[meteorite-list] vote for meteorite representative 2007: URGENT
Dear List, Here I am receiving a message from Professor Albert Jambon (Paris university, world expert in studying end determining planetary meteorites). Albert has an excellent suggestion: to vote for one of our eminent colleagues, Professor Hasnaa Chennaoui, for the Khmissa Trophy, a renown Moroccan price awarding a woman who had proven particular merits in her domain (Art, Culture, Sport, Social Development...and RD in Science). The 25 selected nominees (see web site below) did conduct a brillant career in their specific domain with significant achievements performed on a sober but efficient basis. You all might well know Hasnaa, as meteorite expert. She is Professor in Geochemistry in Hassan II university of Casablanca, member of the locall Executive Committee Scientific Woman in Morocco. On an international basis, not only member of the Meteoritical Society but also member of the Nom. Com. ! She was the main organizer of the Casablanca Workshop Meteorites from Hot Deserts (August 2006), that was the actual pre-conference of the Zürich-2006 Met. Soc. Meeting. Hasnaa has many scientific publications, international communications and invited lectures related to meteorites. In particular, you might know that she was the one who collected, studied, determined and classified the famous BENGUERIR fall. We had the pleasure to invite her as special guest during the 2005 Ensisheim show, where she presented her scientific results on Benguerir in two original posters (you might be able to still find the corresponding pics on the site of Peter Marmet, and probably others). She was then rewarded by becoming and enthroned member of the Ensisheim meteorite Guardians. Albert and myseld believe it could be particularly important for all of us, meteorite experts, scientists, collectors or simple afficionados to have a competent and reliable representative officially honored in Morocco, an unavoidable and pioneering country in terms of preserving and valorizing the meteorite heritage in Sahara and other world hot deserts. WARNING: Vote deadline: MARCH 9 !!! this is TOMORROW!! So please VOTE RIGHT NOW It will take you 5 SECONDS! How to vote ? Click to: the web site: www.khmissa.org You will see the nominee names on the upper right hand side column. Click on the space (division) next to the name Hasnaa Chennaoui. Then click on VALIDER That's all! 5 seconds We are 600 or so on the list. A SMALL CLICK FOR YOU , AN IMPORTANT CONSEQUENCE FOR HASNAA AND THE METEORITE COMMUNITY ! Thank you so very much on her behalf! Best day, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
And, does it have any Hemorrhoidite in it? I wonder if he has piles of them? Message: 11 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go To: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I didn't hink of Uranus until mentioned here, which is unusual. Mind you, i didn't get the joke until I was 17 and I remember the stick I got as a result. I was thinking of phrases like I hope it doesn't end up getting SHATtered This is a new definition for RE-ENTRY and kak-handed approach to meteorite study etc I've got 6 more but they get more obscure.. Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Advertisement: Amazing holiday rentals? http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dhol%26cu%3DMSN_t=758874163_r=HM_Txt_Link_Holiday_Oct06_m=EXT __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending tonght
Good Morning Meteorite Lovers I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com. Most started at 99 Cents!!! Seven Different Planetary, Full slice of Taza, Beautiful complete Amgala, Big Gibeon Sphere and Big Gibeon Individual, Oriented Sikhote-alin BUTTON and more goodies can be found at the following links: http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=catchafallingstar.com Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm Thanks for looking everybody!!! Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
From them? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) I wonder if he has piles of them? Message: 11 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go To: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I didn't hink of Uranus until mentioned here, which is unusual. Mind you, i didn't get the joke until I was 17 and I remember the stick I got as a result. I was thinking of phrases like I hope it doesn't end up getting SHATtered This is a new definition for RE-ENTRY and kak-handed approach to meteorite study etc I've got 6 more but they get more obscure.. Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go....
