Re: [meteorite-list] RICHLAND, Final

[Martin Altmann]

Well, Dave, at least they could have made it a little bit more interesting
for the new list members, illustrating the thread with nice pictures.

Photo-duty for fighting-posts!

So that the other members wouldn't have asked themselves:
Errr.Farmer has a piece of that iron, Wasson has a piece of it, Schoner
has one, (only Jason not), where is their problem?
And while these were arguing about, whether the iron was bought after 11
months, 1 year or 13 months, they could have enjoyed in each email of
"you're a liar, I'm a liar, I apologize for this, but not for that"
a fine picture of Fredericksburg and Richland. The main masses, pieces on
museum's displays, fullslices, and so on.

Cause Fredericksburg is a real fine hexahedrite!
Displays excellent Neumann lines, has tiny strange schreibersites, looking
like alien character, rhabdites - though that guy is a little bit
problematic to preserve.

Iron-God Pilski once prepared me some. Jewels! For them I'd abandon each
North Chile!

Buckleboo!
Martin


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PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF THE LIST, WE DO NOT CARE AT THIS POINT...THE BATTLE 
DOES NOT INVOLVED THE LIST AT THIS POINT.
PLEASE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE NEW LIST MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO SICK OF THE 
BICKER MATCH.
Dave F.



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Recon out in the field until April 4. OT

[info]

Dear Listees,

we will be on a meteorite prospecting expedition until April 4 and have only 
temporary email access during that time. All shipments paid for have  been 
sent. Should you encouter major meteorite supply problems during our absence 
please contact your local meteorite dealer. 

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[meteorite-list] Oakley Idaho Meteorite in Smithsonian

[Jeremiah J. Burton]

I was in the Smithsonian a few weeks ago, looking at their collection.  I
noticed a very large iron meteorite from Oakley Idaho, that was found in
1926.  Does anyone know how I can find more details on it?  Thats very close
to where my inlaws live.  Its mostly farm land, and every field, has a large
pile of rocks thats been plowed up.  I was thinking it might be fruitful to
serch those rock piles for more.  What do you guys thinks?

thanks

jeremiah burton



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Re: [meteorite-list] Vernal Equinox

[tracy latimer]

Yes, I celebrate my birthday every year by going out in the back yard with a 
baseball mitt and scanning the skies wistfully for 10-15 minutes.  So far, 
the Meteorite Gawds have not seen fit to answer my petition; rather like 
Linus and his eternally hopeful anticipation of the Great Pumpkin.  Still no 
fall on my birthday, although maybe I'd rather not be one of the very few 
actually struck by a meteorite.


Tracy Latimer



Is it true that there are no meteorites in collections that recorded falls
for the traditional First Day of Spring, March 21?  Well, we always have
Martin, Happy Birthday!  You too Dirk!

It reminds me of the Alice in Wonderland "Unbirthdays" celebration down the
rabbit hole; such a nice concept to collect all the falls on your
unbirthdays if there isn't a fall anniversary falling on your birthday :-(

May a meteorite penetrate your roof and land inside your freezers (to make
things simple for science)!!

Best Health, and happy Unfallday - cuz its a Springday of course:-)
Doug


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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 20, 2007

[Ron Baalke]

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Loses, Re-Establishes Contact with Orbiter - 
sol 1132-1140, March 20, 2007:

Spirit is healthy but had to sit out a Martian day waiting to send data
to Earth while the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter was in safe mode. Both
the rover and the orbiter share the same X-band frequency with Earth and
must coordinate communications. Ultimately, Spirit sent data to Earth
while the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter was on the other side of Mars, out
of reach of Earth.

Spirit drove 21.26 meters (69.75 feet) on the rover's 1,132nd and
1,136th sols, or Martian days, of exploration (March 10 and March 14,
2007), en route to rock targets on "Mitcheltree Ridge."

Sol-by-sol summary:

Sol 1132 (March 10, 2007): Spirit touched a soil target with the
Moessbauer spectrometer, acquired microscopic images, and surveyed the
sky and ground as well as a vesicular basalt known as "Faye Dancer"
using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover drove 10.2
meters (33.5 feet), took images with the hazard avoidance and panoramic
cameras, and acquired a 360-degree mosaic with the navigation camera.

Sol 1133: Spirit began the day by imaging the sky with the panoramic
camera. The rover then pointed the navigation camera at the surrounding
terrain and acquired a movie in search of dust devils. Spirit surveyed
the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and
monitored dust on the rover mast.

