Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter
Chris wrote: <> Hola Chris and Sterling, You guys need to attach more numbers to these arguments imo with sensitivity analysis. Concretely, that meteorite in Darren's picture-considering its shape-would be going about 47m/s (105mph), and not less than 40 m/s (89mph) and not more than 60 m/s (134 mph). The worst case is the energy of a fast ball in the company baseball league, though likelyhood is half that. There are lots of ways to throw a fastball and bruise a grandma or loosen old plaster that your fingers can push through anyway. _http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html_ (http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html) FYI here is a thread I posted to in Mar of 2004 on the subject of speeds of falling meteorites. I don't think there is all that much uncertainty to the practical endpoints of how fast they can hit as terminal velocity is reached easily in virtually all these cases, (the latter which Chris has mentioned). I wouldn't hesitate to catch a baseball sized meteorite in the pocket of a baseball mit, though I am sure that that same falling rock would easily break someone's arm. People can karate chop wood in half with bare hands and the plaster of old homes can really be falling apart, how many of us have put our hands through the wall on ocassion, so I don't see anything odd with the results. People who get punched get bruised all the time, heck, some people get bruises on their butts from just sitting down. Once the misconception is overcome that meteorites have retained cosmic velocity it just becomes a question on how big the rock is and what it hits. An ordinary tale of sticks and stones and bones. I was carrying an iron in the back of my pickup and driving like a demon a while back. Didn't see a dip in the road and there was a rock in the back of my truck. When the truck was back on all fours again, the rock was still at zero g, and now I have this great crater to show for it. They just don't make the tinbed pickups like they used to... Here's the calculations if you want to go through them. A bowling ball sized chondrite (11.25cm radius) weighs less than 23 kg and falls at about 291 mph (130 m/s) (see prior post link provided above). The terminal velocity varies by the sqrt(mass)/sqrt(x-sectional area). So for the same material in a sphere mass increases with r^3 but cross sectional area with r^2. The dependence reduces to simply velocity being proportional to the square root of the radius. Thus a 50 gram sphere = 13.7 cc, r=1.49 cm can fall at 36% of the bowling ball which gives the 47 m/s ball park you're all in. In that email I also checked the practical limits by flattening it to a shield(3.3):(3.3):1 and orienting it in a 3:1 length:diameter ratio and found that the terminal velocity range was 90-130-211 (m/s), in other words 69%(shield):100%(sphere):162%(oriented). That's a range of 1:2.35 from slowest to fastest. Without messing with the radicals since it is late, if we apply the same factors to the 50 gram piece, we see the speed range to hit the guy who though he was going fishing is 32.5 m/s (the speed of a typical baseball fastball but only 30% the energy) on the low end and 76 m/s (a major league record fastball's energy) on the fast end. The energy difference is a theoretical factor of 5 (76/32.5)^2. But those are the real extremes. If we assume they are representing a couple of sigma deviation, everything like the one in Darren's picture is in the 40 to 60 m/s range to bracket the 47 m/s. with reasonably a double whammy packed in the fastest ones vs. slowest in this range. Even after taking into consideration reasonable altitudes (Colorado has a somewhat thinner atmosphere causing the retention of a bit higher terminal velocity...for example, than say New Orleans, and that 10 mph seabreeze, the meteorite that hit that guy would have had a bit less than the energy of a company baseball league fastball's energy. And if it hits old plaster will break some loose, and if it hits granny can break a bone and definitely give a black and blue mark. But if it hits Steve, the Jensens or several other burly collectors out there on the shoulder blade it might actually feel good even before they knew what hit them. Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter
Chris, You do the medical profession of the XIXth century a great disservice, particularly from the period following the Napoleonic Wars which, for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate here, transformed medicine from medieval scholasticism to true science. Many people assume that because physicians had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it. On the contrary, many were forced to be better. In the particular matter of amputation, warfare, especially with artillery, had made this a particularly well understood therapeutic problem. It is true that amputation was more commonly performed in the XIXth century, but that is due to untreatable infections that threatened the life of the patient. The conditions which required it were also well understood, what degree of sepsis and so forth. I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately the correct position, but additionally, the muscles which would have maintained the positioning of the bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon- structible degree, and all the intervening vascular tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There would have been no blood supply to the injured area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation was the medically correct treatment, and might still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today. It is just barely possible that now, with a collection of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve function distal to the injury site and little function to the limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro- myographic stimulation would be required. I think you're seen too many Western movies where "Doc" is a hopeless drunk with a five-day beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown, and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality. Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt that there were any more bad doctors then than now (not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor. Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die... Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to another doctor until you find one that gets the job done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper. Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive on the basis of crude generalities that have little to do with reality. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter And in the 19th century, people had their arms (or worse) amputated sometimes for the most trivial of injuries, so I'm not sure what we can conclude about that meteorite, either. Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Curation Comparison
