Re: [meteorite-list] Topics for collection of wisdoms
As for the magnetic properties of stones, follow this link. http://www.caillou-noir.com/magnetic-susceptibility_SM30.htm If I'm not totally wrong, magnetic susceptibility of a meteorite is basically how hard a magnet is attracted to a meteorite. If I'm wrong I will surely be corrected on the list. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_susceptibility /Göran Michael Murray wrote: Hi List, Here are a couple questions that might inspire a topic for a Collection of Wisdoms - Magnetic properties of stonys. I'm curious to know if anyone has undertaken the task of testing and documenting the magnetic properties found in the different groups and/or sub-groups of stony meteorites. I'm curious to know too... Most articles I have read on Martian and Lunar pieces say they are not attracted to a magnet. Is this known to be without exception? Michael Murray __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The red skein of aggressiveness
WISDOM Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteoritelist Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The red skein of aggressiveness Those who stay silent while being called names are cowards. Often it is better to stay at the level of civility one is wanting others to expect from oneself than to lower oneself to the base and crude levels which I have seen some on this list lower themselves to. And if that means being silent, because one cannot respond without the crude use of explicatives and threats on the list, then let the crude and base think you a coward while those who know you will think much better of you and even sometimes come to your aid in a manner befitting the levels of education represented on this list. Mark Ferguson __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Pallasite, photos.
Hi Mike and All, Congratulations!!! You are the man Mike, an impressive find indeed!! I'm not sure if most of the list can fully appreciate how hard it is to find a meteorite, even when you're right in the middle of the strewn field. Finding a pallasite is an awesome feeling. I know that you are one of only a handfull of people that have ever found a Glorieta Mountain Pallasite. How many different pallasites have you personally found? I'm assuming Imilac, Glorieta Mountain and this new one, any others? Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pallasite story.
Ruben, I have found both Imilac and Glorieta Mountain pieces, although the Glorieta Mountain pieces I have found weigh a combined less than 20 grams! I have spent thousands of dollars travelling to Glorieta, to find a value of only a couple hundred dollars. Hunting meteorites takes incredible patience, and lots of luck mixed in. When I first started hunting, a friend of mine at Gold Basin was doing much better than I was, and I ask him the secret, just to share soemthing with me so that I could improve my haul of meteorites. He told me that the trick to finding meteorites is to get the coil of your detector over the meteorite! When I found this new pallasite, it was one of the best finds of my life, I honestly think I was more excited than when I found the moon rock. There was no question of what this meteorite was. We have been preparing for months a return to the location to systematically search for more pieces. My hunting partner and I returned to the location, carrying crates of material to build metal-detectors which could be pulled behind the vehicles. Customs was quite interested in the machines, but when told what they were for, they thought it was cool. We hunted for two days, gridding teh area where I found the first piece, back and forth 16 hours per day (night hunting during a full moon in the desert is not a problem). We found nothing in thoe two days! Imagine the boredom and anger at what we thouht was going to be an easy hunt. After two full days of gridding the site of the first piece, we decided to go out more randomly in all directions, to try and hit a second piece. Late in the afternoon, my radio crackled, but I was too far away from Robert to hear him. We have several different radios, so finally my GPS radio came on and I heard Robert say that he had found it. I called back and he told me that he had found more pallasite! It took us some time to fugure out where each other was, but I drove up on a small hill and Robert talked me in. --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike and All, Congratulations!!! You are the man Mike, an impressive find indeed!! I'm not sure if most of the list can fully appreciate how hard it is to find a meteorite, even when you're right in the middle of the strewn field. Finding a pallasite is an awesome feeling. I know that you are one of only a handfull of people that have ever found a Glorieta Mountain Pallasite. How many different pallasites have you personally found? I'm assuming Imilac, Glorieta Mountain and this new one, any others? Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Pallasite, photos.
