date:20061119

cloud cover at midnite on cape cod MA
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:24 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???


> Hello List,
>
>  Hope some of you had a better show than we did.
> Perhaps you guys on the east coast?? Perfectly clear
> skies here in Arkansas, but very few meteors, and no
> nice fireballs. Pretty much like the prediction it
> seems. How was it for the rest of you?
>
>  Best wishes,
>  Robert Woolard
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
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[meteorite-list] Christian's and Hanno's Munich Chondrite Breccia

2006-11-19 Thread bernd . pauli

Hello Listees and Listoids,

Gorgeous chondrite with beautiful bull's-eye chondrules (bleached chondrules
indicative of aqueous processes on its parent asteroid). Like David, I don't
think the dark "inclusions" are carbonaceous but rather shock-melted pockets
of the surrounding matrix material. I think so because the clasts and fragments
within look the same as the clasts and fragments outside the dark clast. 
Although
my first impression was "Wow, lots of chondrules!", a closer look clearly shows
several more highly metamorphosed matrix areas where chondrule boundaries
become blurred and indistinctive (bluish-gray areas). Hanno's "kohlig-01.jpe"
shows a similar but less disturbed area about one cm to the right of this dark
inclusion. It looks almost like a mirror image; because it is less disturbed, 
you
can easily recognize the matrix components shining through. The overall texture
and abundance of chondrules reminds me of Sayh al Uhaymir 001 (Oman), which
would make it an L4/5 chondrite.

Jeff K. wrote that he has only ever seen these dark inclusions in Type-3's
and Christian's and Hanno's Munich chondrite breccia does indeed resemble
Jeff's and my NWA 2490 and NWA 2933 specimens, but, if the Munich chondrite
is really an L3, I would  g u e s s (!) it's something close to L4, something
like L3.8 or L3.9.

What is a bit of a puzzle to me, is, apart from Christian's megachondrule 
(possibly a
mixture of different pyroxenes: enstatite, pigeonite) is that most of the 
chondrules are
relatively small. This would point toward a classification as an H-chondrite. 
Now, in
view of the few larger chondrules + the megachondrule in Christian's slice, we 
may be
looking at an H/L chondrite.

I'm really looking forward to hearing more about this bluish-black, filigrane 
network
inside Christian's megachondrule. I have no hunch what that might be. It must 
be a
pleasure to look at a thin section of this part of the chondrite in polarized 
light!!!

Christian, Hanno, thanks for sharing these pictures and, please, keep us
informed about the classifiction results and about this weird megachondrule.

Chon-drool-itically,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

Ruben and Michael,
 You do such a great service for all of us on the list.
One thing I think would greatly improve it (for me,
anyway) is if you provided minimal information on the
featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the fall/find - then,
much less important would be the other stuff one might
look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if I at least
knew what I was looking at it would greatly enrich the
experience for me.
Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing contribution!
Best wishes, Michael

on 11/19/06 9:02 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
> Jerry Flaherty
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> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:27 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November
> 19,2006
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>> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_19.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

28# Glorietta MT???
Jerry Flaherty
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To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 
19, 2006


> Ruben and Michael,
> You do such a great service for all of us on the list.
>One thing I think would greatly improve it (for me,
> anyway) is if you provided minimal information on the
> featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the fall/find - then,
> much less important would be the other stuff one might
> look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if I at least
> knew what I was looking at it would greatly enrich the
> experience for me.
>Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing contribution!
>Best wishes, Michael
>
>
> on 11/19/06 9:02 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
>> Jerry Flaherty
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:27 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November
>> 19,2006
>>
>>
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[meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days

2006-11-19 Thread stan .

Hello all, another group of auctions ending in about 2 days. End times start
at about 19:14 PDT on November 21

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1

You will have to scroll past a good number of laser items to get to the
meteorite goodies - unless ofcourse you happen to not be able to live
without a spectra physics 60w cw laser diode bar.

Highlights from this weeks auctions include my biggest piece of nwa 011/2400
paired material, and what is likely to be my last piece of super nice R 3-6
breccia with neat black primitive type 3 inclusions (both stones have had
type specimins submitted and i will have unique nwa numbers for them
shortly). Some of my regular standbys like awsome small bits of seymchan,
and the last few pieces of my new acapulcoite and angrite. Some polymict
dioginite an awsome H4 and my personal favorite LL3.7

The R is really worth a gander even if you arent interested in bidding as I
was able to snap some very nice closeups of the interesting features in this
material.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280049470013&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

Apparently some browsers provide more/different information than mine.
I use "Foxfire" - which I know is fairly common, and this is ALL
that came through besides the photo:
---
Rocks From Space Picture of the Day
Sunday, November 19, 2006
Photo courtesy of: Rubin Garcia (MR-METEORITE)
CALENDAR
Author & editor: Michael Johnson (SPACEROCKSINC.com)

Apparently your browser included "28# Glorietta MT" - Mine
did not.
Often, the little information (such as who provided the photo)
is "under" the edge of the photo, with only the bottom 1/3rd or so
peeking out. 
Perhaps this is just one of those internet problems that is
without solution. I certainly am not sufficiently sophisticated enough
to figure it out.
Best wishes, Michael



on 11/19/06 10:45 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 28# Glorietta MT???
> Jerry Flaherty
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "Meteorite List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November
> 19, 2006
> 
> 
>> Ruben and Michael,
>> You do such a great service for all of us on the list.
>>One thing I think would greatly improve it (for me,
>> anyway) is if you provided minimal information on the
>> featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the fall/find - then,
>> much less important would be the other stuff one might
>> look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if I at least
>> knew what I was looking at it would greatly enrich the
>> experience for me.
>>Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing contribution!
>>Best wishes, Michael
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/19/06 9:02 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
>>> Jerry Flaherty
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:27 AM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November
>>> 19,2006
>>> 
>>> 
 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_19.html
 
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[meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependable meteor shower timing

2006-11-19 Thread MexicoDoug

Dear List,

Had clear, fairly dark skies all night, observed 23:00 - 01:00 EST Saturday 
night/Sunday Morning covered the peak of the Leonids, which have always been 
a tough call no one can figure out...

After seeing one reasonable fireball at 23:30, I spent the rest of the time 
bs-ing with other astronomers hoping a chance glance might catch my eye. 
Those experts that spent the time wired on having a successful evening 
boasted a total of 3-4 each in the 1.5 hour period, all reasonably bright, 
but really nothing to write home about.

My favorite shower, the sometimes electrifying Quadrantids on January 3/4 
2007 will be a lunar disaster to write off, and it looks like casual meteor 
observers looking for a bang for the buck will have to wait until perfect 
astronomical conditions line up by observing during the New Moon at the the 
4:00 AM CDT (09:00 UTC) 13 August 2007 shower peak of the historically 
dependable PERSEIDS, though the parent body is receding more and supposedly 
finally taking more of its dustpile with it.

So mark your calenders for the Perseids, before work on Monday 13 Aug 2007 
if you only want to pick one shower next year where you probably won't be 
disappointed.  The Perseus radiant is high in the sky, and it will also be a 
perfect opportunity to see with naked eyes or binoculars the Great Galaxy in 
Andromeda, named for the constellacion of the hot African princess Perseus 
himself unshackled from the jaws of a seamonster and then savoured for his 
toils producing among others, a son who was the father of the Persians.  The 
Andromeda Galaxy is essentially the furthest we can see with the naked eye, 
and only object we can se outside our own Mikly Way Galaxy in the Northern 
Hemisphere since the slightly further Triangulum galaxy requires shameless 
prodigal vision.

Best wishes,
Doug




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From: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???