OK, messsage understood. The differences between the anonymous private collector and the scientist are: (i) The collector has a big chunck of space rock, the scientist only microscopic crumbles. (ii) The collector has a lot of fun with his piece, the scientist has not. Did I get that right...? ;^) Cheers, Herbert Raab __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter
Interesting for injuries caused by small meteorites may be stats and cases of mortality and severe accidents caused by hail. I have currently not the time to browse around on web, but for instance last weekend a hailstorm caused enormous damage in Leipzig, Germany. At least 6 people suffered lacerations and the web is full with reports. So I found, that some weeks ago 230 sheeps were slain by hailstones, 36,000 ducks on 14th of June 1957 in Canada, thousands of birds during the hailstorm of 1903 in Osnabrueck, a 3 months old baby in an open carriage 1897...and so on. Hailstones have a size of small meteorites and will have similar velocities. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2006 09:29 An: Chris Peterson; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter Chris, You do the medical profession of the XIXth century a great disservice, particularly from the period following the Napoleonic Wars which, for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate here, transformed medicine from medieval scholasticism to true science. Many people assume that because physicians had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it. On the contrary, many were forced to be better. In the particular matter of amputation, warfare, especially with artillery, had made this a particularly well understood therapeutic problem. It is true that amputation was more commonly performed in the XIXth century, but that is due to untreatable infections that threatened the life of the patient. The conditions which required it were also well understood, what degree of sepsis and so forth. I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately the correct position, but additionally, the muscles which would have maintained the positioning of the bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon- structible degree, and all the intervening vascular tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There would have been no blood supply to the injured area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation was the medically correct treatment, and might still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today. It is just barely possible that now, with a collection of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve function distal to the injury site and little function to the limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro- myographic stimulation would be required. I think you're seen too many Western movies where "Doc" is a hopeless drunk with a five-day beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown, and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality. Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt that there were any more bad doctors then than now (not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor. Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die... Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to another doctor until you find one that gets the job done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper. Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive on the basis of crude generalities that have little to do with reality. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter > And in the 19th century, people had their arms (or worse) amputated > sometimes for the most trivial of injuries, so I'm not sure what we can > conclude about that meteorite, either. > > Chris > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT
Forward Message - Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Valentin Grigore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) - Andrei Dorian Gheorghe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alastair McBeath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Valentin Grigore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - In this issue: I. FALLEN STAR II. METEOR DIALOGUES III. METEOR POEMS IV. HUMOROUS METEOR TRIALOGUE V. PERSEIDS - ROMANIAN MEMORIES VI. MAGELLANIC CLOUDS AND METEORS Previous issues: -Leonid 2002 Poetry – prologue, December 2002 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1088 -MCPP (1), June 2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1177 -MCPP (2), December 2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1321 -MCPP (3), June 2004 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1392 -The Song of the IMC – a September 2004 supplement by Jeremie Vaubaillon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1455 -MCPP (4), December 2004 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1507 -MCPP (5), June 2005 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1573 -MCPP (6), December 2005 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1649 The next issue, for which we wait for submissions, will appear at the winter solstice 2006. - Coordinators - "I