Hi Mike, Ruben, and All, I'd like to second Ruben's congratulations on this fantastic find - well done Mike! This one is extra-cool because it's a cold find. Great in situ pictures, by the way! So keep on rocking, and never mind the trolls. Best, Norbert Norbert Classen Planetary Meteorites http://www.meteoris.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi Mike and All, Congratulations!!! You are the man Mike, an impressive find indeed!! I'm not sure if most of the list can fully appreciate how hard it is to find a meteorite, even when you're right in the middle of the strewn field. Finding a pallasite is an awesome feeling. I know that you are one of only a handfull of people that have ever found a Glorieta Mountain Pallasite. How many different pallasites have you personally found? I'm assuming Imilac, Glorieta Mountain and this new one, any others? Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Fossil Meteorite NWA 2965 EL3 Great price in Kg lots offered to the list
Hi List, I have a fairly large quantity of the Meteorite NWA 2965. This is the meteorite that has been talked about so much. It was classified as an Aubrite, then an EL6/7 and finally EL3 Fossil Meteorite. The new abstract is at _http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.P51E1247K_ (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.P51E1247K) My name is Tom Phillips IMCA #1609 (International Meteorite Collectors Association).I write the Micro Visions Feature for Meteorite Times (an online meteorite magazine) and the August issue included a write up I did on this material. Please take a look! _http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/Micro_Visions.htm_ (http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/Micro_Visions.htm) Please note: That was written back when this material was identified as an EL6/7 Metachondrite. I bought about 60 Kg of this meteorite early on when it was largely collected on the surface. I understand more is being dug up and it just does not have the cool individual look that these early ones have. I am offering it in 1 Kg lots with sizes from a few grams to about 300 gr. for 40 cents a gram or $400 a kilo. I am also interested in trades as I need new material for the micrographs in my Gallery. Any thing cool of similar value. I have seen this material offered for much more. Email me if you want more info or example photos. Thanks, Tom ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite Story
Hi Michael, and List Congratulations Mike! I love hearing about meteorite hunting success stories. This find and Larry Atkin's Holbrook find are both inspiring to a fellow hunter. Thanks for sharing the information and photos. Michael Murray micro hunter of southwest Colorado __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Pallasite, photos.
Hi Mike, List, Great job! I'd like to say congratulations on your extraordinary find. I can understand how that may be your most satisfying find yet, them thar Pallasites are rare! Thanks for sharing the pictures and story as well, some would say that's the best part, the human experience of personal success. Well Done. Happy Hunting, Larry Atkins In a message dated 3/17/2007 10:30:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mike, Ruben, and All, I'd like to second Ruben's congratulations on this fantastic find - well done Mike! This one is extra-cool because it's a cold find. Great in situ pictures, by the way! So keep on rocking, and never mind the trolls. Best, Norbert Norbert Classen Planetary Meteorites http://www.meteoris.de -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi Mike and All, Congratulations!!! You are the man Mike, an impressive find indeed!! I'm not sure if most of the list can fully appreciate how hard it is to find a meteorite, even when you're right in the middle of the strewn field. Finding a pallasite is an awesome feeling. I know that you are one of only a handfull of people that have ever found a Glorieta Mountain Pallasite. How many different pallasites have you personally found? I'm assuming Imilac, Glorieta Mountain and this new one, any others? Ruben Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pallasite story #2
Sorry for the broken email, I hit the wrong button and it sent before spell check and being finished. Here is the rest of the story. When I arrived at Robert's location, I could see him walking around and small black pallasite pieces laying all over the ground. There were 9 pieces on the surface, and several more under the sand. We could see the sandblasted metal and large olivine crystals glinting in the bright desert sun. We had a little celebration and set up camp at that spot. About four hour later, Robert excitedly yelled into the radio that he found more pieces a quarter mile away. I went over there and sure enough, 5 more pieces, laying in a line about 0.5 meter long embedded in the sandy surface. We hunted for hours more but found nothing else. That night we celebrated with an ice-cold bottle of fine champagne that we had bought in Duty Free. We forgot the glasses though, and I drank mine from a coffee mug, Robert drank his from an empty noodle cup! Even with the uncivilized utensils, that champagne was the taste of victory and success. We talked all night and found it difficult to sleep, wondering just how many kilos of pallasite we would find the next day. We were having difficulty deciding how we would divide up the small amount of material that Robert had found that day (less than 1 kilogram), who would get which piece etc, since I had found