Sol 1134: Spirit searched for dust devils in the morning and spent much
of the day engaged in remote targeted sensing. Spirit acquired
full-color images of a knob known as "Pitchers Mound" using all 13
filters of the panoramic camera. The rover acquired images of an outcrop
known as "Backstop" and conducted a survey of rock clasts using the
panoramic camera. Spirit acquired data on targets known as "Shirley
Jameson," "Connie Wisniewski," "Margaret Stephani," and "Tjanath" using
the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover monitored
atmospheric dust using the panoramic camera and surveyed the sky and
ground as well as targets known as "Phundahl" and "Panar" using the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer.

Sol 1135: Spirit began the day by examining scattered light and
searching for dust devils with the navigation camera. The rover surveyed
targets known as "Ptarth" and "Thark," a large slab of rock called
"Torquas," and the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer.

Sol 1136: Spirit's first task of the day was surveying the rover's
calibration target and a target known as "Toonal" using the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit then drove 11.06 meters (36.29
feet) toward an outlying outcrop associated with "Home Plate" (called
"outlier 2") and acquired post-drive images using the hazard avoidance
and navigation cameras. The rover surveyed the sky and ground using the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer.

Sol 1137: In the morning, Spirit acquired thumbnail images of the sky
using the panoramic camera and acquired a movie in search of dust devils
using the navigation camera. When Spirit did not receive the next day's
instructions as a result of being unable to establish a link with Earth
while the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter was in safe mode, the rover
instead executed "runout" science activities for the first time in 321
sols. The pre-loaded runout activities included monitoring atmospheric
dust, measuring light looking east and west, imaging the calibration
target, and taking thumbnail images of the sky.

Sol 1138 (March 9, 2007): Spirit acquired full-color images of targets
known as "Ompt" and "Shador" using all 13 filters of the panoramic
camera. The rover studied Ompt, Shador, and additional targets known as
"Zor" and "Zodanga" using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer.
Spirit monitored atmospheric dust using the panoramic camera and
conducted an argon experiment using the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1139: Spirit's first activities of the day included acquiring
full-color images of Zodanga and Zor using all 13 filters of the
panoramic camera and searching for clouds using the navigation camera.
Spirit acquired hazard avoidance camera images and navigation camera
images of potential scientific targets as well as a 360-degree view of
the rover's surroundings using the navigation camera. Spirit monitored
atmospheric dust using the panoramic camera.

Sol 1140 (March 19, 2007): Spirit took snapshots of the sky using the
panoramic camera and acquired a dust devil movie using the navigation
camera. The rover measured atmospheric dust, scanned the sky and ground
using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and looked for clouds
using the navigation camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 1136 (March 14, 2007), Spirit's total odometry was 7,033.61
meters (4.37 miles).



OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Conducts Imaging and 

[meteorite-list] Oakley Idaho Iron Meteorite

[bernd . pauli]

Jeremiah wrote:

I was in the Smithsonian a few weeks ago, looking at their collection.  I 
noticed
a very large iron meteorite from Oakley Idaho, that was found in 1926. Does 
anyone
know how I can find more details on it? That's very close to where my inlaws 
live.
Its mostly farm land, and every field, has a large pile of rocks that's been 
plowed
up. I was thinking it might be fruitful to serch those rock piles for more.


Hello Jeremiah and List,

Here's an excerpt from V.F. Buchwald.

Cheers,

Bernd


BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 932-934, 
excerpts:

Oakley, Idaho, U.S.A. (42°20' N, 113° 42' W; 2,000 m)
Coarse octahedrite, Og. / Bandwidth 1.40±0.30 mm
Neumann bands / Anomalous, judging from the structure (IIIF)
7.3% Ni, 0.28% P, 7.2 ppm Ga, 1.1 ppm Ge, 5.3 ppm Ir

History

A mass of about 113 kg was found in 1926 - 10 miles northeast of Oakley, Cassia 
County.
It was lying on the surface of the ground on the west side of Harrison Mountain 
where it was
discovered by two youngsters cutting cedar posts. The meteorite was acquired by 
the U.S.
National Museum and was briefly described by Merrill (1927a), who gave three 
photographs
of the exterior. Revised coordinates and an approximate altitude are given 
above.

Collections: Washington (111.4 kg main mass), Calcutta (14 g).