wish all of you many moments of appreciation of the beauty of the world, not in the least of the night sky and of meteors!" - Cis Verbeeck (Belgium) - I. FALLEN STAR COSMIC STONES - by Arnold Leinweber (1920-2006, Romania) - We know that the meteoroids gravitating without station could be virtual meteors. We also know that Terra travelling on its own orbit has a cloth - the protecting atmosphere. In contact with the atmosphere, they begin to disintegrate seeming to be falling stars. If they do not totally burn in the atmosphere, they drop on Terra - a strange blend becoming museum pieces. The End. II. METEOR DIALOGUES FALLING STARS - by Iulian Olaru (Romania) and Dan Mitrut (Romania) - Iulian Olaru: Last night, a +2 magnitude meteor, coming from the zenith to the left of Gemini, made me think of the folk belief that someone dies when a star falls… Dan Mitrut: Another folk belief says that meteors are human souls climbing the sky at the person's birth. These beliefs are not contradictory, but complementary, because the people tried to transcend cosmic matter, to give soul to the sky and to give sense to the phenomena. That was the road from metaphysics to spirituality… METEORIC PHILOSOPHY OF THE EPHEMERIDES - by Mohamad Magdy (Egypt) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe (Romania) - Mohamad Magdy: I could make astronomical ephemerides for stars, comets, asteroids and all celestial phenomena… All I need is a work team to share… for goodness! Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: Unfortunately, the meteors are so ephemeral… ANOTHER YEAR - by John Francis Haines (U.K.) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe (Romania) - John Francis Haines: Very cold here, out mostly dry - in fact, it's been a very dry winter altogether. The garden's stirring into life, which means that Spring is just around the corner, then the endless round of lawn-mowing, hedge-clipping, will begin again for another year. Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: As well as the meteor observational campaigns, in order to take care of the celestial garden. III. METEOR POEMS SPHERICAL GEOMETRY - by Diana Maria Ogescu (Romania) - The Sky is an immense cupola. Heterogeneous seeds bear fruit, as in a solarium. >From seeds with people I came up too. Abyssal germens gave birth to the planets with orbits and fireball heads. METEOR - by Boris Marian (Romania) - Once, in the deep night, I heard a meteor passing. I'll never forget that late moment of rest, I seemed like a dead person alive, overwhelmed with fear, for that meteor didn't extinguish itself, but it said, with the voice of a raven… on my word, it was a meteor saying to me just: "Nevermore." LYRIDS - by Michaela Al. Orescu (Romania) - rumours of light the god Orpheus' lyre drips in April A TEAR FROM THE SKY - by Tania Tilici (Romania) - A tear from the sky comes to melt into the sea. Noise of the tear disturbs the waters, But after a while the sweet calm returns And the sea rearranges its blue ribbons As if nothing had happened. A child watching asks: "Oh, sky, Is your mirror so peaceful?" A NIGHT OF THE ETA AQUARIDS - by Alina Istrate (Romania) - I'm sorry_ the theme for today seems to have escaped into a parallel universe… I try to sketch an image of last night's sky, but whatever I would say, nothing compares with the feeling awake when all around you sleep (excepting a few drunken men, as stray as Eta Aquarid meteors), and you watch the stars… that immense universe with invincible barriers… Only by dreaming I can travel through the galaxies I patiently try to find… FIREBA
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Curation Comparison
> OK, messsage understood. The differences between the anonymous > private collector and the scientist are: > > (i) The collector has a big chunck of space rock, the scientist > only microscopic crumbles. > > (ii) The collector has a lot of fun with his piece, the scientist > has not. > > Did I get that right...? ;^) Sure! And then: (iii) That "anonymous" (...?? :-)) collector can rock´n roll, while the scientist will roll the rock! Alex Berlin, Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Armanty?
Ist hat the Armanty mass? http://kuerzer.de/armanti Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Armanty?
> Ist that the Armanty mass? > http://kuerzer.de/armanti > Buckleboo! > Martin Here a supplement to Martin´s question: A large mass of iron was found before before 1900; in 1965 it was transported to its present location in Urumchi, V.F.Buchwald, Handbook of Iron Meteorites, 1975, 2, p.274; see also, Sky and Teleskope, 1965, p.347. Description, analysis, 9.92% Ni, O.S.Vyalov, Meteoritika, 1949, 5, p.23. Analysis, 9.09% Ni, M.I.Dyakonova, Meteoritika, 1958, 16, p.180 Meteoritika, 1959, 17, p.96. Listed with references, D.Bian, Meteoritics, 1981, 16, p.120. Classification and analysis, 9.1% Ni, 16.2 ppm Ga, 31.5 ppm Ge, 0.23 ppm Ir, A.Kracher et al., GCA, 1980, 44, p.773. The weight of the Armanty mass is about 28 tons, the third largest meteoritic mass in the world, Y.Chen and Y.Sun, Geochimica, 1986, p.271. Detailed description, study of compositional variation, J.T.Wasson et al., Meteoritics, 1988, 23, p.365. Listed, the correct name is Xinjiang, Y.Chen and D.Wang, Meteoritics, 1994, 29, p.886. Further analysis, N.Sugiura et al., MAPS, 2000, 35, p.749. main mass: Wulumuqi, Exhibition Center 930g: Beijing, Planetarium 44.4g: Moscow, Acad. Sci. 17.5g: Algonquin, DuPont Colln. 3.3g: Los Angeles, Univ. of Calif. (source: MetBase 7.1) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Feeling lucky? Tape a magnet to the bottom of a camel.
