Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video
Hi Sterling, As you say the questioners in those surveys are as dumb as some of the respondents! - what sort of a question is 'The universe began with a huge explosion? True or false? Obviously its actually false not true (as stated) as the universe most likley started as an infinitely tiny event and it wasn't an explosion anyway it was expansion/inflation. Plus its technically still a theory (though fairly widely accepted) therefore answering it ''correctly'' it would naturally be impossible! Just goes to show - 101% of surveys are partially pointless! :) Mark F. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: 12 June 2007 22:49 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Chris Peterson Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video Hi, Chris, List, Wouldn't want to depress you further, Chris, but the YouTube commentators you single out are not the bottom of the barrel, in fact, they are the relative cream of the populace at large. Their errors are scaling errors, nothing more. They have never learned to think quantitatively. This something they share with 98% or maybe 99% of the population. They appear to have a rough idea of what a supernova, red giant, or galaxy is, instead of just saying Super What? or thinking it's a hopped-up old Chevy, or that the Red Giant is a figure in a video game... All three items explode, and they appear to be making scale-free identifications based on a visual image from a video source, which would mean they've watched PBS or lots of space opera movies. That's the cream. In 1950, a Gallup poll showed that 86% of Americans knew the Earth went around the Sun. In 1994, it was down to 53%, and I imagine it has dropped further since. Of those 53%, less than half knew that it took the Earth one year to do it. 65% did not know (or believe) that the last dinosaur died before the first human was born. 57% believed that electrons are bigger than atoms. And on, and on, and on... If you ask Americans if they believe that human beings came into being by developing from less complicated forms of life by a natural process without any intervention, 7% say Yes. (In China, the figure is 70%.) That was in 1994. Again, I'm willing to bet the US figure has dropped since. Someone who teaches an undergraduate astronomy class in a prestigious Ivy university (no names, please) says he still runs into students who do not know that stars rise and set (which would imply they don't know of or connect to the Earth's rotation) nor do they know that the Sun is a star. This is the cream of the cream of the cream, right? If Darren is right that these are most likely 12-year-olds, well, that's a good sign... isn't it? Or maybe they just grow up to be dumb. Eppure si muove... Wonderful Google. We always do better when we're given clear-cut choices. The latest data from the General Social Survey (2006): Question: Now, does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth? Earth around sun 73.6% Sun around earth 18.3% Don't Know 8.0% Refused 0.1% Followup Question: How long does it take for the Earth to go around the Sun: one day, one month, or one year? One day 19.0% One month 1.1% One year 71.2% Other time period 0.1% Don't Know 8.5% Refused 0.1% It is not known if anyone has attempted to measure the rotational rate of Mr. Galileo in his grave... Before we leap to the conclusion that it's just dumb Americans, we're actually doing better than Europe: http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind06/c7/fig07-07.htm These surveys are highly variable, and the questioning is lousy! The followup question implies a correct answer to the question that precedes it, so that the responder can deduce an answer more likely to fit the implied correct answer to the previous question. Neither does the GSS correlate the Earth go round the Sun answers with the 1 day answers. Are they the same people? Different people? No way to know. And the GSS is considered the premiere survey... See, everybody is dumb, even the people doing the surveys to find how dumb we are. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video Gosh, I hope my comment didn't come across as criticism of the posts made here on this list. It was the comments on the YouTube site- stuff like -this is a red giant -this is a supernova (or not, because supernovas are a few thousand km away and couldn't be seen, or not, because if it were a visible supernova we would all be killed by the radiation) -this is an exploding galaxy and lots of other stuff that nobody with even a basic education should be saying. Personally, I find it kind of depressing, considering how
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 13, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce
And the dog will never comprehend the world. Blah, blah, blah. The fleas will never comprehend the dog. Bill Paul Swartz __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Have Been Hit
http://www.longislandpress.com/?cp=53show=articlea_id=12193abuse-of-science/ Atlantis' Wing May Have Been Hit By Tara Powers Long Island Press June 12, 2007 NASA officials were alerted Tuesday to the possibility of a hit on the leading edge of the space shuttle Atlantis' left wing, in the same spot that resulted in devastating damage to the Columbia space shuttle in 2003. Officials stressed that there was probably no damage to the shuttle, although an inspection of the affected spot will be conducted to verify this. The sensors, which are located in two of the panels designed to prevent the spacecraft from overheating during re-entry into the atmosphere, were improved upon after seven astronauts perished in the loss of the Columbia shuttle. Impact from a small meteorite or a piece of debris may have caused the hit to register, even if no significant damage was sustained. A spacewalk is scheduled for Wednesday, during which astronauts could examine the wing more thoroughly if need be. Atlantis is currently orbiting the international space station, allowing astronauts to install new solar panels on the station and fix a thermal blanket on the shuttle's tail that peeled back during launch, leaving a gap that could potentially be a th reat during re-entry. Representatives from NASA's Newsroom and Public Inquiries offices were unavailable for comment. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite To Tour Kansas While Greensburg Rebuilds
http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6646881 Meteorite to tour state while Greensburg rebuilds Associated Press June 12, 2007 WICHITA, Kan. (AP) - Greensburg's meteorite will tour the state for the next few months while the town rebuilds from last month's devastating tornado. The 1,000-pound pallasite meteorite, 1 of the largest of its kind in the world, is insured for one million dollars. It was unearthed in 1949 and was 1 of Greensburg's claims to fame before a tornado destroyed much of the town May fourth. Yesterday, the space rock landed at Exploration Place, where it will be displayed for about a month. Greensburg officials have said the meteorite likely will travel to other places, including the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center in Hutchinson, until its hometown is repaired. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38
please take me off your list. Stefani Johnson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:01:45 -0400Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions tometeorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can reach the person managing the list at[EMAIL PROTECTED]When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest..."Today's Topics:1. Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Be Damaged (Darren Garrison)2. Re: Sky detonation video (mark ford)3. Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 13, 2007([EMAIL PROTECTED])4. Re: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce([EMAIL PROTECTED])5. Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Have Been Hit (Ron Baalke)6. Meteorite To Tour Kansas While Greensburg Rebuilds (Ron Baalke)--Message: 1Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:40:37 -0400From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Be DamagedTo: "meteorite-list" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciihttp://www.nbc4.com/news/13490740/detail.htmlSpace Shuttle's Left Wing May Be DamagedMeteorite, Space Junk May Have Struck PanelsPOSTED: 5:13 pm EDT June 12, 2007UPDATED: 7:00 pm EDT June 12, 2007WASHINGTON -- A meteorite or space junk may have struck Space Shuttle Atlantis'left wing, according to NBC News space correspondent Jay Barbree.NASA recorded a hit on reinforced carbon panels 7 and 8 on the left wing. Thepanels keep heat from re-entry from burning the spacecraft.A senior NASA official told Barbree that they do not believe the strike did anydamage, but will check the area to make sure.This is the same area where foam damaged Columbia's left wing and caused it tobreak up, killing its crew on Feb. 1, 2003.NASA will try to determine if the strike penetrated the leading part ofAtlantis' wing, Barbree reported. They have a highly sensitive laser/camera onboard that can be used by astronauts to take a look.If needed, astronauts can do a personal inspection during the space walkWednesday afternoon.Stay with News4 and nbc4.com for more information.Copyright 2007 by nbc4.com. All rights reserved. This material may not bepublished, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.--Message: 2Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:16:06 +0100From: "mark ford" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation videoTo: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comMessage-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Hi Sterling,As you say the questioners in those surveys are as dumb as some of therespondents! - what sort of a question is 'The universe began with ahuge explosion? True or false? Obviously its actually false not true (asstated) as the universe most likley started as an infinitely tiny eventand it wasn't an explosion anyway it was expansion/inflation. Plus itstechnically still a theory (though fairly widely accepted) thereforeanswering it ''correctly'' it would naturally be impossible!Just goes to show - 101% of surveys are partially pointless! :)Mark F.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf OfSterling K. WebbSent: 12 June 2007 22:49To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Chris PetersonSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation videoHi, Chris, List,Wouldn't want to depress you further, Chris,but the YouTube commentators you single outare not the bottom of the barrel, in fact, they arethe relative cream of the populace at large.Their errors are scaling errors, nothing more.They have never learned to think quantitatively.This something they share with 98% or maybe99% of the population.They appear to have a rough idea of what asupernova, red giant, or galaxy is, instead ofjust saying "Super What?" or thinking it's ahopped-up old Chevy, or that the Red Giantis a figure in a video game...All three items explode, and they appear tobe making scale-free identifications based on avisual image from a video source, which wouldmean they've watched PBS or lots of spaceopera movies. That's the cream.In 1950, a Gallup poll showed that 86% ofAmericans knew the Earth went around the Sun.In 1994, it was down to 53%, and I imagine ithas dropped further since. Of those 53%, lessthan half knew that it took the Earth one yearto do it. 65% did not know (or believe) that thelast dinosaur died before the first human wasborn. 57% believed that electrons are biggerthan atoms. And on, and on, and on...If you ask Americans if they believe thathuman beings came into being by developingfrom less complicated forms of life by a naturalprocess without any