The best has to be ... wait for it ...'Shitcoated-Alin' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Forbes Sent: 08 March 2007 07:49 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go Aaaahh, ha ha ha haaa, If fossilised pooh is called coprolite, what do you call meteorite pooh, or pooh that falls from the sky? I know, sh*tty subject. And to think that once upon a time, trains and planes used to just dump it all in transit. I remember the signage, 'Passengers, do not use toilet at stations.' SPLAT 'Oh, crap.' Fox news is just now reporting that a certain foreign national was arrested at LAX airport with wires hanging off of him. Upon further investigation, they found a piece of chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his XXX. As the suspect put it- the rock is from another planet and was in there to protect him OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-) -what will be the official name of the location found? -what lab will(want?)do an analysis on it? -how long until it winds up on eBay? -will it replace the current urgent need for Gao pieces? I needed a grin tonight- this was it. Take care Mike ___ _ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Ea u_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - March 8, 2007
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/March_8.html BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] could it be?
Phil, I hate to say this, but it looks like a furnace clinker to me... Here's a pic of an EL3 slice under a scope. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/el3-microscope1.jpg Gary Hello everyone, I found something that could be interesting in a batch of NWAs. I thought it might be an EL3 since I'm pretty sure there were a couple of those as well, but ground down and edge and I don't think so... I know we can only speculate based on photos but it's got to be at least as fun as speculating about flat pieces of iron flying through windows ;-) So, think it's meteoritic? http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/wha t.jpg Here is the whole thing. It's not very big, should I pursue it? http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3macro.jp g And here is what those shiny areas look like up close: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3a.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3b.jpg Regards, Phil __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: What a sleezy character you are.
Hi eveyone, I have just emerged from a near 3 week meteorite hunting expedition, and checking my email, recieved this from our highly edumacated friend in Peru. Just by reading this, you can all see the civility and manners which ooze from this man. Michael Farmer --- Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What a sleezy character you are. To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Farmer, Out of curiousity I did a little checking. Dropped out of college to pursue meteorite hunting? Greed won out over education. How pathetic. I see you found your little niche, being the first one to pounce on a new find. Your greed just pours out of these articles. How much of the park forest did you keep for yourself after telling the police you needed to cut it. Well... Fatboy, I guess my post was directed straight to you. My little net caught a big fat fish. I'm making copies of your little pig-face picture and will send them to my friends in Aplao along with a increase in reward. And in the future, you just might find me one step ahead at new falls, especially in South America. Randall It's a cutthroat business, Farmer says, where there is a huge demand for a very small amount of material Breaking into the business was difficult, Farmer recalls, but he earned the respect of established dealers by being first on the scene of three high-profile meteorite falls The first two trips didn't pay off immediately, but they earned him the reputation of being a go-getter. A football-size meteorite fell on Monahans, Texas in March 1998. Within 30 hours, Farmer was on the scene, but it was already too late. There was already a fight between the finders and the city over who rightfully owned the rock, a meteorite broker was already involved and NASA was trying to get the rock. Shortly after Farmer got to Monahans, a NASA researcher arrived to bargain with the town to take the rock for study at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. Farmer left with nothing. Three months later a mess of meteorites from a rock that exploded in the air fell near Portales Valley, New Mexico, not far from the Texas panhandle. Farmer again went straight to the desert region where people had seen the fall, and he was just in time to see an amateur collector find an 11-pound (5-kilogram) chunk of the rock. Farmer tried to buy it, but the finder wouldn't sell. Farmer found a few small pieces, but nothing major. In April 1999, Farmer heard about a new fall in Ourique, Portugal. Without a second thought, he bought a ticket to Lisbon and jumped on a plane with $10,000 cash. I heard about it in a little note on the Internet. And I took the risk and just flew over there, Farmer explained. He rented a car and drove to the small village in southwest Portugal, and within hours he had cornered the world market on the prized new meteorite It had