black charcoal crust. 

Great Find

Pat

--- Mike Bandli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry, I couldn't resist posting some pics of a
> recent NWA XXX acquisition:
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http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage1.jpg
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http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage2.jpg
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> I love unclassified stones like this.
> 
> Mike Bandli
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AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT

[Martin Altmann]

Harrumph:

When Phaeton Sleeps

What do I care for falling stars,
For meteors, for Moon, for Mars?
My name in Mr Buckleboo and I'm a real a...


Martin Edmund Altmann


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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Valentin Grigore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject:  METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) 

METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) 
- Andrei Dorian Gheorghe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alastair
McBeath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Valentin Grigore
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -

In this issue: 

I. FALLEN STAR
II. METEOR DIALOGUES
III. METEOR POEMS 
IV. HUMOROUS METEOR TRIALOGUE
V. PERSEIDS - ROMANIAN MEMORIES  
VI. MAGELLANIC CLOUDS AND METEORS 

Previous issues:   
-Leonid 2002 Poetry – prologue, December 2002 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1088   
-MCPP (1), June 2003 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1177   
-MCPP (2), December 2003 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1321   
-MCPP (3), June 2004 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1392   
-The Song of the IMC – a September 2004
supplement 
by Jeremie Vaubaillon 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1455   
-MCPP (4), December 2004 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1507   

-MCPP (5), June 2005 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1573   
-MCPP (6), December 2005 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1649   


The next issue, for which we wait for submissions,
will appear at the winter solstice 2006. 
- Coordinators - 

"I wish all of you many moments of appreciation of the
beauty of the world, not in the least of the night sky
and of meteors!" 
- Cis Verbeeck (Belgium) - 

I. FALLEN STAR

COSMIC STONES 
- by Arnold Leinweber (1920-2006, Romania) - 

We know that the meteoroids 
gravitating without station 
could be virtual meteors. 

We also know that Terra 
travelling on its own orbit 
has a cloth - 
the protecting atmosphere. 

In contact with the atmosphere, 
they begin to disintegrate
seeming to be falling stars. 

If they do not totally burn 
in the atmosphere, 
they drop on Terra - 

a strange blend 
becoming museum pieces. 
The End. 

II. METEOR DIALOGUES

FALLING STARS 
- by Iulian Olaru (Romania) and Dan Mitrut (Romania) -


Iulian Olaru: 
Last night, a +2 magnitude meteor, coming from the
zenith to the left of Gemini, made me think of the
folk belief that someone dies when a star falls…


Dan Mitrut: 
Another folk belief says that meteors are human souls
climbing the sky at the person's birth. These beliefs
are not contradictory, but complementary, because the
people tried to transcend cosmic matter, to give soul
to the sky and to give sense to the phenomena. That
was the road from metaphysics to spirituality…  

METEORIC PHILOSOPHY OF THE EPHEMERIDES 
- by Mohamad Magdy (Egypt) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe
(Romania) - 

Mohamad Magdy:
I could make astronomical ephemerides for stars,
comets, asteroids and all celestial phenomena…
All I
need is a work team to share… for goodness! 

Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: 
Unfortunately, the meteors are so ephemeral… 

ANOTHER YEAR 
- by John Francis Haines (U.K.) and Andrei Dorian
Gheorghe (Romania) - 

John Francis Haines: 
Very cold here, out mostly dry - in fact, it's been a
very dry winter altogether. The garden's stirring into
life, which means that Spring is just around the
corner, then the endless round of lawn-mowing,
hedge-clipping, will begin again for another year. 

Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: 
As well as the meteor observational campaigns, in
order to take care of the celestial garden.   

III. METEOR POEMS 

SPHERICAL GEOMETRY 
- by Diana Maria Ogescu (Romania) - 

The Sky is an immense cupola. 
Heterogeneous seeds bear fruit, 
as in a solarium. 
>From seeds with people 
I came up too. 
Abyssal germens gave birth 
to the planets with orbits 
and fireball heads. 

METEOR 
- by Boris Marian (Romania) - 

Once, in the deep night, 
I heard a meteor passing. 
I'll never forget 
that late moment of rest, 
I seemed like a dead person alive, 
overwhelmed with fear, 
for that meteor didn't extinguish itself, 
but it said, with the voice of a raven… 

on my word, it was a meteor 
saying to me just: "Nevermore." 

LYRIDS 
- by Michaela Al. Orescu (Romania) - 

rumours of light 
the god Orpheus' lyre 
drips in April

A TEAR FROM THE SKY 
- by Tania Tilici (Romania) - 

A tear from the sky comes to melt into the sea. 
Noise of the tear disturbs the waters, 
But after a while the sweet calm returns 
And the sea rearranges its blue ribbons 
As if nothing had happened. 

A child watching asks: 
"Oh, sky, 
Is your mirror so peaceful?"

A NIGHT OF THE ETA AQUARIDS 
- by Alina Istrate (Romania) - 

I'm sorry_ 
the theme for today