Description

The mass is a triangular, domed shield with the average dimensions of 58 x 47 x 
10 cm. Along one
edge the mass tapers irregularly to a 1-5 cm thick wedge, while near its 
opposite end it attains
its maximum thickness of 20 cm. The present weight is 111.4 kg, and as yet 
nothing has been cut
from it. The finders had, however, broken about 1.5 kg from the thinnest part 
of the edge, leaving
a 16 x 2 cm hackly fracture, and 420 g of this material went to the U.S. 
National Museum with the
main mass.
The surface shows three distinct morphologies, each of which is rather well 
developed ... the convex
side was uppermost. The crown of this top side, about 25 cm in diameter and 10 
cm high, is much less
corroded than the skirt of the top side - probably because the crown was the 
only part that projected
above the ground. The crown is covered with typical, angular ablation 
regmaglypts, 2-4 cm in diameter
and 0.5-1 cm deep; and these are separated by rather smoothly rounded ridges. 
In a majority of the
cavities a 0.1-0.4 mm thick fusion crust is preserved, indicating that hardly 
any material here has
been removed through corrosion.
The remaining part of the top side, which was covered by the soil, is 
considerably corroded. The fusion
crust has disappeared and the regmaglypts have been severely altered ... 
Finally, the concave underside
shows boldly carved, large regmaglypts. These are in the shape of shallow 
bowls, 8-20 cm in diameter
and 1-2 cm deep, ... a 0.5-1 mm thick, warty or striated crust. Oakley 
resembles Cabin Creek, Hra-
schina and Murnpeowie a great deal in the flight-sculpturing ... Oakley ... a 
coarse octahedrite with
straight, long kamacite lamellae with a width of 1.40±0.30 mm ... The kamacite 
shows numerous sub-
boundaries decorated with ...  phosphides, and Neumann bands are also present. 
Taenite and plessite cover about 15% by area ... Schreibersite is present ... 
as rim zones around troilite.
It is monocrystalline but brecciated. A small of ... rhabdites. Troilite occurs 
as irregular nodules ...
Daubreelite is present ... The fusion crust is 1 mm thick and composed of 
layers of metallic melts ...
Under the fusion crust there is a 2 mm thick alpha2 zone ...
Oakley appears to be an anomalous meteorite ...
 
Specimens in the U.S. National Museum in Washington:

111.4 kg main mass (no. 780, 58 x 47 x 10 cm)
15 g fragment, broken from the edge.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Oakley Idaho Meteorite in Smithsonian

[Sterling K. Webb]

BlankHi,

The first thing to do is to Google "Oakley Idaho
meteorite"! You'll find references to the many excellent
meteorite databases available on line.

Here's a great picture of Oakley:
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/Accretion_Desk.htm

 Idaho's own Martin Horejsi says: "Oakley is one of the
best oriented iron meteorites on display in one of the
best collections on earth. The bat-wing form of Oakley
is undoubtedly from a stable flight into the sandy ground
of southern Idaho. The iron ablated away creating a
fluid taper at the trailing edge making me think this
lovely specimen glided into our atmosphere like a
bird on wing. I only wish Oakley was not bolted down.
I'm sure it could use a hug from someone who knows
its homeland well. Washington, DC is a big city, and
the Smithsonian can be a scary place for those of us
used to wide open spaces and quite afternoons in the sun."

This makes it sound like Oakley is a lone landing, but
has anybody ever searched (with a metal detector) near
the spot where the first "bat-wing" landed? Maybe Oakley
was only one of a squadron of bat-winged aliens stranded
in Idaho!

http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/dspace/bitstream/1957/3218/1/vol35_no7_ocr.pdf
Says "Idaho's largest meteorite, the 260-pound Oakley iron, was found in
May 1926 by two teenage boys who were cutting cedar posts in the hills a
few miles east of Oakley. As the axe struck the iron the boys were startled
by a ringing sound. After the meteorite was displayed in Oakley, it was
purchased by the Smithsonian Institution for its collection of meteorites."

Interesting. Was the iron embedded in a cedar? Were
they using the 260-pounder as a good spot to lay cedars
as they whacked at them? Another thing you can do is ask
locals if they remember where Oakley was found.

As you can see, it was exhibited locally for a while
before packing its bags for Washington, D.C. Is there a
local newspaper that was being published in 1926? This:
http://www.idahohistory.net/newspapers_n-r.html
lists the Oakley Eagle, the Oakley Herald, the Oakley News,
the Oakley Star, and the Oakley Sun! The timeline
suggests we want the Herald, which the State Historical
Society seems to have archived for that year. You
should read the meteorite's press clippings. I'll
bet there's lots of stories, with lots of details.