just never made the news, Farmer said, until this little thing came on the Internet about it being classified. Scientists at the university had classified the meteorite -- determined its composition, its type and given it a name. They posted and announcement on the Internet, where Farmer saw it. He was in Portugal the day after reading the very first public mention of the meteorite. Farmer went into the town tavern, set up his scales on the bar, and spread the word that he would pay for pieces of meteorite The investment paid off, though. Having the entire world market of a brand new fall, Farmer had no trouble unloading the material. It became a rock that everybody had to have. From museums to private collectors, everyone wanted a piece. He traded some pieces with museums for other rare meteorite types, and sold the rest through his website at $10 a gram. He called me up a couple days before Christmas and needed money, Farmer said, I told him I'd be there the next day with cash. I got it -- for a much lower price than I offered originally. He was in Uruguay in January arranging a big purchase. He sped to Canada in March when he heard that pieces of a meteorite that exploded in the sky above the Yukon Territory had been found on the ground. He had no luck because the finder was determined to keep the location a secret, but others in the meteorite community applaud his efforts. ) I hunt for meteorites all over the world. My meteorite hunting trips include Australia, Chile, Bolivia, Canada, all over the USA, Oman, Burkina Faso, Lesotho, Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Western Sahara, India and Mexico. I have found several hundred Oman meteorites, including a LUNAR! I have also found pieces of these famous meteorites, Portales Valley, Mundrabilla, Canyon Diablo, Holbrook, Gold basin, al Mahbas, Imilac, Monturaqui, Park Forest, and many others I really want a
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters
Bill, are you really that stupid? I did not threaten his life I made a ridiculous post to counter his rude and ridiculous post saying that he would have any of us who threatened his crater trown in jail and tortured. Learn about sarcasm, it will make your life much easier. Michael Farmer Sorry about the late reply, but I have had no email access in more than two weeks. --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sonic Boom in South Carolina?
http://www.wcbd.com/midatlantic/cbd/news.apx.-content-articles-CBD-2007-03-08-0014.html NEIC: No Earthquake News 2 Today (Charleston, South Carolina) March 8, 2007 The News 2 Newsroom has been flooded with calls about the mystery rumble observed this morning. According to the National Earthquake Information Center, there is nothing to indicate there was an earthquake in the Charleston area today. It doesn't rule out the possibility that it was a smaller quake, but it was most likely a sonic boom. However, the Charleston air traffic controller we spoke to said, there was nothing in the pattern at that time, that is capable of producing a sonic boom. There are no reports of damage. Tune in to News 2 at noon, 5, and 6 for the latest. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Mexico Declares Pluto a Planet - Pluto Planet Day Set For March 13
http://legis.state.nm.us/Sessions/07%20Regular/memorials/house/HJM054.html HOUSE JOINT MEMORIAL 54 48th legislature - STATE OF NEW MEXICO - first session, 2007 INTRODUCED BY Joni Marie Gutierrez A JOINT MEMORIAL DECLARING PLUTO A PLANET AND DECLARING MARCH 13, 2007, PLUTO PLANET DAY AT THE LEGISLATURE. WHEREAS, the state of New Mexico is a global center for astronomy, astrophysics and planetary science; and WHEREAS, New Mexico is home to world class astronomical observing facilities, such as the Apache Point observatory, the very large array, the Magdalena Ridge observatory and the national solar observatory; and WHEREAS, Apache Point observatory, operated by New Mexico state university, houses the astrophysical research consortium's three-and-one-half meter telescope, as well as the unique two-and-one-half meter diameter Sloan digital sky survey telescope; and WHEREAS, New Mexico state university has the state's only independent, doctorate-granting astronomy department; and WHEREAS, New Mexico state university and Dona Ana county were the longtime home of Clyde Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto; and WHEREAS, Pluto has been recognized as a planet for seventy-five years; and WHEREAS, Pluto's average orbit is three billion six hundred ninety-five million nine hundred fifty thousand miles from the sun, and its diameter is approximately one thousand four hundred twenty-one miles; and WHEREAS, Pluto has three moons known as Charon, Nix and Hydra; and WHEREAS, a spacecraft called new horizons was launched in January 2006 to explore Pluto in the year 2015; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO that, as Pluto passes overhead through New Mexico's excellent night skies, it be declared a planet and that March 13, 2007 be declared Pluto Planet Day at the legislature. - 2 - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Mexico Declares Pluto a Planet - Pluto Planet Day Set For March 13
Yeah? Well, I declare New Mexico a cheese sandwitch! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh boy - Here we go...