> cloud cover at midnite on cape cod MA
> Jerry Flaherty
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:24 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???
>
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>>  Hope some of you had a better show than we did.
>> Perhaps you guys on the east coast?? Perfectly clear
>> skies here in Arkansas, but very few meteors, and no
>> nice fireballs. Pretty much like the prediction it
>> seems. How was it for the rest of you?
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>  Robert Woolard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] List members sale - AD

This is a sale for list members only:
As you all know, Glorietta Mtn. has produced a limited
amount of pallasitic material. Generally, it was first offered
at $45 a gram, though some material, especially a year or so
after the big find, was available for as low as $30/g, especially
if it was primarily metal with only a small area of crystals.
I have a friend who wants to sell a piece - one I consider
to be fantastically beautiful - perhaps the best combination of
etched and translucent crystals I have seen. Even if you are not
interested in acquiring a piece of this material, you must see
photos of this fantastic full slice by transmitted light and by
reflected light here:

http://community.webshots.com/album/555698377YBOBVq

Please contact me off list - members only: under $27/g...  .
Thanks, Michael

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

Sorry,No problem Mike
Jerry Flaherty
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From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
"Meteorite List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 
19, 2006


> Apparently some browsers provide more/different information than mine.
>I use "Foxfire" - which I know is fairly common, and this is ALL
> that came through besides the photo:
> ---
> Rocks From Space Picture of the Day
> Sunday, November 19, 2006
> Photo courtesy of: Rubin Garcia (MR-METEORITE)
> CALENDAR
> Author & editor: Michael Johnson (SPACEROCKSINC.com)
> 
>Apparently your browser included "28# Glorietta MT" - Mine
> did not.
>Often, the little information (such as who provided the photo)
> is "under" the edge of the photo, with only the bottom 1/3rd or so
> peeking out.
>Perhaps this is just one of those internet problems that is
> without solution. I certainly am not sufficiently sophisticated enough
> to figure it out.
>Best wishes, Michael
>
>
>
> on 11/19/06 10:45 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> 28# Glorietta MT???
>> Jerry Flaherty
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> "Meteorite List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - 
>> November
>> 19, 2006
>>
>>
>>> Ruben and Michael,
>>> You do such a great service for all of us on the list.
>>>One thing I think would greatly improve it (for me,
>>> anyway) is if you provided minimal information on the
>>> featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the fall/find - then,
>>> much less important would be the other stuff one might
>>> look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if I at least
>>> knew what I was looking at it would greatly enrich the
>>> experience for me.
>>>Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing contribution!
>>>Best wishes, Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> on 11/19/06 9:02 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
 Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
 Jerry Flaherty
 - Original Message -
 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:27 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - 
 November
 19,2006


> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_19.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependable meteor shower timing

Keep us up to date on the Quantradis Doug!!
CLD tho.
Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Robert Woolard" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependable meteor shower timing


> Dear List,
>
> Had clear, fairly dark skies all night, observed 23:00 - 01:00 EST 
> Saturday night/Sunday Morning covered the peak of the Leonids, which have 
> always been a tough call no one can figure out...
>
> After seeing one reasonable fireball at 23:30, I spent the rest of the 
> time bs-ing with other astronomers hoping a chance glance might catch my 
> eye. Those experts that spent the time wired on having a successful 
> evening boasted a total of 3-4 each in the 1.5 hour period, all reasonably 
> bright, but really nothing to write home about.
>
> My favorite shower, the sometimes electrifying Quadrantids on January 3/4 
> 2007 will be a lunar disaster to write off, and it looks like casual 
> meteor observers looking for a bang for the buck will have to wait until 
> perfect astronomical conditions line up by observing during the New Moon 
> at the the 4:00 AM CDT (09:00 UTC) 13 August 2007 shower peak of the 
> historically dependable PERSEIDS, though the parent body is receding more 
> and supposedly finally taking more of its dustpile with it.
>
> So mark your calenders for the Perseids, before work on Monday 13 Aug 2007 
> if you only want to pick one shower next year where you probably won't be 
> disappointed.  The Perseus radiant is high in the sky, and it will also be 
> a perfect opportunity to see with naked eyes or binoculars the Great 
> Galaxy in Andromeda, named for the constellacion of the hot African 
> princess Perseus himself unshackled from the jaws of a seamonster and then 
> savoured for his toils producing among others, a son who was the father of 
> the Persians.  The Andromeda Galaxy is essentially the furthest we can see 
> with the naked eye, and only object we can se outside our own Mikly Way 
> Galaxy in the Northern Hemisphere since the slightly further Triangulum 
> galaxy requires shameless prodigal vision.
>
> Best wishes,
> Doug
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???
>
>
>> cloud cover at midnite on cape cod MA
>> Jerry Flaherty
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Robert Woolard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:24 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???
>>
>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>>  Hope some of you had a better show than we did.
>>> Perhaps you guys on the east coast?? Perfectly clear
>>> skies here in Arkansas, but very few meteors, and no
>>> nice fireballs. Pretty much like the prediction it
>>> seems. How was it for the rest of you?
>>>
>>>  Best wishes,
>>>  Robert Woolard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

2006-11-19 Thread Darren Garrison

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:53:19 -0800, you wrote:

>Apparently some browsers provide more/different information than mine.
>I use "Foxfire" - which I know is fairly common, and this is ALL
>that came through besides the photo:

See, there's your problem right there.  While an earlier, lesbian-themed
Angelina Jolie movie CAN be good for some entertainment, it can't be used for
browsing the web.  Maybe you could switch to Firefox.  Then you'll see this:

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/firefoxscreen.jpg

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

Cute. 
Michael

on 11/19/06 11:43 AM, Darren Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 10:53:19 -0800, you wrote:
> 
>> Apparently some browsers provide more/different information than mine.
>>I use "Foxfire" - which I know is fairly common, and this is ALL
>> that came through besides the photo:
> 
> See, there's your problem right there.  While an earlier, lesbian-themed
> Angelina Jolie movie CAN be good for some entertainment, it can't be used for
> browsing the web.  Maybe you could switch to Firefox.  Then you'll see this:
> 
> http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/firefoxscreen.jpg
> 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

Hi Dave,
Yes - and I explained that would be a mere convenience - but
to LOOK UP that info, you must first have the fall/find NAME. I
am not getting the name. I don't know why could it be cox cable?
could it be Firefox? Could it be Macintosh? Could it be a combination
of Firefox and Macintosh? Could it be gremlins? Who knows. Apparently
EVERYONE ELSE is getting the name of the fall/find with these photos.
Why I am not is a mystery
Is ANYONE else on the list not getting the fall/find name?
Michael

on 11/19/06 12:06 PM, Dave Freeman mjwy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Dear Ruben and Michael;
> I like the photo's a lot as they are.   I have a book or five to look up
> TKW, fall/find and all the other information.
> I seem to make time to look up  the info. if it is important to me.
> Keep 'em coming as they are, it gives me something to look up!
> Dave F.
> 
> Michael L Blood wrote:
> 
>> Ruben and Michael,
>> You do such a great service for all of us on the list.
>>One thing I think would greatly improve it (for me,
>> anyway) is if you provided minimal information on the
>> featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the fall/find - then,
>> much less important would be the other stuff one might
>> look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if I at least
>> knew what I was looking at it would greatly enrich the
>> experience for me.
>>Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing contribution!
>>Best wishes, Michael
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/19/06 9:02 AM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
>>> Jerry Flaherty
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:27 AM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November
>>> 19,2006
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006

2006-11-19 Thread Darren Garrison

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:16:15 -0800, you wrote:

>to LOOK UP that info, you must first have the fall/find NAME. I
>am not getting the name. I don't know why could it be cox cable?
>could it be Firefox? Could it be Macintosh? Could it be a combination
>of Firefox and Macintosh? Could it be gremlins? Who knows. Apparently

Could you do a screen capture of Firefox not showing the caption (like I did
with Firefox showing the caption)?  Maybe that'll show some clue as to what
looks different on your version.

On general principle, though, the standard way to fix a Mac is with a 10-pound
sledge.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Image overlaping the caption

2006-11-19 Thread Mr EMan

Go to image zoom under view in the menu and reduce it
to 75%,  This Will expose the caption text. I
accidentally found that in Firefox, the image floats
over the caption and you can see the text by resizing
the image.

I can't seem to make any image zoom settings
permanent.