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38
Strefani, To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This is the only way one can un-subscribe from the List -- on-line or by email. We are mere Listoids. De-Listing is too potent a Weapon of Mass-Mail Destruction to be proliferated among a World of unruly Listoids! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: stefani Johnson To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38 please take me off your list. Stefani Johnson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 38 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:01:45 -0400 Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 1685 CLASSIFICATION
Hi list.What is the latest on the nwa 1685 black nwa classification?I just another piece in trade.I just got a 67 gram endcut.These meteorites are just a beauty. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - last of my SNCs - Shergotty
Hi, I've a piece of Shergotty to go now - not sure of the weight but I reckon around 20mg - pics on request! As before, first to paypal me $200 ONO can have it! thanks for your tolerance on multiple Martian postings!! best Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Have Been Hit
Hello Ron; Thanks for the post,i always enjoy them.But i have noticed that nasa keeps calling meteriods meteorites when referring to a cosmic collision from cosmic debris upon the shuttle or ISS.If i didn't know better i would think a meteroid enters out atmosphere to become a meteor and strike the earth to become a meteorite and then bounce back out and strike the shuttle or ISS to cause damage.( just kidding there ron ).My question is;Doesn't nasa P.R. folks know the difference?Just keep seeing it printed that way and was curious. Thanks for all the effort you put into your very informative posts. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins
A while back I found a book/collection of papers called Chondrules and Their Origins on the web. It was split into 30 seperate PDF files. I took them and combined them together into one file, but it is too big to store on my 20 MB of web space, so I googled for free file serving services. I've found this one that I haven't tried before. You click on the link, wait for a countdown, and press the big yellow download button. http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=4849e8e03d9a7edae24d5df8866459b8 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Have Been Hit
But i have noticed that nasa keeps calling meteriods meteorites when referring to a cosmic collision from cosmic debris upon the shuttle or ISS. Hello Herman and list, The official NASA term I believe is MMOD (micro meteoroid orbital debris). I did a few Q A's with different astronauts a few years back on such. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/nasaQandA.html Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Kansas Meteorite Society IMCA #3166 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moss CO3.5 Micrographs are posted
Hi List, Paul, the editor of Meteorite Times, has loaded the Moss micrographs to my Gallery. I made 5 categories of micrographs; 160X standard Xpol, 160X combined, 400X standard, 600X reflected and 1600X reflected. 73 images in total. My Gallery link is http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-alpha_frame.htm I want to thank Paul for all his work in hosting and managing the Gallery. Now there are over 1,000 micrographs sorted by meteorite name and then by magnification/imaging techniques. That's a very big investment of time for Paul to put into this project. Please give him your feed back. Collectively there have been hundreds of hours invested. Please take a look, nothing is for sale at the Gallery. It is not a sales site and there are no weird pop ups or sales pitches, just micrographs, lots of micrographs. My passion is high magnification micrographs of highly polished thick slices of meteorites in reflected light. These images are quite unlike what many of you are used to seeing. I have also been adding a lot more standard Xpol thin section shots lately because Jeff Hodges has opened up his institutional sized thin section collection for me to examine. These are many of the best thin sections ever produced (both in quality and the meteorite). What a great opportunity for every one to get a close up view of them. Let us know what you like best and what you would like to see more of. Thanks, Tom Phillips ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moss CO3.5 Micrographs are posted
Tom, Your Moss (and other) photos are STAGGERINGLY beautiful! Paul Harris gives and gives and gives. He has donated hundreds of hours of work to people individually and thousands of hours of work to the meteorite community (along with Jim Tobin) in putting out METEORITE TIMES - not to mention FREE advertising for EVERYONE in the classifieds. He is as good a human being as can be found - in the meteorite community or anywhere else. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 6/13/07 11:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Paul, the editor of Meteorite Times, has loaded the Moss micrographs to my Gallery. I made 5 categories of micrographs; 160X standard Xpol, 160X combined, 400X standard, 600X reflected and 1600X reflected. 73 images in total. My Gallery link is http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-alpha_frame.htm I want to thank Paul for all his work in hosting and managing the Gallery. Now there are over 1,000 micrographs sorted by meteorite name and then by magnification/imaging techniques. That's a very big investment of time for Paul to put into this project. Please give him your feed back. Collectively there have been hundreds of hours invested. Please take a look, nothing is for sale at the Gallery. It is not a sales site and there are no weird pop ups or sales pitches, just micrographs, lots of micrographs. My passion is high magnification micrographs of highly polished thick slices of meteorites in reflected light. These images are quite unlike what many of you are used to seeing. I have also been adding a lot more standard Xpol thin section shots lately because Jeff Hodges has opened up his institutional sized thin section collection for me to examine. These are many of the best thin sections ever produced (both in quality and the meteorite). What a great opportunity for every one to get a close up view of them. Let us know what you like best and what you would like to see more of. Thanks, Tom Phillips ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
When Viking got to Mars, it found what looked like clear evidence of the shoreline of a vast ancient sea. Exciting. Later, closer looks show that the shoreline was not level; it waved up and down. Shorelines don't do that -- goodbye to the Seas of Barsoom. Geophysicists at UC Berkeley have created a simple model that explains the wavy wrinkled shoreline, and now it looks like the Ancient Seas of Mars are possible, even likely. This Ocean would have covered a goodly fraction of the planet and been 4000 to 6000 feet deep! Needless to say this is way too much water to have been lost to space by leaking out of the atmosphere, so the question is, Excuse me, but where are you hiding the ocean? Mars Probably Once Had A Huge Ocean: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070613131912.htm The full paper will appear in the journal Nature tomorrow, if anyone who wants it has access. Meanwhile, we can put a sedimentary Martian Meteorite on the list of things we want the universe to give us for Christmas. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strong Evidence That Mars Once Had An Ocean
Media Relations University of California-Berkeley Media Contacts: Robert Sanders (510) 643-6998 / (510) 642-3734 Additional Resources: Taylor Perron, (617) 495-4687 Michael Manga, (510) 643-8532 Mark Richards, (510) 642-5872 Jerry Mitrovica, (416) 978-4946 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 Strong evidence that Mars once had an ocean A paper in this week's issue of Nature by University of California, Berkeley, geophysicists demolishes one of the key arguments against the past presence of large oceans on Mars. Even from Earth, a large plain surrounding the planet's north pole looks like a sediment-filled ocean basin. In the 1980s, Viking spacecraft images revealed two possible ancient shorelines near the pole, each thousands of kilometers long with features like those found in Earth's coastal regions. The shorelines -- Arabia and the younger Deuteronilus -- date from between 2 and 4 billion years ago. In the 1990s, however, NASA's Mars Global Surveyor mapped the Martian topography to a resolution of 300 meters, and found that the shoreline varies in elevation by several kilometers (more than a mile), rising and falling like a wave with several thousand kilometers from one peak to the next. Because shoreline elevations on Earth, measured relative to sea level, are typically constant, many experts rejected the notion that Mars once had oceans. UC Berkeley scientists have now discovered that these undulating Martian shorelines can be explained by the movement of Mars' spin axis, and thus its poles, by nearly 3,000 kilometers along the surface sometime within the past 2 or 3 billion years. Because spinning objects bulge at their equator, this so-called true polar wander could have caused shoreline elevation shifts similar to those observed on Mars. When the spin axis moves relative to the surface, the surface deforms, and that is recorded in the shoreline, said study coauthor Michael Manga, UC Berkeley professor of earth and planetary science. On planets like Mars and Earth that have an outer shell, or lithosphere, that behaves elastically, the solid surface will deform differently than the sea surface, creating a non-uniform change in the topography, added primary author Taylor Perron, a former UC Berkeley graduate student now a postdoctoral fellow in Harvard University's Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences. Perron's calculations show that the resistance of Mars' elastic crust could create several-kilometer elevation differences for features like a shoreline, in accord with topographic measurements. The Arabia shoreline varies in elevation by about 2.5 kilometers, while the Deuteronilus shoreline varies by about 0.7 kilometers. This is a beautiful result that Taylor got. The mere fact that you can explain a good fraction of the information about the shorelines with such a simple model is just amazing. It's something I never would have guessed at the outset, said co-author Mark Richards, professor of earth and planetary science and dean of mathematical and physical sciences at UC Berkeley. Richards goes so far as to add, This really confirms that there was an ocean on Mars. Richards