Try to find the specific find location. Take a little
walkabout. Couldn't hurt. Since we're talking about a
large iron, that metal detector wouldn't hurt either.

As heavy as Oakley was, it was likely one of the heaviest
of a multiple fall IF it was multiple. If it was found on the
WESTERN slope, I work my way east from there to see if
there's a strewnfield. Don't think it's likely, but might be worth
an afternoon or two. You ever win a lottery?

How about an Idaho meteorite that has already been found
in seperate pieces? One of the best places to hunt meteorites
is in a strewnfield (Gold Basin, Franconia, Brenham)! How
about more big chunks of the Wilder, Idaho meteorite?

http://earth.boisestate.edu/home/cwhite/meteorite/idaho_meteorites.htm
"The first fragment of the Wilder meteorite was discovered
1982 by Alan Noe in an unplowed field about 5 km north of
Wilder, in southwestern Idaho. This initial find weighed 1970 g
(about 4.3 lbs.). In 1990 Mr. Noe found a second and much
larger piece of the same meteorite about 1.4 km north of the
site of the first discovery. This piece weighed 24.63 kg
(about 54 lbs.)..."

> I was thinking it might be fruitful to search those
> rock piles for more.

The strategy of searching farmer-removed field stones
is a good one. Nininger found it a very profitable search
method on Kansas. In 1991, it yielded a meteorite in Illinois,
the Marengo L6. Says the NHM Catalogue:
"One stone of 68g was found among rock piles on the
side of a cultivated farm field by James A. Wotal and his
son, Alex."

One thing I (who has never found a meteorite) can say
for certain is that the VERY BEST way to find a meteorite is...
to look for one.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: Jeremiah J. Burton
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Oakley Idaho Meteorite in Smithsonian


I was in the Smithsonian a few weeks ago, looking at their collection.  I 
noticed a very large iron meteorite from Oakley Idaho, that was found in 
1926.  Does anyone know how I can find more details on it?  Thats very close 
to where my inlaws live.  Its mostly farm land, and every field, has a large 
pile of rocks thats been plowed up.  I was thinking it might be fruitful to 
serch those rock piles for more.  What do you guys thinks?
thanks
jeremiah burton



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Re: [meteorite-list] Topics for "collection of wisdoms"

[ken newton]

Michael Murray wrote:
> Hi List,
> I'm curious to know too... Most  articles I have read on
> Martian and Lunar pieces say they are not  attracted to a magnet. 
> Is this known to be without exception?

> Michael Murray


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6460089.stm

'Lunar dust 'may harm astronauts'
"A team at the University of Tennessee (UT) in Knoxville is also
looking at ways of using magnets to filter dust from the living
environments of lunar bases and spacecraft."

Best,
ken newton
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[meteorite-list] Oakley Idaho Meteorite in Smithsonian

[Metorman46]

 
I for one love to search rock piles,and i think you have a great  idea.Go for 
it and good luck.

 
Best of luck;Herman Archer.







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Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi & Meteorite Offers from Russia

[ValparInt]

Mike,
 
Can I get a Ferrari, too, even though I don't have any Euros? Do you take  
food stamps?
 
Paul Swartz
 

http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/car.jpg

Matteo,  here is a photo of a Ferrari I have for sale.
Send me 500 Euros, then I will  send you a contract for
purchase and shipping details. 
I am selling this  car for charity for little starving
children.
See how easy that  is?
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[meteorite-list] Block of Ice Falls Out of Sky in Spain

[ValparInt]

Did it have fusion crust?



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Re: [meteorite-list] Forwarded AD - New Illinois Iron Meteorite?

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Dear Friends;
After the large episode of Earth Disasters last evening, I would also 
expect to see a Tunguska Iron Meteorite coming along shortly, stay tuned!
Media is a good and bad thing.  Full of many unscientific half truths 
though.

Dave Freeman

Sterling K. Webb wrote:


Hi, All,

Amazing resemblance to the Bloomington
Object, don't you think? Same unlikely
proportion of the three dimensions. Same
sharp "regmaglypts." And just enough time
to have worked up a reasonable facsimile.

The drill is the same. Measure its density.
Get it cut, etch a face. Get a bulk composition
analysis. Step by step...

Three irons in a row: the New Jersey Object,
Bloomington (Illinois) Object, Illinois (Illinois)
Object. Odd when you consider how rare
the fall of an Iron is.