Elton


--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Apparently some browsers provide more/different
> information than mine.
> I use "Foxfire" - which I know is fairly
> common, and this is ALL
> that came through besides the photo:
> ---
> Rocks From Space Picture of the Day
> Sunday, November 19, 2006
> Photo courtesy of: Rubin Garcia (MR-METEORITE)
> CALENDAR
> Author & editor: Michael Johnson (SPACEROCKSINC.com)
> 
> Apparently your browser included "28#
> Glorietta MT" - Mine
> did not.
> Often, the little information (such as who
> provided the photo)
> is "under" the edge of the photo, with only the
> bottom 1/3rd or so
> peeking out. 
> Perhaps this is just one of those internet
> problems that is
> without solution. I certainly am not sufficiently
> sophisticated enough
> to figure it out.
> Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/19/06 10:45 AM, Gerald Flaherty at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 28# Glorietta MT???
> > Jerry Flaherty
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > "Meteorite List"
> 
> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space
> Picture of the Day - November
> > 19, 2006
> > 
> > 
> >> Ruben and Michael,
> >> You do such a great service for all of us
> on the list.
> >>One thing I think would greatly improve it
> (for me,
> >> anyway) is if you provided minimal information on
> the
> >> featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the
> fall/find - then,
> >> much less important would be the other stuff one
> might
> >> look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if
> I at least
> >> knew what I was looking at it would greatly
> enrich the
> >> experience for me.
> >>Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing
> contribution!
> >>Best wishes, Michael
> >> 
> >> 
> >> on 11/19/06 9:02 AM, Gerald Flaherty at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
> >>> Jerry Flaherty
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: 
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:27 AM
> >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space
> Picture of the Day - November
> >>> 19,2006
> >>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependable meteorshower timing

2006-11-19 Thread Chris Peterson

Don't overlook the Geminids, December 14. Not a lot of interference from 
the Moon this year. IMO the Geminids are the number one shower to be 
seen- it produces the highest rate of any shower (much better than the 
Perseids), and by far the most fireballs (which tend to be fairly long 
and colorful, because of the low speed particles, just 35 km/s).

The Quadrantids can be quite good, but they aren't as dependable as the 
Geminids for fireball production.

Chris

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From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Robert Woolard" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependable 
meteorshower timing


> Dear List,
>
> Had clear, fairly dark skies all night, observed 23:00 - 01:00 EST 
> Saturday
> night/Sunday Morning covered the peak of the Leonids, which have 
> always been
> a tough call no one can figure out...
>
> After seeing one reasonable fireball at 23:30, I spent the rest of the 
> time
> bs-ing with other astronomers hoping a chance glance might catch my 
> eye.
> Those experts that spent the time wired on having a successful evening
> boasted a total of 3-4 each in the 1.5 hour period, all reasonably 
> bright,
> but really nothing to write home about.
>
> My favorite shower, the sometimes electrifying Quadrantids on January 
> 3/4
> 2007 will be a lunar disaster to write off, and it looks like casual 
> meteor
> observers looking for a bang for the buck will have to wait until 
> perfect
> astronomical conditions line up by observing during the New Moon at 
> the the
> 4:00 AM CDT (09:00 UTC) 13 August 2007 shower peak of the historically
> dependable PERSEIDS, though the parent body is receding more and 
> supposedly
> finally taking more of its dustpile with it.
>
> So mark your calenders for the Perseids, before work on Monday 13 Aug 
> 2007
> if you only want to pick one shower next year where you probably won't 
> be
> disappointed.  The Perseus radiant is high in the sky, and it will 
> also be a
> perfect opportunity to see with naked eyes or binoculars the Great 
> Galaxy in
> Andromeda, named for the constellacion of the hot African princess 
> Perseus
> himself unshackled from the jaws of a seamonster and then savoured for 
> his
> toils producing among others, a son who was the father of the 
> Persians.  The
> Andromeda Galaxy is essentially the furthest we can see with the naked 
> eye,
> and only object we can se outside our own Mikly Way Galaxy in the 
> Northern
> Hemisphere since the slightly further Triangulum galaxy requires 
> shameless
> prodigal vision.
>
> Best wishes,
> Doug

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Re: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???

2006-11-19 Thread Rodrigo Martinez

Hola List
I saw 5 between 2 and 5 am in the the beautiful Elqui valley lat 30º S Long
70º W, near Tololo observatory

Saludos

Rodrigo Martinez

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From: "Rob McCafferty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???


Hello All

I waited up all night to watch the Leonids this year.
I knew that if I went to bed, I'd never get up at 4am.

Curiously, the sky was pretty clear all night, unusual
for the Western Isles.

Between 4am and 5:30pm I saw 3, yes THREE meteors. Now
on a normal clear night up here I'd expect to see 10
in that time. Peak of the shower? Of those 3, only 1
came from the radiant (it was a nice one though,
magnitude -1 by my reckoning). The others were just
random meteors.

I swear I'll never listen to the scientists again.
Next year I'm going to get some sleep instead.

Rob McC
--- Stefan Brandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello watchers,
>
> same here in southern Austria,
> cloud covered all night long,
> though Saturday was clear at daytime
>
> Maybe more luck next year!
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> Hello Robert and List!
>
> It was very cloudy in the northern part of Germany
> (only some stars were
> visible). We could watch some shooting stars by
> looking through a hole
> in the clouds, but it was not "the hit" this year.
>
> Ingo
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Im Auftrag von
> Robert Woolard
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. November 2006 07:25
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006 ???
>
> Hello List,
>
>   Hope some of you had a better show than we did.
> Perhaps you guys on the east coast?? Perfectly clear
> skies here in Arkansas, but very few meteors, and no
> nice fireballs. Pretty much like the prediction it
> seems. How was it for the rest of you?
>
>   Best wishes,
>   Robert Woolard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards

2006-11-19 Thread mark ford

 

It's also worth remembering that a lot of labs/museums do exactly this anyway 
(that's what a Huss/nininger number is in the first place! -  a unique 
reference number that usually references to an info card!) 

 

But you are probably right, it's probably not going to work in a commercial 
word, where people often don't care about the rocks much,  - and as for 
agreeing a standard yes,  just recall the arguments there where about pairings!

 

Best to just vote with ones feet, and not buy from dealers who offer no info 
with their stones!

 

 

Mark

 

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From: Dave Freeman mjwy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 16 November 2006 17:13
To: mark ford
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards

 

Dear Mark;
I still go with a card yes, and..the very unpopular idea of a chain of 
custody form.  About half of what you are discussing should be on a chain of 
custody form/ authenticity certificate.  The more valuable, the more special, 
the greater need for a chain of custody form.
Heck a nice NWA from Dean accompanied by his card is real nice.   A gaza stone 
should come with a certificate that is signed and frame able.  Don't forget 
that much of the information you discuss is in a book and can be referenced by 
the individual.
New auction:  Gaza house crumb: $200 comes with signed affidavit and all the 
scientific data in a large folder, $40 shipping.

AS ONE CAN SEE from the comments on this thread, no two persons can agree on 
what in heck should be on a card and we all wonder why dealers don't piddle 
around with cards much any more.One size fits all card, additional fee $65 
and I will accompany the specimen with a card of your design that gets custom 
made at the local card shop.caution: font may be very very small if too 
much information is printed on the "plank".
Back to the card forum
Dave F.
no sumptin' fo' nutin' here.

mark ford wrote:



True but I was thinking more about a 'traceable route' than just a glorified 
label, things like TKW, even classification can change over a meteorites life 
...  but information like 'I sprayed VCI all over it', 'ex nininger', 'part of 
the piece that smashed up a house' all this information is important stuff, 
especially if it was ever studied scientifically.
 
 You can of course just collect 'space rocks', but many of us collect historic 
meteorites too !! I am concerned that we are not leaving much historical stuff 
for future generations.
 
 How many pieces of the Garza stone are now sitting in plastic boxes with a 
label saying 'Park Forest'?? What about the story behind it or the fact that it 
never touched the ground or got wet in the rain?
 
I could go on a million times but I will leave it at that.
Mark
 
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann
Sent: 16 November 2006 14:03
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards
 
 
Hummm  Frederic,
 
I think it's a little bit impolite to hand over to the collector an
ID-plank, instead of an ID-card.
How should one place such much information on a card, which is little larger
than 1 or 2 matchbooks?
 