pointed out that the tilt of the rotation axis of a planet actually remains fixed relative to the sun, but the crust moves relative to this axis. The question remains: What caused Mars' rotation axis to move relative to the crust? Any major shift of mass on a planet -- within the mantle, or between the mantle and the crust to form a volcano, or even via impact from outer space -- could cause a shift of the rotation axis because a spinning planet is most stable with its mass farthest from its spin axis. Richards has modeled true polar wander in Earth's past that was generated by the upwelling of hot mantle in the interior of the planet, which some scientists claim shifted our planet's rotation axis 90 degrees some 800 million years ago, tipping the planet on its side. Perron, Manga, Richards and their colleagues calculate that on Mars, an initial shift of 50 degrees from today's pole, equal to about 3,000 kilometers on the surface, would be sufficient to disrupt the Arabia shoreline, while a subsequent shift of 20 degrees from today's pole, or 700 kilometers, would have altered the Deuteronilus shoreline. Interestingly, today's pole and the two ancient poles lie in a straight line equidistant from the planet's biggest feature, the Tharsis rise, a bulge just north of the equator that contains Mars' most recent volcanic vent, Olympus Mons. Tharsis is the largest volcano in the solar system, and formed about 4 billion years ago, not long after Mars solidified. Dynamically, the relative positions of Tharsis and the pole path is exactly what would be expected for any mass shift on Mars that is smaller than the Tharsis rise, since the planet would reorient in a way that keeps Tharsis on the equator. This alignment is unlikely to occur by coincidence, the team wrote. Manga has a hunch about the
[meteorite-list] Spitzer Searches for the Origins of Life
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=1396 Spitzer Searches for the Origins of Life Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 13, 2007 Astronomers suspect the early Earth was a very harsh place. Temperatures were extreme, and the planet was constantly bombarded by cosmic debris. Many scientists believe that life's starting materials, or building blocks, must have been very resilient to have survived this tumultuous environment. Now, NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has learned, for the first time, that organic molecules believed to be among life's building blocks, called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, can survive another type of harsh setting, an explosion called a supernova. Supernovae are the violent deaths of the most massive stars. In death, these volatile objects blast tons of energetic waves into the cosmos, destroying much of the dust surrounding them. The fact that polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons can survive a supernova indicates that they are incredibly tough - like cosmic cockroaches enduring a nuclear blast. Such durability might be further proof that these molecules are indeed among life's building blocks. Achim Tappe of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Cambridge, Mass., used Spitzer's infrared spectrograph instrument to detect abundant amounts of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons along the ridge of supernova remnant N132D. The remnant is located 163,000 light-years away in a neighboring galaxy called, the Large Magellanic Cloud. The fact that we see polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons surviving this explosion illustrates their resilience, says Tappe. These intriguing molecules are comprised of carbon and hydrogen atoms, and have been spotted inside comets, around star-forming regions and planet-forming disks. Since all life on Earth is carbon based, astronomers suspect that some of Earth's original carbon might have come from these molecules possibly from comets that smacked into the young planet. Astronomers say there is some evidence that a massive star exploded near our solar system as it was just beginning to form almost 5 billion years ago. If so, the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons that survived that blast might have helped seed life on our planet. Tappe's paper was published in the December 10, 2006, issue of Astrophysical Journal. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
Fascinating article from both yourself and Ron. It left me thinking I could have thought of that if only I were a little bit smarter as I knew all the mechanisms involved. To see what is right in front of your face is a constant challenge Meanwhile, we can put a sedimentary Martian Meteorite on the list of things we want the universe to give us for Christmas. Wouldn't that be something extraordinary? Problem is, would anyone recognise it as a meteorite if it had lost it's crust from lying around for a bit? I wouln't be surprised if one had already been found with crusts on but got discarded as clearly terrestrial. Rob McC Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle's Left Wing May Have Been Hit
Would this be hammer stones then? /Göran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ron; Thanks for the post,i always enjoy them.But i have noticed that nasa keeps calling meteriods meteorites when referring to a cosmic collision from cosmic debris upon the shuttle or ISS.If i didn't know better i would think a meteroid enters out atmosphere to become a meteor and strike the earth to become a meteorite and then bounce back out and strike the shuttle or ISS to cause damage.( just kidding there ron ).My question is;Doesn't nasa P.R. folks know the difference?Just keep seeing it printed that way and was curious. Thanks for all the effort you put into your very informative posts. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Russian Scientist Sifts Through Meteorites and Bricks
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/06/14/002.html Scientist Sifts Through Meteorites and Bricks By Kevin O'Flynn The Moscow Times June 14, 2007 A gigantic dragon fell down from the sky, terrifying all the people. In that moment the Earth shook and many people heard the noise. With these words, an extraterrestrial object made its dramatic entry into Russian history. The account appeared in the Lavrenty Chronicle of 1091, describing a hunting trip by Prince Vsevolod near Kiev where he witnessed the apparent fall of a meteorite. Close to 1,000 years later, samples of what may be that meteorite can be found in the Russian Academy of Sciences' meteorite collection, one of the world's oldest collections of meteorites. Once stored in the institute's nuclear bomb shelter, the meteorites are now in a new room in the meteorite laboratory. Mikhail Nazarov, a jolly grandfather of 58 and head of the laboratory, walked between two rows of rocks on a recent afternoon, explaining where and when they crash-landed in Russia. Every year, the meteorite laboratory, housed in the Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry on Ulitsa Kosygina, receives hundreds of possible meteorite samples found by ordinary people around the country. If they are lucky, one real meteorite will be among them. Pulling a box from the windowsill in his office, Nazarov revealed the latest sample sent in by a meteorite-searching hopeful. In most cases, it is enough to look at it, said Nazarov, dismissing instantly a sample from the box. One man recently sent in a brick. He thought it had fallen from the sky, Nazarov said, despairingly. Earlier that day, a lab employee had received a delivery of 5 kilograms of granite, he added, without much hope that the granite was not of this planet. The search has never been easy, said Nazarov, but the prize is worth the sifting, because meteorites allow scientists to examine life beyond Earth without ever having to leave the lab. Studying meteorites means looking back in time before Earth and the solar system existed. Ten percent of our understanding of the cosmos comes from the space program, Nazarov said. The rest is from meteorites. The pride of the laboratory -- a blackened lump that looks like it was broken off the top of a missile cone -- is kept in a small room on the second floor in the Museum of Extraterrestrial Objects. The lump is beloved because it matches the public perception of what a meteorite should look like. The meteorite laboratory traces its history back to 1749, when a 700-kilogram piece of iron rock was found near Krasnoyarsk and donated to the Russian Academy of Sciences. It took more than half a century before scientists realized it was from outer space. Today, the world's only monument to a meteorite stands near the spot where it was found. Even before then, there were plenty of tales of rocks hurtling through the air toward Russia. Meteorites were discovered in the tombs of the Scythians, nomadic warriors who roamed Russia more than 2,000 years ago. Anna Skripnik, who has worked at the institute since she graduated almost 40 years ago, explained that the discovery of a rock with large quantities of iron was a kick-start for civilization, giving people access to iron before mining was possible. Swords have been discovered in Egypt made from nonterrestrial metal. One of the most famous meteorite showers in Russia occurred in Veliky Ustyug in 1290. It is depicted in a famous 17th-century icon showing St. Prokopy saving the town from destruction with his prayers. Meteorites were seen as a warning for the people to mend their ways. Chapels were often opened at the sites of meteorite falls, and the meteorites were incorporated into the walls of monasteries. In 1860, the Orthodox church's synod gave permission to make a pilgrimage to where in 1290, as told by ancient tales, a cloud of stones fell. A still-worn path to an abandoned chapel at the site shows that people today make the pilgrimage. What to do if you find a possible meteorite o Chisel off a 10-gram to 15-gram sample. o On a piece of paper, write the date and location of the find; the weight of the sample; any peculiarities such as magnetism or the presence of metal; and a detailed description of how you came upon the sample. For example, I saw a fiery light in the sky, heard a loud noise and found an unusual stone or I found a heavy magnetic rock in a field while plowing. o Take a photograph of the sample. o Put the three items in a box and mail them to the meteorite laboratory at Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry, 19 Ulitsa Kosygina, Moscow 119991. Source: www.meteorites.ru -- On show at the museum is part of a meteorite that fell on the eve of the Battle of Borodino on Sept. 5, 1812, which the Russian side interpreted as a sign from the heavens that Napoleon's army would be defeated, which it was. The biggest and
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
