[meteorite-list] FW: Re: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters

[Bill]

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Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:50:30 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning 
tohunters

Martin,

I read the thread completely. The fellow is new and only overreacted after 
being scoffed at repeatedly. The met-list shouldn't be a place for a selected 
few. 

Imagine how much information is lost when meek people sign up prepared to 
contribute and leave in terror upon seeing these witch hunts. I have personally 
dealt with people like this. People who came here but were too intimidated to 
speak up. Imagine! They actually preferred to talk to me than the self 
proclaimed heirs.

Bill



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:08:41 +0100
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly
> warning tohunters
> 
> Yah, Bill,
> 
> they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning
> (which would be interesting to read).
> 
> Impressive!
> http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html
> 
> from there stems that one:
> http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg
> 
> Best!
> Martin
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill
> Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning
> tohunters
> 
> What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are
> you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on
> a
> regular basis?   I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened
> with
> his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for
> Mike.
> No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to
> jump
> this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest.
> 
> Let it go.
> Bill
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters

[Martin Altmann]

Yah, Bill,

they tickle him a bit, to provoke an unfriendly warning
(which would be interesting to read).

Impressive!
http://www.well.com/~dreyer/All_htmpix/htm21_35/Img22.html

from there stems that one:
http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/tambo.jpg

Best!
Martin


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bill
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 06:46
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning
tohunters

What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are
you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a
regular basis?   I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with
his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike.
No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump
this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest.   

Let it go. 
Bill 
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[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters

[Bill]

What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you 
all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular 
basis?   I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by 
Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for 
that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need 
to get off their asses and find another interest.   

Let it go. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters ...

[Bill]

What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis?
 
I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest.
 
Let it go.
Bill
 
 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:20:52 ESTTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters ...



Wow! I am glad this was a friendly waning!
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/22/2007 8:08:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will > give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that > meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at > this site please contact me and we can discuss. > > Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that > I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights > to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and > approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in > Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until > scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. > > Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns > mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered > luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, > potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might get 1 piece of > fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant > companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know > the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block > your attempts to contact the American embassy. > > There is currently astanding rewardforreporting to the police, any meteorite hunter > that may wander into this area.The reward is equivalent to 6 months income formost of > thepoor people of this area. They arenow watchful and vigilant.The towns of Aplao and > Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All > relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. > > My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I > am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. > > Randall > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go> with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. 

 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...

[Randall Gregory]

Gary,
   
  I was told that hunters would turn the place up-side down. You know some 
people would, without respect for anything. Do I have to remind you?
  http://www.azstarnet.com/gemshow01/0202.html
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1324361.stm
  http://www.rockhounds.com/tucsonshow/reports/tucson96/snapsh12.shtm
  http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3418/is_199708/ai_n8179903
  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl
  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl
  http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9899/Oct21_98/16.htm
  http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=48724
  http://www.meteorite.com/missing_stolen.html
   
   
  Gem show briefs
  Dealer robbed 2nd year in row 
  Five gemstones worth as much as $130,000 were reported stolen from a dealer 
at a gem show at the Best Western Executive Inn, 333 W. Drachman St. 
  Owner Alijohn Nourestani was having breakfast on Sunday within view of his 
display of tourmaline gemstones when five pieces were stolen, he said yesterday 
  The showcase for his business, Nourestan Gems & Minerals - The Miners of Fine 
Tourmaline, was draped with a sheet when the theft took place, police were 
told. 
  Nourestani, who has homes in Afghanistan and New Mexico, said yesterday that 
at the same show last year, he had several tourmaline gemstones stolen that 
were valued at between $8,000 and $10,000. He also had friends who had goods 
that were stolen, he said. 
  "I've been coming to the gem show in Tucson for 17 years," he said. "I love 
Tucson. But we'd like the city to know we have problems. There are gangsters in 
Tucson." 
  Police described the suspect as a 5-foot-7-inch man, about 165 pounds and 
wearing a flannel shirt and black pants. 
  

"Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I think so too. A warning like this is sure to gain friends and influence 
people. lol

Gary

On 22 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Dave Freeman mjwy wrote:

> 
> Dear Gary;
> I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare tactic 
> would 
> warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from such a crabby 
> appleton!
> His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS!
> df
> Gary K. Foote wrote:
> 
> A rather dark post Randall.
> 
> Gary
> 
> On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact 
> Databasethat will 
> give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been 
> warned that 
> meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes 
> to hunt at 
> this site please contact me and we can discuss. 
> 
> Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to 
> understand that 
> I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining 
> concession rights 
> to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine 
> matter and 
> approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal 
> rights here in 
> Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition 
> until 
> scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. 
> 
> Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it 
> concerns 
> mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be 
> considered 
> luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist 
> of beans, 
> potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might get 
> 1 piece of 
> fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your 
> constant 
> companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every 
> night. I know 
> the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are 
> ways to block 
> your attempts to contact the American embassy. 
> 
> There is currently astanding rewardforreporting to the police, any meteorite 
> hunter 
> that may wander into this area.The reward is equivalent to 6 months income 
> formost of 
> thepoor people of this area. They arenow watchful and vigilant.The towns of 
> Aplao and 
> Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in 
> each. All 
> relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. 
> 
> My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at 
> the crater, I 
> am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. 
> 
> Randall 
> 
> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
> with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Dear Sterling;


  There are innumerable historical accounts of
"fabulous" events for which at the time there was
no "rational" explanation that are perfectly and
consistently what would be expected from
a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed
as being "without proof."

Sort of reminds me of that dog discussion, did the dog die from being 
bumped in the head by the meteorite or was he just turned to ashes 
because he was barbecued?
Long live Nakhala dog and other odd stories that can't be proven 
like this one.

Dave F.
latenight

Sterling K. Webb wrote:


Hi, Michael, Jeffrey, List

   Michael, as you well know, if the stone is
not preserved, conserved, abducted by a museum,
university, or government agency, examined by
a geologist, mineralogist, scholar, savant, published,
mentioned, noted, or abstracted, and then, in more
scientific times, cut, sectioned, analyzed, poked in
the noble gases and asked to cough --- it does not
exist.

   There is no "meteorite" named ZVEZVAN, no
entries in the Catalogue, no specimens, no slices,
no nothing. Just an article in the NYTimes and one
dead wedding guest. Not much, unless the wedding
guest mattered to you. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.
What? Slow news day in Zvezvan?

   There are innumerable historical accounts of
"fabulous" events for which at the time there was
no "rational" explanation that are perfectly and
consistently what would be expected from
a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed
as being "without proof."

   There is a well-known case of a Franciscan monk
of Milan being killed by a meteorite striking him in the
leg (17th century). This is a much disputed account
despite a large number of witness and perfectly consistent
details. It was called a "celestial stoning," the notion of
meteorites being unknown at the time, and was widely
reported and well attested, but is widely regarded by the
"experts" of today as the report of the ignorant and
the credulous.

   Then, in 1985, a historian quite accidentally discovered
a lengthy account written by the physician who attempted
to save the monk's life (and failed). The "autopsy report"
is clear: the man's thigh was punctured side-to-side by a
blocky piece of heavy dark stone larger than a bullet; the
wound would have been survivable except that the "stone"
severed the femoral artery and the victim bled out.

   Those 17th century guys just didn't realize that without
a video tape of the whole thing, nobody was ever going to
believe them! No guest shot on Oprah for them... But,
frankly, to dismiss entirely these accounts for which there
is no inherent clause for dismissal as "the report of the
ignorant and the credulous" is... What's the word? Oh,
yes: ignorant and credulous. But I'm just re-iterating in a
minor way the discussion in Chap. 13 of Lewis book.
Go read that, an excellent book on meteorites.

   Jeffrey, if you have archival access to the NYT, you
might try for March 11, 1897 (1:4) account of a meteorite
whose fragments pierced walls, killed one horse, injured
another, and knocked out cold a man named David
Leisure, in New Martinsville, West Virginia, apparently
an explosive air-burst. (That's all I have, and that may
have been all that was in the Times.)

   As for the "glowing hot" references in such accounts,
that is the result of one of the great fallacies of human
perception and need not invalidate an account. Ascribing
heat to meteorites is akin to "seeing" lightening as red.

   Before 1800, in the many hundreds of descriptions
of lightening to be found in the literatures of every culture
on the planet, lightening is described as being red in color.
I accumulated 700 references to the color of lightening
prior to the late 18th century and found only one reference
to "blue" lightening; ALL others were red. Since the early
19th century, lightening is always described as "blue,
blue-white, bluish white." Why? Better eyesight nowadays?

   No. Before 1800, everyone "knew" lightening was "fire"
from heaven, and "fire" is red. Now, everyone "knows"
that lightening is electrical, a gigantic atmospheric spark,
and "electricity" is "blue" (or blue-white). Any (and every)
fool knows that. Human beings DO NOT SEE what's in
front of them; they DO SEE what they "know" to be true.
They "know" meteorites are fiery objects, so they're "hot."
Reality has nothing to do with it.

   A great many genuine in-the-book historical falls come
with witness descriptions of "hot rocks." Whether there
are ever any real "hot rocks" is impossible to determine
because they're going to be reported as hot whether they
were or not.