I think the very rudimentary data are sufficient,
almost each collector knows how to use the Blue Book or the Bulletin
database, so that we don't have to put him under tutelage.
And don't forget, for many of them it's a fun, to categorize and to sort
their specimens by their own, to write their own specimen labels, to
customize and to build up their own databases or written documentation and
to hunt in the literature and web for more information about the individual
locales. That's one aspect, which makes collecting so satisfying.
Not to forget, that for some collectors also individual specimen cards are
collectible items or trophies. If they all would look the same, it would be
a little monotone, wouldn't it?
(I like our new cards, yummy, they even do have a hologram...) 
 
Huh and David,
Close and tighten your Tyvek suit :-)
 
Let's take the worst case of collectors for a dealer as an example:
- They like to pay for the most exotic types 1 or 2 bucks per gram,
everything else they take for an extortion. 
- They are buying only Micro- and Nanomounts in the sub-gram range. 
- But please, highly polished in at least 6 steps on both sides.
- slices not thicker than 1mm, 
- and absolutely coplanar.
They're waiting to get that stuff on ebay, where not so seldom, such
specimens die at 5$.
- They want to have it delivered from all over the world within 3 days after
auction has ended, 
- but they don't want to pay more than 1$ shipment costs.
- They want to have it sent registered 
- and with insurance. 
- If they aren't fully pleased with that specimen (or when they found the
same locales meanwhile even more cheaper elsewhere), they want to send it
back at the dealer's expense.
- They want it to be well packed in a zip bag 
- and in an air cushion

Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester

2006-11-19 Thread greg stanley

Wow!
   
  With these things the meteorites will fly from the ground to the magnet, so 
all you have to do is hold it a few feet from the ground.
   
  Check it out:
   
  "If carrying one into another room, carefully plan the route you will be 
taking. Computers & monitors will be affected in an entire room. Loose metallic 
objects and other magnets may become airborne and fly considerable distances - 
and at great speed - to attach themselves to this magnet."
   
  Meteorite hunting could get dangerous.
   
  Pretty neat.
   
  -greg


Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Take a look at the "supermagnets" near the bottom of the page. Massive
rare-earth magnets.

http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

2006-11-19 Thread David Pensenstadler

Jose and list:

  If the meteorite has spent eons at space temperature and only spends a few 
seconds heating the surface as it descends through our atmosphere, why 
shouldn't it still be cold from the low internal temperature of the material?

  Dave

Jose Campos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the link.
However, the captation that goes with it says:
Quote " If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do 
not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very 
cold". End of quote.

That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief, that from an 
educational point of view, must be fought off.

During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool 
down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not 
experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it - and its 
temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by.

José Campos
Portugal

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To: "Meteorite-list" 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day

> Nice pic of the day today!
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/
>
> Stefan
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Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards

2006-11-19 Thread Platypus Girl

Being new to the meteorite collecting world, this is an interesting point.  I 
think meteorites are classy and everything that can be done to maintain their 
integrity should be done.  If and when I ever sell any meteorites, I will make 
laminated cards to go with them.  
   
  Suzi
   
  
David Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear List,

I remember when dealers used to give ID cards that were actually made 
from card stock, or at least thick paper. Perhaps those who sell 
thousands of specimens a year figure their businesses can save a few 
dollars by going to flimsy paper for their ID cards, that's their 
business decision. I personally don't like these flimsy paper "cards" 
because they get bent and tear easily and just aren't compatible with 
the real cards that I receive from the vast majority of dealers. I am 
hesitant to pass these flimsy pieces of paper on to others when I trade 
away or sell different specimens because they just make the specimen 
seem cheap somehow, comparable to the cheap paper used. I just don't 
understand how any highly successful meteorite business selling in a 
worldwide market and trying to maintain a high standard of excellence 
can provide such crappy (as in cow crappy) ID papers. I find it hard to 
imagine a reason to do this, except of course if the cost of the card 
stock for the card would be a significant portion of the sales profit, 
such as in a Bessy speck. I'm not referring to that situation. I have 
never seen this issue brought up on the list before and so I am 
fearlessly bringing it up. Those who take offense are welcome to throw 
crap at me, I have my Tyvek suit on and really don't care. I just get 
tired of dealers calling flimsy paper IDs "ID Cards", but I'll get over 
it in a few minutes.

David
The Weir Meteorite Collection
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2 for1/update/givaways

2006-11-19 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites

1 AD for week no?

Matteo

--- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto:

> Hello to all on this list.This is just an update on
> my
> sale.I added another page of items.Thru tomorrow all
> is still 2 for 1 items.I also have 2 freebies to any
> who want them.I have a 2.5 and a 0.3 gram small
> fragments.They are HAH meteorites,but I do not have
> the number at this time.I will later today.These are
> classified so the 2 lucky people who get them,I will
> let you know the number later.
> 
> 
> steve
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION

2006-11-19 Thread mark ford

Try Ferric Chloride much better and safer.  - Available from electronics
stores

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 16 November 2006 01:45
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION

 

Hi to all list members!

 It has been a long time since I have needed a new bottle of nitric
acid.  So long that the last time I bought a bottle, it was at a drug
store.  Really!  Short of going 25 miles to a collage chem store, where
would be the best place to get a bottle of acid?  No one around my town
has any!  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Jim Balister

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

2006-11-19 Thread Jose Campos

Hi David,
I suppose that you mean the METEOROID (and not the meteorite), has spent eons 
in space temperature.
As you know, when the  METEOR enters our atmosphere, it is quicky heated as it 
passes through the denser layers of the Earth's atmosphere, reaching a surface 
temperature of around 2000 K at aprox. 80 Kms height -  but only a few thenths 
of a millimiter inwards from its surface, will be heated to that temperature.

This surface temperature depends on several parameters, such as its orbital 
velocity relative to Earth's, its angle of entry thru the atmosphere, its mass  
and the amount of its surface exposed to ablation.

This process takes only a few seconds,  but if it does not loose all its mass 
during the flight thru the atmosphere, it slows down to a critical velocity of 
around 3 km per second - that's when it stops shining  and its surface COOLS 
DOWN to form the typical crust that we often see on METEORITES.

As it reaches its terminal velocity, it starts a  free fall towards the ground 
- that phase is called the dark flight (obvioulsly, seldom mentioned in popular 
newspaper articles), and it LASTS FEW MINUTES - enough time to cancel off what 
might still be left of its initial  low internal body temperature, if any, at 
that stage. When you pick  the meteoriteup  from the ground, it does not feel 
to be abnormally hot (as sometimes claimed),  neither abnormally cold.

Regards,
José Campos
Portugal

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Pensenstadler 
  To: Jose Campos ; Meteorite List 
  Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

  Jose and list:

  If the meteorite has spent eons at space temperature and only spends a few 
seconds heating the surface as it descends through our atmosphere, why 
shouldn't it still be cold from the low internal temperature of the material?

  Dave

  Jose Campos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the link.
However, the captation that goes with it says:
Quote " If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do 
not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very 
cold". End of quote.

That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief, that from an 
educational point of view, must be fought off.

During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool 
down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not 
experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it - and its 
temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by.

José Campos
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day

> Nice pic of the day today!
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/
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[meteorite-list] Failed Message

I get no failed message.  However many of my posts do not show up on the list 
and most of the time it takes 24 - 72 hours to show up at all.   Posted at 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rhode Island meteorite?

2006-11-19 Thread Charlie Devine

Hello Jason and list,

I have written to Jan Barsted, president of the Chronognostic Research
Foundation, the group doing the excavation, and informed her of the
procedures that must be followed to make a find official.  Of course, it
may turn out to be a meteorwrong, but I agree it does indeed look
promising.  The dig is scheduled to end on the 22nd, and if it ever
stops raining around here, I will visit the site before then.  Right
now, that looks like Saturday, the 18th.  I'll let the list know how it
went.
Best wishes,
Charlie

--- Begin Message ---

Hello All,
For those interested, the log from the 18th does have some high quality
photos of the 'meteorite.'
And I'd have to say that it certainly looks promising, at the very least.
The interior looks relatively unweathered compared with the semi-present
crust (you can see ?chondrules? through it), but on the whole, it doesn't
look half bad.  Shape is good, texture and colour are good...anyone who's in
the area would do well to check it out.
Regards,
Jason


On 11/15/06, Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello list,

There has never been a recorded fall or find of a meteorite from my home
state of Rhode Island.  However, it was recently reported in our local
press that a stone meteorite was discovered during a still ongoing
archaeological excavation of the Newport Tower in Newport, R.I.  This
excavation hopes to answer once and for all whether the tower is
colonial English in origin or whether it is earlier in origin. ( It has
long been speculated that the tower is Norse in origin.  However, the
most recent previous study dated the mortar as 17th century. ) In any
event, if you look at the entry log for 10/19/2006, they describe the
discovery of a meteorite.  Identification was made by one Ron Barstad
and his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  The on-site photos posted with
the 10/19 log entry don't show the alleged discovery.  I will try to
visit the dig site next week.  I have many more connections to
archaeology then I do meteorite studies, so if any list member can
confirm that a meteorite has indeed been discovered in Rhode Island,
please post to the list.