--- samc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will* find either active or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime. Don't kid yourself Mark, I think you'd get better money if you put it on Mars being proven to be a lifeless lump of rock and always having been so. Did you ever do that calculation in physics where you work out the probability of all the air molecules in a shoe box randomly moving into one half of the box leaving the other half momentarily in a vacuum making the box half collapse? If not, it works out that the chances are that you have to leave the box for something like 10^20 times longer than the universe has been around for to have a chance of it happening or something ridiculous like that. My point is that random chemical production of complex amino acids is one thing but DNA is quite the other and how it manages to develop from a molecule to sentience is off any scale. A group of British scientists predicted finding life on extrasolar planets in the next 10 years in the last week. How presumptious is this??? You really have to believe that life will form wherever it can which is not the same as life finding a way to hang on (as it does on earth in nasty places, like rocks in antarctica, sulphur lakes in Yellowstone, mid-oceanic vents, the Gobi desert, New York, etc) I have started my stopclock. In 9 years, 11 months and 22 days I'm going to be sending Leicester University a big blown raspberry if my scepticism proves to be right and I REALLY think it will be. If I am as wrong as I could possibly be on this, send me a mail and I will send you a real, bonafide picture of me actually eating a massive slice of humble pie. (ohhh, geez, I hope proof isn't found next week) Rob McC 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
And, like a fool, I forgot to ask for a sedimentary Martian meteorite with FOSSILS! I mean, as long as you're asking, what harm could it have done? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: samc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will* find either active or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime. Great spot Sterling, thanks. Mark Rob McCafferty wrote: Fascinating article from both yourself and Ron. It left me thinking I could have thought of that if only I were a little bit smarter as I knew all the mechanisms involved. To see what is right in front of your face is a constant challenge Meanwhile, we can put a sedimentary Martian Meteorite on the list of things we want the universe to give us for Christmas. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1685 CLASSIFICATION
Patients Steve. We have preliminary results, which are way cool, and should have more findings in the next month or so. That's all for now. Cheers ;) Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 1685 CLASSIFICATION Hi list.What is the latest on the nwa 1685 black nwa classification?I just another piece in trade.I just got a 67 gram endcut.These meteorites are just a beauty. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins
Darren, You are my hero. I've been after something like this for months and dared not spend £50 on a book (it's a wife who doesn't understand the obsession thing). I will be eternally grateful. Rob McC A while back I found a book/collection of papers called Chondrules and Their Origins on the web. It was split into 30 seperate PDF files. I took them and combined them together into one file, but it is too big to store on my 20 MB of web space, so I googled for free file serving services. I've found this one that I haven't tried before. You click on the link, wait for a countdown, and press the big yellow download button. http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=4849e8e03d9a7edae24d5df8866459b8 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Basikounou report now online
Dear list, my colleage Matthias Baermann and I would like to announce the completion of the report on the Bassikounou meteorite fall. The text is now online at http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Bassikounou_Meteorite_1.htm Your comments and corrections are appreciated. Work on the Taxonomic Catalog on the masses recovered is still progressing. The catalog will be successively extended until the publication on July 1st. The authors are obliged to Dr. Beda Hofmann of the University of Bern, Switzerland and team for their diligent analysis of the Bassikounou material. Further to Hanno Strufe, Germany, for bringing the new material to the light of the public and for sharing his information on the find circumstances of the 3.165kg El Moichine mass. Dieter Heinlein from the European Fireball Network, Germany, was so kind to advise us on the correct interpretation of the fireball observations from Mauretania. With his help the authors were able to assign a fireball sighting from Adrar in Algeria to a different event and exclude a connection with the Bassikounou meteorite fall. The authors are especially thankful to Prof. Zelimir Gabelica and Tomasz Jakubowski for their tireless efforts to contact French, Belgian and Polish collectors respectively and to forward data on Bassikounou meteorites that were already distributed in private and institutional collections. In Mauretania, we would like to thank our local correspondent Mohamed Yahya Ould Abdel Wedoud, Publishing Director of Peace Newspaper, Nouakshott for collecting eye witness reports on our behalf and for providing background information on the fall area. Thanks for your support Svend Buhl Matthias Baermann www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Darren, You are my hero. I've been after something like this for months and dared not spend £50 on a book It's kind of old, but still worth reading. And if you want a print copy of it, look to pay close to $300 according to what I can google up. Here's where I found it: http://free-book.58search.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will* find either active or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime. Don't kid yourself Mark, Did you ever do that calculation in physics where you If not, it works out that the chances are that you have to leave the box for something like 10^20 times longer than the universe has been around for to have a chance of it happening or something ridiculous like that. My point is that random chemical production of complex amino acids is one thing but DNA is quite the other and how it manages to develop from a molecule to sentience is off any scale. Completely agree - but we're here to argue about it, right? So, given the universe has a greater than zero chance of life emerging (which I hope we can all agree on, even on metlist), it either happens in a tiny fraction of potential cases, or we're unique. Since I specifically mentioned Mars, I'd argue that the chances are somewhat higher than (arbitrarily) 10^20, because we share a common environment. I'm not positing panspermia (nor ruling it out); just noting the fact that we have a stable single star, a habitable zone which extended further out in geological time, and demonstrably a place where the right stuff emerged to do it at least once. I think Mars is a hot bet, and getting hotter by the year :) A group of British scientists predicted finding life on extrasolar planets in the next 10 years in the last week. How presumptious is this??? Probably pretty presumptious, I agree; but this species does tend to get a little excitable on this topic. I offer myself as a type specimen in evidence ;) You really have to believe that life will form wherever it can which is not the same as life finding a way to hang on Personally, I do believe that life will form, a lot of the time, in an environment where the conditions are right. You're completely right in about 'forming' vs 'hanging on' in a place where it's close to extant life, like sulphur vents vs rainforests - but as I say above, narrow the field of view. Maybe in our solar system, Mars is the sulphur vent to our rainforest? I REALLY think it will be. (ohhh, geez, I hope proof isn't found next week) I'll happily join you in humble pie and a decent pint if we ever get proof either way :) Hell, I'll buy you a pint anyway and we can argue till the cows come home 8) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
Hi Rob, Mark, and All, While I doubt that someone will be able to find/prove life on extrasolar planets during the next ten years I'm personally convinced that life itself is not that rare in the vastness that we tend to call our universe. Just imagine the billions of galaxies, each bearing billions and billions of stars, planets, moons, asteroids, comets with water and amino acids, sugar, and all the stuff necessary to plant the seed of life on more than one remote world that we tend to call our planet Earth. If the formation of life is THAT improbable, how does it come that WE are here? If you want a good read on this issue, try Christian de Duve's Vital Dust: Life as a Cosmic Imperative. No, de Duve's not one of those confused dreamers, he's a renowned scientist and a Nobel prize winner... and his book is a real blast. Maybe you will change your mind on what it takes to form life in the first place, from a biochemical point of view. Life rulez! Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will* find either active or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime. Don't kid yourself Mark, Did you ever do that calculation in physics where you If not, it works out that the chances are that you have to leave the box for something like 10^20 times longer than the universe has been around for to have a chance of it happening or something ridiculous like that. My point is that random chemical production of complex amino acids is one thing but DNA is quite the other and how it manages to develop from a molecule to sentience is off any scale. Completely agree - but we're here to argue about it, right? So, given the universe has a greater than zero chance of life emerging (which I hope we can all agree on, even on metlist), it either happens in a tiny fraction of potential cases, or we're unique. Since I specifically mentioned Mars, I'd argue that the chances are somewhat higher than (arbitrarily) 10^20, because we share a common environment. I'm not positing panspermia (nor ruling it out); just noting the fact that we have a stable single star, a habitable zone which extended further out in geological time, and demonstrably a place where the right stuff emerged to do it at least once. I think Mars is a hot bet, and getting hotter by the year :) A group of British scientists predicted finding life on extrasolar planets in the next 10 years in the last week. How presumptious is this??? Probably pretty presumptious, I agree; but this species does tend to get a little excitable on this topic. I offer myself as a type specimen in evidence ;) You really have to believe that life will form wherever it can which is not the same as life finding a way to hang on Personally, I do believe that life will form, a lot of the time, in an environment where the conditions are right. You're completely right in about 'forming' vs 'hanging on' in a place where it's close to extant life, like sulphur vents vs rainforests - but as I say above, narrow the field of view. Maybe in our solar system, Mars is the sulphur vent to our rainforest? I REALLY think it will be. (ohhh, geez, I hope proof isn't found next week) I'll happily join you in humble pie and a decent pint if we ever get proof either way :) Hell, I'll buy you a pint anyway and we can argue till the cows come home 8) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Meteorite List] OCEANS ON MARS