Sterling K. Webb
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Hi Jeffrey,
   

[meteorite-list] AD - 6 interesting meteorites for sale

[Jake Pelletier]

Hello list members,

I have 6 more meteorites for sale which are different from the ones I had for 
sale last week. These are for sale because either they are duplicates or they 
are not part of my current collecting focus which has recently changed. 

I am going to do things a little differently this time. Instead of setting a 
price for each, if you are interested in any of them please email me off list 
for a picture. If you are still interested, make me a reasonable offer. I will 
seriously consider all reasonable offers.

1) 0.540 gram slice with fusion crust of NWA 482 Lunar  
Impact Melt Breccia (very cute)
2) 0.454 gram slice of NWA 032 Lunar Basalt 
3) 0.114 gram fragment of NWA 998 Martian Nakhlite
4) 5.27 gram slice of Kapoeta (Howardite)
5) 33.5 gram full slice of NWA 1929 (Howardite)
6) 18.7 gram Beaver Creek (H5) 40mm by 28mm by 12mm 
fragment (hard to find Canadian meteorite) 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Geoff;
You forgot to mention all the sampling of the holbrook lepus leavings!  
A rich-u-al in itself!  And that Peru thing is just a pile on for comedy!

Dave F.
ebay id mjwy
Rock Springs, Wyoming


Notkin wrote:


Dave Harris posted:

 


You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most
important thing in the world and also on and on about this 
speculative Peru fall -
isn't this all a bit parochial?  Is the Hambleton pallasite really 
that
boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get 
on the

boat - that is quite possible too.
 




Dear Dave:

I think it's probably more that Rob's pallasite was discovered in 
August of 2005, so we all already know about it. There are also 
numerous photos of Rob's great find on his website.


Many, many List members have hunted at Holbrook -- it's something of a 
ritual before and after the Tucson show. So, a big find there is 
something that a lot of us who have traipsed the soggy red dunes, 
picking up weathered crumbs and micro-individuals can relate to 
personally.


And the Peru thing . . . well that's just damn entertaining  : )


Respectfully,

Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org

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[meteorite-list] AD - Darwin Glass

[ted brattstrom]

Aloha - Since it seems like my posting of a couple days ago hasn't shown up on 
the list, I will try again. I apologize in advance if my previous one shows up.
 
 I was in Tasmania in January and went to the vicinity of Darwin crater (story 
with pictures to come) and managed to find some darwin glass pieces. I put 5 of 
them up on eBay - starting at 99 cents. If you have a need of a moderately rare 
impactite glass, by all means bid.
 
 This will take you to the first one - do a view sellers other items for the 
others. At the moment, they are all still 99 cents!
 
  
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150093687420&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
  
 Thank you - ted / volcanoted
 
 
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[meteorite-list] 2 Job Openings ASU Center for Meteorite Studies

[Jake Baker]

Hi All - 

 

We're new to the mlist and live at Show Low, Arizona - 45 miles south of
Holbrook. If anyone is headed to Holbrook to hunt - we'd like to go.  

 

 

Thanks, 

Barb & Jake Baker 

 

 

 

ASU Center jobs 

 

Join us! Current job openings...

 

The Center for Meteorite Studies is seeking a Collections Manager. Primary
responsibilities involve the management and curation of the meteorite
collection in the Center. The position provides 9 months of salary support.
The successful candidate is expected to conduct independent and/or
collaborative research in the areas of cosmochemistry and/or planetary
science and will be encouraged to seek up to 3 months of summer salary
support from extramural sources for these research activities. For
application and deadline information download the announcement or email:
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The Center for Meteorite Studies has an opening for a Postdoctoral Fellow.
The successful candidate will be expected to participate in research in the
area of cosmochemistry. Ongoing research projects include the investigation
of a variety of meteoritic and planetary materials towards the development
of fine-scale chronometers based on short-lived radionuclides, as well as
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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's Imilac Trip

[Pamela Shireman]

Steve,
   
  Great story!  (I may regret this) but, I have to ask ... 
   
  Why were Marvin and Harley delayed? 
   
  Pamela Shireman
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[meteorite-list] NWA Martian and Lunar

[Alhyane Abdelaziz]

Dear Listees,
a possible new LUNAR meteorite is now on the way to US, the weight is 600grams 
approx. Let's hope it is a very very rare lunar stone ever found, i 
congratulate the new owner - :)
Aziz

"E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all - 

I finally delivered the lunar and martian cuttings
which I purchased ftom Greg Hupe earlier this year to
the recipients' mother - a very belated Christmas
gift.  I gave them to her at a fund raising event for
their father, who is in very serious condition. She
was very pleased ("Fantastic! - From Mars? You have to
be kidding! and many smiles) , and I think that they
will bring a little badly needed cheer to their
children.

My thanks to Greg once again, and I am sorry that we
did not meet in Tuscon.

good hunting, 
Ed




 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Martian Fossils Best Bet For Locating MarsLife

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Dear Sterling;
After hunting them here very successfully for 9 (wow that's a very long 
time) years, I am pretty good at it.
Track record:   stromatolites found 6 separate genus and species, 8 tons 
collected
   meteorites:found 1 L-6  
  54 grams
For hire: middle aged stromatolite prospector Has not flown in 31 
years.  ...another case of astronaut farmer.

Dave F.


Sterling K. Webb wrote:


Hi, List,

 


discovery may involve finding biologically
formed structures in old sedimentary deposits...
like stromatolites found here on Earth.
   



   I say we get up a kitty to send Dave Freeman!

   Mars is a lot like Wyoming, Dave, only redder.


Sterling K. Webb
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Feb. 16, 2007

Hunting Martian fossils best bet for locating Mars life, says ASU researcher

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. -- Hunting for traces of life on Mars calls for two
radically different strategies, says Arizona State University professor Jack
Farmer. Of the two, he says, with today's exploration technology we can most
easily look for evidence for past life, preserved as fossil "biosignatures"
in old rocks.

Farmer is a professor of geological sciences in ASU's School of Earth and
Space Exploration, where he heads the astrobiology program. He is reporting
on his work today (Feb. 16) at the annual meeting of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science in San Francisco.

"Searching for extraterrestrial life must follow two alternative pathways,
each requiring a different approach and tools," Farmer says. "If we're
looking for living organisms, we are doing exobiology. But if we are seeking
traces -- biosignatures -- of ancient life, it's better to call it
exopaleontology."

Unfortunately, he notes, "for the next 10 or 15 years, technology
limitations will force us down the exopaleontology path." The core issue is
accessibility. "To find living organisms on Mars," says Farmer, "you need to
find liquid water. Because liquid water is unstable on the Martian surface
today, that means going deep into the subsurface."

Water saturates the ground in high latitudes north and south, and around
both poles, only a few inches below the surface, Farmer explains. But this
water remains frozen year round. "Environments with liquid water will likely
lie far deeper, perhaps miles below the surface."

Organisms have been found living in fractured rock, thousands of feet
underground on Earth, Farmer notes. "But with current robotic technology, we
simply can't drill that deep on Mars."

Terrestrial deep drilling requires complex, heavy equipment, plus constant
supervision and troubleshooting by human crews.

Says Farmer, "We'll be lucky if, in the next decade or so, robotic drilling
on Mars reaches a depth of a couple yards."

So where does that leave us in the search for life on Mars? Farmer says our
best choice is to pursue the exopaleontology path.

"Finding the signatures of an ancient Martian biosphere means exploring old
rocks that might preserve traces of life for millions or billions of years,"
Farmer notes. Among the best places to look on Mars, he says, are deposits
left by springs and former lakes in the heavily cratered highlands. "The
rocks there date from a period in Martian history when liquid water was
common at the surface." In fact, says Farmer, conditions on Mars then were
likely similar to those on the early Earth at the time when life began.

"Besides water, life also requires energy sources and organic chemical
building blocks," Farmer explains. "The Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity
found ample evidence for water in ancient rocks at Meridiani Planum, but the
rovers' instruments can't detect organic materials." However, NASA's next
rover, the Mars Science Laboratory, will carry instruments to analyze traces
of organic substances. It is due for launch in 2009.

Recognizing a Martian fossil may be difficult. "We're not talking about
stumbling over dinosaur bones," Farmer says.

Instead, the discovery may involve finding biologically formed structures in
old sedimentary deposits, perhaps like stromatolites found here on Earth.
Stromatolites are distinctive structures that form in shallow oceans, lakes,
or streams where microbial colonies trap sediments to form thin repeating
layers.

Stromatolites also contain microscopic cellular remains and chemical traces
left by the microbes that formed them. Taken together, such structures
comprise the primary record of life in ancient rocks on Earth.

For hunting Martian fossils

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale (azrou)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone

[Fredmeteorhall]

Hello Ron,   I just couldn't cut my beautiful Venus Stone cast, so I cored 
it. After sending the core sample to a prominent meteoritical society member, 
this is what I found the Venus Stone to be classified as: A HowardWuite, 
planetary material consisting of hemihydrate of calcium sulfate, composition 
CaSO4 - 
1/2H2O.
Hum, doesn't seem to match up with Holbrook. The Venus Stone is safe, long 
live the Venus Stone!
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Meteorite in New Hampshire

[Thetoprok]

Gary, List,
 
Great effort Gary! You have to go look if you're going to find them. :  )
 
I've lived in lake country here in Michigan for most of my life, grew up  
here.The county I'm in has 400+ lakes, not including ponds! I lived on a lake  
almost all of my life and and I've been an ice fisherman virtually all that  
time. I've noticed these holes as long as I can remember. Perhaps I'm wrong, 
but  
here's my proposed scenario for your meteorite hole suspect. 
 