I can't get the photos to show in their full
original size, so can't say much about crust.


Sterling K. Webb
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"Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:06 PM
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--- drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

<< Dear Ken, Michael and List,
I concur with Ken.  The "meteorite" appears to have
been manufactured with a acetylene torch or forge and
a sledge hammer or press.  The "mass" has an unusual
cross-section for a real iron meteorite and the
thumb printing looks like hammer or press marks.  Good
job Ken in pointing out this suspect"meteorite". Best
Regards, Dirk...Tokyo>>


What Dirk and Ken said
Perhaps bogus was too strong  but definitely a hoax.
The "pseudo-regmaglypts" are rimmed, indicating these
are not ablation features but ducted( as in ductile)
and sheer features.

Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi & Meteorite Offers from Russia

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Make sure Matteo understands that he pays the shipping up front before 
you will ship!

Great laugh,
Dave  F.

Michael Farmer wrote:


http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/car.jpg

Matteo, here is a photo of a Ferrari I have for sale.
Send me 500 Euros, then I will send you a contract for
purchase and shipping details. 
I am selling this car for charity for little starving

children.
See how easy that is?
Michael Farmer



 


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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   


I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you
 


emails
   


with photos etcand is not real this person ask
immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro
and
now I want seen what arrive

Matteo

--- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto:

 


Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam.
   


They
   


are
now getting on ebay, finding items that sell,
learning
about them, then ripping people off who are
   


gullible
 


enough to send money to people they do not know.
This
has been on the news lately.
These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you
   


will
   


never hear from them again. The same people are
likely
sending the same emails to people for coins,
fossils,
and anything else of value from Russia that
   


people
   

might actually want to buy. 
Buy from people you know, or suffer the

consequences.
Michael Farmer
--- Notkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   


Dear Listees:

Greetings all.

Thank you to those of you who replied off-List
 


to
 


my
   

post inquiring 
about a Mr. Kramskoi.


The following information may be of interest
 


to
   


to
 

any List members who 
have received a recent offer from Russia about

meteorites for sale:

1) A significant number meteorite dealers and
collectors, around the 
world, have been contacted by email by a
 


person
   

representing himself as 
Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi
 


Law
 

Firm in Moscow. He 
states he is selling meteorite specimens in
 


order
 


to
   

raise funds for 
the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation
 


(supposedly
   

an orphanage) in 
Russia.


2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar
 


specimens
   

from the Russian 
Luna missions, and some very attractive
Sikhote-Alins, apparently from 
an old collection. He has emailed photos of
 


these
 

specimens to numerous 
people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg
 


of
 

Sikhote-Alins, "so 
you can inspect it carefully and give a fair
 


price
 

for these items." 
Once I agreed to receive the specimens for
inspection, he then emailed 
me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in
advance as a "contract 
fee."


3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving
 


the
   


$800
   

from me, he would 
ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and
 


that
   


upon
   

receipt I would 
have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the
 


length
   

of time allowed 
for payment to be suspicious.


4) A well-respected List member, and
 


professional
 

colleague of mine in 
Europe, was offered the same pieces and the
 


same
   

contract, at the same 
time, though for a different price.


5) My colleague has a reliable friend in
 


Russia
   


who
   

has established 
that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for
 


his
 

law office does not 
exist.


6) My colleague and I both declined to enter
 


into
 

any form of 
transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this
information so anyone 
else who is thinking of doing business with
 


him
   


will
   

be able to form 
their own conclusions before sending any money
 


to
 


Russia.

Anyone wanting more detailed information,
 


please
   

contact me off-List. I 
can tell you about another great offer I
 


received
 


from Nigeria  : )


Sincerely,

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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Illinois meteorite

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

I would like to make a profound announcement (out of character for me?).
Why don't all list members from Illinois NOT let us know when they have 
an object that is not scientifically classified until the rock comes 
back as a REAL METEORITE.If I brought it to the list each time 
someone brought me a meteorwrong, you would be bombarded weekly with a 
meteorwrong announcement.  I am quite sure that on a week to week basis, 
we would collectively receive around fifty or more meteorwrong suspected 
meteorite announcements if we all reported every rock that some joker 
brought to a list member hoping it was a meteorite. 
Please do not post to the list each time someone brings you a 
meteorwrong that hasn't been tested.