In a message dated 6/13/2007 7:56:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the formation of life is THAT improbable, how does it come that WE are here? Good evening Folks, H. Perhaps, it might too, be fairly argued that, blind is he/she that are so closed minded as to dismiss the possibility of the existence of God. Certainly, that possibility falls within that same probability that ...with billions and billions of stars, planets, moons, asteroids, comets with water and amino acids, sugar, and all the stuff necessary to plant the seed of life... life elsewhere is possible, Yes? Good evening to all, Paul Martyn Savannah, Georgia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Etching Estherville
Hello List! Anyone ever etch Estherville blebs? I just obtained a nice slice with a bleb about 20mm in diameter and we etched this and a faint pattern is seen. Is it possible that this is a Widmanstätten pattern? I am not sure if the metal melted and cooled properly to allow the kamacite and taenite to separtate. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 1685 classification
Hi list.I have been told that nwa 1685,the black meteorite,is going to turn out something very interesting.I do not know anymore than probably sometime next month we should have this very unique classification. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
Norbert Classen wrote: If the formation of life is THAT improbable, how does it come that WE are here? I agree with your point of view. We shouldn't be surprised that we find ourselves in a universe which satisfies the conditions necessary for our existence. (quoting a version of the anthropic principle) David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
AUTOBIOGRAPHY: random chemical production of complex amino acids is one thing but DNA is quite the other and how it manages to develop from a molecule to sentience is off any scale I don't see the problem. Structures are inherent in all matter, not just any structure: specific structures. In the case of carbon, they are complicated but just as determined by binding energies and electron orbits. From the beginning of the universe, they're BUILT IN, even DNA. The universe is just made that way. DNA is a polymer. Molecules polymerize all by themselves when exposed to energy, light, heat, dessication, a host of circumstances. Sugars and phosphates gum up, dry out, solidify, polymerize -- now they're chains. Aminos like to shelter in the lee of five-sided sugars, so chains of polymerized pentose phosphate collect aminos. All the chains are glopped up together -- if the aminos on one chain FOR A SHORT STRETCH match up with their opposite numbers, a section of two chains is joined as a 2-chain. The loose ends get broken off; short 2-chains bump into each other, join end-to-end; 2-chains get longer. Some long 2-chains don't have a good match between aminos; they don't last long; others do. Some, a few of the long 2-chains, have good enough matches that if they're torn apart, they re-create the missing half from around them. They have replicated. Some 2-chains, a few, can DO things, little meaningless things, that make them persist longer than other 2-chains. Those 2-chains persist and replicate while other patterns disappear. Some of these 2-chains collect highly polar molecules that are attracted to water at one end and repulsed by water at the other end. Soon, the 2-chains are surrounded by a rough sphere of polar molecules which crudely protects the 2-chains from the general environment while allowing some other smaller molecules to pass both ways. Some rough spheres allow more than one kind of 2-chain, even other active molecules, to occupy the protected volume, each doing some little meaningless chemical operation just happens to make them persist longer together than apart and longer than those that don't do as much, sometimes for hours, and then sometimes for DAYS by doing more meaningless little things all the time, and this just keeps going on and on and on, getting more complicated all the time, for the next, say, 10^17 seconds, and HERE I AM. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Mark Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; samc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will* find either active or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime. Don't kid yourself Mark, Did you ever do that calculation in physics where you If not, it works out that the chances are that you have to leave the box for something like 10^20 times longer than the universe has been around for to have a chance of it happening or something ridiculous like that. My point is that random chemical production of complex amino acids is one thing but DNA is quite the other and how it manages to develop from a molecule to sentience is off any scale. Completely agree - but we're here to argue about it, right? So, given the universe has a greater than zero chance of life emerging (which I hope we can all agree on, even on metlist), it either happens in a tiny fraction of potential cases, or we're unique. Since I specifically mentioned Mars, I'd argue that the chances are somewhat higher than (arbitrarily) 10^20, because we share a common environment. I'm not positing panspermia (nor ruling it out); just noting the fact that we have a stable single star, a habitable zone which extended further out in geological time, and demonstrably a place where the right stuff emerged to do it at least once. I think Mars is a hot bet, and getting hotter by the year :) A group of British scientists predicted finding life on extrasolar planets in the next 10 years in the last week. How presumptious is this??? Probably pretty presumptious, I agree; but this species does tend to get a little excitable on this topic. I offer myself as a type specimen in evidence ;) You really have to believe that life will form wherever it can which is not the same as life finding a way to hang on Personally, I do believe that life will form, a lot of the time, in an environment where the conditions are right. You're completely right in about 'forming' vs 'hanging on' in a place where it's close to extant life, like sulphur vents vs rainforests - but as I say above, narrow the field of view. Maybe in our solar system, Mars is the sulphur vent to our rainforest? I REALLY think it will be. (ohhh, geez, I hope proof isn't found next week) I'll happily join you in humble pie and a decent pint if we ever
Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Estherville
i have a 70 slice i bought form j. sinclair- it etched just like anything elseand never rusted, etc.,- very basic. just rinse well. etch definitely adds to the effect. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "tett" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] Etching EsthervilleDate: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:59:22 -0400Hello List!Anyone ever etch Estherville blebs?I just obtained a nice slice with a bleb about 20mm in diameter and we etched this and a faint pattern is seen. Is it possible that this is a Widmanstätten pattern? I am not sure if the metal melted and cooled properly to allow the kamacite and taenite to separtate.Cheers,Mike TettenbornOwen Sound, Ontario__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail
Hello all, Regards the images and test on this page relating to new HiRise image from Mars. http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/0984/ I reckon it's strange so many took someones word that there is NO detail in the BLACK part of the image without attempting to process the image themselves. Why there is a NASA statement that says NO detail visible in the black, when there clearly IS detail after processing is beyond me. This was done in a 2 step forward 1 step back process. All I manipulated were brightness, contrast, density. Here are the final two processed images. This data is from the full resolution 440 mb JP2 download. It appears that the camera scan lines are now visible as dark diagonal lines, there is a little more there as well, noise, dark image, Something anyway, not nothing. http://www.mediamax.com/vk3ukf/Hosted/KsBlackHole001.JPG and, http://www.mediamax.com/vk3ukf/Hosted/KsBlackHole002.JPG Regards Kevin. _ Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29219_t=762256209_r=june07_endtext_search_m=EXT __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chesapeake bay impactite
Hello list, Recently, I have added to my collection some impactite specimens from around the world that I have found really fascinating. I am inquiring about the Chesapeake Bay Crater. Can anyone tell me if there are any commercially available specimens of impactite from this crater? I know that most of what was found came from core drilling, which of course would never be for sale, however I was wondering if any exposed material or ejecta from this impact was ever located above ground, and available anywhere. I would guess that Georgiaites (tektites) would be in this category, but they seem elusive as well. Thanks for any info, as I am sure that if no one on this list knows, then there is none to be had. CharlyV No virus found in this outgoing __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:39:20 +1000, you wrote: It appears that the camera scan lines are now visible as dark diagonal lines, there is a little more there as well, noise, dark image, http://www.mediamax.com/vk3ukf/Hosted/KsBlackHole002.JPG Hm. Looks like the collapse has revealed part of an underground railroad, similar to the one dug beneath the US south by Harriet Beecher Stowe (author of Uncle Remus) during the revolutionary war. Might be a sign of past Martian slave trade... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins
Thanks for taking the time to combine the 30 seperte files into a single pdf. Made to download really quick and easy. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:31 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins A while back I found a book/collection of papers called Chondrules and Their Origins on the web. It was split into 30 seperate PDF files. I took them and combined them together into one file, but it is too big to store on my 20 MB of web space, so I googled for free file serving services. I've found this one that I haven't tried before. You click on the link, wait for a countdown, and press the big yellow download button. http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=4849e8e03d9a7edae24d5df8866459b8 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail
Hi, Kevin, List When I looked at your processed image and mentally subtracted the stitchlines and the periodic noise, what I saw was vague dark arcs nested inside each other toward a darker center. So I took your image and fiddled with it in the manner you described (luminance, contrast). Your processed image definely has a darker center. As you stretch the contrast, the center darkens more than the rest and so on, for a bigger and bigger dark center. Now, if this was a vast cavern under the surface and the hole was a skylight break-through, even if the floor was thousands of feet down, the center under the skylight would be faintly brigher than the edges, brightest at the center, the opposite of this. IF (that was a big if) the center is darkest and the circle near the center is next darkest and so on, it can only be interpreted as our looking down a very deep, relatively straight tunnel or pipe. Why would Mars have a vertical tunnel miles deep? A.) This feature is located on the slopes of a big volcano. Volcanoes frequently have side vents, vent pipes, lava tubes, a variety of geological plumbing extending from them that release volcanic gasses. B.) Please note that in the unprocessed photo of the hole, there is clearly a whitish stain or discoloration of the terrain that is plume-shaped and that extends away from the hole. Hot CO2 or H2O vapors might have produced the plume, but I think a sulfurous gas more likely (as frequently seen in Earthly volcanoes). Is there infrared spectroscopy available on this small scale? It would be worthwhile to identify the substance because we could then estimate long it would persist on the surface and correspondingly get an idea how recent the activity that deposited it was. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail Hello all, Regards the images and test on this page relating to new HiRise image from Mars. http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/0984/ I reckon it's strange so many took someones word that there is NO detail in the BLACK part of the image without attempting to process the image themselves. Why there is a NASA statement that says NO detail visible in the black, when there clearly IS detail after processing is beyond me. This was done in a 2 step forward 1 step back process. All I manipulated were brightness, contrast, density. Here are the final two processed images. This data is from the full resolution 440 mb JP2 download. It appears that the camera scan lines are now visible as dark diagonal lines, there is a little more there as well, noise, dark image, Something anyway, not nothing. http://www.mediamax.com/vk3ukf/Hosted/KsBlackHole001.JPG and, http://www.mediamax.com/vk3ukf/Hosted/KsBlackHole002.JPG Regards Kevin. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moss CO3.5 Micrographs are posted
Dear Michael and Tom, You two are too kind... FYI - I'm working on Tom's latest batch, NWA 094, and I'm just blown away by these images and Tom's ability. It's taking longer than normal because I find myself just staring at the screen instead of working :-) I'll do my best to have them up by tomorrow. Thank you! Paul Michael L Blood wrote: Tom, Your Moss (and other) photos are STAGGERINGLY beautiful! Paul Harris gives and gives and gives. He has donated hundreds of hours of work to people individually and thousands of hours of work to the meteorite community (along with Jim Tobin) in putting out METEORITE TIMES - not to mention FREE advertising for EVERYONE in the classifieds. He is as good a human being as can be found - in the meteorite community or anywhere else. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 6/13/07 11:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Paul, the editor of Meteorite Times, has loaded the Moss micrographs to my Gallery. I made 5 categories of micrographs; 160X standard Xpol, 160X combined, 400X standard, 600X reflected and 1600X reflected. 73 images in total. My Gallery link is http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-alpha_frame.htm I want to thank Paul for all his work in hosting and managing the Gallery. Now there are over 1,000 micrographs sorted by meteorite name and then by magnification/imaging techniques. That's a very big investment of time for Paul to put into this project. Please give him your feed back. Collectively there have been hundreds of hours invested. Please take a look, nothing is for sale at the Gallery. It is not a sales site and there are no weird pop ups or sales pitches, just micrographs, lots of micrographs. My passion is high magnification micrographs of highly polished thick slices of meteorites in reflected light. These images are quite unlike what many of you are used to seeing. I have also been adding a lot more standard Xpol thin section shots lately because Jeff Hodges has opened up his institutional sized thin section collection for me to examine. These are many of the best thin sections ever produced (both in quality and the meteorite). What a great opportunity for every one to get a close up view of them. Let us know what you like best and what you would like to see more of. Thanks, Tom Phillips ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail
B.) Please note that in the unprocessed photo of the hole, there is clearly a whitish stain or discoloration of the terrain that is plume-shaped and that extends away from the hole. Hot CO2 or H2O vapors might have produced the plume, but I think a sulfurous gas more likely (as frequently seen in Earthly volcanoes). I'm not at all certain that's the case. Certainly, if you look at a lower resolution image that's the impression. Look closely, however, and you'll see that the area above the hole is actually a different texture- apparently sand dunes on a ~10m scale, quite different from the surrounding area. My guess is that these are the product of a complex wind flow around the hole. I don't see anything to suggest that a plume from the hole is responsible (and it seems likely that the ever shifting sands would have long ago covered up a true material plume, since it's presumed that Mars has been volcanically inactive for a very long time). I have my doubts that the processed image is showing anything other than noise. The HiRISE team, working with ~14-bit data, couldn't stretch it enough to pull out anything above the noise floor (a parameter I'm sure they are familiar with). I certainly wouldn't expect that real details would be present in the much lower dynamic range JPEG2000 image. But even if there is some faint detail, there would be nothing surprising about it. The hole is probably an opening onto a lava tube, so it's likely the floor is not more than a few hundred meters down. Even at the low (38°) Sun angle, it's possible that enough light is making it down to allow for a tiny signal to be recorded. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail Hi, Kevin, List When I looked at your processed image and mentally subtracted the stitchlines and the periodic noise, what I saw was vague dark arcs nested inside each other toward a darker center. So I took your image and fiddled with it in the manner you described (luminance, contrast). Your processed image definely has a darker center. As you stretch the contrast, the center darkens more than the rest and so on, for a bigger and bigger dark center. Now, if this was a vast cavern under the surface and the hole was a skylight break-through, even if the floor was thousands of feet down, the center under the skylight would be faintly brigher than the edges, brightest at the center, the opposite of this. IF (that was a big if) the center is darkest and the circle near the center is next darkest and so on, it can only be interpreted as our looking down a very deep, relatively straight tunnel or pipe. Why would Mars have a vertical tunnel miles deep? A.) This feature is located on the slopes of a big volcano. Volcanoes frequently have side vents, vent pipes, lava tubes, a variety of geological plumbing extending from them that release volcanic gasses. B.) Please note that in the unprocessed photo of the hole, there is clearly a whitish stain or discoloration of the terrain that is plume-shaped and that extends away from the hole. Hot CO2 or H2O vapors might have produced the plume, but I think a sulfurous gas more likely (as frequently seen in Earthly volcanoes). Is there infrared spectroscopy available on this small scale? It would be worthwhile to identify the substance because we could then estimate long it would persist on the surface and correspondingly get an idea how recent the activity that deposited it was. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Great Global Warming Swindle Doc.
Well, I guess I'll contribute a bit to this off-topic discussion. But just a bit. Here are a couple of eye-opening films. http://leaningstraightup.com/2007/03/11/the-global-warming-swindle-video/ The Great Global Warming Swindle---By Britain's Channel 4 And Global Warming: Doomsday Called Off -- By the CBC at the same website. Very revealing. Rob Williamson __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming on MARS
Hi, meteorite lovers - I've been following the Mars global warming story, and am giving a talk on it Wednesday. Here's my take. Mars does appear to be warming, based on some erosion of the south polar (dry) ice cap, at least from 1999 thru 2003. The two papers on it are Malin et al. (2001) and Thomas et al. (2005). But, Mars' warming has nothing to do with climate on Earth (changing or not) - it is controlled by dust. The paper on this is Fenton et al. (2006). Basically, the hugest global dust storms on Mars spread dust all around, so Mars reflects more sunlight than before. More reflected sunlight means less absorbed sunlight, which makes the surface colder. Then, as Mars' normal winds blow, dust gets cleaned off much of Mars, and dumped in craters, behind rocks, and in other places that are already dusty. So Mars gets darker overall, absorbs more sunlight, and heats up. But heating increases the wind speeds, which eventually, over years, get strong enough to cause more huge global dust storms. And the process repeats. Makes sense to me. Allan Malin M, Caplinger M.A., Davis S.D. (2001) Observational Evidence for an Active Surface Reservoir of Solid Carbon Dioxide on Mars. Science 246, 2146-2148 P.C. Thomas, , M.C. Malin, P.B. James, B.A. Cantor, R.M.E. Williams, and P. Gierasch (2005) South polar residual cap of Mars: Features, stratigraphy, and changes. Icarus 174, 535–559 Fenton LK, Geissler PE., and Haberle RM (2007) Global warming and climate forcing by recent albedo changes on Mars. Nature 446, 646-649. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of rob szep Sent: Mon 6/11/2007 12:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Subject:[meteorite-list] Global Warming on MARS Guilt ridden LISTOIDS... So the Earth is getting a little warmer... That much is TRUE. The Earth has gotten warmer and colder, warmer and colder, long before humans were around to blame for the situation. Now that humans are around to blame, how much of that blame are we REALLY accountable for? Ten per-cent, fifty per-cent, one hundred per-cent??? Before answering, consider this FACT. The planet MARS, just like ours, is also experiencing GLOBAL WARMING. Who do the FINGER POINTERS plan on blaming for that. EARTHLINGS or MARTIANS??? I laughed my ass-off when I read the comment on the list about some humans moving to Mars. Be my guests... the more who split this ungroovey scene the better for me and others who remain. Hence, the REAL PROBLEM... Too many effin people on this planet. While the whack-jobs argue over who gets to be first in-line for the priviledge of manning the life-boats for a mission to Mars, I'm going to sit back, relax, have a cold beer or three... not the American horse-piss kind, the Canadian good-stuff kind... and watch the glaciers melt as I go down with the ship. For those looking forward to living on Mars... have a nice effin trip. Zep, over out... - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, 11 June, 2007 8:39:20 AM Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 26 Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Global Warming - Unscientific Proof (JKGwilliam) 2. Re: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or afarce (Michael Farmer) 3. Amazing coincedence,Off topic DEFORESTATION for Furniture. (Michael Farmer) 4. Re: Amazing coincedence, Off topic DEFORESTATIONfor Furniture. (Eric Twelker) 5. Re: ot - Global Warming - Scientifically proven orafarce (mark ford) 6. Re: Amazing coincedence,Off topic DEFORESTATIONfor Furniture. (mark ford) 7. Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 11, 2007 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8. Re: Global Warming - Scientifically proven (Rob McCafferty) 9. Re: Amazing coincedence,Off topic DEFORESTATIONfor Furniture. (Martin Altmann) 10. OT: Looking for Mark Earnst, urgent (Martin Altmann) 11. Re: Amazing coincedence,Off topic DEFORESTATIONfor Furniture. (mark ford) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:05:24 -0700 From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Unscientific Proof To:
Re: [meteorite-list] 7 plagues
Hot hail!!Oops... that was Ming the Merciless...Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.Tracy Latimerdum-dum-dum-dum-FLASH!!!-Oh-Savior of the Universe! (for all you Queen fans) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:32:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 7 plagues Give me The Rain Of Frogs anyday! Sterling (PS: Toads will do if you're short of frogs) --- - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Allan Treiman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 7 plagues on 6/11/07 2:11 PM, Allan Treiman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burning ice??? Is that in the Bible? - One of the 7 plagues of Egypt - Moses was one of those by any means necessary dudes. They were being held as slaves, you know. Lets see, they had: frogs grasshoppers Nile turned red Rained burning ice couple of others, including the cincher, which was the death of the first born son of every house - which is the basis of Passover, when the Jews painted their doors with the blood of a lamb to insure protection from same. I can understand if you didn't read the book, but didn't you see the movie?!! They show it on TV every Easter. Michael Could they have found some methane clathrate? aht Allan Treiman Lunar and Planetary Institute 3600 Bay Area Boulevard Houston TX 77058 USA 281-486-2117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 11, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Michael L Blood wrote: Hi Martin, Actually, many meteorites are reported to have killed people but none I know of that are available or close to having a solid provenience. One was discussed at length on the list just a couple of months ago - some Roman officer and a bunch of his men. I believe the Bible has more than one incident reported as well. Hell, I would like to have one of the frogs in formaldehyde from the 7 plagues of Egypt, not to mention the burning ice. A documented KILLER meteorite? I would buy all I could! (By the way, Dr. Deits, one of the first to propose continental drift in the early 1900s was quoted as saying he wanted to die being struck by a meteorite, then fossilized and recovered by future generations). Best wishes, Michael on 6/11/07 1:09 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from Andi Gren, who doesn't come through neither (well Andi, at least I would pay a good price for that L6, if it will hit a certain person in Illinois...just a joke): Hi Tim , List , all involved in this interesting treat, Your suggestion about the Asteroid wiping out half of the planet and then be sold on e bay brings me back to Meteorites. When I have seen the first time a picture from the Lady hit by the Sylacauga Meteorite, I was happy to know it's not reported a Meteorite ever kills a person. It makes our hobby in some way more peaceful. But I always asking my self what would happen if a Meteorite would kill a person? The Hammers and Cow killers are well paid and I know Sylacauga was very very well paid at a meteorite auction this year at the Tucson show. So would the Meteorite be the most expensive L6 ever been sold? Ore would nobody like to own a slice of a human killer hammer? Ok, I'm sure everybody would agree an impact kit is out of respect, but what's about the Meteorite, who would like to own a human killer Hammer? best greetings Andi We are a society that starves our grandchildren to feed our children. All the signs are there to prove that Mother Earth cannot take anymore of the pollution and the destruction we throw at her. We are seeing increasing numbers of Tsunami's, Volcanic eruptions and Earthquakes even here in England we are experiencing this. One really sad thing I see is one day an Asteroid comes and hits us and wipes out half the planet I see unfortunately some humans would try and drag the remnants of it away and attempt to sell it on Ebay because cash is all that is worshipped. Mike, Look at the positive side of this for our hobby and business... With Global Warming (that some doubt) the Arctic will have less ice, and our grass and farmlands lands will become deserts. Just imagine all the new meteorites that will become exposed and available to us collectors. And the prices will go down, too. But all of these benefits will be far outweighed by the economic impact of Global Warming that the Republican Bushites doubt. A natural cycle, some say, but look at the ice in the Arctic that environmental scientists are coring. It certainly shows a vastly greater increase in carbon dioxide emissions over the last 150 years that corresponds directly to human
Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video
While there are several reasonable explanations for what this video shows (I think it's probably a high altitude balloon rupturing), ... As I think more about it, I don't think it's a very high altitude balloon...but rather relatively close and thus not too big. I agree that it's probably a balloon of some kind. The reasoning, after it burst, the remnants fell fairly quickly...just like gravity would allow if it was something relatively close...like maybe no further than 1/4 to 1/2 mile. If it was several miles or more away, I don't think we would notice the sudden drop all that much. George Zay ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video
Yesterday I viewed a video on youtube that is utterly perplexing as to what is being videod. At first you seem to be viewing a stationary object in the sky near Venus, through a high powered lens or telescope, it is motionless for 10 - 15 seconds, then, suddenly explodes, and debris falls to Earth for quite a while. ?? Any guesses as to what it might be folks? Well...it looks like to me to be something with a relatively slow speed...roughly that of a balloon for example. It could be mostly coming or going away from the observer. If it's at a distance...like a quarter mile or more, and moving any direction, it will still appear near motionless for the 10 or 15 seconds of viewing. When it exploded, the pieces didn't appear to have any appreciable velocity other than what a falling object would have under the influence of gravity. Don't know what it was, but my gut is leaning towards it being a prank. A balloon carrying a bright object of some kind perhaps? The balloon could have been filled with hydrogen or natural gas and designed (or accidentally) to ignite at some point. It doesn't have the appearance to me to be something I'd get overly concerned with...unless it was a combustible over a dry brushy area. George Zay ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 11, 2007
I LOVE the pictures of the day and look forwad to each new one! Thank you so much for them! Suzi Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to thank ROCKS FROM SPACE for tirelessly and obviously, thanklessly, giving us a daily meteorite photo. To complain about something being given to one for free seems to me to be so rude as to be beyond comment. Thanks for the tireless work! Best wishes, Michael on 6/11/07 12:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/11/2007 10:14:41 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good Lord.. another unclassifed meteorite as Picture of the day? Yawn. There should be a rule. No unclassifieds as Picture of the day. Don Sorry you're disappointed Don but you know you don't have to view them if you choose not to! I post what collectors send me and if they want to share with others rather classified or not I see nothing wrong with it. I disagree entirely with the original post. That's a beautiful meteorite, and saying that it has to be classified to be worth showing is more of the where it This hobby is about the rocks! I find unclassified meteorites to be, at times, more interesting because there is still mystery left. I like nothing more than a beautiful different looking unclassified meteorite. Lets not forget where they all come from and not long ago (15 years?), the meteorite featured in the Picture of the Day would of drawn a lot of interest from nearly all in this hobby regardless of where it was found or if it had been pigeon holed yet. To limit ones interest to only the classified Hot ticket meteorites flies dangerously close to Pokemon card collecting. I have a Bulbasaur! Well that's nothing, my Bulbasaur is Base Set! I'm going back to the microscopes to examine some more mysteries. Who knows, maybe I'll find a Charizard! Tom ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran -- Success is not counted by how high you have climbed but by how many people you brought with you. Anonymous -- I have given two cousins to war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother. Artemus Ward -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video
It is hard to say what that was in the video. I am sure what it isn't though is a meteorite. Dana Hawn Louisville, Illinois - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 35