Pond freezes, small amount of snow accumulates, there's a spot above  the 
spring that's not freezing as fast and may be open. Muskrats and mink may  also 
use this as a spot to get air and feed, sometimes keeping a hole open late  
into winter. This doesn't appear to be the case though as there was not an  
abundance of vegetation on the ice, as would be if muskrats were feeding there. 
 
Anyway, the ice thickens to several inches, it warms up a bit, then snow starts 
 
to melt. This leaves a layer of water on top of the ice. At the same time, 
the  hole from the spring will grow a little from the snow melt that is flowing 
into  the pond through the hole. This leaves a spider web like pattern on the 
ice.  Now, just before the two feet of snow falls, the temperature drops, 
creating a  layer of ice on the surface of the melted snow water that's on the 
already  frozen lake surface. Two feet of snow falls and blankets the pond, 
insulating  the ice from a deeper freeze. You will have a thin layer of ice, 
perhaps a few  inches, then a layer of liquid water, then another layer of 
usually 
thicker ice,  then the pond. The spider web like pattern that was a wet trench, 
catches snow  that gets slushy, thereby catching more snow, until you 
actually have a bump  that may look like a splash because it is irregular, 
follow me?
 
 VOILA! I've observed this many times.
 
Cheers,
Larry
 

A freshwater spring can move around over a period of years, or a new  one may 
pop and last a while and redirect it's self back to the main one, that's  why 
she thought the spring was in a different location.
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/23/2007 12:08:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  writes:
Thanks for the  link Goran.  It is most telling that there was no mud on the 
surface of  
the ice.  From your referred webpage;
 
"Meteorite made 4 meter wide hole in the ice and mud was spread over 24 x  33 
m wide area 
around the hole."
 
Alo,. the fact that no chunks of ice were found around the hole.  Do  you 
think the heat 
or ferocity of a presumed impact might have melted or  shattered them to 
minute fragments 
indestinguishable from snow?
 
>  The story about the hole getting bigger 
> the first day  is one part of it.
 
That too disturbs me.  But there are thermal qualities that might have  
caused this.  
Perhaps the suddenly open water, being warmer than the  surrounding ice gave 
the hole time 
to enlarge before stunning cold set back  in and froze it all back up?  Just 
conjecture.
 
> We had a number of similar appearances of holes in ice 5-10 years ago  
> but none yielded any meteorites.
 
I wonder why this time period of 5 to 10 years is so short?  Why not  all the 
time?
> 
> ... but I hope I'm wrong.
 
Me too:)
 
Thanks,
 
Gary
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Gary, List,

Great effort Gary!  You have to go look if you're going to find them. : )

I've lived in lake  country here in Michigan for most of my life, grew up 
here.The county I'm in has  400+ lakes, not including ponds! I lived on a lake 
almost all of my life and and  I've been an ice fisherman virtually all that 
time. I've noticed these holes as  long as I can remember. Perhaps I'm wrong, 
but 
here's my proposed scenario for  your meteorite hole suspect. 


Pond freezes, small amount of snow  accumulates, there's a spot above the 
spring that's not freezing as fast and may  be open. Muskrats and mink may also 
use this as a spot to get air and feed,  sometimes keeping a hole open late 
into winter. This doesn't appear to be the  case though as there was not an 
abundance of vegetation on the ice, as would be  if muskrats were feeding 
there. 
Anyway, the ice thickens to several inches, it  warms up a bit, then snow 
starts 
to melt. This leaves a layer of water on top of  the ice. At the same time, 
the hole from the spring will grow a little from the  snow melt that is flowing 
into the pond through the hole. This leaves a spider  web like pattern on the 
ice. Now, just before the two feet of snow falls, the  temperature drops, 
creating a layer of ice on t

Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters ...

[FBlockland]

 
Wow! I am glad this was a friendly waning!
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/22/2007 8:08:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>  Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact  
Databasethat will 
> give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian  meteorite crater. I have been 
warned that 
> meteorite hunters will want  to turn this site upside down. If anyone 
wishes to hunt at 
> this site  please contact me and we can discuss. 
> 
> Should anyone think  about hunting without contacting me. I want you to 
understand that 
> I  have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining 
concession  rights 
> to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It  is a routine 
matter and 
> approval is expected soon. Even with  paperwork pending I still have legal 
rights here in 
> Peru. I am  serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition 
until 
>  scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. 
> 
>  Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when 
it  concerns 
> mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me,  American jails would 
be considered 
> luxury resorts compared to South  American jails. Your sustenance will 
consist of beans, 
> potatoes, and  rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might 
get 1 piece of  
> fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will  be 
your constant 
> companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop  nightmares all night every 
night. I know 
> the system and I will make  every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are 
ways to block 
> your  attempts to contact the American embassy. 
> 
> There is currently  astanding rewardforreporting to the police, any 
meteorite hunter 
> that  may wander into this area.The reward is equivalent to 6 months income 
formost  of 
> thepoor people of this area. They arenow watchful and vigilant.The  towns 
of Aplao and 
> Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and  I have many friends in 
each. All 
> relevant police agencies have been  notified by my Peruvian attorney. 
> 
> My advice, don't even  think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt 
at the crater, I 
>  am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been 
completed.  
> 
> Randall 
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale (azrou)

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> dear list's members , 
>   i have some meteorites for sale if some on is i
> nterested can contact me soon , 
>   these are my information , ;
>
>   my full name is AIT OUZROU MOHAMED 
>   MY EAMILS ARE :
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  AND
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   AND
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>   THESE ARE MY EMAILS .
>   AND THE NAME OF MY SHOP LA ROSE DE SABLE .
>   AND MY FONE NUMBER IS +21211417997 
> 
>   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone

[Jason Utas]

Hello All,
There are a few things that separate Adamana from Holbrook in my mind...
The texture of the crust alone of Adamana versus that of Holbrook leaves me
little doubt that the two could possibly be paired.
The fusion crust of Adamana is a matte black, which contrasts sharply with
the crust of recently found Holbrooks, which exhibit a typically blue/black
almost shiny crust in most cases, often liberally spread with rust spots.
The interior tells the same story - Adamana is a uniform brown, with
chondrules poking out here and there.  Recently found Holbrooks tend to be
less weathered internally, if not more externally, and their dark chondrules
contrast starkly with the lighter matrix, creating a much more heterogeneous
appearance than that of Adamana.  Adamana appears to have been weathered for
a prolonged period of time in much drier conditions than all newly found
Holbrooks that I've seen; its interior is uniformly weathered and yet the
exterior remains virtually untouched, whereas, as can be seen by Larry's
recent Holbrook find, the meteorite appears to have weathered more outside
than in, to the point of decomposition, even though the matrix appears to
have been less stained by rust.  This, however, is at least partly due to
the friability of Holbrook (Adamana does not appear to share this trait with
the Holbrook fall).  Whereas, when holding Adamana, I noticed that the
broken edges appeared to have been somewhat polished by weathering (a very
slight amount), all weathered Holbrooks that I've seen of any great size
have simply fragmented given the same amount of weathering.
The location of the find
Fifteen miles is simply impossible, unless it was artificially transported.
The mapped strewnfield was roughly one mile long by a half mile wide.  The
largest stone recovered, weighing in at ~14.5 lbs, was found at the end of
this ellipse.  The possibility that anything made it farther than this stone
is great - it wouldn't surprise me too greatly if a 20lber was found another
quarter of a mile on (it could've buried itself on impact, etc), but to say
that a smaller stone continued another fifteen miles beyond the known end of
the strewnfield is simply ridiculous, to say nothing of the fact that it is
much too far north to even be near the same path as the body that created
the Holbrook strewnfield.
My $.02,
Jason


On 2/22/07, Mike Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi
Here is an image of the cast of the "Venus Stone" from Bob's site.
http://www.meteoriteman.com/graphics/venus.jpg

He sells them for $100 each. My brother and I both picked up one at the
Tucson show this year. If I remember correctly he said those were the last
ones he had for sale. But you might email him to see if he has any more for
sale.
http://www.meteoriteman.com/misc.htm

Mike
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Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
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website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

On 2/22/07, R. N. Hartman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Alex wrote < getting
> some classification data! >>
>
> Then cut the cast instead.  :=)
>
> (He!He!)
>
> Ron
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alexander Seidel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and
> BobHaag's
> Venus Stone
>
>
> I am also the lucky owner of one of those Venus stone casts from Bob
> Haag.
> Beautiful! And you know why he called this one the "Venus stone"..?? :-)
>
>
> This is one very special nice example of a flight-oriented meteorite,
> where
> the rule applies: NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake
> of
> getting some classification data! Why? Because a cut would destroy the
> "character" of the piece!
>
> And so we don´t know what´s inside this beautiful meteorite, we can only
> make some assumptions from non-destructive observation.
>
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
>
>
>  Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: 22 Feb 2007 18:11:00 UT
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> CC:
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Larry\'s Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob
> Haag\'s
> Venus Stone
>
> > Hello Moni and List,
> >
> > Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Dave Andrews wrote to the List:
> >
> > Hi List, The Adamana or "Venus Stone" was found in the Adamana
> landfill.
> > Near the Petrified Forest/Painted Desert boundary. (about 15 miles NE
> of
> > Holbrook on I-40). Evidently someone just didn't want it anymore or
> didn't
> > know what they had. It was found by a rancher target practicing with
> his
> > 0.22 rifle. With the selling of the piece to Bob, I heard he purchased
> a
> > new mobile home to live in. I have one of the casts, and it looks very
> > real.
> > It looks so real, that I think I'll put it up on eBay with a $15,000
> > reserve.
> > (just kidding :o) Regards, Dave
> >
> >
> > I got one of these casts too many years ago and they do look real!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Bernd
> >
> > _

Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...