nothing. The next day however, would turn out to be mine. We had to go for fuel but returned late in the afternoon, where we started searching even before returning to camp. I decided to go check on the camp when to my amazement, about 30 meters from my tent, I drove up on a patch of pallasite pieces, 8 specimens on the surface totalling about 500 grams. We had been sleeping so close to those meteorites. Anyone who knows about hunting in the desert knows that lighting is everything. You can miss a large meteorite very close to you if you are looking into the sun, but put the sun and your back and it is hard to miss even a small meteorite in the sand. Later that evening, I found two more pieces visually, then after sunset, while gridding, I heard a scream on the detector being pulled behind the truck. I got out, saw nothing on the ground, and pulled out my Goldmaster for a spot check. As I swung the coil, I got a large signal so I called Robert over. We dug up about a 100 gram pallasite from about 3 cm under the soil. I swung again and heard nothing so I packed up the detector and continued driving. Robert immediately called me back and said that I had not found all of the meteorite, in my excitment to hunt I broke the cardinal rule, I did not fully check the hole. Robert got multiple meteorite signals only inches from where I had found the first one. We dug up more than 10 pieces from that little area. Later that night, around 10 pm, I got a large signal on the detector, only about 1 meter from a place where Robert had been pivoting the car on for hours during gridding. Unfortunately for him, he kept turning on the same point, rather than expanding out the turn. I cut accross that spot and found one of the most beautuful Pallasite pieces I have ever seen, weighong 216 grams, shaped like a Klingon bird of Prey spaceship, with an olivine measuring over 40 mm long! He had missed it time and time again by less than three feet. That specimen turned out to be the last one we would find. We gridded for almost two weeks after that, periodicly hunting meteorites elsewhere only to return to the pallasite strewnfield. We never found another piece, even though there is hardly a speck of sand that hadnt been driven over time and time again. The meteorites seems to be a very small fall. As you can find on the Meteoritical Bulletin, there are just over 50 pallasites known (over 70 listed but that includes many paired Antarctica pieces). So there are the same amount of pallasites as there are Lunar and Martian meteorites. That shows you how rare they are, so finding that 180 gram first piece of this pallasite was one of the luckiest days of my life, it is a feeling that can't be described. I will work on photos now, so expect to see an expanded page soon. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] View points
Hi Ingo, I couldn't know, that the mail on the list was privately. That discussion is vexatious. Let's make it short. Those whammies to dealers on the list are routine. - Dealers don't contribute to the scientific discourses on the list, they abuse the list only for propagating their material. I say: Even if so - what else than about just that material they organize and advertise, we are discussing here? The stones alone are contribution enough. - Dealers are rotten, immoral and unethical persons - they are driven by greed, they try to make profit. I say: Meteorites were traded and dealt since 200 years. Meteorite dealer is a bread butter job (but unfortunately no 9:00 a.m. to 5 p.m.). To ask higher ethical standards than from your baker or butcher is absurd. AsCause everything in meteoritics works only via reputation and authenticity, they do already have higher standards. That you earn money with your profession, should be a normal thing, shouldn't it? I can't find any meteorite dealer, who had bought with the revenues of meteorite selling during the price crises of the recent 5 years his palace, his yacht, his fancy fleet of cars or whatever you'll take as epitomes for large wealth. Nor do I see one of them employing a secretary, a preparator, a packer, a webmaster. Meteorite dealer is a harder profession than others. Nothing against Farmer, the Hupes, Afanasjev et al. but every mid-sized fossils or mineral dealer mildly smiles, if he get to know the annual turnover and the work, risks and exertions they have to bear for that. So be sure, without enthusiasm for the stones, no dealer could do this job to himself. - Meteorite dealer are dicing meteorites, destroying significant specimens, for a higher profit to satisfy their greed. I say. We have a collectorship in meteoritics on Earth of 1000 people at best. The smallest field of collection. It is ways more easier to sell a Ferrari, a race-horse, fine art, islands in the sun than meteorites, because for meteorites exists no demand, the supply was to large for this small demand during the last years, so that the prices went underground. See many of the old-time-sellers have disappeared. (now it starts to get better, see the Martians..). Most of these collectors do have a very limited budget. They simply can't afford large pieces. The number of collectors being able to assemble good-sized specimens is very limited. A part of them is willing to pay for larger specimen only prices, which aren't economically justifiable for a dealer. Museums aren't buying anymore or to that extend as they did the 200 years before. So would you recommend, that the dealers should quit? They are selling smaller pieces only, because they have to do so and because