At least, according to this article. http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1189656.php Thursday, June 22, 2006 He owns his piece of the sky Collectors of meteorites pay astronomical sums to lay hands on these unearthly treasures. By TOM BERG The Orange County Register GARDEN GROVE Something lit up the Norwegian sky on June 7. A streaking fireball. Caught on film. Followed by an earth-shaking impact recorded at the Karasjok seismic lab at 2:13:25 a.m. It became international news when University of Oslo astronomer Knut Jorgen Roed Odegaard told a local newspaper: "If the meteorite was as large as it seems to have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb." Those words assured that Norway's meteor would light up more than the heavens. It lit up the faces of a rare new breed - meteorite hunters who scour the globe for space treasure worth as much as $25,000 a gram - and the collectors who fund such expeditions. Collectors like Dave Radosevich. In just eight years, Radosevich, 42, of Garden Grove has amassed more than 300 meteorites - including pieces of the moon and Mars and a rock older than our very solar system - making his one of the best private collections anywhere. He hates reading. Took shop in high school. Dropped out of college. Yet the Northrop Grumman project manager quotes Kepler and Einstein. He builds massive telescopes for universities in his spare time. And just ask him about his Allende. His Murchison. Or his Cape York. THE LIGHT How to speak meteorite: Say, "I've got a 40-pound Campoover there." Or, "You know that Marjalahti I showed you?" or "The smoke trail from that Sikhote lasted six hours in the sky." You refer to your rock as the place it was found, usually the name of the closest post office. Truly. "Allende is older than any Earth rock," Radosevich says, picking up a 1-pound meteorite found in Allende, Mexico. "It's older than the sun. The planets. Older than any of the solar system. You're holding a piece of a star." That would make it more than 4.5 billion years old, the estimated age of our solar system. Most meteorites hail from the Asteroid Belt beyond Mars. But Allende is believed to come from deeper space. "I've had people 70 years old hold a meteorite for the first time and say, 'I've never in my entire life held something so interesting,'" he says. "And you can just see the lights come on." Each rock carries a story. Radosevich pulls a Diablo Canyon from his display case. A small chunk of iron now. But 50,000 years ago, it was part of a meteor that slammed Arizona like 150 Hiroshima bombs, blasting a 700-foot crater nearly a mile across. His Cape York, from Greenland, holds delicate iron crystals that can only be formed after two planets collide, leaving the molten core of one planet to cool at the almost incomprehensible rate of one degree per million years. Then he pulls out his Murchison, from Australia - another meteorite from outside our solar system. It was found to have 56 amino acids - 33 of which had not been seen before on Earth - when found in 1969. "It's the most significant meteorite to fall and be analyzed on Earth because it contains the building blocks of life," he says. "It's there. It's all there. And it's about as extraterrestrial as you can get." GOLD RUSH Feeling lucky? Forget the lottery. Go buy yourself a magnet and tape it to the bottom of a cane. Or a tractor. Or a camel. And, by the way, welcome to the new Gold Rush. Sunland's Bob Verish became rich while cleaning his back yard of rats' nests and found two Mars meteorites in a pile of rocks he'd collected 19 years earlier. Businessman Steve Arnold became famous last year after paying Kansas farmers to comb the fields of a famous meteorite fall and unearthing a 1,400-pound meteorite filled with iron, nickel and green olivine crystals. You can buy it for $1 million. Or see it at Haviland's first annual meteorite festival July 8. Fifteen years ago - before eBay, before Google, before the rise of the Internet - few cared about meteorites. Few knewabout them. You could buy just about anything for a buck a pound from all of three or four dealers worldwide. There was no convenient way to advertise meteorites, to research or buy them. You couldn't exactly look up "meteorites" in the Yellow Pages. "If I'd started back then, I'd be rich," Radosevich says. "Nobody was collecting. Even the rare ones, nobody cared." The Internet changed everything. Suddenly a handful of entrepreneurial treasure hunters began studying the best places to search. They fanned out across the globe, paying camel drivers in the Sahara Desert, crop pickers in South Africa, and children in Mexico to search for heavy, fusion-crusted rocks near known meteorite falls. Others began inspecting suburban rain gutters, four- wheeling through California dry lakebeds, and walking along New England rock walls with magnet-mounted canes - most meteorites have enough iron to attract a magne
RE: [meteorite-list] Haviland Plans First Meteorite Festival
Thanks Ron and list, re: http://www.pratttribune.com/articles/2006/06/21/news/03_meteorite.txt In the post you might note that the town has named the Meteorite Festival (assuming the writer didn't misunderstand what they wrote): "Ab Astra: From the Stars." A fitting name taken from the Kansas motto, which is "Ad astra per aspera" and means "To the stars through difficulties." Steve Arnold, of the "Arnold Meteorite" signed several postcards at the Tucson show with like inscriptions. I heard another town, someplace in Michigan if I remember correct, is going to have a meteorite day on July 8th as well. The children's book writer you might remember that thinks her grandparents saw a meteorife. This "meteorite", which was identified as granite, and is now a tombstone. Some of you might recall I offered her a meteorite, as she goes around to children groups and hands around the stone so people can feel the stars, but never got an answer. I have not been able to confirm this. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Feeling lucky? Tape a magnet to the bottom of acamel.
"How to speak meteorite: Say, "I've got a 40-pound Campoover there." Or, "You know that Marjalahti I showed you?" or "The smoke trail from that Sikhote lasted six hours in the sky." You refer to your rock as the place it was found, usually the name of the closest post office. Truly." http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1189656.php That's funny. Love the writer's writing style. Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Feeling lucky? Tape a magnet to the bottom of a camel.