Hi Darren List Could this be a new type of silicate darkening? Man with object, wires, etc. to security: AW COME ON! You guys are just jerking my chain, right? On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:41:56 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Upon further investigation, they found a piece of chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his XXX. As the suspect put it- the rock is from another planet and was in there to protect him OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-) The first meteorite from Uranus. ___ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh boy - Here we go...
Listoids, Gives new meaning to 'meteoric entry'. Gary Upon further investigation, they found a piece of chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his XXX. As the suspect put it- the rock is from another planet and was in there to protect him OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-) The first meteorite from Uranus. ___ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (Fwd) Re: Oh boy - Here we go...
I'll forward it for you Ed. Gary --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: edward moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [meteorite-list] Oh boy - Here we go... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keywords: Gary here is my 2 cents worth, but I cant seem to get it posted to the list? Hi It gets very confusing with all of the different NWA's, pairing etc Now do we have a new subclass of NWA's?? Non Western Anus Ed Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listoids, Gives new meaning to 'meteoric entry'. Gary Upon further investigation, they found a piece of chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his XXX. As the suspect put it- the rock is from another planet and was in there to protect him OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-) The first meteorite from Uranus. ___ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. --- End of forwarded message --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My Wedding Day Anniversary Meteorite Fall: Jilin
Happy Birthday, Jilin! Jilin, H5; S3 Fell 1976, March 08 Time: 15:00 hrs 11 masses individually recorded Several explosions during flight Three distinct fireballs E-W strewnfield AKA: Kirin Mass: About 4 metric tons Largest individual 1770 kg excavated at a depth of ca. 6 meters. Best wishes, Bernd Bernd Pauli Meteorite Collection: - 35.8-gram slice with abundant FeNi and troilite + shock veins - thin section: barred olivine chondrule shows thick outer igneous rim and thinner inner rim with skeletal olivine set in black glass __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] accidental delete/lost
If anyone has a copy of the original e-mail detailing the New Lunar meteorite that looks like a shergottite, I'd appreciate it being forwarded to me. My filing system must have gone awry. I suffer many abberations but find it difficult to believe I deleted a mail I found so interesting. I can't even remember the thread so haven't found it in the archives either. Apologies and thanks in anticipation. Rob McC Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hello everyone AD new offerings on my website / Sale
Hello everyone we have been updating some aspects of my website including the sales page, and ordering information. These are some of the recent additions, Gibeon, Henbury large thin etched slices. Some very large Brenham siderite slices and some very rare etched end cuts of the Glorieta Mountain siderite. There will be more to follow in a couple weeks or so. I would also like to take this opportunity to let you all know that I do offer a layaway plan if you would like to pay for a piece over several payments instead of all at once, just let me know and we can set up a plan. Here is a link to my site http://www.meteoritefinder.com/sale.htm Thanks -- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035 www.meteoritefinder.com 530-384-1598 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite GoesThroughWindowinIllinois
Well shoot, Doug, it sounds like you've got more time than I to analyze this thing. I do have a modeling tool that calculates the vertical deviation for spherical objects falling in wind, but I haven't tried to apply it here. I don't know how accurate it would be given that this object is far from spherical. I use this tool to estimate strewn field locations following high altitude fragmentations. Just to clarify a point of apparent confusion: I was proposing two completely different mechanisms that could impart a degree of horizontal motion to a falling object. One is largely non-aerodynamic (except in a trivial sense), and involves the object reaching a horizontal zero airspeed (which in a wind means there is a non-zero ground speed). The second is purely aerodynamic, and involves what happens when the object is oriented and possibly tumbling. The first situation isn't too difficult to analyze (we've both touched on parts of that); the second is pretty much impossible to deal with. The test case I alluded to was something I tried at the Roan Cliffs in western Colorado, above Rifle (famous for a meteoritic non-crater that the locals like to show off). There's an interesting