there is a demand for. Ask them. If they could, they would be glad and happy, if they could sell only big and entire specimens. It would save endless work, it would set funds free at a faster pace for new acquisitions and adventures. And it is rubbish to claim, that the dealers would atomize all of their stuff. Look around, there is no exotic stone, where you couldn't purchase a big stone, a main mass, complete fullslices. I guess, you should switch a little bit your ant's-market-ebay-perspective, ebay isn't the main market for meteorites. - Meteorite Dealers are criminals. They steal their stones, they rip off the former owners, they act illegally, they obscure, they inflict damage to science and so on ad libitum. Where are we and who are the dealers, that they should swallow such baseless accusations? Why is it apparently allowed to voice such imputations on the list months for months, but it should be not allowed to counter them? Thanks God, there are only a few notorious ones, (whose bigotry is sometimes astonishing), who spread their strange imaginations again and again here, and the vast majority appreciates, demonstrating the adequate respect to the work of the hunters and dealers. But, and here I see the main problem, there are many beginners on the list and there is the possibility that, because those strange ones are allowed to repat and repeat and repeat their imputations, that they could believe that crap, especially if noone of the accused contradicts. (And if someone starts to run amok, verbally threatening a list members health and life, Ingo, there we don't have to discuss - if that person won't be kicked off from the list, the victim has the right to answer). S, don't you think that kind of discussion isn't annoying for me neither? It is, and I guess that was ist for the rest of the year, what I have to say about such stuff. Back to meteorites! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ingo Herkstroeter Gesendet: Samstag, 17. März 2007 00:06 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] View points Hi Martin, Mike and List! First of all the e-mail to Armando was a private one and shouldn't go to
Re: [meteorite-list] Recent E-mails
Soi you plan to break list rrules too, eh? lol Go for it man. I'm a thick skinned SOB. Assume away. Just so you know, I expect the same from you - no more private emails please. Gary If you have something to say then post if publicly. I will assume that any future emails sent to me privately were meant to be publicly viewed and that I should forward it to the list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Pallasite, photos.
Hi All, Great Story Mike, I Felt like I was there every minute of it! Although I've found many pieces of the Glorieta Pallasite, its only one fall. I know exactly how you feel though. It's very exciting. I'm wondering how are you ever gonna let go of a pallasite you found? It'll be tough. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite story #2
Yes, that is the question, but this desert is very easy to search, and since virtually all of it was found on the surface, I am confident that there is not likely much more. We searched many miles in every direction. One never knows, but three weeks of 14 hour days of systematic searching makes me think that there is not a lot of this meteorite to be found. the fact that it is more than 10,000 miles away makes it a little hard to hunt on weekends! Michael Farmer PS, the sales webpages will be listed in the next 30 minutes or so. --- Mike Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mike congratulations! Sounds like a very sparse strewn field. Do you think that is the end of it or did you just look at a small burp and there is more down range to find? Never can be sure with a pallasite, it could have come in like Peekskill and all you found was a small pop or spark that dropped a few fragments. There could be a lot more down range somewhere. The only problem is which way do you look? Any way congratulations. On 3/17/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the broken email, I hit the wrong button and it sent before spell check and being finished. Here is the rest of the story. When I arrived at Robert's location, I could see him walking around and small black pallasite pieces laying all over the ground. There were 9 pieces on the surface, and several more under the sand. We could see the sandblasted metal and large olivine crystals glinting in the bright desert sun. We had a little celebration and set up camp at that spot. About four hour later, Robert excitedly yelled into the radio that he found more pieces a quarter mile away. I went over there and sure enough, 5 more pieces, laying in a line about 0.5 meter long embedded in the sandy surface. We hunted for hours more but found nothing else. That night we celebrated with an ice-cold bottle of fine champagne that we had bought in Duty Free. We forgot the glasses though, and I drank mine from a coffee mug, Robert drank his from an empty noodle cup! Even with the uncivilized utensils, that champagne was the taste of victory and success. We talked all night and found it difficult to sleep, wondering just how many kilos of pallasite we would find the next day. We were having difficulty deciding how we would divide up the small amount of material that Robert had found that day (less than 1 kilogram), who would get which piece etc, since I had found nothing. The next day however, would turn out to be mine. We had to go for fuel but returned late in the afternoon, where we started