Interesting article :) 1,000/gram for Thiel Mountains? I think not. Which Lunars now SELL for 25k/g? None I can think of. Anyone? Matt Morgan http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.S. My Thiel Mts is less than 300/g. Darren Garrison wrote: At least, according to this article. http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1189656.php Thursday, June 22, 2006 He owns his piece of the sky Collectors of meteorites pay astronomical sums to lay hands on these unearthly treasures. By TOM BERG The Orange County Register GARDEN GROVE – Something lit up the Norwegian sky on June 7. A streaking fireball. Caught on film. Followed by an earth-shaking impact recorded at the Karasjok seismic lab at 2:13:25 a.m. It became international news when University of Oslo astronomer Knut Jorgen Roed Odegaard told a local newspaper: "If the meteorite was as large as it seems to have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb." Those words assured that Norway's meteor would light up more than the heavens. It lit up the faces of a rare new breed - meteorite hunters who scour the globe for space treasure worth as much as $25,000 a gram - and the collectors who fund such expeditions. Collectors like Dave Radosevich. In just eight years, Radosevich, 42, of Garden Grove has amassed more than 300 meteorites - including pieces of the moon and Mars and a rock older than our very solar system - making his one of the best private collections anywhere. He hates reading. Took shop in high school. Dropped out of college. Yet the Northrop Grumman project manager quotes Kepler and Einstein. He builds massive telescopes for universities in his spare time. And just ask him about his Allende. His Murchison. Or his Cape York. THE LIGHT How to speak meteorite: Say, "I've got a 40-pound Campoover there." Or, "You know that Marjalahti I showed you?" or "The smoke trail from that Sikhote lasted six hours in the sky." You refer to your rock as the place it was found, usually the name of the closest post office. Truly. "Allende is older than any Earth rock," Radosevich says, picking up a 1-pound meteorite found in Allende, Mexico. "It's older than the sun. The planets. Older than any of the solar system. You're holding a piece of a star." That would make it more than 4.5 billion years old, the estimated age of our solar system. Most meteorites hail from the Asteroid Belt beyond Mars. But Allende is believed to come from deeper space. "I've had people 70 years old hold a meteorite for the first time and say, 'I've never in my entire life held something so interesting,'" he says. "And you can just see the lights come on." Each rock carries a story. Radosevich pulls a Diablo Canyon from his display case. A small chunk of iron now. But 50,000 years ago, it was part of a meteor that slammed Arizona like 150 Hiroshima bombs, blasting a 700-foot crater nearly a mile across. His Cape York, from Greenland, holds delicate iron crystals that can only be formed after two planets collide, leaving the molten core of one planet to cool at the almost incomprehensible rate of one degree per million years. Then he pulls out his Murchison, from Australia - another meteorite from outside our solar system. It was found to have 56 amino acids - 33 of which had not been seen before on Earth - when found in 1969. "It's the most significant meteorite to fall and be analyzed on Earth because it contains the building blocks of life," he says. "It's there. It's all there. And it's about as extraterrestrial as you can get." GOLD RUSH Feeling lucky? Forget the lottery. Go buy yourself a magnet and tape it to the bottom of a cane. Or a tractor. Or a camel. And, by the way, welcome to the new Gold Rush. Sunland's Bob Verish became rich while cleaning his back yard of rats' nests and found two Mars meteorites in a pile of rocks he'd collected 19 years earlier. Businessman Steve Arnold became famous last year after paying Kansas farmers to comb the fields of a famous meteorite fall and unearthing a 1,400-pound meteorite filled with iron, nickel and green olivine crystals. You can buy it for $1 million. Or see it at Haviland's first annual meteorite festival July 8. Fifteen years ago - before eBay, before Google, before the rise of the Internet - few cared about meteorites. Few knewabout them. You could buy just about anything for a buck a pound from all of three or four dealers worldwide. There was no convenient way to advertise meteorites, to research or buy them. You couldn't exactly look up "meteorites" in the Yellow Pages. "If I'd started back then, I'd be rich," Radosevich says. "Nobody was collecting. Even the rare ones, nobody cared." The Internet changed everything. Suddenly a handful of entrepreneurial treasure hunters began studying the best places to search. They fanned out across the globe, paying camel drivers in the Sahara Desert, crop pickers in South Africa, and children in Mexico to search for heavy, fusion-crusted rocks nea
[meteorite-list] Re: Curation Comparison
GREAT PHOTO'S MARTIN; The King of ( space ) ROCK AND ROLL. Thank you for sharing this event in time.Made my day! Best regards;Herman Archer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter
Hi Sterling- Indeed, you did not previously reveal the extent of the injuries (which would appear to have been caused by something rather larger than the 50 g meteorite under discussion here). But I wasn't being glib, nor misrepresenting 19th Century medicine. This was certainly not a time you wanted to incur any sort of septic condition, such as might easily follow from a bone break associated with any injury also producing an open wound. So in general, I'm sticking with my position that (in the absence of other medical information) simply knowing that an injury in the 19th Century resulted in an amputation tells very little about the actual severity of that injury in modern terms. Of course, the 19th Century was 100 years long (how about that math ), and a lot changed from the beginning to the end. The entirely useless practice of homeopathy was developed around 1800 and used extensively throughout the century, especially in northern Europe (where it remains popular, sadly). Had a homeopath treated your Swedish meteorite victim, he might have been doomed regardless of the severity of his injury! (Homeopathy became popular because at the beginning of the 19th Century, a treatment that did nothing at all actually produced better results than many of the standard treatments used by the medical profession.) Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter Chris, You do the medical profession of the XIXth century a great disservice, particularly from the period following the Napoleonic Wars which, for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate here, transformed medicine from medieval scholasticism to true science. Many people assume that because physicians had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it. On the contrary, many were forced to be better. In the particular matter of amputation, warfare, especially with artillery, had made this a particularly well understood therapeutic problem. It is true that amputation was more commonly performed in the XIXth century, but that is due to untreatable infections that threatened the life of the patient. The conditions which required it were also well understood, what degree of sepsis and so forth. I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately the correct position, but additionally, the muscles which would have maintained the positioning of the bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon- structible degree, and all the intervening vascular tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There would have been no blood supply to the injured area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation was the medically correct treatment, and might still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today. It is just barely possible that now, with a collection of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve function distal to the injury site and little function to the limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro- myographic stimulation would be required. I think you're seen too many Western movies where "Doc" is a hopeless drunk with a five-day beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown, and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality. Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt that there were any more bad doctors then than now (not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor. Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die... Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to another doctor until you find one that gets the job done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper. Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive on the basis of crude general
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter
Hola Doug- My earlier response to Pete had numbers attached: a 50 g stone suggests a 30 mm diameter and a terminal velocity of 50 m/s (I assumed a sea level fall). Not having viewed the stone in question, I simply assumed it was spherical, hence there was no speed range given. I'm happy to see we've arrived at about the same numbers- ain't math grand? All the same, it is possible, albeit extremely rare, for a small object to arrive at the ground significantly above terminal velocity. However, such scenarios would seem pretty much to require the low altitude fragmentation of a much larger body, ala Sikhote-Alin. It's hard to imagine such an event could occur without attracting a good deal of attention, so I think we can pretty safely conclude (for reasons other than the obvious statistics) that an isolated fall of a 50 g meteorite, or even the somewhat larger Wethersfield falls, occurred at anything other than the expected terminal velocity. Sterling commented that all falls are different. But really, I think they are actually quite similar in most cases; what is different are the last second dynamics dependent on just what they actually fall on. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter Chris wrote:> Hola Chris and Sterling, You guys need to attach more numbers to these arguments imo with sensitivity analysis. Concretely, that meteorite in Darren's picture-considering its shape-would be going about 47m/s (105mph), and not less than 40 m/s (89mph) and not more than 60 m/s (134 mph). The worst case is the energy of a fast ball in the company baseball league, though likelyhood is half that. There are lots of ways to throw a fastball and bruise a grandma or loosen old plaster that your fingers can push through anyway. _http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html_ (http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-March/139871.html) FYI here is a thread I posted to in Mar of 2004 on the subject of speeds of falling meteorites. I don't think there is all that much uncertainty to the practical endpoints of how fast they can hit as terminal velocity is reached easily in virtually all these cases, (the latter which Chris has mentioned). I wouldn't hesitate to catch a baseball sized meteorite in the pocket of a baseball mit, though I am sure that that same falling rock would easily break someone's arm. People can karate chop wood in half with bare hands and the plaster of old homes can really be falling apart, how many of us have put our hands through the wall on ocassion, so I don't see anything odd with the results. People who get punched get bruised all the time, heck, some people get bruises on their butts from just sitting down. Once the misconception is overcome that meteorites have retained cosmic velocity it just becomes a question on how big the rock is and what it hits. An ordinary tale of sticks and stones and bones. I was carrying an iron in the back of my pickup and driving like a demon a while back. Didn't see a dip in the road and there was a rock in the back of my truck. When the truck was back on all fours again, the rock was still at zero g, and now I have this great crater to show for it. They just don't make the tinbed pickups like they used to... Here's the calculations if you want to go through them. A bowling ball sized chondrite (11.25cm radius) weighs less than 23 kg and falls at about 291 mph (130 m/s) (see prior post link provided above). The terminal velocity varies by the sqrt(mass)/sqrt(x-sectional area). So for the same material in a sphere mass increases with r^3 but cross sectional area with r^2. The dependence reduces to simply velocity being proportional to the square root of the radius. Thus a 50 gram sphere = 13.7 cc, r=1.49 cm can fall at 36% of the bowling ball which gives the 47 m/s ball park you're all in. In that email I also checked the practical limits by flattening it to a shield(3.3):(3.3):1 and orienting it in a 3:1 length:diameter ratio and found that the terminal velocity range was 90-130-211 (m/s), in other words 69%(shield):100%(sphere):162%(oriented). That's a range of 1:2.35 from slowest to fastest. Without messing with the radicals since it is late, if we apply the same factors to the 50 gram piece, we see the speed range to hit the guy who though he was going fishing is 32.5 m/s (the speed of a typical baseball fastball but only 30% the energy) on the low end and 76 m/s (a major league record fastball's energy) on the fast end. The energy difference is a theoretical factor of 5 (76/32.5)^2. But those are the real extremes. If