On the following page, the entry for 10/19/06 describes the discovery:

http://www.chronognostic.org/daily_logs.html

Regards,
Charlie

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Re: [meteorite-list] Leonids 2006

2006-11-19 Thread Jack Schrader

Hello List.  Clear skies in Arizona and good viewing as well.  My wife and I
and a bunch of friends drove out of town ( Sierra Vista) about ten miles and
parked on our vacant land away from the city lights.  We set up lawn chairs
and filled our cups with "Snow Snake Medicine" which as most of you probably
know is Hot Chocolate and Peppermint Schnapps.  The skies were absolutely
clear and the temperature in the low 60's.  We were rewarded about 8:30 pm
with a very nice meteor to the north and then it really picked up around
9:00 pm with counts of 2-3 meteors per minute for the first half hour and
tapering off to just one or so every 5 minutes until we packed up at 11:30
pm.  All in all a nice night in Arizona for meteors.  Best wishes to
everyone for a very Happy Thanksgiving holiday!  Dr. Jack Schrader

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids, good Geminids!

2006-11-19 Thread Bob King


Mexico Doug and friends,
The Leonids may not have been great and the Quadrantids drowned by the moon
but don't forget the Geminids next month. They usually make for an excellent
shower and peak the night of Dec. 13/14 when the moon won't seriously
interfere. Wishing you clear skies!
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[meteorite-list] AD - New Meteorites For Sale Page

2006-11-19 Thread Paul Harris

Dear List Members,

Jim and I would like to announce our New Meteorites For Sale Page on 
The Meteorite Exchange.

We have been privileged for many years by having a large number of 
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[meteorite-list] METEOR SHOWER

Sorry for the double post!  I actualy posted it before the other guy!  For some 
reason it takes 24 to 72 hours for my posts to show up!  Any one else having 
the same problem?  Or is my E-Mail being checked out somewhere?  Also, is Al 
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[meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION

Hi All!
 I have another question concerning meteor showers.  That is-If showers 
do not produce meteorites, then how come fire balls are often seen during the 
Perseid's?  Fireballs often hit the ground providing that they do not blow up.  
I believe that Temple replenished the field not too long ago so there has to be 
a lot of bigger rocks up there.  Yes most are just dust, rice sized grains and 
pea sized rocks but I like to think that base ball, foot ball, and basket ball 
sized rocks are just lurking around and just waiting for us to look up and 
watch them come screaming down in a blaze of glory!  Jim Balister
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[meteorite-list] Nantan Coins Are In

2006-11-19 Thread Rob Wesel

Hello all

For those of you waiting on one of the new Nantan coins, they are being 
sent.

For those of you interested in getting one they can be found here

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I am selling off ten more at this price then they double, triple and 
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[meteorite-list] last call

2006-11-19 Thread steve arnold

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Re: [meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION

2006-11-19 Thread Chris Peterson

Technically, fireballs virtually never hit the ground. But assuming that 
you mean fireballs produce meteorites, even that is hard to quantify. We 
assume, based on calculation and observation that many, or even most, 
meteorites fragmented from meteors bright enough to be called fireballs. 
But that doesn't mean most fireballs produce meteorites.

It is generally thought that in order to produce meteorites, meteors 
need to be slow and shallow. Also, they need to be large enough and 
sturdy enough that some material survives. Generally, meteorites 
represent only a tiny fraction of the original mass.

Different showers produce fireballs for different reasons. Leonids and 
Perseids are high velocity. When the particles are large (say, pea 
sized), they dissipate a lot of energy at high altitude. This means they 
burn up completely. Other showers, like the Geminids, are low velocity. 
Larger pieced can survive somewhat lower, and burn in denser air, for 
longer times. That's why Geminid trails tend to be longer than Leonid 
trails. But aside from questions about the material strength of shower 
material (assumed, but without much evidence, to be weak), most of the 
material is just too small to survive. It burns completely before it 
slows down enough to cool, and drop. There probably isn't much up there 
the size of basketballs, or even baseballs. I imagine comets produce 
some larger pieces like that, but they would only represent a tiny 
fraction of the total. It might be years between Earth collisions with 
such large pieces.

Chris

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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION


Hi All!
 I have another question concerning meteor showers.  That is-If 
showers do not produce meteorites, then how come fire balls are often 
seen during the Perseid's?  Fireballs often hit the ground providing 
that they do not blow up.  I believe that Temple replenished the field 
not too long ago so there has to be a lot of bigger rocks up there.  Yes 
most are just dust, rice sized grains and pea sized rocks but I like to 
think that base ball, foot ball, and basket ball sized rocks are just 
lurking around and just waiting for us to look up and watch them come 
screaming down in a blaze of glory!  Jim Balister

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependablemeteorshower timing

Thanks Chris. Please keep us on target for the Geminids!
Jerry Flaherty
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next 
dependablemeteorshower timing


> Don't overlook the Geminids, December 14. Not a lot of interference from
> the Moon this year. IMO the Geminids are the number one shower to be
> seen- it produces the highest rate of any shower (much better than the
> Perseids), and by far the most fireballs (which tend to be fairly long
> and colorful, because of the low speed particles, just 35 km/s).
>
> The Quadrantids can be quite good, but they aren't as dependable as the
> Geminids for fireball production.
>
> Chris
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Robert Woolard"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:58 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids 2006 ==> next dependable
> meteorshower timing
>
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> Had clear, fairly dark skies all night, observed 23:00 - 01:00 EST
>> Saturday
>> night/Sunday Morning covered the peak of the Leonids, which have
>> always been
>> a tough call no one can figure out...
>>
>> After seeing one reasonable fireball at 23:30, I spent the rest of the
>> time
>> bs-ing with other astronomers hoping a chance glance might catch my
>> eye.
>> Those experts that spent the time wired on having a successful evening
>> boasted a total of 3-4 each in the 1.5 hour period, all reasonably
>> bright,
>> but really nothing to write home about.
>>
>> My favorite shower, the sometimes electrifying Quadrantids on January
>> 3/4
>> 2007 will be a lunar disaster to write off, and it looks like casual
>> meteor
>> observers looking for a bang for the buck will have to wait until
>> perfect
>> astronomical conditions line up by observing during the New Moon at
>> the the
>> 4:00 AM CDT (09:00 UTC) 13 August 2007 shower peak of the historically
>> dependable PERSEIDS, though the parent body is receding more and
>> supposedly
>> finally taking more of its dustpile with it.
>>
>> So mark your calenders for the Perseids, before work on Monday 13 Aug
>> 2007
>> if you only want to pick one shower next year where you probably won't
>> be
>> disappointed.  The Perseus radiant is high in the sky, and it will
>> also be a
>> perfect opportunity to see with naked eyes or binoculars the Great
>> Galaxy in
>> Andromeda, named for the constellacion of the hot African princess
>> Perseus
>> himself unshackled from the jaws of a seamonster and then savoured for
>> his
>> toils producing among others, a son who was the father of the
>> Persians.  The
>> Andromeda Galaxy is essentially the furthest we can see with the naked
>> eye,
>> and only object we can se outside our own Mikly Way Galaxy in the
>> Northern
>> Hemisphere since the slightly further Triangulum galaxy requires
>> shameless
>> prodigal vision.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Doug
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -Image overlapping the caption