spot up top where winds are diverted upward. If you throw a stick over, it drops down and then gets picked up, and can be carried many feet above the cliff top. There's even a waterfall there that goes up when it reaches the edge, and the water just evaporates overhead. But if you drop a flat rock, like the sort you'd skim on a lake, it drops down, and will tumble violently. It may literally look like a leaf falling, and can veer out 10 feet or more, or back into the side of the cliff hard enough to hear when it's hundreds of feet down. A spherical rock just drops straight. I tried this with dozens of different rocks. There's no doubt at all in my mind that something shaped like the Illinois object, traveling at ~50 m/s, could execute some pretty impressive aerial maneuvers. BTW, I'm not particularly arguing that this thing did fall, only considering that it seems plausible. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite GoesThroughWindowinIllinois Chris wrote: In a steady 18 mph wind [which would give the metal a fall angle of 20 degrees], that equates to a horizontal ground speed of 18 mph. The heavier the object, the longer it will take to reach that zero airspeed. So if this thing was falling vertically, and then experienced a brief gust, it would hardly be affected. On the other hand, if fell a mile in that wind, I'd expect its ground speed to be close to the wind speed: it wouldn't be falling vertically. This has little to do with aerodynamics. OK Chris, I think I understand your assumptions and note your departure from reliance on aerodynamics which it originally sounded like you were depending upon for your assumptions. Now we are in the upstream/downstream textbook canoe problem. Whether you originally depended on aerodynamics is debatable though while my intuition had a problem with that, I think that is a harder argument for me to critique. Just one comment and I will put some 'hard' numbers to this which I invite you to pick apart if you can (or if not, perhaps use them for your own thoughts). It is also why there can be no apparent relationship between the orientation of a strewn field and the path of the meteor that produced it. I think this is as poor an example as it is an interesting meteorite aside. But I agree that the physics of the wind are at work for this case. My objection: You are comparing the integrated effect of all winds in all directions at all altitudes (for a significant distance) with local atmospheric effects of a relatively unidirectional ''steady wind'. Now for the numbers I promised: This meteorthing has the following characteristics assuming it really is in free fall as you believe (compared to the 60 mph suggested somewhere else, that did not specify it was vt though that had to be the professor's assumption): Let me make a meteorthing terminal speed table showing how long it takes to fall a mile: Shield orientation:38 m/s (86mph)42 sec Average orientation47 m/s (105mph)34 sec Edge first orientation:55 m/s (124mph)29 sec note: terminal speed is bound by 38 vt 55 m/s (86 vt 124 mph) You mentioned: On the other hand, if fell a mile in that wind, I'd expect its ground speed to be close to the wind speed: it wouldn't be falling vertically. How long is a gust? Better yet, let's put some momentum 'flux' constraints that the air imparts on the 'iron' given your 18 mph
[meteorite-list] update to my web site sale//ad//
Hello everyone we have been updating some aspects of my website including the sales page, and ordering information. These are some of the recent additions, Gibeon, Henbury large thin etched slices. Some very large Brenham siderite slices and some very rare etched end cuts of the Glorieta Mountain siderite. There will be more to follow in a couple weeks or so. I would also like to take this opportunity to let you all know that I do offer a layaway plan if you would like to pay for a piece over several payments instead of all at once, just let me know and we can set up a plan. Here is a link to my site http://www.meteoritefinder.com/sale.htm Thanks -- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035 www.meteoritefinder.com 530-384-1598 -- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035 www.meteoritefinder.com 530-384-1598 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite GoesThroughWindowinIllinois
Hi Chris, The basic problem here, after all the numbers I punched into my calculator, is that you believed the newspaper that the free falling velocity was only 60 mph, which gave rise to your 18 mph wind suggestion (I think). That (60 mph) case actually correlates more closely with the hand thrown object. The falling meteorthing would have a free fall velocity of 124 mph (in my opinion) based on the evidence it came in like a four point Ninja Throwing Star complete with rotational motion (and have no need for the aerodynamic scenario, thank goodness), and caused damage using the same principles of mechanics that those light and deadly weapons do. (I assumed only 105 mph as an average of the extremes). On the non-violent and friendly side of things, I really hope sometime to experience the Colorado Cliff phenomenon you mentioned - now it is right up there with magnetic hill in New Brunswick. Thanks again. Thanks