[JKGwilliam]

Randall,
What a charming fellow!  Why don't you bring some of your "meteorites" to 
the Tucson Show next year and let everyone take a peek.  A word of caution 
is in order though.  If you make threats similar to these you've posted 
here, don't be surprised if some of the lads invite you to a " soap and 
sock" party, with you as the guest of honor.


Boggy Creek...Emerald Meteorite...Astrobleme...and now Randall ( who might 
also be the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby)


John

At 07:44 PM 2/21/2007, Randall Gregory wrote:
Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact 
Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite 
crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this 
site upside down.  If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me 
and we can discuss.


Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to 
understand that
I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining 
concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the 
crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with 
paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious 
about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists 
have had the opportunity to study it in detail.


Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when 
it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American 
jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. 
Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a 
piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. 
You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant 
companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every 
night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your 
stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy.


There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any 
meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent 
to  6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now 
watchful and vigilant.  The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. 
Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant 
police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney.


My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt 
at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies 
have been completed.


Randall


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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Dear Gary;
I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare 
tactic would warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from 
such a crabby appleton!

His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS!
df
Gary K. Foote wrote:


A rather dark post Randall.

Gary

On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote:

 

Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will 
give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that 
meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at 
this site please contact me and we can discuss. 

Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that 
I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights 
to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and 
approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in 
Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until 
scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. 

Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns 
mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered 
luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, 
potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might get 1 piece of 
fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant 
companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know 
the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block 
your attempts to contact the American embassy. 

There is currently astanding rewardforreporting to the police, any meteorite hunter 
that may wander into this area.The reward is equivalent to 6 months income formost of 
thepoor people of this area. They arenow watchful and vigilant.The towns of Aplao and 
Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All 
relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. 

My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I 
am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. 

Randall 


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[meteorite-list] Fw: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters that may be considering...

[Jose Campos]

Mr. R. Gergory: What is this? You have sent an unecessary and uncalled for  
e-mail to the ENTIRE Meteorite List Members, with what it seems to be a veiled 
threat? Is this what you mean? Please explain us better.
That you may have full rights, etc. on that peruvian crater, one can accept it, 
and I certainly do accept it, but on a more careful reading, it  can be 
considered  that you might have gone a bit too far with some of your wording, 
although the heading calls it a "friendly warning"...
You should have realized that NOT everybody on this List is interested in, to 
quote you:  "...even think about it".  Save the peruvian details to yourself 
and to those who, once caught there,  might deserve it, but remember that it 
will be up to the Peruvian authorities to apply the law.
I wish you a good, successful  hunting on your peruvian crater.

José Campos
Portugal


- Original Message - 
From: Randall Gregory 
To: meteorite List 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:44 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning 
tohunters that may be considering...


Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database 
that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have 
been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down.  If 
anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss.

Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to 
understand that
I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining 
concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It 
is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending 
I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this 
crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study 
it in detail.

Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it 
concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails 
would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your 
sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of 
chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have 
to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee 
you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and 
I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your 
attempts to contact the American embassy.

There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite 
hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to  6 months 
income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and 
vigilant.  The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody 
and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been 
notified by my Peruvian attorney.

My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the 
crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been 
completed.

Randall



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[meteorite-list] AD - Darwin Glass

[ted brattstrom]

Aloha - 

My first AD on the list :-) 

I was near the Darwin Crater in Tasmania, Australia in January - and in the 
(legal part of the) strewn field - and managed to pick up a few pieces - I have 
5 pieces listed on eBay - starting at 99cents. If you need a sample of a 
moderately rare impactite - please bid!

This links to the first one - view sellers other idems will get you to the 
other 4 pieces.
  
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150093687420&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11items
 end Sunday evening (Monday morning in Europe)

I'll get my Darwin Crater webpage up next week, so you can have a look.

Thanks - ted   (volcanoted)
 

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters [FRIENDLY???]

[Matson, Robert]

Randall,

 

I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way, but if you don't mind my
saying

so your posts are become a bit tiresome.  Threatening meteorite hunters

with jail time if they come visit "your" completely unconfirmed crater
is

presumptuous to the point of absurdity.  --Rob

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Randall Gregory
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:45 PM
To: meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning
tohunters that may be considering...

 

Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact
Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite
crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this
site upside down.  If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact
me and we can discuss.

 

Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to
understand that

I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining
concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the
crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with
paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious
about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists
have had the opportunity to study it in detail.

 

Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially
when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me,
American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South
American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and
rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece
of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will
be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop
nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make
every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your
attempts to contact the American embassy.

 

There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any
meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is
equivalent to  6 months income for most of the poor people of this area.
They are now watchful and vigilant.  The towns of Aplao and Castillo are
small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All
relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney.

 

My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt
at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific
studies have been completed.

 

Randall

 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mica in meteorites.

[Treiman, Allan]

Hi, list - 

   I've had the great opportunity to work on a chondrite
with phlogopite - the R chondrite LAP 04840. This weirdo
has ~ 15% of amphibole, and about 1% phlogopite along with 
the usual olivine and pyroxene. 

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1309.pdf 


   Funny things are everywhere!

 Allan Treiman
 
P.S. Biotite mica includes the Mg-rich end-member phlogopite, 
   and the Fe-rich end-member annite. 

-Original Message-
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Sent:   Sun 2/25/2007 5:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Subject:Re: [meteorite-list] Mica in meteoriteswas Comet McNaught 
andSodium


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The CV3 chondrite Grosnaja contains sodium
> phlogopite, a phyllosilicate

Well if this is so, a long standing "factoid" in the
world of meteorites falls with this finding: "Mica
does not occur in meteorites".   

Seems some meteorites DO contain mica, and a mineral
species of mica that would not have been anticipated
in Bowen. The micas biotite and muscovite appear in
Bowen's reaction series while philogopite does not
(given normal availability of iron). Only in an iron
poor setting does philogopite form. In this case a
potassium substitution by sodium has also occurred.

Phlogopite (K,Mg3AlSi3O10 (F,OH)2)is the end member of
the phlogopite biotite series of mica-- usually
associated with metamorphism of marbles, igneous
intrusions such as kimberlites of diamond fame, or 
found in certain magnesium rich pegmaties-- even in
basalt.  These are not the sources one thinks of for
carbonaceous meteorites.

Elton
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[meteorite-list] Ad -Holbrook on Ebay

[Thetoprok]

Hello List,

I have an auction closing in less than an hour.  There's a nice 26.9 gram 
crusted fragment of holbrook at $7.40 a gram, about  half the normal going 
price!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Large-Crusted-Holbrook-Meteorite-Frag-26-9g_W0QQitemZ25008
5913929QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mica in meteorites....was Comet McNaught and Sodium

[Mr EMan]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The CV3 chondrite Grosnaja contains sodium
> phlogopite, a phyllosilicate

Well if this is so, a long standing "factoid" in the
world of meteorites falls with this finding: "Mica
does not occur in meteorites".   

Seems some meteorites DO contain mica, and a mineral
species of mica that would not have been anticipated
in Bowen. The micas biotite and muscovite appear in
Bowen's reaction series while philogopite does not
(given normal availability of iron). Only in an iron
poor setting does philogopite form. In this case a
potassium substitution by sodium has also occurred.

Phlogopite (K,Mg3AlSi3O10 (F,OH)2)is the end member of
the phlogopite biotite series of mica-- usually
associated with metamorphism of marbles, igneous
intrusions such as kimberlites of diamond fame, or 
found in certain magnesium rich pegmaties-- even in
basalt.  These are not the sources one thinks of for
carbonaceous meteorites.

Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] more on Info needed

[Gerald Flaherty]

"The meteor, which was glowing hot,"
What think yee now? Was the Times then, as earnest in their persuit of the 
truth of what they printed?
Jerry Flaherty
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> Ask and ye shall receive:
>
> "Little thing like a meteor fails to discourage bride"
> New York Times
> December 8 1929
> p. E1
>
> Special correspondence of the New York Times
>
> Belgrade, Nov. 20. - The heavens "blessed" a bride in unwonted
> and unwelcome form in the village of Zvezvan today.  As the wedding
> party was nearing the church a meteor fell into one of the carriages
> immediately in front of that in which the bride was seated.
>
> One of the wedding guests, a man, was killed, the woman sitting
> opposite him was badly injured and the bride fainted.  The crowd
> scattered in panic, but after a brief delay the marriage was
> duly solemnized.
>
> The meteor, which was glowing hot, measured forty centimeters in
> diameter.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite may confirm legend

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all - 

Were there any more reports on this find?

good hunting,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

--- gian paolo gallo gallo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

http://www.china.org.cn/english/30360.htm

Hola forist. ¿ Does somebody know abuot this cosmic
stone ?