searching even before returning to camp. I decided to go check on the camp when to my amazement, about 30 meters from my tent, I drove up on a patch of pallasite pieces, 8 specimens on the surface totalling about 500 grams. We had been sleeping so close to those meteorites. Anyone who knows about hunting in the desert knows that lighting is everything. You can miss a large meteorite very close to you if you are looking into the sun, but put the sun and your back and it is hard to miss even a small meteorite in the sand. Later that evening, I found two more pieces visually, then after sunset, while gridding, I heard a scream on the detector being pulled behind the truck. I got out, saw nothing on the ground, and pulled out my Goldmaster for a spot check. As I swung the coil, I got a large signal so I called Robert over. We dug up about a 100 gram pallasite from about 3 cm under the soil. I swung again and heard nothing so I packed up the detector and continued driving. Robert immediately called me back and said that I had not found all of the meteorite, in my excitment to hunt I broke the cardinal rule, I did not fully check the hole. Robert got multiple meteorite signals only inches from where I had found the first one. We dug up more than 10 pieces from that little area. Later that night, around 10 pm, I got a large signal on the detector, only about 1 meter from a place where Robert had been pivoting the car on for hours during gridding. Unfortunately for him, he kept turning on the same point, rather than expanding out the turn. I cut accross that spot and found one of the most beautuful Pallasite pieces I have ever seen, weighong 216 grams, shaped like a Klingon bird of Prey spaceship, with an olivine measuring over 40 mm long! He had missed it time and time again by less than three feet. That specimen turned out to be the last one we would find. We gridded for almost two weeks after that, periodicly hunting meteorites elsewhere only to return to the pallasite strewnfield. We never found another piece, even though there is hardly a speck of sand that hadnt been driven over time and time again. The meteorites seems to be a very small fall. As you can find
[meteorite-list] Palasite sales pages
Ojk, I have the first sales pages up, just the large pieces, no photos of the smaller pieces up yet. Michael Farmer http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/newpallasite.htm http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/newpallasitesales1.htm http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/newpallasitesales2.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Palasite sales pages
Mike, List, Great stuff, that's one beautifully ugly meteorite! I can't congratulate you enough. I hope you cut some up into more affordable pieces for working stiffs like me. I really want some but these are way out of my league. : ( Thanks again for the excellent report! -Larry In a message dated 3/17/2007 1:26:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ojk, I have the first sales pages up, just the large pieces, no photos of the smaller pieces up yet. Michael Farmer http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/newpallasite.htm http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/newpallasitesales1.htm http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/newpallasitesales2.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] View points
Hi Martin, List! I wouldn't follow all your words below, Martin, and I never have said such things! What ever, you made a good point: Back to meteorites! Yeep, exactly what I think! Let's do it now! Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Martin Altmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 17. März 2007 17:06 An: 'Ingo Herkstroeter'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] View points Hi Ingo, I couldn't know, that the mail on the list was privately. That discussion is vexatious. Let's make it short. Those whammies to dealers on the list are routine. - Dealers don't contribute to the scientific discourses on the list, they abuse the list only for propagating their material. I say: Even if so - what else than about just that material they organize and advertise, we are discussing here? The stones alone are contribution enough. - Dealers are rotten, immoral and unethical persons - they are driven by greed, they try to make profit. I say: Meteorites were traded and dealt since 200 years. Meteorite dealer is a bread butter job (but unfortunately no 9:00 a.m. to 5 p.m.). To ask higher ethical standards than from your baker or butcher is absurd. AsCause everything in meteoritics works only via reputation and authenticity, they do already have higher standards. That you earn money with your profession, should be a normal thing, shouldn't it? I can't find any meteorite dealer, who had bought with the revenues of meteorite selling during the price crises of the recent 5 years his palace, his yacht, his fancy fleet of cars or whatever you'll take as epitomes for large wealth. Nor do I see one of them employing a secretary, a preparator, a packer, a webmaster. Meteorite dealer is a harder profession than others. Nothing against Farmer, the Hupes, Afanasjev et al. but every mid-sized fossils or mineral dealer mildly smiles, if he get to know the annual turnover and the work, risks and exertions they have to bear for that. So be sure, without enthusiasm for the stones, no dealer could do this job to himself. - Meteorite dealer are dicing meteorites, destroying significant specimens, for a higher