for the kind comments and clarification that you had proposed two separate mechanisms. I made the time to analyze it against my better judgment and am now paying for it. So no more, except to mention in an important footnote that my attempted example of fishing for meteorites was a crappy example and did not properly correlate with my carefully thought out arguments. Best wishes, Doug MSI Mexico;-) Chris wrote: Well shoot, Doug, it sounds like you've got more time than I to analyze this thing. I do have a modeling tool that calculates the vertical deviation for spherical objects falling in wind, but I haven't tried to apply it here. I don't know how accurate it would be given that this object is far from spherical. I use this tool to estimate strewn field locations following high altitude fragmentations. Just to clarify a point of apparent confusion: I was proposing two completely different mechanisms that could impart a degree of horizontal motion to a falling object. One is largely non-aerodynamic (except in a trivial sense), and involves the object reaching a horizontal zero airspeed (which in a wind means there is a non-zero ground speed). The second is purely aerodynamic, and involves what happens when the object is oriented and possibly tumbling. The first situation isn't too difficult to analyze (we've both touched on parts of that); the second is pretty much impossible to deal with. The test case I alluded to was something I tried at the Roan Cliffs in western Colorado, above Rifle (famous for a meteoritic non-crater that the locals like to show off). There's an interesting spot up top where winds are diverted upward. If you throw a stick over, it drops down and then gets picked up, and can be carried many feet above the cliff top. There's even a waterfall there that goes up when it reaches the edge, and the water just evaporates overhead. But if you drop a flat rock, like the sort you'd skim on a lake, it drops down, and will tumble violently. It may literally look like a leaf falling, and can veer out 10 feet or more, or back into the side of the cliff hard enough to hear when it's hundreds of feet down. A spherical rock just drops straight. I tried this with dozens of different rocks. There's no doubt at all in my mind that something shaped like the Illinois object, traveling at ~50 m/s, could execute some pretty impressive aerial maneuvers. BTW, I'm not particularly arguing that this thing did fall, only considering that it seems plausible. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite GoesThroughWindowinIllinois Chris wrote: In a steady 18 mph wind [which would give the metal a fall angle of 20 degrees], that equates to a horizontal ground speed of 18 mph. The heavier the object, the longer it will take to reach that zero airspeed. So if this thing was falling vertically, and then experienced a brief gust, it would hardly be affected. On the other hand, if fell a mile in that wind, I'd expect its ground speed to be close to the wind speed: it wouldn't be falling vertically. This has little to do with aerodynamics. OK Chris, I think I understand your assumptions and note your departure from reliance on aerodynamics which it originally sounded like you were depending upon for your assumptions. Now we are in the upstream/downstream textbook canoe problem. Whether you originally depended on aerodynamics is debatable though while my intuition had a problem with that, I think that is a harder argument for me to critique. Just one comment and I will put some 'hard' numbers to this which I invite you to pick apart if you can (or if not, perhaps use them for your own thoughts). It is also why
[meteorite-list] Paleo EL3 Surface Features
Please forgive the similar posting, but my original title wasn't very descriptive and I have a couple of new questions. Note also that I didn't intend to diss the discussion about flat flying window crashers. I've forgotten all the calculations being applied but it's interesting to hear the analysis. I never thought this EL3 was very visually interesting, but I'm getting a kick out of it so again please excuse my curiosity. BTW, I've received one vote for the EL3 family and one for a furnace clinker. Gary, thanks for the photo. I have some of the brownish pieces as well but this one seems different. Might be the blue part - or a furnace clinker. So what does the exterior of these paleo EL3s look like if anything interesting at all? I believe it was Michael Cottingham who had some advertised on e-bay with fusion crust. Might be have fusion crust, leached rind, and nothing? Norbert Kammel has a ferrocrete Wolfe Crater impactite described as limonite deposited from solution. Looks very similar to the exteroir of the item in question and as I understand it (but could very well be wrong), the mechanics could have been similar. http://www.rocksonfire.com/met-ex-iw22.htm Here are links to my original pictures again. Any further comments? 20x interior http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/what.jpg Here is the whole thing. The pebbles stuck would seem to be a mini version of the cobble conglomerate: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3macro.jpg And here is what those shiny areas look like up close (again 20x): http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3a.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3b.jpg Thanks again and regards to all, Phil __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paleo EL3 Surface Features