Happy New Year 2007 to all.

Paolo Gallo.




 




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[meteorite-list] AD: new Enstatite Chondrite

[Christian Anger]

Hi all,

I have a new (unpaired) Enstatite Chondrite for sale.

only two partslices of this material will go to collectors, as the TKW is very 
very low.

see

ebay # 180089904616  and # 180089815914


and other meteorites at

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=austromet

Cheers,

Christian


I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc
website: www.austromet.com 

Ing. Christian Anger
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Re: [meteorite-list] 1900 era New York Times Meteor Wrong Articles

[chris aubeck]

Hi Mark,

A few years ago I spoke to descendants of the alleged witnesses in
this case. Not surprisingly, they had never heard of it.

I always check meteoritearticles.com for new items, especially the
extravagant claims. Is it still updated?

Best wishes,

Chris



> Paper: The New York Times
> City: New York City, New York
> Date: Sunday, November 14, 1897
> Page: 1 (of 24)
>
> MESSAGE PERHAPS FROM MARS.
>
> Strange Characters Found in an Aerolite Which Struck the Earth Near
> Binghamton.
>
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[meteorite-list] Rosetta Successfully Swings-By Mars

[Ron Baalke]

ESA News
http://www.esa.int

25 February 2007

Rosetta successfully swings-by Mars -- next target: Earth

At 03:57 CET [0257 UTC] today, mission controllers at ESOC, ESA's Space
Operations Centre in Germany, confirmed Rosetta's successful swingby of
Mars, a key milestone in the 7.1-thousand-million km journey of this unique
spacecraft to its target comet in 2014.

The gravitational energy of Mars helped Rosetta change direction, while the
spacecraft was decelerated with respect to the Sun by an estimated 7887
km/hour. The spacecraft is now on the correct track towards Earth -- its
next destination planet whose gravitational energy Rosetta will exploit in
November this year to gain acceleration and continue on its trek.

Presented in this article is one two-colour composite image of Mars
collected by Rosetta's Optical, Spectroscopic and Imaging system (OSIRIS)
instrument before closest approach to the planet, and before the orbiter
instruments where switched off for the spacecraft's Mars eclipse period.

The OSIRIS narrow-angle camera took this image at 19:28 CET [1828 UTC], 24
February. It shows Mars from a distance of 240 000 kms and at a resolution
of about 5 kms per pixel. The greenish regions are clouds above the Red
Planet's surface.

New images are expected to be available online after 13:00 [1200 UTC] today.

[NOTE: Images and weblinks supporting this release are available at
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMWZ5CE8YE_index_1.html ]



European Space Agency
Press Release No. 07-2007
Paris, France   25 February 2007

Rosetta comet-chaser takes a close look at planet Mars

There was considerable relief today at ESA's Space Operations Centre (ESOC)
in Darmstadt, Germany. In the early hours, spacecraft controllers, flight
dynamics experts, engineers and scientists were able to see a spacecraft
playing 'cosmic billiards'.
 
Between 03:13 and 03:40 CET [0213 - 0240 UTC], ESA's comet chaser, Rosetta,
swung-by Mars at a distance of only 250 kilometres, changed direction and
then sped away from the Red Planet on a brand new path, continuing on a
journey that will ultimately take it beyond Jupiter's orbit.

Its final destination is comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko, which it will reach
only in 2014, after travelling some 6000 million kilometres in 10 years (its
epic voyage began on 2 March 2004 with a launch by an Ariane 5 rocket).
Rosetta will next be heading for the Sun, and its journey will require two
more swing-bys around the Earth, in November this year and November 2009.

Once at its destination, Rosetta will first deposit, from a height of about
one kilometre, a small but very complex lander on the comet's nucleus. This
lander, a sort of miniature chemical laboratory packed with sophisticated
instruments, will analyse the surface and provide information on the
nucleus. The Rosetta probe will then chase the comet for one year and
observe its nucleus as it continues on its trip towards the inner Solar
System at a speed of 135,000 km per hour.

There is still a long way to go, but so far everything seems to be going
exactly according to plan. ESA's Director of Science, David Southwood,
witnessing the Mars swing-by at ESOC with scientists involved in the mission
and the operations teams, said: "Interplanetary expeditions rely on very
complex communication links. ESA's mission operations centre here in
Darmstadt is doing a great job. I and all the scientists involved in the
mission are grateful to the experts who are taking such good care of 'our
baby'. And this is only the beginning. The true excitement of targeting and
releasing the lander on the comet's nucleus is yet to come. Today we have
reached another milestone on the way to finding an answer to questions such
as whether life on Earth began with the help of comets."

During the approach to Mars, instruments onboard Rosetta -- as well as on
its lander -- were switched on at predefined times to observe the
environment and take imagery of the Red Planet. In September 2008 and July
2010, when it is deep inside the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter,
Rosetta will also observe the asteroids Stein and Lutetia close up.

For further information, please contact:

ESA Media Relations Office
Communication Department
Phone: + 33 1 5369 7155

ESA/ESOC
Communication Office
Phone: + 49 6151 90 26 96

[NOTE: Images and weblinks supporting this release are available at
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMZAOBE8YE_index_1.html ]




ESA News
http://www.esa.int

25 February 2007

Beautiful new images from Rosetta's approach to Mars

This series of beautiful images taken by Rosetta's Optical, Spectroscopic,
and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS), shows planet Mars in the
pre-close-approach phase.

The ultraviolet image above was taken on 24 February 2007 with the OSIRIS
wide-angle camera through the 'OH' colour filter, intended for th

Re: [meteorite-list] will need more AGAIN

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Sterling & All,
For me, it comes down to whether there is "substantial"
evidence or not regarding a given hammer. ONE of the criteria
I use is: is the actual meteorite available and has it been tested.
However, even this is not an absolute. I do not believe the fall of
NOGATA in 861 A.D. has been tested by a meteorite lab... however,
it is "available" (for viewing on rare occasion). There is no question
it EXISTS. 
Then there is the question of whether or not something man
made or an animal or person was struck. Two highly questionable
"hammers" are Nakhla and Monahans. The former, because Kevin
Kichinka presented evidence almost entirely ruling out the possibility,
yet Ron Baalke presented an elaborate rationale for the POSSIBILITY
that such a dog was struck. The later, was reported to strike a "basketball
court," but it turns out some kids were playing basket ball at the side
of the road when the stone hit a nearby dirt path.
I include both of these in my hammer offerings, BUT with extensive
explanations of the argument against them. I do not (yet) include either
of them in my personal collection of hammers, but am almost daily tempted
to include Nakhla, due to the outside chance of legitimacy and the "romance"
of the "Nakhla Dog." (Long may he live!)
The pint is, I do not want to take any chances in passing on as
fact, that which may well be fiction. I especially do not want to sell
any meteoritical material on the basis of such fiction.
I have long been working on a book about hammers and MAY or may
not include a section on "rumored" falls or unsubstantiated falls. It is
difficult to decide where one wants to "draw the line" in such instances.
The ol' Oz Dog, Bob Walker, wants me to include "near misses" - but,
at least to date, I will not be pursuing that - but hope he writes such a
book, himself, as that may "push me over the edge" and I will have yet
another  group of meteorites that call to me like the sirens of Ulysses.
Please send prayers for Walter Branch.
Best wishes, Michael



on 2/24/07 10:04 PM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>   Mark is certainly correct about the hoaxing propensities
> of 19th century (and early 20th century) newspapers. The
> ultimate example is that is the "Great Moon Hoax" of 1832:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax
> 
>   You will note that Mark's list is of very dramatic accounts.
> OK, the death of a wedding guest has a certain drama, but
> the death of a horse in West Virginia is not the stuff of a real
> blockbuster.
> 
>   To be sure, we need to be certain. Somebody has to go
> there, get the stone, and do all the scientific dirty work. BUT,
> that does not mean the obverse, that all unverified events are
> untrue, hoaxes, folk tales, urban legends, and the like. SOME
> are; others are not.
> 
>   When we get back to older historical records, they are most
> often just that: records, official, never made public, internal
> documents, private correspondence, and so forth. Gervase of
> Canterbury's description of a dramatic Lunar impact event
> witnessed on the evening of June 18, 1178, was recorded in
> the "day book" of the monastery and not discovered for many
> centuries; it was not sent immediately to cable TV.
> 
>   [Currently that event is on the debunking calendar:
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news118.html
> but the debunker's arguments are themselves bunk, well,
> that's not the topic here.]
> 
>   But, in Mark's wonderful collection of newspaper accounts
> of real meteorites that actually fell, one will find lots of bizarre
> "details" that sound "fake." So, if REAL falls produce partially
> unbelievable accounts, why should a reasonably sober account
> be dismissed out of hand?
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
> -
> - Original Message -
> From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
> 
> 
> Michael Blood asked:
> 
> "However, I was wondering what the NAME of this meteorite is
> "Zvezvan" is not listed in Meteorites A to Z."
> 
> Because newspaper reports are not always correct.
> 
> I wouldn't add any of these to your list either Michael.
> 
> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/meteorwrongsMT.html
> 
> Clear Skies,
> Mark
> 
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[meteorite-list] 1900 era New York Times Meteor Wrong Articles

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello listoids,

A few New York Times meteoritic articles from the same time period.