profit to satisfy their greed. I say. We have a collectorship in meteoritics on Earth of 1000 people at best. The smallest field of collection. It is ways more easier to sell a Ferrari, a race-horse, fine art, islands in the sun than meteorites, because for meteorites exists no demand, the supply was to large for this small demand during the last years, so that the prices went underground. See many of the old-time-sellers have disappeared. (now it starts to get better, see the Martians..). Most of these collectors do have a very limited budget. They simply can't afford large pieces. The number of collectors being able to assemble good-sized specimens is very limited. A part of them is willing to pay for larger specimen only prices, which aren't economically justifiable for a dealer. Museums aren't buying anymore or to that extend as they did the 200 years before. So would you recommend, that the dealers should quit? They are selling smaller pieces only, because they have to do so and because there is a demand for. Ask them. If they could, they would be glad and happy, if they could sell only big and entire specimens. It would save endless work, it would set funds free at a faster pace for new acquisitions and adventures. And it is rubbish to claim, that the dealers would atomize all of their stuff. Look around, there is no exotic stone, where you couldn't purchase a big stone, a main mass, complete fullslices. I guess, you should switch a little bit your ant's-market-ebay-perspective, ebay isn't the main market for meteorites. - Meteorite Dealers are criminals. They steal their stones, they rip off the former owners, they act illegally, they obscure, they inflict damage to science and so on ad libitum. Where are we and who are the dealers, that they should swallow such baseless accusations? Why is it apparently allowed to voice such imputations on the list months for months, but it should be not allowed to counter them? Thanks God, there are only a few notorious ones, (whose bigotry is sometimes astonishing), who spread their strange imaginations again and again here, and the vast majority appreciates, demonstrating the adequate respect to the work of the hunters and dealers. But, and here I see the main problem, there are many beginners on the list and there is the possibility that, because those strange ones are allowed to repat and repeat and repeat their imputations, that they could believe that crap, especially if noone of the accused contradicts. (And if someone starts to run amok, verbally threatening a list members health and life, Ingo, there we don't have to discuss - if that person won't be kicked off from the list, the victim has the right to answer). S, don't you think that kind of discussion isn't annoying for me neither? It is, and I guess that was
[meteorite-list] Reprise + finale: The red skein of aggressiveness
Mike Farmer wrote: Bernd, I respect you and your opinion, but do not single me out... Hello Mike and List, I got some ayes, I got some flak - even from my Pauline, which is quite normal because there are always two sides to a thing: it takes two to tango. Let me first of all congratulate Mike on his latest find: this extraordinary pallasite - I criticized you so I should also be able to congratulate you on this latest meteoritic feat! Mike is a top-notch meteorite dealer, a top-notch meteorite collector, Mike is a top-notch meteorite hunter, ... his impulsive, eruptive aggressiveness can be quite bothersome! But: He is *NOT a thief, he never stole a meteorite nor ever will - I own an Ourique piece plus a thin section - both from Mike as so many other specimens in my collection and there would be quite a few meteorites missing in our and UoA's collections if Mike Farmer had not been there right in the adventurous footsteps of Bob Haag! I didn't like Armando's latest post in response to my post very much because I did not mean to demean Mike's merits as a collector-hunter-dealer, I was solely referring to his unbridled aggressiveness - no matter what triggers his eruptions, ... the first thing he does, he goes boom! So, I do hope that if ever Mike and I meet in person, either in Ensisheim or in Tucson some day, that we will enjoy a couple of beers, talk meteorites and other things and maybe smile about things we said even though we were serious when said what we said! Best regards, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE
Dear Listees, http://www.diogenite.com/t1.htm GREEN STAR METEORITES (a.k.a., Verda Stelo Meteoritoj) This is the BIGGER IS BETTER festive occasion. And yes, mine is bigger! The Luck of the Irish! True achondrite green Mg-Fe colored Orthopyroxene space crystals, some with nice cleavage. INTRODUCING...drum roll please ... (may I try one, can you tell I'm new at this?) kindly see what's on the website and have fun, I'm inviting you see diogenites that make my dreams, and which I am now convinced do not grow on trees :-) OK, I'll calm down and man the shop. It is with great pleasure that I kneel before you, for the first time ever, to offer some premium meteorites to the list. You will see there is pot of green at the end of this rainbow! Green for you (so you don't get a pinch), and green for me, to get out of a pinch. I'll probably have a follow-up offering with different specimens, as I expect to consolidate this over the next week. Sorry I have not built a serious web site in many years for this sort of thing, so if it doesn't display properly on some browsers, please forgive me and if you could let me know privately that would be exceedingly appreciated. Best Health and May the mischievous Leprechaun come your way... (and the trolls stay under the bridge) Diogenite Doug http://www.diogenite.com (see sale link above, it is not accessible from the main page) P.S. just email me about any details if you are interested in acquiring a specimen. The site will be significantly updated with all kinds of relevant info; I am having fun building it, though I'd rather be out dining with the diogenites, so I hope you enjoy them with me. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine/ New California Meteorites for sale
