Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Availability
Don, have you somehow missed the 1000 or so emails abotu Carancas since the fall? I came home with 300 grams, of which 100 grams was dust. There is not much to go around, we are now firming up the total material collected to be in the 10 kilogram range, including some kilos of dust! That does not leave much for collectors. The majority of the material has been sold privately to scientists, collectors and some museums. I have pieces, I purchased with a partner most of the material avaialable at the Munich show, brought by some South Americans. I left them the dust, it is not so interesting for me, especially since they wanted the same price per gram, with or without, so I did not buy it. I will be home from Germany tonight, so contact me tomorrow, and we can hook you up. Michael Farmer --- Don Merchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone explain something here. How much of > Carancas is available to > collectors? I would assume that since it's fall in > mid September (almost 2 > months now) that there would be more availability in > acquiring this > meteorite. I see several on EBay but I am leery when > reading auctions that > state no guarantee the material is guaranteed to be > of meteorite material as > they were collected by towns people and then sold to > some EBay sellers. I > have not seen any big name dealer/collectors with > any of this material on > their sites or on EBay for that matter and this > after 2 months. I perceived > there was plenty of this material to go around and > yet see very little being > offered. Any explanations to why this is. > Thanks > Don Merchant > IMCA #0960 > P.S. If any (reputable dealers I know and know me) > one has a 1 to 2 gm with > crust for offer please email me off list to > negotiate > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comet surprise makes it visible to naked eye
Hi, All, A good frosty cold front today, superclear skies, and Comet Holmes just keeps getting bigger and bigger, more obvious to the naked eye all the time. As a naked eye object, it's about half the size of the Full Moon. In the 7-degree field of my 7x50's, it looks like a gigantic dandelion seedhead. It's hard to assign a magnitude to an extended object, but I would say it's wonderfully BRIGHT. Very little visible internal detail, background stars easily visible through its delicate veil -- it's hard not to just regard it as an aesthetic object, a giant geometrical abstract sculpture of light. Sometimes the universe just wants to do a big gee-whiz-golly object for us. Here's pages and pages of pictures of Comet Holmes: http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_holmes_page8.htm That links you to page eight of thumbnails; there's a fine shot by Ginger Mayfield if you scroll down. It's fascinating how many different ways astrophotographers have found of bringing out different aspects of the comet (since no one photo can show them all). A very clear and legible map that shows the path of Comet Holmes as it makes its retrograde loop through Perseus http://lunarplanner.com/Snippets/snippet.07.11.01-CometHolmes.html (Even if the website is junk, the chart is well-done.) The comet is heading for a close pass of Mirphak or Mirfaq or whatever (alpha Persei). If I had the software, I could see if the coma will "cover" the star or not (and the date, in another week or so), but no way to know how big the coma will be in a week. On January 22, 2008, it will pass very near to Algol (beta Persei), and if it still has a big fluffy coma then, we will get a view of a bright "named" star through the coma. A prescient individual might take a spectra of Algol before and during this event and by subtraction, have a transmission spectrum of the coma. The comet does have a tail now, and inner and outer coma, a nucleus, a bright jet, and all the usual features of a comet, but the tail is angled away so we look at it on a 17-degree off-axis line of sight, and the fine details are impossible without a really big 'scope and good seeing. Here's a picture that shows all: http://datastore.astrofoto.es/holmesmax.jpg (Being 2000+ meters up in the mountains helps, too...) Beautiful comet. Given its unique appearance and its unique behavior, it would be ridiculous to try and apply the "usual" rules of comet behavior (if there are any) to this one! So, who knows what a week or a month or more will bring? Nobody really. I hope it just keeps on growing and surprises us all. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet surprise makes it visible to naked eye http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/11/05/brighter.comet.ap/index.html KNOXVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A comet that unexpectedly brightened in the last couple of weeks and is now visible to the naked eye is attracting professional and amateur interest. [image] Comet 17P/Holmes is seen among the stars of the constellation Perseus in the North-Eastern sky. Paul Lewis, director of astronomy outreach at the University of Tennessee, is drawing students to the roof of the Nielsen Physics Building for special viewings of Comet 17P/Holmes. The comet is exploding and its coma, a cloud of gas and dust illuminated by the sun, has grown to be bigger than the planet Jupiter. The comet lacks the tail usually associated with such celestial bodies but can be seen in the northern sky, in the constellation Perseus, as a fuzzy spot of light about as bright as the stars in the Big Dipper. "This is truly a celestial surprise," Lewis said. "Absolutely amazing." Until October 23, the comet had been visible to modern astronomers only with a telescope, but that night it suddenly erupted and expanded. A similar burst in 1892 led to the comet's discovery by Edwin Holmes. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event to witness, along the lines of when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 smashed into Jupiter back in 1994," Lewis said. Scientists speculate the comet has exploded because there are sinkholes in its nucleus, giving it a honeycomb-like structure. The collapse exposed comet ice to the sun, which transformed the ice into gas. "What comets do when they are near the sun is very unpredictable," Lewis said. "We expect to see a coma cloud and a tail, but this is more like an explosion, and we are seeing the bubble of gas and dust as it expands away from the center of the blast." Experts aren't sure how long the comet's show will last but estimate it could be weeks if not months. Using a telescope or binoculars help bring the comet's details into view, they said. E-mail to a friend Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redist
[meteorite-list] AD....LA 001 Martian Meteorite Extravaganza (correction)
Hi List. Just wanted all of you to know I listed a small micro piece of the super rare LA 001 Martian Meteorite on EBay. Also is a Comet coin of Halley's comet .999 pure silver and very beautiful. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160176791840&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160176809342&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006 Hope I did not offend anyone as I do not often advertise this way but these items are very rarely seen on EBay and did not want anyone to miss a rare opportunity of these items listed. Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA # 0960 Sorry for the repeat as a few List members kindly pointed out proper protocol. Having a brain fart all day so accept my apologies. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LA 001 Martian Meteorite
Hi List. Just wanted all of you to know I listed a small piece of the super rare LA 001 Martian Meteorite on EBay. Also is a Comet coin of Halley's comet .999 pure silver and very beautiful. Hope I did not offend anyone as I do not often advertise this way but these items are very rarely seen on EBay and did not want anyone to miss a rare opportunity of these items listed. Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA # 0960 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas Availability
Hi List. Just wanted to thank all that responded with their kind emails related to my question. I thank all of you. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Polarizing Microscope Lomo Polam P-211
Is this the 'scope? The link at the right is for a P-211M. http://www.lomo.ru/site/catalog/view_main.cgi?l0=1&l1=18&cid=18 - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Brown Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:27 PM To: Meteorite Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Polarizing Microscope Lomo Polam P-211 Hello Listees, OK this is a gloat. However, there is also a request for assistance. I just scored a compound polarizing mineralogical microscope that I am trying to learn some more about. I am trying to find a users manual and a service manual (preferably in english, but any language is more than I have now). The good part is that I got this microscope for $50. The down side is that the eyepieces are replacements. The objectives are also replacements and there are only 2 objectives. A through search of the web has turned up very little information and no hint of a manual. Can any of you help me learn anything more about this microscope? I contacted the good folks at Lomo USA and they tell me that this microscope was never supported in the US market and that they can offer no help or support. I am appealing to the international members of this list for any help they might be able to offer. Thank You and Best Regards, Patrick Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about Polarizing Microscope Lomo Polam P-211
Hello Listees, OK this is a gloat. However, there is also a request for assistance. I just scored a compound polarizing mineralogical microscope that I am trying to learn some more about. I am trying to find a users manual and a service manual (preferably in english, but any language is more than I have now). The good part is that I got this microscope for $50. The down side is that the eyepieces are replacements. The objectives are also replacements and there are only 2 objectives. A through search of the web has turned up very little information and no hint of a manual. Can any of you help me learn anything more about this microscope? I contacted the good folks at Lomo USA and they tell me that this microscope was never supported in the US market and that they can offer no help or support. I am appealing to the international members of this list for any help they might be able to offer. Thank You and Best Regards, Patrick Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comet surprise makes it visible to naked eye