Clear Skies,
Mark


Paper: The New York Times
City: New York City, New York
Date: Sunday, November 14, 1897
Page: 1 (of 24)

MESSAGE PERHAPS FROM MARS.

Strange Characters Found in an Aerolite Which Struck the Earth Near 
Binghamton.

 BINGHAMTON, Nov. 13. - Scientists in this city are puzzling over an 
aerial visitor that dropped in this vicinity early this morning.  Prof. 
Jeremiah McDonald, who resides on Park Avenue, was returning home at an 
early hour this morning when there was a blinding flash of light and an 
object buried itself in the ground a short distance from his premises.  
Later it was dug up and found to be a mass of some foreign substance that 
had been fused by intense heat.  It was still hot, and when cooled off in 
water was broken open.  Inside was found what might have been a piece of 
metal on which were a number of curious marks that some think to be 
characters.  When opened, the stone emitted a strong sulphurous smell.
 Prof. Whitney of the High School declared it an aerolite, but different 
from anything he had ever seen.  The metal had been fused to a whitish 
substance, and is of unknown quality to the scientific men who have examined 
it.  The aerolite is now on exhibition and will be placed in the geological 
collection of the High School.  Several persons have advanced the opinion 
that this is a message from another planet, probably Mars.  The marks bear 
some resemblance to Egyptian writing, in the minds of some.  Prof. McDonald 
is among those who believe the mysterious ball was meant as a means of 
communication from another world.

(end)


Paper: The New York Times
City: New York City, New York
Date: Friday, November 17, 1899

METEORITE WRECKS DWELLING

Tears Away Part of Upper Story and Buries itself in the Ground

 Crescent, Ill. Nov. 16. - By the falling of an aerolite seven miles 
south of Crescent City the residence of John Meyers was partially wrecked 
and the neighborhood was panic-stricken.
 The meteor came from a point in the sky a little east of south and 
struck the north end of the house, tearing away at part of the upper story.  
The aerolite buried itself in the ground about three feet from the 
foundation of the house.

(end)

Paper: The New York Times
City: New York City, New York
Date: Friday, July 13, 1900
Page: 2 (of 12)

METEORITE IN MISSISSIPPI

Visitor from the Heavens Explodes and Wrecks a House.

Special to The New York Times

 NEW ORLEANS, La. July 12. - The village of Bellefontaine, in Webster 
County, Miss., thirty miles in the interior from this place, was the scene 
last night of the fall of an aerolite, or meteoric stone, which completely 
wrecked the large storehouse of Hodge & Mabry, and destroyed the stock of 
goods contained in it.
 The fall of the aerolite occurred between 9 and 10 o'clock, during a 
perfectly clear moonlight night. The destruction of the building was 
preceded by the appearance of a ball of fire passing swiftly through the 
air. It gave off during its passage enough light to greatly increase the 
light from the moon. As it came near a loud explosion was heard and a shower 
of fire burst forth from all sides of the blazing mass, having the 
appearance of hundreds of falling stars. The storehouse was wrecked 
simultaneously with the explosion.
 The explosion of the aerolite caused a report like the sound of distant 
thunder or the roll of far-away cannon. The debris of the house is being 
cleared away in search of the aerolite. It has not yet been found. Some of 
the searchers say that its velocity buried it in the ground. Others assert 
that the stone shattered into meteoric dust when the explosion occurred. 
Many cinders of a gray gritty metal appearance have been found in the 
wreckage.

(end)

Paper: The New York Times
City: New York City, New York
Date: Thursday, April 19, 1906
Page: 10

FOUND METEOR FRAGMENT

Cemetery Workman Digs Up One Buried for Twelve Years

Special to The New York Times

 RAHWAY, N.J., April 18. - John Godfray, in excavating for a monument 
today in Hazlewood Cemetery, dug up a meteor fragment weighing 25 pounds. It 
seemed to be composed of fused minerals, glass, stone and steel.  There is a 
mixture of vari-colored stones intermingled through the otherwise gray mass.
 Twelve years ago Keron Kiernan, keeper of the cemetery, while at work 
one afternoon, heard a whistle, like escaping steam, coming through the 
clouds overhead.  Then came a bright light, an odor of sulphur filled the 
air, and about fifty feet from where he stood a missile buried itself in the 
ground scorching the grass about and melting the gravel where it fell.  The 
opening showed the object to have buried twelve feet deep.  Since then it 
has gradually worked to the surface.

(end)


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[meteorite-list] Comet McNaught and Sodium

[bernd . pauli]

E.P. Grondine: "Bernd, do we have any carbonaceous chondrites with high sodium?"

=> the spectra reveal the presence of sodium in its atmosphere, something seen 
very rarely.

The CV3 chondrite Grosnaja contains sodium phlogopite, a phyllosilicate 
(Na,K)Mg3(Si3Al)O10(F,OH)2

Cheers,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Unique Observations of Comet McNaught Reveal Sprinkling Nucleus

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all, 

Sorry for all the mail; but there are days when I post
nothing...

Bernd, do we have any carbonaceous chondrites with
high sodium?

congratulations Rob,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
 

 Their images show
> spectacular jets of gas from
> the comet spiralling several thousands of kilometres
> into space, while the
> spectra reveal the presence of sodium in its
> atmosphere, something seen very
> rarely.
> 
> As well as taking images, the astronomers were able
> to investigate which
> gases were present in the comet's atmosphere [2]
> using spectroscopy. The
> usual gaseous species have been detected, such as
> cyanide, carbon, and
> ammonia, whose analysis will help the astronomers to
> determine the activity
> level of the comet and its chemical type.
> 
> But already in the first high resolution spectrum
> obtained on 29 January,
> the astronomers noted something quite unusual.
> 
> "We detected two very bright lines -- the brightest
> of the whole spectrum
> taken on this day as a matter of fact -- close to
> 589 nm and quickly
> identified them as belonging to neutral sodium
> atoms," said Emmanu Jehin
> (ESO). "Further measurements showed this sodium
> emission to be extending
> over more than 100,000 km in the tail direction and
> fading rapidly with
> time."
> 
> Such lines have only been detected in the greatest
> comets of the past
> century like C/Ikeya-Seki in 1965, C/West in 1976
> and C/Hale-Bopp in 1997,
> for which a very narrow sodium tail was even
> photographed. This straight
> neutral tail appears in addition to the dust and
> ionised gas tails when the
> comet is close to the Sun.
> 
> "Its origin lies most probably in the dissociation
> of the cometary dust
> grains," said Jehin. "In very active comets, which
> are also usually the ones
> which pass closer to the Sun, the dust grains are
> vaporised under the
> intense heat and start releasing sodium atoms which
> then react to the solar
> radiation and emit light -- at the very same
> yellow-orange wavelength of the
> lamps on our streets."
> 
> Sodium has also been observed around Mercury and the
> Moon forming a very
> tenuous atmosphere. But closer to us, at 90 km
> altitude in our atmosphere,
> there is the so-called 'sodium layer'. The origin of
> that layer is not well
> known but might be coming from the ablation of
> meteoroids that are burning
> (due to their high entry speed in the atmosphere) at
> the same altitude. As
> most shooting stars (or meteors) originate from
> comets (annual showers like
> the Eta Aquarids and Orionids originate from comet
> P/Halley, the Leonids
> come from comet P/Tempel-Tuttle, and the Perseids
> from comet
> P/Swift-Tuttle), the sodium in those dust particles
> might just be the same.
> As a kind of gift to the astronomers that layer is
> used by observatories
> like Paranal to produce with a laser an artificial
> star that allows for the
> correction of atmospheric turbulence!
> 
> Notes
> 
> [1] The team is composed of Colin Snodgrass, Emmanu
> Jehin, and Olivier
> Hainaut (ESO), Alan Fitzsimmons (Queen's University,
> Belfast, UK), and Jean
> Manfroid and Damien Hutsemers (Universitde Lie,
> Belgium). These results were
> presented in a Circular Telegram to the
> International Astronomical Union
> (IAU CBET 832).
> 
> [2] When a comet is approaching the Sun, the ices
> trapped in the small
> nucleus sublimate, sometimes in the form of very
> strong gaseous jets,
> dragging in the process a lot of dust particles into
> space and forming a
> dusty atmosphere -- called the coma -- of several
> thousands of kilometers
> around the nucleus. All those molecules and dust
> particles are then pushed
> in the direction opposite to the Sun (by the solar
> radiation pressure),
> creating the gaseous and dust tails of the comet.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Sterling - 

To state the obvisous, fire was the primary way of
cooking food and heating in those days, and accounts
of fires must be read in that light.