Hi All, If you subscribe to Meteorite Magazine you already know that current issue contains a story about some nice finds my son and I made in California. http://www.mr-meteorite.com/californiafindspart1.htm The meteorites we found are currently undergoing classification(it could take 6-12 months for classification)and I'll post the results right here as soon as I have them. I'm sure it is an ordinary chondrite but that's all I know right now. Several list members have asked if I'll be selling any of the over 400 fragments that we picked up. Truthfully, most of the fragments, and all of the small individuals are already gone. Out of the nearly 8 kilos found I have only 2 kilos left to sell or trade. If you collect California meteorites or would like to have a meteorite in your collection with an insitu picture here's your chance. Each meteorite I have listed will come with an 8x10 insitu picture. Click here for pictures and prices. http://www.mr-meteorite.com/californiafinds4sale.htm I will consider trade but not for the ones I've listed here. My son Ruben Jr. needs to raise money for a new metal Detector. If you'd like to make a trade then I'll have to take some pictures and email you off list. Remember all I have left for trades are small 5-80 gram fragments. Thanks, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Do anybody knows about Stan Turecki?
Dear members! I'm looking for Stan Turecki. He disappeared about two months ago and do not answering my messages. We have a not finished deal with him. I'll be VERY happy if I'll hear something. Thank you in advance. Serge _ It’s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=WLMartagline__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] over 850 meteorite photos, always adding more
Thanks Robert, I appriciate your compliments, I do not mind at all that you pointed out my spelling mistake, I thank you for that as well. Thanks, Joe Kerchner illinoiemeteorites.com - Original Message From: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:46:49 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] over 850 meteorite photos, always adding more Hello Joe, Great job! Lots of nice pictures and good information. I enjoyed looking over your site, and will visit it often I'm sure. I did notice one typo though, if you don't mind me telling you about it. I noticed you have misspelled the word Portales in Portales Valley ( you are missing the e and have it spelled as Portals Valley. :-) Best wishes, Robert Woolard --- Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I have been really busy taking pictures and adding them to my website. I have added many photos and descriptions of meteorwrongs, my meteorite collection, possible new finds, a meteorite photo gallery, many photos from the Field museum meteorite collection, a meteorite forum with many stories and meteorite photos, and a whole lot more. There is also help for hunting and identifying meteorites. I invite everyone to enjoy all of the photos and also to join our meteorite collecting and hunting community at the skyrock cafe meteorite forum Here is a link to my homepage, you will find all the link you will find it really easy to navigate. This site has well over 850 photos. Many many different named finds and falls. Many different types of meteorite classifications. Please enjoy! http://illinoismeteorites.com Thanks, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Topics for collection of wisdoms
Hi Micheal, Here is a good link. http://www.caillou-noir.com/magnetic-susceptibility_SM30.htm Thanks, Joe Kerchner - Original Message From: Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:17:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Topics for collection of wisdoms Hi List, Here are a couple questions that might inspire a topic for a Collection of Wisdoms - Magnetic properties of stonys. I'm curious to know if anyone has undertaken the task of testing and documenting the magnetic properties found in the different groups and/ or sub-groups of stony meteorites. I'm curious to know too... Most articles I have read on Martian and Lunar pieces say they are not attracted to a magnet. Is this known to be without exception? Michael Murray __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bendego Meteorite
I would like to obtain a sample of the Bendego meteorite and have seen samples on several sites and on eBay auctions. However, I understand that most of the Bendego samples found in recent years are highly weathered. I did see a specimen on a German site that had some of the underlying metal showing. Are there any older Bendego samples on the market that have the underlying metal exposed and etched? Also, if anyone has micro or any other samples of the Cape of Good Hope that they are interested in selling, such as the ones that were sold by New England Meteoritical, please e-mail me off list. Thanks. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Do anybody knows about Stan Turecki?