Re : [meteorite-list] tatahouine
I have a lot of Tatahouines, from tiny to 18.3g. And I will be back in Denver Sunday, if you are still looking by then. (in hot and muggy Lyon, France) Anne Black www.impactika.com -E-mail d'origine-De : Rob Wesel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>A : Bob Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc : Meteorite List Envoyé le : Mercredi 21 Jui 2006 22:02:56 -0700Sujet : Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine That was a good time for Tat, sold buy the bag, all nice pieces. I had a tough time finding one at the 06 show. One of the few that go up in price the bigger you buy. http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/collection/tata.htm Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: "Bob Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kirk Jenks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc:Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine > Thats about as big as mine. If you were in Tucson this year there was a > guy selling large specimens. Many of them. > I know Mike Farmer picked up a bag of them like maybe 300 grams for like > $900 bucks maybe at Michael Bloods auction in 2004. > That was a great place to be if you wanted Tatahouine. > > Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood
> From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "metlist" > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:02 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood > > > > So... I got my Tunguska wood yesterday > > > > I am very pleased with the sample I must say - and > when I counted the > > rings > > - it was correct! > > This is something I remember being told about > since I was a little 'un. > > As > > it happened in 1908 - they couldn't blame nukes - > but just imagine the > > consequences of it happening 4 hours later over > the eastern seaboard of > > the > > USA > > > > Fantastic - a piece of "Ripley's Believe it or > not" coming true! > > > > And Matteo, > > Yep, I guess one has to ask the Uni of Bologna > very nicely! > > > > > > Thanks for your indulgence in letting me boast > about my new acquisition! > > > > Dave > > IMCA #0092 > > Sec. BIMS > > www.bimsociety.org I am one of the few persons to have a complete slice of Tunguska wood with 1908 rings well visible http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/tunguska.JPG and after I have other 2 pieces, in one where its very well visible the 1908 rings where the tree have restart to born after the explosion http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/tunguska1.JPG and a brunt wood http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/tunguska2.JPG Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tunguska wood
Hi, Well, there is no doubt that Matteo has a bigger one than me - getting wood I mean Best dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Armanty?
Hi Martin I have two images of the Armanty mass on my largest meteorites page http://jensenmeteorites.com/largestmeteorites.htm (see #4) Unfortunately they are both from the side and don't show the mass as clearly as the image you have does. I looked for some better images but all if found were the same images that were probably "borrowed" from my site. I also followed the url backwards and found this caption under the image from the web page it is on; Meteorite This is the world's 3rd largest meteorite ever found in one piece. You would be happy about this one falling thru the roof of your house. Just a shame about the grafitti on it. Actually it is the world's 4th largest meteorite. Since it is grouped with images from the city of Urumqi it has to be Armanty. I'm going to see if I can email them for permission to add it to my page. If anyone else has photos they took of any of the meteorites on the page I would love to add them to my site. Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com -- Original message -- From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ist hat the Armanty mass? > > http://kuerzer.de/armanti > > Buckleboo! > Martin > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange 'Crater' on a SAU 001
I recently purchased a small SAU 001 being sold as having a 'crater.' It is definitely not a crater, as this would not make sense on a stone, right? I think it may be remnants of an armored chondrule? What do you all think? http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sau.jpg The rim is approximately 4mm across and is raised .5mm. The center of the rim is flush with the rest of the meteorite. Also, has anyone seen an example of an impact pit on a stone meteorite? Obviously stone doesn't transfer energy the same way an iron would. It seems like it would be more likely to break or chip away from a micrometeoroid impact rather than make an actual impact pit. Thanks for looking! Mike Bandli __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange 'Crater' on a SAU 001
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:28:58 -0700, you wrote: >I recently purchased a small SAU 001 being sold as having a 'crater.' It is >definitely not a crater, as this would not make sense on a stone, right? I >think it may be remnants of an armored chondrule? What do you all think? > >http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sau.jpg > I'd think that it is probably the remains of an armored chondrule. Take a look at this 869 that I have. It had a very similar-looking feature on the surface of the fusion crust that, after sanding, proved to be an armored chondrule. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/notacrater.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link
Sorry, I couldn't resist posting some pics of a recent NWA XXX acquisition: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage1.jpg http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage2.jpg I love unclassified stones like this. Mike Bandli __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link
The price of unclassifieds doesn't hurt, either! Beauty stone! One of those that would be a crime to cut it to see the matrix. Cheers, Pete From: "Mike Bandli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:49:31 -0700 Sorry, I couldn't resist posting some pics of a recent NWA XXX acquisition: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage1.jpg http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage2.jpg I love unclassified stones like this. Mike Bandli __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 15 ton pictures?