Hooray!
Well, Elton, while there is  no "zoom" under  "view" in the
menu in my Firefox, there IS a "text size" and when I hit "increase"
the the entire, "Ruben Jr. Holding a 28 lb Glorieta Mountain Pallasite"
appeared! 
So, the mystery seems to be solved! THANKS, Elton. and thanks
to everyone, especially Michael Johnson, for their efforts in attempting
to solve this frustrating dilemma.
Best wishes, Michael


on 11/19/06 1:09 PM, Mr EMan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Go to image zoom under view in the menu and reduce it
> to 75%,  This Will expose the caption text. I
> accidentally found that in Firefox, the image floats
> over the caption and you can see the text by resizing
> the image.
> 
> I can't seem to make any image zoom settings
> permanent.
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Apparently some browsers provide more/different
>> information than mine.
>> I use "Foxfire" - which I know is fairly
>> common, and this is ALL
>> that came through besides the photo:
>> ---
>> Rocks From Space Picture of the Day
>> Sunday, November 19, 2006
>> Photo courtesy of: Rubin Garcia (MR-METEORITE)
>> CALENDAR
>> Author & editor: Michael Johnson (SPACEROCKSINC.com)
>> 
>> Apparently your browser included "28#
>> Glorietta MT" - Mine
>> did not.
>> Often, the little information (such as who
>> provided the photo)
>> is "under" the edge of the photo, with only the
>> bottom 1/3rd or so
>> peeking out. 
>> Perhaps this is just one of those internet
>> problems that is
>> without solution. I certainly am not sufficiently
>> sophisticated enough
>> to figure it out.
>> Best wishes, Michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/19/06 10:45 AM, Gerald Flaherty at
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> 28# Glorietta MT???
>>> Jerry Flaherty
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>> "Meteorite List"
>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space
>> Picture of the Day - November
>>> 19, 2006
>>> 
>>> 
 Ruben and Michael,
 You do such a great service for all of us
>> on the list.
One thing I think would greatly improve it
>> (for me,
 anyway) is if you provided minimal information on
>> the
 featured piece - AT LEAST the name of the
>> fall/find - then,
 much less important would be the other stuff one
>> might
 look for on an id card - type, TKW, etc. - but if
>> I at least
 knew what I was looking at it would greatly
>> enrich the
 experience for me.
Thanks again for your terrific, ongoing
>> contribution!
Best wishes, Michael
 
 
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> Neat pic Ruben and Michael!
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space
>> Picture of the Day - November
> 19,2006
> 
> 
>> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_19.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

2006-11-19 Thread Jeff Kuyken

www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/myths.html

Cheers,

Jeff

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To: David Pensenstadler ; Meteorite List
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

Hi David,
I suppose that you mean the METEOROID (and not the meteorite), has spent
eons in space temperature.
As you know, when the  METEOR enters our atmosphere, it is quicky heated as
it passes through the denser layers of the Earth's atmosphere, reaching a
surface temperature of around 2000 K at aprox. 80 Kms height -  but only a
few thenths of a millimiter inwards from its surface, will be heated to that
temperature.

This surface temperature depends on several parameters, such as its orbital
velocity relative to Earth's, its angle of entry thru the atmosphere, its
mass  and the amount of its surface exposed to ablation.

This process takes only a few seconds,  but if it does not loose all its
mass during the flight thru the atmosphere, it slows down to a critical
velocity of around 3 km per second - that's when it stops shining  and its
surface COOLS DOWN to form the typical crust that we often see on
METEORITES.

As it reaches its terminal velocity, it starts a  free fall towards the
ground - that phase is called the dark flight (obvioulsly, seldom mentioned
in popular newspaper articles), and it LASTS FEW MINUTES - enough time to
cancel off what might still be left of its initial  low internal body
temperature, if any, at that stage. When you pick  the meteoriteup  from the
ground, it does not feel to be abnormally hot (as sometimes claimed),
neither abnormally cold.

Regards,
José Campos
Portugal

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To: Jose Campos ; Meteorite List
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

Jose and list:

If the meteorite has spent eons at space temperature and only spends a few
seconds heating the surface as it descends through our atmosphere, why
shouldn't it still be cold from the low internal temperature of the
material?

Dave

Jose Campos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the link.
However, the captation that goes with it says:
Quote " If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do
not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very
cold". End of quote.

That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief, that from an
educational point of view, must be fought off.

During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool
down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not
experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it - and its
temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by.

José Campos
Portugal

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To: "Meteorite-list"
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day

> Nice pic of the day today!
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] last call

Are we counting??
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> Hi list.No it is not my list.It is the meteorite
> central list.This consists of 100's of fine people who
> are apart of this list.I have 9 more specimens left on
> my website,all at half price thru tomorrow.
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION

"fireballs virtually never hit the ground."
Aren't bolides a fireballs too? And if so?
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:29 PM
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> Technically, fireballs virtually never hit the ground. But assuming that 
> you mean fireballs produce meteorites, even that is hard to quantify. We 
> assume, based on calculation and observation that many, or even most, 
> meteorites fragmented from meteors bright enough to be called fireballs. 
> But that doesn't mean most fireballs produce meteorites.
> 
> It is generally thought that in order to produce meteorites, meteors 
> need to be slow and shallow. Also, they need to be large enough and 
> sturdy enough that some material survives. Generally, meteorites 
> represent only a tiny fraction of the original mass.
> 
> Different showers produce fireballs for different reasons. Leonids and 
> Perseids are high velocity. When the particles are large (say, pea 
> sized), they dissipate a lot of energy at high altitude. This means they 
> burn up completely. Other showers, like the Geminids, are low velocity. 
> Larger pieced can survive somewhat lower, and burn in denser air, for 
> longer times. That's why Geminid trails tend to be longer than Leonid 
> trails. But aside from questions about the material strength of shower 
> material (assumed, but without much evidence, to be weak), most of the 
> material is just too small to survive. It burns completely before it 
> slows down enough to cool, and drop. There probably isn't much up there 
> the size of basketballs, or even baseballs. I imagine comets produce 
> some larger pieces like that, but they would only represent a tiny 
> fraction of the total. It might be years between Earth collisions with 
> such large pieces.
> 
> Chris
> 
> *
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:26 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION
> 
> 
> Hi All!
> I have another question concerning meteor showers.  That is-If 
> showers do not produce meteorites, then how come fire balls are often 
> seen during the Perseid's?  Fireballs often hit the ground providing 
> that they do not blow up.  I believe that Temple replenished the field 
> not too long ago so there has to be a lot of bigger rocks up there.  Yes 
> most are just dust, rice sized grains and pea sized rocks but I like to 
> think that base ball, foot ball, and basket ball sized rocks are just 
> lurking around and just waiting for us to look up and watch them come 
> screaming down in a blaze of glory!  Jim Balister
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Re: [meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION

2006-11-19 Thread Chris Peterson

I never use the term "bolide" (and discourage its use) since it has no 
formal definition. Generally, it is used synonymously with fireball, 
often with the added distinction that fragmentation is visible. Whether 
you call them fireballs or bolides, however, it's likely that very few 
actually produce meteorites. And those that do start large, are 
traveling slowly, and enter at a shallow angle. The first two 
requirements pretty much eliminate cometary debris that causes meteor 
showers.

Chris

*
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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


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From: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANOTHER QUESTION


> "fireballs virtually never hit the ground."
> Aren't bolides a fireballs too? And if so?
> Jerry Flaherty

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids, good Geminids!

2006-11-19 Thread MexicoDoug

Hi Chris, Bob and Listees; Geminid fans,

Yup, thanks for mentioning the Geminids -  you're both right that there is 
one nice possible shower on December 14 with the Geminids before next 
August's 2007 Perseids when the Perseid peak falls during a New Moon and 
just before dawn at optimal observing times.

Sorry for overlooking the potential Geminid jubilee, I was thinking it was 
washed out by a full moon (that was last year's, not the upcoming one)...but 
that can't happen if the shortly later Quadrantids are the ones washed out 
by the Full moon "duhhh., in someone's famous word"

If anyone wants to watch the Geminids as kindly suggested by Chris and Bob, 
the peak will be 4:45 CST (10:45 UTC) on the morning of Thursday, Dec. 14, 
while the fortunate among us will be getting ready for the annual Christmas 
party and preparing to hunt meteorites with Santa...