Gee wiz, Impact?! I feel like Gene Schomaker trying to get everyone's attention. Lunar, Jupiter, Earth, Mercury, many of the outer planets and their moons but not a Comet. I'm just hypothesizing here but is this some kind of precedent that must be ruled out because OBSERVATION of an event has not been SCIENFICICALLY documented! Wow, where's the imagination in all that??! OK, roll of the LAWS of average. I'll retire but I just had to have a say. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet surprise makes it visible to naked eye http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/11/05/brighter.comet.ap/index.html KNOXVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A comet that unexpectedly brightened in the last couple of weeks and is now visible to the naked eye is attracting professional and amateur interest. [image] Comet 17P/Holmes is seen among the stars of the constellation Perseus in the North-Eastern sky. Paul Lewis, director of astronomy outreach at the University of Tennessee, is drawing students to the roof of the Nielsen Physics Building for special viewings of Comet 17P/Holmes. The comet is exploding and its coma, a cloud of gas and dust illuminated by the sun, has grown to be bigger than the planet Jupiter. The comet lacks the tail usually associated with such celestial bodies but can be seen in the northern sky, in the constellation Perseus, as a fuzzy spot of light about as bright as the stars in the Big Dipper. "This is truly a celestial surprise," Lewis said. "Absolutely amazing." Until October 23, the comet had been visible to modern astronomers only with a telescope, but that night it suddenly erupted and expanded. A similar burst in 1892 led to the comet's discovery by Edwin Holmes. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event to witness, along the lines of when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 smashed into Jupiter back in 1994," Lewis said. Scientists speculate the comet has exploded because there are sinkholes in its nucleus, giving it a honeycomb-like structure. The collapse exposed comet ice to the sun, which transformed the ice into gas. "What comets do when they are near the sun is very unpredictable," Lewis said. "We expect to see a coma cloud and a tail, but this is more like an explosion, and we are seeing the bubble of gas and dust as it expands away from the center of the blast." Experts aren't sure how long the comet's show will last but estimate it could be weeks if not months. Using a telescope or binoculars help bring the comet's details into view, they said. E-mail to a friend Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day
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[meteorite-list] Comet surprise makes it visible to naked eye
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/11/05/brighter.comet.ap/index.html KNOXVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A comet that unexpectedly brightened in the last couple of weeks and is now visible to the naked eye is attracting professional and amateur interest. [image] Comet 17P/Holmes is seen among the stars of the constellation Perseus in the North-Eastern sky. Paul Lewis, director of astronomy outreach at the University of Tennessee, is drawing students to the roof of the Nielsen Physics Building for special viewings of Comet 17P/Holmes. The comet is exploding and its coma, a cloud of gas and dust illuminated by the sun, has grown to be bigger than the planet Jupiter. The comet lacks the tail usually associated with such celestial bodies but can be seen in the northern sky, in the constellation Perseus, as a fuzzy spot of light about as bright as the stars in the Big Dipper. "This is truly a celestial surprise," Lewis said. "Absolutely amazing." Until October 23, the comet had been visible to modern astronomers only with a telescope, but that night it suddenly erupted and expanded. A similar burst in 1892 led to the comet's discovery by Edwin Holmes. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event to witness, along the lines of when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 smashed into Jupiter back in 1994," Lewis said. Scientists speculate the comet has exploded because there are sinkholes in its nucleus, giving it a honeycomb-like structure. The collapse exposed comet ice to the sun, which transformed the ice into gas. "What comets do when they are near the sun is very unpredictable," Lewis said. "We expect to see a coma cloud and a tail, but this is more like an explosion, and we are seeing the bubble of gas and dust as it expands away from the center of the blast." Experts aren't sure how long the comet's show will last but estimate it could be weeks if not months. Using a telescope or binoculars help bring the comet's details into view, they said. E-mail to a friend Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The latest Carancas estimate from Peruvian geniuses