It wastes all of our time.
Dave Freeman
mjwy Rock Springs,WY

Mr EMan wrote:


Sigh...So we are back again to Irons having "fusion"
crust.  Sorry I don't see the "fusion" crust.  Crust
or no, this aborted art project does not have the
hallmarks of being a meteorite.

The statement that said this will be the 3rd Iron from
Illinois sure came across as a meteorite announcement
that just foregone formality of investigation.  The
Vision Rock was also not a scam or hoax in the owner's
mind.  


I guess we old timers are so cynical we'd demand a
bacteria count on the milk of human kindness.

Elton
--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


-- Forwarded Message
From: "Barb Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:09:34 -0600
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Illinois meteorite

Michael,
Please forward this message ... And thanks for
helping me til I have no
problems posting myself.


Dear List,

Nobody said that this is definitely a meteorite. The
man who found the piece
simply found it in his backyard while he was moving
soil. He brought it to a
rock shop because he thought it may be a meteorite.
He is NOT claiming that it fell through his roof,
crashed through a window
or anything like that.
The only reason that I told him it could be a
meteorite and that it was
worth testing is that it appears to have crust.

So, please relax. This no scam, no hoax, nothing of
the sort.

Bob Evans

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[meteorite-list] Fredericksburg & Dutch Flat

[Matson, Robert]

Hi Mike and List,

I can't speak to the pairing possibilities between the Fredericksburg
iron and the Richland iron, but I'm reasonably confident that the
Dutch Flat iron is not a repatriated Sikhote.  While Dutch Flat is
a "kissing cousin" to Sikhote-Alin for many (but not all) trace
elements that were analyzed, it is also quite similar to the
Ainsworth iron.  Morphologically, Dutch Flat is noticeably
dissimilar to Sikhote-Alin, so I'm inclined to believe it is
not transported.  Terrestrial age dating would resolve the issue
(since Dutch Flat -- if unpaired -- would almost certainly be
far older than 60 years), so if any researcher is interested
in carrying out such a test, I would be willing to provide a
sample from the small remaining mass I have.  --Rob

-Original Message-
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To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Meteorite-list
Sent: 3/19/2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons

Hi Michael
According to this article;
Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber, Heinz & Malvin,
Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781
They state in appendix B that : "The 47-kg Fredericksburg (Texas) iron
was first reported to us by a person living in Alaska, who stated that
it had been inherited from a deceased relative who lived near
Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows that, within error,
its composition is the same as that of Richland (Texas) iron. Both
irons appear to be strongly weathered. However, these two Texas
locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than plausible for a strewn
field. Our best guess is that human transport has been involved, and
that they are fragments from the same fall. Fredericksburg is not an
approved name; we suggest that this mass be referred to as Richland
(Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that it resulted from a
distinct fall."

They also have paired up several other irons but most well know is
Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired with Sikhote-Alin.


-- 
Mike
--
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fredericksburg meteorite and politics of science

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Dear Steve;
In both cases it appears as a case of this "consortium" thinking they 
were invincible and when in fact in the free enterprise world, money 
talks and well, we know what walks.   Maybe Mr. Wasson's consortium 
needed to be burned a time or two to learn a lesson. He who hesitates is 
lost, time waits for no one. Lead, follow, or get out of the road.

Very fascinating story!  Thank you for sharing!
Best,
Dave Freeman

Steve Schoner wrote:


To all,

Notwithstanding, I do not intend to step on anyone's foot now, but I
must weigh in on this issue.  Bear with me, this will be a long post...

First, I make initial contact with a Mrs. Hodges or was it "Hodge" (I
think one or the other was her name) up in Alaska.  She called me long
distance after seeing my meteorite identification site.  I can't
remember which year it was, but I think it was 1999.  She informed me
that her husband might have a 100 lb iron meteorite outside the house.
I was intrigued by her description of it.  I asked her why it was
outside, and she said it was used to prop up an ash can.  I told her to
send me a fragment of it.  She then said that it was solid iron and
would bend or dent rather than fragment.  I told her how one could
remove a fragment if it was sold iron.  Remove a piece with a carbide
hack saw. But do not overheat the piece as this would destroy the
crystal structure needed to identify it as a meteorite. Her husband did
as I instructed and I received a 190 gm end piece two weeks later.

Thoughts went through my mind.  This meteorite did not look like
Odessa. It's oxide was too thin, and the oxide surface of the endpiece
had some definite angular crystals where pieces had broken off, perhaps
in flight.  I thought, hexahedrite, or maybe an ataxite.  I was not sure.