The Moon will be reasonably bright during the Geminids (33% disk 
illumination) and high but bad enough to throw too wet a blanket on the 
party, as both of you kindly mentioned!

Chris, I know the Quadrantids aren't the most dependable nor easiest to 
catch even under good conditions (not like the old gray mare / old reliable 
Perseids) but they gave me the best show of my life - that's why they're my 
favorite.  I had counts of 300 per hour under midnight dark and perfectly 
clear skies for a few hours - actually well over 1000 per hour during 
several spurts when I was stranded in the desert.  That was the only time I 
truly felt to be in meteor "shower";  What an indescribably beautiful 
fantasyland that was with the radiant at the zenith, perfectly timed to the 
hour, with the cactus spines pinching me awake all night and meteors falling 
vertically down to all horizons, most frequently in pairs and trios... and 
the galaxy glow casting silvery light upon the frightening geological 
paradise enough to see cold rattle-snake eyes staring back under every 
amorphous dark blob close to the ground around:-)

Best wishes, Doug
- Original Message - 
From: Bob King
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids, good Geminids!


Mexico Doug and friends,
The Leonids may not have been great and the Quadrantids drowned by the moon 
but don't forget the Geminids next month. They usually make for an excellent 
shower and peak the night of Dec. 13/14 when the moon won't seriously 
interfere. Wishing you clear skies!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids, good Geminids!

2006-11-19 Thread MexicoDoug

the moon will "NOT be bad enough to throw a wet blanket" for the Geminids
- Original Message - 
From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bob King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids, good Geminids!


> Hi Chris, Bob and Listees; Geminid fans,
>
> Yup, thanks for mentioning the Geminids -  you're both right that there is
> one nice possible shower on December 14 with the Geminids before next
> August's 2007 Perseids when the Perseid peak falls during a New Moon and
> just before dawn at optimal observing times.
>
> Sorry for overlooking the potential Geminid jubilee, I was thinking it was
> washed out by a full moon (that was last year's, not the upcoming 
> one)...but
> that can't happen if the shortly later Quadrantids are the ones washed out
> by the Full moon "duhhh., in someone's famous word"
>
> If anyone wants to watch the Geminids as kindly suggested by Chris and 
> Bob,
> the peak will be 4:45 CST (10:45 UTC) on the morning of Thursday, Dec. 14,
> while the fortunate among us will be getting ready for the annual 
> Christmas
> party and preparing to hunt meteorites with Santa...
>
> The Moon will be reasonably bright during the Geminids (33% disk
> illumination) and high but bad enough to throw too wet a blanket on the
> party, as both of you kindly mentioned!
>
> Chris, I know the Quadrantids aren't the most dependable nor easiest to
> catch even under good conditions (not like the old gray mare / old 
> reliable
> Perseids) but they gave me the best show of my life - that's why they're 
> my
> favorite.  I had counts of 300 per hour under midnight dark and perfectly
> clear skies for a few hours - actually well over 1000 per hour during
> several spurts when I was stranded in the desert.  That was the only time 
> I
> truly felt to be in meteor "shower";  What an indescribably beautiful
> fantasyland that was with the radiant at the zenith, perfectly timed to 
> the
> hour, with the cactus spines pinching me awake all night and meteors 
> falling
> vertically down to all horizons, most frequently in pairs and trios... and
> the galaxy glow casting silvery light upon the frightening geological
> paradise enough to see cold rattle-snake eyes staring back under every
> amorphous dark blob close to the ground around:-)
>
> Best wishes, Doug
> - Original Message - 
> From: Bob King
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lousy Leonids, good Geminids!
>
>
> Mexico Doug and friends,
> The Leonids may not have been great and the Quadrantids drowned by the 
> moon
> but don't forget the Geminids next month. They usually make for an 
> excellent
> shower and peak the night of Dec. 13/14 when the moon won't seriously
> interfere. Wishing you clear skies!
> Bob
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] LEONID'S MORE HOPE FOR COLLECTORS

2006-11-19 Thread LITIG8NSHARK

According to Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, a "meteorite shower" results in 
excruciating pain and, welts covering the exposed body parts.  OUCH!  ;-)  
Think I'll stick to water (H2O).  Time to dig out the Kevlar body armor for the 
upcoming "SHOW".

 Dave wrote:
No, surely you are kidding, all meteorites come from meteor showers 
don't they?
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[meteorite-list] Handling rust problems after buying Irons

2006-11-19 Thread Matthias Bärmann

Hello list,

I'ld like to ask whether anyone of you ever bought Morasko from ebay-seller 
starrymet (Lukasz Smula) and how his/her experience is until now. I did so, and 
my personal experience is not very good, unfortunately (although starrymet's 
ebay-feedback is excellent). 

I bought, step by step, 4 pieces: 2 individuals, 1 etched slice, 1 etched 
endpiece. They really were pretty when I received them, the etched pieces with 
marvellous Widmannstaetten pattern and even nice and delicate Neumann lines. I 
didn't hesitate to give very positive feedbacks. So far, so good.

But it took only a few months and all 4 pieces began to rust, heavily, over and 
over. Meanwhile all of them have really dramatic rust-problems. And I need to 
underline: I never had such rusting on/in iron, not even with Nandan (!). 

I informed the seller about this problem and received only a quite lapidary 
answer, advising me to work with a (regarding my impression) pretty obsure 
chemical treatment. So I contacted the seller again, asking hin whether he'ld 
help me with a better solution or take the pieces back. But from now on I never 
received any reaction from him. I tried several times and finally informed him 
that, still remaining without any reaction, I'ld make the problem public - what 
I'm doing now, not with pleasure.

Would also be interesting for me to know how the sellers of the list use to 
handle such problems. 

Thank you, best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] last call

2006-11-19 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites

sinceraly you have broken...

--- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto:

> Hi list.No it is not my list.It is the meteorite
> central list.This consists of 100's of fine people
> who
> are apart of this list.I have 9 more specimens left
> on
> my website,all at half price thru tomorrow.
> 
> 
> 
> steve
> 
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> Website://:stormbringer60120.tripod.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester

Trouble with that technique has been that their are a LOT of nonmeteoric rocks 
in the New England neighborhood where I live. Guess I have to move closer to a 
known strewn field. Not very likely
Jerry Flaherty
  - Original Message - 
  From: greg stanley 
  To: Meteorite Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester

  Wow!

  With these things the meteorites will fly from the ground to the magnet, so 
all you have to do is hold it a few feet from the ground.

  Check it out:

  "If carrying one into another room, carefully plan the route you will be 
taking. Computers & monitors will be affected in an entire room. Loose metallic 
objects and other magnets may become airborne and fly considerable distances - 
and at great speed - to attach themselves to this magnet."

  Meteorite hunting could get dangerous.

  Pretty neat.

  -greg

  Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Take a look at the "supermagnets" near the bottom of the page. Massive
rare-earth magnets.

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[meteorite-list] A very wierd meteorite. Any ideas what it is?

2006-11-19 Thread Joe

Hello evryone,

   I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a meteorite like this? It seems to 
be like 25% Carbonacous and 75% O.C..
I was thinking it may be duel lithogy, but have been told that the black part 
is from a huge inclusion or chondrule and this is just a piece of a larger one. 
These pieces weigh about 150+ grams total.
   The dark part smells of sulfur and has a different crust on it then the rest 
of the meteorite. Take a look and tell me what you think it may be. Thanks.

http://illinoismeteorites.com/duellithpage.htm

Thanks,
Joe Kerchner
illinoismeteorites.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards


Dear Mark;
I still go with a card yes, and..the very unpopular idea of a chain 
of custody form.  About half of what you are discussing should be on a 
chain of custody form/ authenticity certificate.  The more valuable, the 
more special, the greater need for a chain of custody form.
Heck a nice NWA from Dean accompanied by his card is real nice.   A gaza 
stone should come with a certificate that is signed and frame able.  
Don't forget that much of the information you discuss is in a book and 
can be referenced by the individual.
New auction:  Gaza house crumb: $200 comes with signed affidavit and all 
the scientific data in a large folder, $40 shipping.