I am having the same problem, a deal needs to be completed, no answer to many emails and phone calls. Michael Farmer --- meteor a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear members! I'm looking for Stan Turecki. He disappeared about two months ago and do not answering my messages. We have a not finished deal with him. I'll be VERY happy if I'll hear something. Thank you in advance. Serge _ Its tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=WLMartagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Recent E-mails - I'm sorry
Dear List, I'm sorry to bother the list again as I know you are all tired of this but I need to clarify something. By Gary following my request for no more private contact it would be easy to think that Gary and I were having a heated exchange of emails privately. This is not the case as my last private email to Gary was on January 23, 2007. Without divulging the content of the conversation on 1/23/07, you can see below that it was very pleasant with no negativity at all. Gary you have my full permission to publicly post your email to me from a couple of days ago. But first could you please help me understand your last email. I'm unfamiliar with Soi. rrules looks like a simple typo. By using too are you implying that you have been breaking list rules? And I totally don't get Assume away. Paul = 1/23/07 Dear Gary, * ** * *** *** ** ** *** * ** *** * . *** ** ** ** * *** *** * *** ** *** *** *** *** ** *** *** *** *. Thank you for your willingness to help. It's also nice to know ** * ** ** ** ** ** *** ** * *** ** ** * ***. Paul == Gary K. Foote wrote: Soi you plan to break list rrules too, eh? lol Go for it man. I'm a thick skinned SOB. Assume away. Just so you know, I expect the same from you - no more private emails please. Gary If you have something to say then post if publicly. I will assume that any future emails sent to me privately were meant to be publicly viewed and that I should forward it to the list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saint Patrick's Day Bonanza ! SALE
Doug, Wow! That's a neat website! Hope you do well with it. Best, Thomas --- MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees, http://www.diogenite.com/t1.htm GREEN STAR METEORITES (a.k.a., Verda Stelo Meteoritoj) This is the BIGGER IS BETTER festive occasion. And yes, mine is bigger! The Luck of the Irish! True achondrite green Mg-Fe colored Orthopyroxene space crystals, some with nice cleavage. INTRODUCING...drum roll please ... (may I try one, can you tell I'm new at this?) kindly see what's on the website and have fun, I'm inviting you see diogenites that make my dreams, and which I am now convinced do not grow on trees :-) OK, I'll calm down and man the shop. It is with great pleasure that I kneel before you, for the first time ever, to offer some premium meteorites to the list. You will see there is pot of green at the end of this rainbow! Green for you (so you don't get a pinch), and green for me, to get out of a pinch. I'll probably have a follow-up offering with different specimens, as I expect to consolidate this over the next week. Sorry I have not built a serious web site in many years for this sort of thing, so if it doesn't display properly on some browsers, please forgive me and if you could let me know privately that would be exceedingly appreciated. Best Health and May the mischievous Leprechaun come your way... (and the trolls stay under the bridge) Diogenite Doug http://www.diogenite.com (see sale link above, it is not accessible from the main page) P.S. just email me about any details if you are interested in acquiring a specimen. The site will be significantly updated with all kinds of relevant info; I am having fun building it, though I'd rather be out dining with the diogenites, so I hope you enjoy them with me. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Topics for collection of wisdoms
Mike Murray wrote: Most articles I have read on Martian and Lunar pieces say they are not attracted to a magnet. Is this known to be without exception? Good question, Mike, and one that I've thought about, too. Some Lunars appear to have such a varied brecciated interior, could there possibly be any of the original impactor embedded within? If Mars has its red hue due to the high iron oxide content, are Martians even minutely magnetic? Cheers, Pete From: Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Topics for collection of wisdoms Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:17:22 -0600 Hi List, Here are a couple questions that might inspire a topic for a Collection of Wisdoms - Magnetic properties of stonys. I'm curious to know if anyone has undertaken the task of testing and documenting the magnetic properties found in the different groups and/ or sub-groups of stony meteorites. I'm curious to know too... Most articles I have read on Martian and Lunar pieces say they are not attracted to a magnet. Is this known to be without exception? Michael Murray __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get Out Of The House - Ski, Skate Sun http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine/ New California Meteorites for sale
Hi all, Thank you everyone for the all the interest in my California meteorites. A few have been sold but some remain. I want to correct something that I said. I previously stated that the classification could take 6-12 months. I should have said 1 to 2 years, because that is more realistic. During this time the exact location will remain a secret. Only when the classification is through will I post results. Thanks again, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