Re. Pix. of the day. Tom has the right idea. The space traveler is more important than the label! Rock on Tom! (Gerry Ascencio.) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:41 AM Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 35 Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 11, 2007 (Michael L Blood) 2. Has anybody built the GoldPic3 for meteorite hunting? (Michael Mazur) 3. something else to consider [global warming] (Jerry) 4. Alarmists are not new. (GREG LINDH) 5. Global Warming (Dave Carothers) 6. Iron Vampires from Outer Space! (Darren Garrison) 7. Re: Alarmists are not new. (Sterling K. Webb) 8. Ensisheim and vacation! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 9. Re: Global Warming and METEORITES (Sterling K. Webb) 10. Re: Alarmists are not new. (GREG LINDH) 11. Re: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 12. Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 12, 2007 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 13. givaways,thanks,ebay auctions(AD) (steve arnold) 14. AD French rarities for sale (update) (Pel? Pierre-Marie) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:11:50 -0700 From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 11, 2007 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I want to thank ROCKS FROM SPACE for tirelessly ? and obviously, thanklessly, giving us a daily meteorite photo. To complain about something being given to one for free seems to me to be so rude as to be beyond comment. Thanks for the tireless work! Best wishes, Michael on 6/11/07 12:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/11/2007 10:14:41 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good Lord.. another unclassifed meteorite as Picture of the day? Yawn. There should be a rule. No unclassifieds as Picture of the day. Don Sorry you're disappointed Don but you know you don't have to view them if you choose not to! I post what collectors send me and if they want to share with others rather classified or not I see nothing wrong with it. I disagree entirely with the original post. That's a beautiful meteorite, and saying that it has to be classified to be worth showing is more of the where it This hobby is about the rocks! I find unclassified meteorites to be, at times, more interesting because there is still mystery left. I like nothing more than a beautiful different looking unclassified meteorite. Lets not forget where they all come from and not long ago (15 years?), the meteorite featured in the Picture of the Day would of drawn a lot of interest from nearly all in this hobby regardless of where it was found or if it had been pigeon holed yet. To limit ones interest to only the classified Hot ticket meteorites flies dangerously close to Pokemon card collecting. I have a Bulbasaur! Well that's nothing, my Bulbasaur is Base Set! I'm going back to the microscopes to examine some more mysteries. Who knows, maybe I'll find a Charizard! Tom ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran -- Success is not counted by how high you have climbed but by how many people you brought with you. ? Anonymous -- I have given two cousins to war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother. Artemus Ward -- -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/attachments/20070611/0ec93d54/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:14:12 +0200 From: Michael Mazur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Has anybody built the GoldPic3 for meteorite hunting? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed I'm just wondering if anyone has built the GoldPic3 PI metal detector (
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Chondrules and Their Origins
Yes, thank you so much for the hard work and wonderful gift! Suzi Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins Darren, You are my hero. I've been after something like this for months and dared not spend £50 on a book (it's a wife who doesn't understand the obsession thing). I will be eternally grateful. Rob McC A while back I found a book/collection of papers called Chondrules and Their Origins on the web. It was split into 30 seperate PDF files. I took them and combined them together into one file, but it is too big to store on my 20 MB of web space, so I googled for free file serving services. I've found this one that I haven't tried before. You click on the link, wait for a countdown, and press the big yellow download button. http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=4849e8e03d9a7edae24d5df8866459b8 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 11, 2007
Hi Don and List, An unclassified METEORITE is first a meteorite and secondly unClassified. If it's not a meteorite it's a meteorwrong! Never was, never will be. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Don Rawlings To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 11,2007 Is an unclassified meteorite really a meteorite without scientific verification? Or is it just a probable meteorite? Don. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/11/2007 8:41:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good Lord.. another unclassifed meteorite as Picture of the day? Yawn. There should be a rule. No unclassifieds as Picture of the day. Don Sorry you're disappointed Don but you know you don't have to view them if you choose not to! I post what collectors send me and if they want to share with others rather classified or not I see nothing wrong with it. Sincerely, Michael Johnson ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Don Rawlings -- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules and Their Origins
Thanks Darren: This is why I joined this group. Greg S. Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A while back I found a book/collection of papers called Chondrules and Their Origins on the web. It was split into 30 seperate PDF files. I took them and combined them together into one file, but it is too big to store on my 20 MB of web space, so I googled for free file serving services. I've found this one that I haven't tried before. You click on the link, wait for a countdown, and press the big yellow download button. http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=4849e8e03d9a7edae24d5df8866459b8 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Russians bearing Seimchan
Magadan news say that really at night 6/7 of June from the regional museum a piece of Seymchan meteorite was stolen. It was 7255 grams. There is criminal investigation now. They say that it could be after a TV program with stupid words about very high prices for the meteorites on black market... no comments... Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:41:51 -0600Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Russians bearing Seimchan Very strange that it is a new from Bulgarian site. Nothing from Russian side - I just searched the net.If I'll find some details I'll try to forward them to all.All the best,Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:08:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Russians bearing Seimchan http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=81664 Chunk of Meteorite Stolen from Russian Museum 9 June 2007, Saturday A chunk of a meteorite weighing over 7 kilograms has been stolen from a museum in the remote Magadan Region in Russia's Far East on Saturday. A local Interior Ministry spokesperson explained the thieves broke into a history museum in the village of Seimchan at night and stole a part of the meteorite named after the residential place. It is supposed that the offenders have been inspired by a recent TV program, which discussed the high value of meteorite pieces on Russia's black market. The Seimchan meteorite was found in 1967 near the Seimchan gold mine in the Magadan Region. The local police authorities are still investigating the case. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. Make it count! _ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Basikounou report now online
well, from 3 kg. total mass say from the first dealers to the 26 kg. of now its a big difference, in fact like to the usual one the price from 6 euro for gram offer in the first time, now is go to $3/gr. and under for big pieceslast time I buy a meteorite without real info on total weight.. Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dear list, my colleage Matthias Baermann and I would like to announce the completion of the report on the Bassikounou meteorite fall. The text is now online at http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Bassikounou_Meteorite_1.htm Your comments and corrections are appreciated. Work on the Taxonomic Catalog on the masses recovered is still progressing. The catalog will be successively extended until the publication on July 1st. The authors are obliged to Dr. Beda Hofmann of the University of Bern, Switzerland and team for their diligent analysis of the Bassikounou material. Further to Hanno Strufe, Germany, for bringing the new material to the light of the public and for sharing his information on the find circumstances of the 3.165kg El Moichine mass. Dieter Heinlein from the European Fireball Network, Germany, was so kind to advise us on the correct interpretation of the fireball observations from Mauretania. With his help the authors were able to assign a fireball sighting from Adrar in Algeria to a different event and exclude a connection with the Bassikounou meteorite fall. The authors are especially thankful to Prof. Zelimir Gabelica and Tomasz Jakubowski for their tireless efforts to contact French, Belgian and Polish collectors respectively and to forward data on Bassikounou meteorites that were already distributed in private and institutional collections. In Mauretania, we would like to thank our local correspondent Mohamed Yahya Ould Abdel Wedoud, Publishing Director of Peace Newspaper, Nouakshott for collecting eye witness reports on our behalf and for providing background information on the fall area. Thanks for your support Svend Buhl Matthias Baermann www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video
I've personally seen weather balloons burst two times, and this is exactly what they look like- a bright point (visible as an extended object through a telescope), that suddenly fragments, the pieces falling downwards relatively fast. There's no combustion, just reflective mylar balloon material reflecting the Sun. BTW, if the clock in the camera was correct, Venus was well below the horizon when the video was made. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sky detonation video Yesterday I viewed a video on youtube that is utterly perplexing as to what is being videod. At first you seem to be viewing a stationary object in the sky near Venus, through a high powered lens or telescope, it is motionless for 10 - 15 seconds, then, suddenly explodes, and debris falls to Earth for quite a while. ?? Any guesses as to what it might be folks? Well...it looks like to me to be something with a relatively slow speed...roughly that of a balloon for example. It could be mostly coming or going away from the observer. If it's at a distance...like a quarter mile or more, and moving any direction, it will still appear near motionless for the 10 or 15 seconds of viewing. When it exploded, the pieces didn't appear to have any appreciable velocity other than what a falling object would have under the influence of gravity. Don't know what it was, but my gut is leaning towards it being a prank. A balloon carrying a bright object of some kind perhaps? The balloon could have been filled with hydrogen or natural gas and designed (or accidentally) to ignite at some point. It doesn't have the appearance to me to be something I'd get overly concerned with...unless it was a combustible over a dry brushy area. George Zay __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail
Darren, Are you really that history challenged? The underground railroad was not underground. Stowe wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin and it was the Civil War not the Revolutionary War. Dan - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:39:20 +1000, you wrote: It appears that the camera scan lines are now visible as dark diagonal lines, there is a little more there as well, noise, dark image, http://www.mediamax.com/vk3ukf/Hosted/KsBlackHole002.JPG Hm. Looks like the collapse has revealed part of an underground railroad, similar to the one dug beneath the US south by Harriet Beecher Stowe (author of Uncle Remus) during the revolutionary war. Might be a sign of past Martian slave trade... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Cave Entrance Detail
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:49:38 -0600, you wrote: Darren, Are you really that history challenged? The underground railroad was not underground. Yeah, right. Next you'll be telling me that there was no Negro Space Program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