good hunting,
E.P. Grondine
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--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi, Michael, Jeffrey, List
> 
> Michael, as you well know, if the stone is
> not preserved, conserved, abducted by a museum,
> university, or government agency, examined by
> a geologist, mineralogist, scholar, savant,
> published,
> mentioned, noted, or abstracted, and then, in more
> scientific times, cut, sectioned, analyzed, poked in
> the noble gases and asked to cough --- it does not
> exist.
> 
> There is no "meteorite" named ZVEZVAN, no
> entries in the Catalogue, no specimens, no slices,
> no nothing. Just an article in the NYTimes and one
> dead wedding guest. Not much, unless the wedding
> guest mattered to you. Doesn't mean it didn't
> happen.
> What? Slow news day in Zvezvan?
> 
> There are innumerable historical accounts of
> "fabulous" events for which at the time there was
> no "rational" explanation that are perfectly and
> consistently what would be expected from
> a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed
> as being "without proof."
> 
> There is a well-known case of a Franciscan monk
> of Milan being killed by a meteorite striking him in
> the
> leg (17th century). This is a much disputed account
> despite a large number of witness and perfectly
> consistent
> details. It was called a "celestial stoning," the
> notion of
> meteorites being unknown at the time, and was widely
> reported and well attested, but is widely regarded
> by the
> "experts" of today as the report of the ignorant and
> the credulous.
> 
> Then, in 1985, a historian quite accidentally
> discovered
> a lengthy account written by the physician who
> attempted
> to save the monk's life (and failed). The "autopsy
> report"
> is clear: the man's thigh was punctured side-to-side
> by a
> blocky piece of heavy dark stone larger than a
> bullet; the
> wound would have been survivable except that the
> "stone"
> severed the femoral artery and the victim bled out.
> 
> Those 17th century guys just didn't realize that
> without
> a video tape of the whole thing, nobody was ever
> going to
> believe them! No guest shot on Oprah for them...
> But,
> frankly, to dismiss entirely these accounts for
> which there
> is no inherent clause for dismissal as "the report
> of the
> ignorant and the credulous" is... What's the word?
> Oh,
> yes: ignorant and credulous. But I'm just
> re-iterating in a
> minor way the discussion in Chap. 13 of Lewis book.
> Go read that, an excellent book on meteorites.
> 
> Jeffrey, if you have archival access to the NYT,
> you
> might try for March 11, 1897 (1:4) account of a
> meteorite
> whose fragments pierced walls, killed one horse,
> injured
> another, and knocked out cold a man named David
> Leisure, in New Martinsville, West Virginia,
> apparently
> an explosive air-burst. (That's all I have, and that
> may
> have been all that was in the Times.)
> 
> As for the "glowing hot" references in such
> accounts,
> that is the result of one of the great fallacies of
> human
> perception and need not invalidate an account.
> Ascribing
> heat to meteorites is akin to "seeing" lightening as
> red.
> 
> Before 1800, in the many hundreds of
> descriptions
> of lightening to be found in the literatures of
> every culture
> on the planet, lightening is described as being red
> in color.
> I accumulated 700 references to the color of
> lightening
> prior to the late 18th century and found only one
> reference
> to "blue" lightening; ALL others were red. Since the
> early
> 19th century, lightening is always described as
> "blue,
> blue-white, bluish white." Why? Better eyesight
> nowadays?
> 
> No. Before 1800, everyone "knew" lightening was
> "fire"
> from heaven, and "fire" is red. Now, everyone
> "knows"
> that lightening is electrical, a gigantic
> atmospheric spark,
> and "electricity" is "blue" (or blue-white). Any
> (and every)
> fool knows that. Human beings DO NOT SEE what's in
> front of them; they DO SEE what they "know" to be
> true.
> They "know" meteorites are fiery objects, so they're
> "hot."
> Reality has nothing to do with it.
> 
> A great many genuine in-the-book historical
> falls come
> with witness descriptions of "hot rocks." Whether
> there
> are ever any real "hot rocks" is impossible to
> determine
> because they're going to be reported as hot whether
> they
> were or not.
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
>
-
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jeffrey Shallit"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite
> List" 
> ;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
> 
> 
> Hi Jeffrey

Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more AGAIN

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Sterling - 

Thanks much for the link.  The Rev. Dick's work was
probably the ultimate source for the face on mars
stuff we see today. Incorporated into American
spiritualist movements, Dick's nonsense lives on to
today.

My favorite hoax was a trans-Atlantic balloon crossing
fabricated by Edgar Allen Poe to avenge himself on an
editor who had stiffed him.

good hunting,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas 

--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Mark is certainly correct about the hoaxing
> propensities
> of 19th century (and early 20th century) newspapers.
> The
> ultimate example is that is the "Great Moon Hoax" of
> 1832:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax
> 
> You will note that Mark's list is of very
> dramatic accounts.
> OK, the death of a wedding guest has a certain
> drama, but
> the death of a horse in West Virginia is not the
> stuff of a real
> blockbuster.
> 
> To be sure, we need to be certain. Somebody has
> to go
> there, get the stone, and do all the scientific
> dirty work. BUT,
> that does not mean the obverse, that all unverified
> events are
> untrue, hoaxes, folk tales, urban legends, and the
> like. SOME
> are; others are not.
> 
> When we get back to older historical records,
> they are most
> often just that: records, official, never made
> public, internal
> documents, private correspondence, and so forth.
> Gervase of 
> Canterbury's description of a dramatic Lunar impact
> event 
> witnessed on the evening of June 18, 1178, was
> recorded in 
> the "day book" of the monastery and not discovered
> for many
> centuries; it was not sent immediately to cable TV.
> 
> [Currently that event is on the debunking
> calendar:
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news118.html
> but the debunker's arguments are themselves bunk,
> well,
> that's not the topic here.] 
> 
> But, in Mark's wonderful collection of newspaper
> accounts 
> of real meteorites that actually fell, one will find
> lots of bizarre 
> "details" that sound "fake." So, if REAL falls
> produce partially 
> unbelievable accounts, why should a reasonably sober
> account 
> be dismissed out of hand?
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
>
-
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
> 
> 
> Michael Blood asked:
> 
> "However, I was wondering what the NAME of this
> meteorite is
> "Zvezvan" is not listed in Meteorites A to Z."
> 
> Because newspaper reports are not always correct.
> 
> I wouldn't add any of these to your list either
> Michael.
> 
> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/meteorwrongsMT.html
> 
> Clear Skies,
> Mark
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Mark, Ken, all - 

The problem as I see it is that if the exposure of
these frauds is not given with them, then people will
continue to be swindled by them.  The original writers
made money with these frauds the first time around,
and there are still writers today who are interested
in making money.

good hunting,
EP




--- ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark has done an excellent job in researching and
> publishing these 
> fabricated accounts to the List.
> Here are a few of the more memorable ones:
> 
> February 22, 1934   -US-Meteor Crushes Spanish
> Home
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/02221934.htm
> 
> December 22, 1928   -US-Meteor Fall Kills Woman
> & Baby
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/12221928.htm
> 
> July 29, 1925   -US-Meteors fall in Neb and SD
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/7291925.htm
> 
> September 12, 1922   -US-Meteor Discharges Gas
> In Its Flight
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/9121922.htm
> 
> January 17, 1916   -US-Meteor Explodes Before
> Bank and Church
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/01171916.html
> 
> December 14, 1915  Large Meteorite Kills Three
> Dogs -Alaska-
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/12141915.htm
> 
> November 21, 1914   -US-Falling Meteor Digs Up
> Tunips
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11211914.htm
> 
> August 31, 1913   -Spain-Aerolite Wrecks Village
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/8311913.htm
> 
> January 26, 1907   -US-Meteor Exploded Near
> Powder Car
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/01261907.htm
> 
> April 19, 1906   -US-Found Meteor Fragment
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/04191906.htm
> 
> September 10, 1904  -US-Meteor Explodes on Farm
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/9101904.htm
> 
> November 17, 1899  -US-Meteorite Wrecks Dwelling
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11171899.htm
> 
> July 14, 1896   -Mexico-Meteorite Kills
> Children, Brings Rain
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/7141896.htm
> 
> May 8, 1895   -Newfoundland-Hit By A Meteor
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/581895.htm
> 
> December 03, 1892   -US-Part of a Comet?
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11031892.htm
> 
> February 09, 1891  -Hungary-The Work of an
> Aerolite
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/2091891.htm
> 
> March 14, 1890   -US-Meteorite Fall Cooks Fish
> Dinner
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/03141890.htm
> 
> June 13, 1887   -US-An Immense Meteor
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/6131887.htm
> 
> July 21, 1886  -US-A Meteoric Stone Takes A Trip
> To Wisconsin
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/7211886.htm
> 
> January 19, 1879   -US-The Murderous Meteorite
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/mm.html
> 
> November 14, 1817  -France-Paris Fall
> http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11141817.htm
> 
> Best,
> Ken Newton
> 
> 
> 
> MARK BOSTICK wrote:
> 
> >Michael Blood asked:
> >
> >"However, I was wondering what the NAME of this
> meteorite is
> >"Zvezvan" is not listed in Meteorites A to Z."
> >
> >Because newspaper reports are not always correct.
> >
> >I wouldn't add any of these to your list either
> Michael.
> >
>
>http://www.meteoritearticles.com/meteorwrongsMT.html
> >
> >Clear Skies,
> >Mark
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[meteorite-list] Zacatecas (1969)

[bernd . pauli]

BUCHWALD, V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp.1367-1369, 
excerpts:

Zacatecas (1969), Zacatecas, Mexico
Approximately 22° 48'N, 102° 33W
Medium octahedrite, Om
Bandwidth 0.70±0.10 mm
Recrystallized
Group IIIAB
9.0% Ni, about 0.5% P, 20.3 ppm Ga, 38.8 ppm Ge, 0.029 ppm Ir.