AS ONE CAN SEE from the comments on this thread, no two persons can 
agree on what in heck should be on a card and we all wonder why dealers 
don't piddle around with cards much any more.One size fits all card, 
additional fee $65 and I will accompany the specimen with a card of your 
design that gets custom made at the local card shop.caution: font 
may be very very small if too much information is printed on the "plank".

Back to the card forum
Dave F.
no sumptin' fo' nutin' here.

mark ford wrote:


True but I was thinking more about a 'traceable route' than just a glorified 
label, things like TKW, even classification can change over a meteorites life 
...  but information like 'I sprayed VCI all over it', 'ex nininger', 'part of 
the piece that smashed up a house' all this information is important stuff, 
especially if it was ever studied scientifically.

You can of course just collect 'space rocks', but many of us collect historic 
meteorites too !! I am concerned that we are not leaving much historical stuff 
for future generations.

How many pieces of the Garza stone are now sitting in plastic boxes with a 
label saying 'Park Forest'?? What about the story behind it or the fact that it 
never touched the ground or got wet in the rain?

I could go on a million times but I will leave it at that.
Mark



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann
Sent: 16 November 2006 14:03
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards


Hummm  Frederic,

I think it's a little bit impolite to hand over to the collector an
ID-plank, instead of an ID-card.
How should one place such much information on a card, which is little larger
than 1 or 2 matchbooks?

I think the very rudimentary data are sufficient,
almost each collector knows how to use the Blue Book or the Bulletin
database, so that we don't have to put him under tutelage.
And don't forget, for many of them it's a fun, to categorize and to sort
their specimens by their own, to write their own specimen labels, to
customize and to build up their own databases or written documentation and
to hunt in the literature and web for more information about the individual
locales. That's one aspect, which makes collecting so satisfying.
Not to forget, that for some collectors also individual specimen cards are
collectible items or trophies. If they all would look the same, it would be
a little monotone, wouldn't it?
(I like our new cards, yummy, they even do have a hologram...) 


Huh and David,
Close and tighten your Tyvek suit :-)

Let's take the worst case of collectors for a dealer as an example:
- They like to pay for the most exotic types 1 or 2 bucks per gram,
everything else they take for an extortion. 
- They are buying only Micro- and Nanomounts in the sub-gram range. 
- But please, highly polished in at least 6 steps on both sides.
- slices not thicker than 1mm, 
- and absolutely coplanar.

They're waiting to get that stuff on ebay, where not so seldom, such
specimens die at 5$.
- They want to have it delivered from all over the world within 3 days after
auction has ended, 
- but they don't want to pay more than 1$ shipment costs.
- They want to have it sent registered 
- and with insurance. 
- If they aren't fully pleased with that specimen (or when they found the

same locales meanwhile even more cheaper elsewhere), they want to send it
back at the dealer's expense.
- They want it to be well packed in a zip bag 
- and in an air cushion envelope. 
- For display it should come of course with a membrane box.

- To avoid customs tax, they want to get the receipt sent separately by
letter (of course on dealer's expense).

And now, the dealer should also add a super-designed label, colour print,
high gloss, laminated, professionally printed on deckle edged paper with a
personal dedication?

Ey David, in such cases it is by far cheaper and it would save so much time
for a dealer to send to such a customer not only the money back, but to add
a 10$ note, humbly thanking for the try to buy from him.

Martin

PS
(Hmm, I'd like to have to have a flimsy paper ID-card from Mr.Chladni,
Daubree, Cohen...)


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Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards


Very well written Martin.
Ebay is a wonderful thing but it has provided us with drawbacks as well. 
For the most part, most all want or expect a chance at something for 
nothing.
A dealer has to take it upon themselves to decide where to draw the 
line. In my business I have weeded out the cheapskates by only accepting 
paypal.  I require that the buyer pay insurance and delivery 
confirmation.  Anyone tries to jerk me around, after first attempt to 
reconcile, I put them on the banned bidder list. Yes it hurts my 
business but I don't have to work overtime with dead beats, non 
productive transactions, and do develop business with repeat customers 
with more money than myself.  I do give free specimens to valued 
customers-both old and new.  I have decided to take better pictures and 
write good discriptions. Maybe cards are a good thing for me to consider 
to increase the value to the valued customer.
We had discussed cards and a chain of custody in the past, infact, I 
send a water laboratory chain of custody form endorced by the EPA around 
to a couple folks for viewing.  It didn't float as it could have and 
drowned immediately.

Good luck,
Dave F.
Rock Springs, Wyoming (where meteorites do not fall)

Martin Altmann wrote:


Hummm  Frederic,

I think it's a little bit impolite to hand over to the collector an
ID-plank, instead of an ID-card.
How should one place such much information on a card, which is little larger
than 1 or 2 matchbooks?

I think the very rudimentary data are sufficient,
almost each collector knows how to use the Blue Book or the Bulletin
database, so that we don't have to put him under tutelage.
And don't forget, for many of them it's a fun, to categorize and to sort
their specimens by their own, to write their own specimen labels, to
customize and to build up their own databases or written documentation and
to hunt in the literature and web for more information about the individual
locales. That's one aspect, which makes collecting so satisfying.
Not to forget, that for some collectors also individual specimen cards are
collectible items or trophies. If they all would look the same, it would be
a little monotone, wouldn't it?
(I like our new cards, yummy, they even do have a hologram...) 


Huh and David,
Close and tighten your Tyvek suit :-)

Let's take the worst case of collectors for a dealer as an example:
- They like to pay for the most exotic types 1 or 2 bucks per gram,
everything else they take for an extortion. 
- They are buying only Micro- and Nanomounts in the sub-gram range. 
- But please, highly polished in at least 6 steps on both sides.
- slices not thicker than 1mm, 
- and absolutely coplanar.

They're waiting to get that stuff on ebay, where not so seldom, such
specimens die at 5$.
- They want to have it delivered from all over the world within 3 days after
auction has ended, 
- but they don't want to pay more than 1$ shipment costs.
- They want to have it sent registered 
- and with insurance. 
- If they aren't fully pleased with that specimen (or when they found the

same locales meanwhile even more cheaper elsewhere), they want to send it
back at the dealer's expense.
- They want it to be well packed in a zip bag 
- and in an air cushion envelope. 
- For display it should come of course with a membrane box.

- To avoid customs tax, they want to get the receipt sent separately by
letter (of course on dealer's expense).

And now, the dealer should also add a super-designed label, colour print,
high gloss, laminated, professionally printed on deckle edged paper with a
personal dedication?

Ey David, in such cases it is by far cheaper and it would save so much time
for a dealer to send to such a customer not only the money back, but to add
a 10$ note, humbly thanking for the try to buy from him.

Martin

PS
(Hmm, I'd like to have to have a flimsy paper ID-card from Mr.Chladni,
Daubree, Cohen...)


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. November 2006 13:33
An: David Weir; mark ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards

Hi,
I guess that most of us are open to standardize meteorites' ID cards but I
think that the main stage would be to standardize the
information that should be stated on such cards, when available of course.
The material that the card is made of is another issue and if we want to
standardize this as well I'm quite sure that it won't reach
any complete agreement of each member of the community...
Here is a suggestion of what ID cards could mention:

- Name of the meteorite, with mention whether it is official (Nom Com) or
not (personal name or working name, when not yet
classified or Nom Com approved)
- Type, as accurate as possible (could be an estimation such as "OC", etc
when it is stated that the meteorite was not classified)
- Lab & sicentist who made the classification (when classified)
- Reference of Met Bu

Re: [meteorite-list] 2 for1/update/givaways


Oh, and you forgot,REMOVE ME FROM YOUR SPAM LIST.
DF.

Dave Carothers wrote:


Steve,

1.  Two ads in two days.  A clear violation of list policy,

2.  Even at 2 for 1, the prices are rather high, and

3.  No thanks... I only deal with reputable dealers.

Dave
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From: "steve arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 for1/update/givaways


 


Hello to all on this list.This is just an update on my
sale.I added another page of items.Thru tomorrow all
is still 2 for 1 items.I also have 2 freebies to any
who want them.I have a 2.5 and a 0.3 gram small
fragments.They are HAH meteorites,but I do not have
the number at this time.I will later today.These are
classified so the 2 lucky people who get them,I will
let you know the number later.


steve

Steve Arnold,Chicago,USA!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 19, 2006