So, I took a 20 gram sliver of the endpiece, polished and etched it.  I
then thought, hexahedrite, but maybe an ataxite.  I had no doubt that
it was a meteorite.

I called Mrs Hodges back with the information.  She told me that she
always suspected that it was a meteorite.  Then the subject of where it
was found came up.  She told me that it was found in Texas, but was not
sure where.  But since she was in Fredricksburg, TX she thought that it
may have been found near there.  She told me that when they moved to
Alaska they brought it up there as an unusual "rock."   But they did
not place any value on it so they used it as a support for an ash can.

I asked her to take it out of its place as an ash can prop and bring it
inside as it is quite valuable.  She said "really that ugly thing?  How
much?"

I told her I did not know as tests would have to be done.  After that I
would get in touch with her again.  Now, being that I was at the time
involved with Dr. Wasson on my abortive Meteor Crater project, I
contacted him.  After I told him I had received an iron from a person
in Alaska, he wanted me to send a piece to him.  I kept the larger end
piece and sent about 20 grams of the cut and polished section that I
had made from it.  After he got it, he contacted me by phone, very
excited that it was indeed a hexahedrite.  Now, Dr. Wasson had
established a "consortium" or interested institutions to purchase
meteorites that I sorted out of the thousands of meteorwrongs that I
regularly receive.

Now I will divert from the so called Fredericksburg, TX meteorite, for
a moment...

One of my "identifications" was the infamous "Lamont, KS Meteorite"  I
was the first to recognize it as a mesosiderite after its finder, Mr.
Haas send me a piece sometime in 1994.  Dr. Wasson's so called
"consortium" was to buy it.  And for my efforts I would get no less
than a mere 5% of the main mass.   Initially, all of it was to go to
the institutions as I was the one that originally recognized it.  I had
worked out a deal with Mr. Haas where we would obtain it for about
$10,000.  Dr. Wasson's "consortium" would forward to me the $10,000. I
would fly out and consummate the deal.  And according to our deal I
would get for my efforts, no less than 5% of the meteorite, that would
have worked out to 1.8 kilos.  Dr. Wasson then said to me that maybe we
should let the dealers know that "we had heads up" on this deal.  I was
not keen on that at all, as I thought that this could create problems.
I strongly advised him not to contact the dealers, as I was the one
that made the identification. But... Dr Wasson contacted Marvin
Killgore, and Bob Haag to let them know of our find.  Then no sooner
had this happened that Bob Haag flew out KS to see the meteorite.  He
offered $20,000 then and there.  Mr. Haas deferred, thinking that it
was worth much more.  Haas was "star stuck."  He even thought that this
meteorite could be worth $100,000.  I tried to talk him down from the
clouds to a more realistic value.  But the "auctions" began over the
telephone.  Dr. Wasson's "consortium" competed with Bob Haag and Marvin
Killgore with Mr. Haas as the auctioneer.  It was bad.  Bob Haag upped
the anti and o

Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi & Meteorite Offers from Russia

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[meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust

[Michael Murray]

Hi List,
Are you ready for a dumb question!  Here goes...  Is there a more  
definitive description of the blackened outer layer on the surface of  
iron meteorites than simply referring to it as "fusion crust"?  From  
what I can gather looking at different pictures of stonys, they seem  
to have a glassy or melted layer of the material of the stone.  I can  
see that being a 'crust'.  On at least some irons, there is a coating  
but it doesn't appear glassy, just blackened.   I'm guessing that  
that coating is partially resulting from burning of the gases in the  
atmosphere?  If it is a 'crust', it is not much of one.  It looks  
like a very thin coating of soot that is adhered to the stone,  
although more durable than soot.  This is probably one of those dumb  
questions that the Collection of Wisdom would answer.


The stone in this picture has the blackened layer I'm referring to:



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[meteorite-list] Mark Bostick`s chatroom tonight anyone?

[drtanuki]

Dear List,
  Anyone want to chat in Mark Bostick`s chatroom?  Now
open.  Thank you.  Dirk Ross...Tokyo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 40, Issue 77

[Gary K. Foote]

Uwe,

Where did you get this specimen?  Interesting...

Gary

> is anybody out there who can help me to identify the type of this stone ?
> There are no chondrules visible. Only very small metall points and veins. It
> attracts low to a magnet.
>  
> thanks, Uwe


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Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine

[Ed Deckert]

Thanks, Anne!  I really needed a good laugh today.

Ed

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Hello List,

This has just been pointed out to  me.