History

A mass of 6.66 kg was purchased by Richard E. Dalsin of Minneapolis, Minnesota, 
from a
Mexican in the city of Zacatecas in February 1969. Mr. Dalsin reported that 
"the Mexican
told him he had found it in the area," but more could not be learned. The 
complete specimen
was donated to the Smithsonian Institution in December 1969.

Description

The mass has the shape of a low triangular pyramid with a height of 7 cm and a 
base of
15 x 16 cm. The base is a fracture surface that is rather flat, partially 
following one set
of Widmanstätten planes and partially some of the large schreibersite 
inclusions. The mass
is evidently a corner piece of a much larger main mass which has either not 
been found yet
or has not been reported. As will be seen from the structural discussion below, 
the mass
cannot be a fragment of any of the recorded Mexican meteorites.
The surface is weathered and covered with 0.1-1 mm terrestrial oxides. 
Regmaglypts, 3-5 cm
across and up to 1 cm deep, are present however; even a little, weathered 
fusion crust may be
identified in the bottom of some of the regmaglypts. The size of the 
regmaglypts, suggests
that the unknown main mass is 30-50 cm in diameter. The fragment is severely 
hammered over an
area of several square centimeters, but there are no indications of an 
artificial reheating. There
are distinct marks indicating work with hammer and chisel, so it cannot be 
ignored that the frag-
ment might have been broken from the main mass by the finders. It appears that 
the finders have
widened a deep, preexisting crack and after some efforts finally detached the 
6.7 kg fragment.

The fracture surface that presently terminates the specimen may have been 
initiated in the remote
preatmospheric shock event but was probably first fully opened after the main 
mass arrived on the
Earth. Many similar cases of irons with deep, but incomplete, fissures are 
known, e.g., Navajo,
Bacubirito, Lazarev and some Sikhote-Alin specimens.

It shall be interesting to see the main mass of Zacatecas (1969).

Although it bears some resemblance to Apoala, Chupaderos and other Mexican 
irons,
Zacatecas (1969) is unique in its secondary structure and may, with confidence, 
be said
to be different from these falls.

Specimen in the U.S. National Museum in Washington:

6.66 kg endpiece of unknown main mass (no. 5291, 16 x 15 x 7 cm)

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[meteorite-list] zacataces update

[steve arnold]

The piece of ZACATACES i have is from zacataces
(1969).This slice comes from the meteorite that was
used for an anvil for many years.There is a unnatural
hole that goes right thru.It is quite neat.Thanks to
bernd for the update on the 2 different types of zaca
pieces.Soon better pics will show up.



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[meteorite-list] Collection Pages Updated

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hi all,

If anyone is interested, I've just reorganised my collection photos so that
they are sorted into their respective classifications. The chondrites are
also in raising petrological grade so you can see the differences.

http://www.meteorites.com.au/collection/

Cheers,

Jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more AGAIN

[Pete Pete]

One horse had its head crushed and nearly

torn from the trunk by a fragment of the meteor, and another horse in
the next stall was discovered to be stone deaf.


stone deaf.


Intentional pun?

Cheers,
Pete



From: Jeffrey Shallit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more AGAIN
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:17:09 -0500 (EST)

Here's the article you requested:

New York Times, March 11 1897, p. 1

EXPLOSION OF A METEOR

---

One Man Rendered Unconscious and the Head of a Horse Crushed

Parkersburg, West Va., March 10. -

A meteor burst over the town of New Martinsville yesterday.  The noise
of the explosion resembled the shock of a heavy artillery salute, and
was heard for twenty miles.  The cylindrical shaped ball of fire was
forging along in a southwesterly direction when first discovered.  The
hissing sound of the fire could be heard for miles, and the smoke gave
the meteor the appearance of a burning balloon.

When the meteor exploded the pieces flew in all directions, like a
volcanic upheaval, and solid walls were pierced by the fragments.
David Leisure was knocked down by the force of the air caused by the
rapidity with which the body passed, before it broke.  The blow
rendered him unconscious.  One horse had its head crushed and nearly
torn from the trunk by a fragment of the meteor, and another horse in
the next stall was discovered to be stone deaf.

The coming of the meteor was heralded by a rumbling noise, followed in
an instant by the hissing sound, and immediately the ball of fire,
spitting and smoking, burst into full view, and before the people had
time to collect their senses, the explosion occurred.


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Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more AGAIN

[Jeffrey Shallit]

Here's the article you requested:

New York Times, March 11 1897, p. 1

EXPLOSION OF A METEOR

---

One Man Rendered Unconscious and the Head of a Horse Crushed

Parkersburg, West Va., March 10. -

A meteor burst over the town of New Martinsville yesterday.  The noise
of the explosion resembled the shock of a heavy artillery salute, and
was heard for twenty miles.  The cylindrical shaped ball of fire was
forging along in a southwesterly direction when first discovered.  The
hissing sound of the fire could be heard for miles, and the smoke gave
the meteor the appearance of a burning balloon.

When the meteor exploded the pieces flew in all directions, like a
volcanic upheaval, and solid walls were pierced by the fragments.
David Leisure was knocked down by the force of the air caused by the
rapidity with which the body passed, before it broke.  The blow
rendered him unconscious.  One horse had its head crushed and nearly
torn from the trunk by a fragment of the meteor, and another horse in
the next stall was discovered to be stone deaf.

The coming of the meteor was heralded by a rumbling noise, followed in
an instant by the hissing sound, and immediately the ball of fire,
spitting and smoking, burst into full view, and before the people had
time to collect their senses, the explosion occurred.


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Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more

[ken newton]

Mark has done an excellent job in researching and publishing these 
fabricated accounts to the List.
Here are a few of the more memorable ones:

February 22, 1934   -US-Meteor Crushes Spanish Home
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/02221934.htm

December 22, 1928   -US-Meteor Fall Kills Woman & Baby
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/12221928.htm

July 29, 1925   -US-Meteors fall in Neb and SD
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/7291925.htm

September 12, 1922   -US-Meteor Discharges Gas In Its Flight
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/9121922.htm

January 17, 1916   -US-Meteor Explodes Before Bank and Church
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/01171916.html

December 14, 1915  Large Meteorite Kills Three Dogs -Alaska-
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/12141915.htm

November 21, 1914   -US-Falling Meteor Digs Up Tunips
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11211914.htm

August 31, 1913   -Spain-Aerolite Wrecks Village
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/8311913.htm

January 26, 1907   -US-Meteor Exploded Near Powder Car
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/01261907.htm

April 19, 1906   -US-Found Meteor Fragment
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/04191906.htm

September 10, 1904  -US-Meteor Explodes on Farm
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/9101904.htm

November 17, 1899  -US-Meteorite Wrecks Dwelling
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11171899.htm

July 14, 1896   -Mexico-Meteorite Kills Children, Brings Rain
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/7141896.htm

May 8, 1895   -Newfoundland-Hit By A Meteor
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/581895.htm

December 03, 1892   -US-Part of a Comet?
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11031892.htm

February 09, 1891  -Hungary-The Work of an Aerolite
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/2091891.htm

March 14, 1890   -US-Meteorite Fall Cooks Fish Dinner
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/03141890.htm

June 13, 1887   -US-An Immense Meteor
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/6131887.htm

July 21, 1886  -US-A Meteoric Stone Takes A Trip To Wisconsin
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/7211886.htm

January 19, 1879   -US-The Murderous Meteorite
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/mm.html

November 14, 1817  -France-Paris Fall
http://home.earthlink.net/~mwnews/11141817.htm

Best,
Ken Newton



MARK BOSTICK wrote:

>Michael Blood asked:
>
>"However, I was wondering what the NAME of this meteorite is
>"Zvezvan" is not listed in Meteorites A to Z."
>
>Because newspaper reports are not always correct.
>
>I wouldn't add any of these to your list either Michael.
>
>http://www.meteoritearticles.com/meteorwrongsMT.html
>
>Clear Skies,
>Mark
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - Sunday, February 25, 2007

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Rocks From Space Picture of the  Day:
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[meteorite-list] Posting personal email

[Bill]

Hi all, 

I thought including personal email of others in a post was a major taboo. Is it 
really happening without discretion or is that just my failure to stay on my 
meds? 

Bill 
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[meteorite-list] Re-2: zacataces

[bernd . pauli]

Steve wrote: "ZACATACES.Let me know what you think"
Bruce: "I think you misspelled it."

..and the photo should be replaced as soon as possible by a photo
that allows us to recognize which ZACATECAS you are proud to call
your own. There are two of them:

1. Zacatecas (1792), IRANOM, TKW ca. 1,000 kg
2. Zacatecas (1969), IIIAB, TKW ca. 6.66 kg (of unknown provenance)

Best Sunday
morning wishes,

Bernd

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