Hello Mike, You have any pictures of the new 15 ton Campo that was found by William Cassidy last year? Tim Heitz St. Louis Missouri. Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Armanty? Hi Martin I have two images of the Armanty mass on my largest meteorites page http://jensenmeteorites.com/largestmeteorites.htm (see #4) Unfortunately they are both from the side and don't show the mass as clearly as the image you have does. I looked for some better images but all if found were the same images that were probably "borrowed" from my site. I also followed the url backwards and found this caption under the image from the web page it is on; Meteorite This is the world's 3rd largest meteorite ever found in one piece. You would be happy about this one falling thru the roof of your house. Just a shame about the grafitti on it. Actually it is the world's 4th largest meteorite. Since it is grouped with images from the city of Urumqi it has to be Armanty. I'm going to see if I can email them for permission to add it to my page. If anyone else has photos they took of any of the meteorites on the page I would love to add them to my site. Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com -- Original message -- From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ist hat the Armanty mass? http://kuerzer.de/armanti Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange 'Crater' on a SAU 001
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:28:58 -0700, you wrote: >I recently purchased a small SAU 001 being sold as having a 'crater.' It is >definitely not a crater, as this would not make sense on a stone, right? I >think it may be remnants of an armored chondrule? What do you all think? Here's another one that I had to find and scan-- an 8 gram NWA 869 where the creamy nougat center has been melted out of the chondrule, leaving just the metal armor. It looks like a little cup partially embedded in the meteorite. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/869pit.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/869pit_close.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sausage Link
Hi Mike and Listees, Nice fresh one Mike! Love those thermal contraction cracks and the matte black charcoal crust. Great Find Pat --- Mike Bandli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, I couldn't resist posting some pics of a > recent NWA XXX acquisition: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage1.jpg > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/sausage2.jpg > > I love unclassified stones like this. > > Mike Bandli > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT
Harrumph: When Phaeton Sleeps What do I care for falling stars, For meteors, for Moon, for Mars? My name in Mr Buckleboo and I'm a real a... Martin Edmund Altmann -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Robert Verish Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2006 10:46 An: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT Forward Message - Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Valentin Grigore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) - Andrei Dorian Gheorghe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alastair McBeath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Valentin Grigore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - In this issue: I. FALLEN STAR II. METEOR DIALOGUES III. METEOR POEMS IV. HUMOROUS METEOR TRIALOGUE V. PERSEIDS - ROMANIAN MEMORIES VI. MAGELLANIC CLOUDS AND METEORS Previous issues: -Leonid 2002 Poetry – prologue, December 2002 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1088 -MCPP (1), June 2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1177 -MCPP (2), December 2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1321 -MCPP (3), June 2004 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1392 -The Song of the IMC – a September 2004 supplement by Jeremie Vaubaillon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1455 -MCPP (4), December 2004 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1507 -MCPP (5), June 2005 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1573 -MCPP (6), December 2005 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1649 The next issue, for which we wait for submissions, will appear at the winter solstice 2006. - Coordinators - "I wish all of you many moments of appreciation of the beauty of the world, not in the least of the night sky and of meteors!" - Cis Verbeeck (Belgium) - I. FALLEN STAR COSMIC STONES - by Arnold Leinweber (1920-2006, Romania) - We know that the meteoroids gravitating without station could be virtual meteors. We also know that Terra travelling on its own orbit has a cloth - the protecting atmosphere. In contact with the atmosphere, they begin to disintegrate seeming to be falling stars. If they do not totally burn in the atmosphere, they drop on Terra - a strange blend becoming museum pieces. The End. II. METEOR DIALOGUES FALLING STARS - by Iulian Olaru (Romania) and Dan Mitrut (Romania) - Iulian Olaru: Last night, a +2 magnitude meteor, coming from the zenith to the left of Gemini, made me think of the folk belief that someone dies when a star falls… Dan Mitrut: Another folk belief says that meteors are human souls climbing the sky at the person's birth. These beliefs are not contradictory, but complementary, because the people tried to transcend cosmic matter, to give soul to the sky and to give sense to the phenomena. That was the road from metaphysics to spirituality… METEORIC PHILOSOPHY OF THE EPHEMERIDES - by Mohamad Magdy (Egypt) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe (Romania) - Mohamad Magdy: I could make astronomical ephemerides for stars, comets, asteroids and all celestial phenomena… All I need is a work team to share… for goodness! Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: Unfortunately, the meteors are so ephemeral… ANOTHER YEAR - by John Francis Haines (U.K.) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe (Romania) - John Francis Haines: Very cold here, out mostly dry - in fact, it's been a very dry winter altogether. The garden's stirring into life, which means that Spring is just around the corner, then the endless round of lawn-mowing, hedge-clipping, will begin again for another year. Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: As well as the meteor observational campaigns, in order to take care of the celestial garden. III. METEOR POEMS SPHERICAL GEOMETRY - by Diana Maria Ogescu (Romania) - The Sky is an immense cupola. Heterogeneous seeds bear fruit, as in a solarium. >From seeds with people I came up too. Abyssal germens gave birth to the planets with orbits and fireball heads. METEOR - by Boris Marian (Romania) - Once, in the deep night, I heard a meteor passing. I'll never forget that late moment of rest, I seemed like a dead person alive, overwhelmed with fear, for that meteor didn't extinguish itself, but it said, with the voice of a raven… on my word, it was a meteor saying to me just: "Nevermore." LYRIDS - by Michaela Al. Orescu (Romania) - rumours of light the god Orpheus' lyre drips in April A TEAR FROM THE SKY - by Tania Tilici (Romania) - A tear from the sky comes to melt into the sea. Noise of the tear disturbs the waters, But after a while the sweet calm returns And the sea rearranges its blue ribbons As if nothing had happened. A child watching asks: "Oh, sky, Is your mirror so peaceful?" A NIGHT OF THE ETA AQUARIDS - by Alina Istrate (Romania) - I'm sorry_ the theme for today