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=tatahouine&sfor=names&ants=&fa
lls=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mb
list=All&phot=&pnt=no&code=23884

Very  interesting:

(I believe we could all use a chuckle it this time)

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[meteorite-list] Final meteorite sale add (AD)

[steve arnold]

Good evening list.I added 2 more items to my small
sale.A 65 gram campo silicate and a 230 gram nwa 2965
individual.All pieces HALF OFF NOW!Everthing must go
to make room for more gao meteorites.Or if you want
everything,make me a reasonable offer.Off-list only please.

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Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

I think the archives will have a dozen pages of debate over this issue 
that was just recycled through the list about three weeks, three month, 
three season, three years ago We seem to have no  clear winner as 
the minority screamed louder.

Dave F.

Michael Murray wrote:


Hi List,
Are you ready for a dumb question!  Here goes...  Is there a more  
definitive description of the blackened outer layer on the surface of  
iron meteorites than simply referring to it as "fusion crust"?  From  
what I can gather looking at different pictures of stonys, they seem  
to have a glassy or melted layer of the material of the stone.  I can  
see that being a 'crust'.  On at least some irons, there is a coating  
but it doesn't appear glassy, just blackened.   I'm guessing that  
that coating is partially resulting from burning of the gases in the  
atmosphere?  If it is a 'crust', it is not much of one.  It looks  
like a very thin coating of soot that is adhered to the stone,  
although more durable than soot.  This is probably one of those dumb  
questions that the Collection of Wisdom would answer.


The stone in this picture has the blackened layer I'm referring to:



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Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust

[Mr EMan]

The "soot" coating you are talking about is mostly
freshly created magnetite (micro /nano crystals) from
the oxidation of iron whilst passing through the
incandescent phase.  It adheres by magnetism and can
be wiped off with rough handling.  There is probably a
carbon component however graphite turns to carbon
dioxide upon burning.

There are several other terms for the zone associated
with "ablation" heating, one of which is in the
literature: "zone of thermal alteration". When there
is  an oxidation coat of native elements such as found
on sodium or phosphorus it is sometimes called a rind.
This is what I favor to describe the coatings on
irons--the one before terrestrial oxidation also known
as rust.

In my view there can be no crust when the chemical and
physical characteristics of the surface do not differ
from the donor material.  That lets the door open for
irons having crust and at least most agree that it is
unlike the fusion crust of stoney meteorites.

While at the Smithsonian inspecting the collection up
close and personally, I was advised to use caution in
examining a fresh iron as the coating would rub off
easily. They didn't call it fusion crust but the issue
never came up. The point being, not everyone is in
agreement nor is there universal usage.

Critical analysis on the assumptions about fusion
crust on irons would likely lead to a more descriptive
table of composition and relate that to the metallurgy
and chemical composition of the meteorite itself. In
fact I believe research on crustal petrology would be
reveling for all types of meteorites. I yet wonder why
some lunarites have a brown bubbly crust. The crust of
a iron meteorite on Mars will be different from one
here and I'd like to know what to expect and why.

Intuitively, I know there would be rare minerals such
as nickel oxides,nitrates, phosphates  perhaps even a
sulphide and yes even O3 and O4 silicates.  However
current wisdom is that crust is crust ego no research
needs to be contemplated-NOT.

Some of the oft quoted god status experts who write of
fusion crust on irons monitor this list and have
remained curiously silent on the topic. I hope this
topic is thought provoking for all parties.

I suppose that the use of the term "fusion crust"
universally with respect to irons is acceptable if one
doesn't have a need for technical accuracy. One thing
yet to be refuted here on the list is that the "crust"
on irons is not composed of "glass".

Elton

--- Michael Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi List,
> Are you ready for a dumb question!  Here goes...  Is
> there a more  definitive description of the
blackened outer layer on the surface of iron
meteorites than simply referring to it as "fusion
crust"?  From what I can gather looking at different
pictures of stonys, they seem  to have a glassy or
melted layer of the material of the stone.  I can  see
that being a 'crust'.  On at least some irons, there
is a coating   but it doesn't appear glassy, just
blackened.   I'm guessing that  that coating is
partially resulting from burning of the gases in the
atmosphere?  If it is a 'crust', it is not much of
one.  It looks  
like a very thin coating of soot that is adhered to
the stone,  although more durable than soot.  This is
probably one of those dumb questions that the
Collection of Wisdom would answer.
 
 The stone in this picture has the blackened layer
 I'm referring to:

 Michael Murray
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