Hi Phil, Here's a pic of el3 with patches of fusion crust; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/el3fusioncrust.jpg Gary Please forgive the similar posting, but my original title wasn't very descriptive and I have a couple of new questions. Note also that I didn't intend to diss the discussion about flat flying window crashers. I've forgotten all the calculations being applied but it's interesting to hear the analysis. I never thought this EL3 was very visually interesting, but I'm getting a kick out of it so again please excuse my curiosity. BTW, I've received one vote for the EL3 family and one for a furnace clinker. Gary, thanks for the photo. I have some of the brownish pieces as well but this one seems different. Might be the blue part - or a furnace clinker. So what does the exterior of these paleo EL3s look like if anything interesting at all? I believe it was Michael Cottingham who had some advertised on e-bay with fusion crust. Might be have fusion crust, leached rind, and nothing? Norbert Kammel has a ferrocrete Wolfe Crater impactite described as limonite deposited from solution. Looks very similar to the exteroir of the item in question and as I understand it (but could very well be wrong), the mechanics could have been similar. http://www.rocksonfire.com/met-ex-iw22.htm Here are links to my original pictures again. Any further comments? 20x interior http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/wha t.jpg Here is the whole thing. The pebbles stuck would seem to be a mini version of the cobble conglomerate: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3macro.jp g And here is what those shiny areas look like up close (again 20x): http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3a.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3b.jpg Thanks again and regards to all, Phil __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Many United States Geological Survey Publications Now Online
Many Unites States Geological Survey Publications are now online as DJVU files. Advanced Search for these publications is at: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/index.jsp For example, meteorite related USGS publications, which can be viewed and downloaded are: 1. Cosmochemistry; Part 1, Meteorites, Professional Paper 440-B-1, by B. Mason at: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/pp/pp440B1 and 2. The disintegration of the Wolf Creek meteorite and the formation of pecoraite, the nickel analog of clinochrysotile, Professional Paper 384-C, by Faust, George T.; Fahey, J. J.; Mason, B. H.; and Dwornik, E. J. http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/pp/pp384C Yours, Paul H. Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] could it be?
Lol, Furnace clinker. I haven't heard that expression in a long time. I used to sell clinker grabbers and I think I still have a few in reserve. Not much call for them these days. Not very many coal fired homes or businesses here anymore. People used to buy them as grab alls but they are heavier. I never thought about clinkers as possible wrongs. I can see it. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:26:48 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] could it be? Phil, I hate to say this, but it looks like a furnace clinker to me... Here's a pic of an EL3 slice under a scope. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/el3-microscope1.jpg Gary Hello everyone, I found something that could be interesting in a batch of NWAs. I thought it might be an EL3 since I'm pretty sure there were a couple of those as well, but ground down and edge and I don't think so... I know we can only speculate based on photos but it's got to be at least as fun as speculating about flat pieces of iron flying through windows ;-) So, think it's meteoritic? http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/wha t.jpg Here is the whole thing. It's not very big, should I pursue it? http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3macro.jp g And here is what those shiny areas look like up close: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3a.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3b.jpg Regards, Phil __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Many United States Geological Survey PublicationsNow Online
And do not forget the USGS pubs regarding the Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater. http://pubs.usgs.gov/prof/p1612/ All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:33 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Many United States Geological Survey PublicationsNow Online Many Unites States Geological Survey Publications are now online as DJVU files. Advanced Search for these publications is at: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/index.jsp For example, meteorite related USGS publications, which can be viewed and downloaded are: 1. Cosmochemistry; Part 1, Meteorites, Professional Paper 440-B-1, by B. Mason at: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/pp/pp440B1 and 2. The disintegration of the Wolf Creek meteorite and the formation of pecoraite, the nickel analog of clinochrysotile, Professional Paper 384-C, by Faust, George T.; Fahey, J. J.; Mason, B. H.; and Dwornik, E. J. http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/pp/pp384C Yours, Paul H. Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters
Mike, One ridiculous post does not or something. I don't want to think about it right now. I'm pretty stupid sometimes and have been known to have an occaisional streak of intuition. I hope your trip went well as do most of us. Installing a new hot water heater :( Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:48:51 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters Bill, are you really that stupid? I did not threaten his life I made a ridiculous post to counter his rude and ridiculous post saying that he would have any of us who threatened his crater trown in jail and tortured. Learn about sarcasm, it will make your life much easier. Michael Farmer Sorry about the late reply, but I have had no email access in more than two weeks. --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursue a new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters
Hi everyone I did not see where the coordinates were published? Can anyone help with the location? I will share my finds, and they will be many as long as I have the right location. I figure I can hunt at night, I did that once. I might hunt this crater for well maybe 6 weeks?? I have some extra batteries,is this in Peru or Portugal? On 3/8/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, One ridiculous post does not or something. I don't want to think about it right now. I'm pretty stupid sometimes and have been known to have an occaisional streak of intuition. I hope your trip went well as do most of us. Installing a new hot water heater :( Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:48:51 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters Bill, are you really that stupid? I did not threaten his life I made a ridiculous post to counter his rude and ridiculous post saying that he would have any of us who threatened his crater trown in jail and tortured. Learn about sarcasm, it will make your life much easier. Michael Farmer Sorry about the late reply, but I have had no email access in more than two weeks. --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people, list members? Enough already. Are you all so full of yourselves that you have to pursuea new witch hunt on a regular basis? I don't see this guy spamming after he was threatened with his life by Mike. C'mon. How freaking ignorant was that? Uncalled for Mike. No excuses for that one. If those that need a goat are so bored as to jump this man, they need to get off their asses and find another interest. Let it go. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035 www.meteoritefinder.com 530-384-1598 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paleo EL3 Surface Features
Hi Gary, this is NO fusion crust at all. It is also from weathering. (cumulated iron oxide, inside former cracks) ! rgds Harald - Original von: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Phil, Here's a pic of el3 with patches of fusion crust; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/el3fusioncrust.jpg Gary Please forgive the similar posting, but my original title wasn't very descriptive and I have a couple of new questions. Note also that I didn't intend to diss the discussion about flat flying window crashers. I've forgotten all the calculations being applied but it's interesting to hear the analysis. I never thought this EL3 was very visually interesting, but I'm getting a kick out of it so again please excuse my curiosity. BTW, I've received one vote for the EL3 family and one for a furnace clinker. Gary, thanks for the photo. I have some of the brownish pieces as well but this one seems different. Might be the blue part - or a furnace clinker. So what does the exterior of these paleo EL3s look like if anything interesting at all? I believe it was Michael Cottingham who had some advertised on e-bay with fusion crust. Might be have fusion crust, leached rind, and nothing? Norbert Kammel has a ferrocrete Wolfe Crater impactite described as limonite deposited from solution. Looks very similar to the exteroir of the item in question and as I understand it (but could very well be wrong), the mechanics could have been similar. http://www.rocksonfire.com/met-ex-iw22.htm Here are links to my original pictures again. Any further comments? 20x interior http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/wha t.jpg Here is the whole thing. The pebbles stuck would seem to be a mini version of the cobble conglomerate: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3macro.jp g And here is what those shiny areas look like up close (again 20x): http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3a.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/EL3/EL3b.jpg Thanks again and regards to all, Phil __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Versendet durch aonWebmail (195.3.96.106) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