"The say that nothing is left in the crater, and they are going to spend $10,000 to protect the crater. Interesting, since the water table will only rise with the rains, and melt the mud." Interesting indeed. Let me be optimistic. I would believe the Peruvian cross-functional team of geologists, engineers and foreign scientists, which will begin this work on November 8 has a good chance of success if the collaboration works out. The article mentions that the money is being spent to change the course of the underground riverbed which the crater sits in, and I think this would be a proven technique where competent water management is a national priority and very important in mining, and Peru has quite a history. Then they would simply stabilize the structure from rain and run-off somehow by covering it with a big enough roof. The belief apparently is that the crater then would dry out and could be saved as a future renewable resource (tourism). Nearly 10,000 square km in The Florida Everglades was drained by the Army Corps of Engineers, so stupider things have definitely suceeded before. This sounds like a good idea that could work. More than anything success will depend on the gradient followed by the water. A shallow gradient will be much harder to save and just leave an amorphous hoole as time develops. That may even suit the needs of the typical tourist who puts another interesting site to vist on the itinerary, and adds $10 US every time to several people who can use it. That basketball comment is really, really odd. Though, that may give the scientific team some peace to work unencumbered by would-be-fortune-huntersby now, probably half of the population of the country, bent on raising one ton of material believed to be worth US One Hundred Million Dollars at current "retail" pricing. The articles also mention that 60% of the meteorite was recovered. The odd basketball comment does correlates quite well with the initial reports of how much material was recovered, since 60% of a basketball of stony meteorite is about 30 kilograms. Typically, though (read about Bob Haag in Rocks From Space) these numbers are underinflated, so we can only hope there is really more. I am betting (Purely personal conjecture) that the odd basketball reference is the unofficial mutilate reference to how much material really was believed recovered = 50 Kg, including what the Peruvian scientists know. It will be very interesting to see what is finally published as a TKW in the Meteoritical Bulletin, though it is painfully obvious that this was not the justification used by the press. Another important question is the inventory of the Peruvian geologists and the Bolivian Planetarium recovered and its current whereabouts, as this material quite well may have been removed before the 30 Kg estimate attributed to the commercial meteorite collectors. Finally, another comment in the article mentions that the government organizations are setting up a meteorite investigation/recovery program, to acquire other meteorites, one would assume in the name of the nation. It will be interesting to see the ramifications of the program in relation to the private hunting for meteorites. There is a special emphasis which reads in a very negative tone regarding Mike's "admitting" to have taken 300 grams of material out of Peru. The other 30 - 50 kilograms (or 10 kg depending on who you believe) is basically non-existent when this negative tone is used. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The latest Carancas estimate from Peruvian geniuses I am sitting in Germany, and just read this on the Peruvian news. I don't have time to translate the article, but it shows how poorly informed the scientists in Peru are. Perhaps they could consult a meteorite expert for a little advice. http://www.andina.com.pe/NoticiaDetalle.aspx?id=148288 It says that the top scientist in Peru declared that the Carancas meteorite was the size of a basketball, and that almost all meteorites make craters 30 times the size of the meteorite. Boy, if that were only even close to being true, imagine all of the meteorite craters that would be all over the earth. Basketball sized meteorites fall often, none of them ever leave a crater. Why cant they get that through their skulls? Why is it that every time a meteorite falls, a basketball analogy always comes up somewhere? The say that nothing is left in the crater, and they are going to spend $10,000 to protect the crater. Interesting, since the water table will only rise with the rains, and melt the mud. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-li
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Availability
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:02:17 -0500, you wrote: >I see several on EBay but I am leery when reading auctions that >state no guarantee the material is guaranteed to be of meteorite material as >they were collected by towns people and then sold to some EBay sellers. Just look at the photos-- it is a very distinctive meteorite. You won't mistake something else for it. >have not seen any big name dealer/collectors with any of this material on >their sites or on EBay for that matter and this after 2 months. You must not be looking very close on Ebay: Bob Haag: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280169553330 Geoff Notkin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170166041540 Michael Cottingham: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200165762221 Mike Farmer: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170161057136 Robert Ward: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170160043699 Seem like big enough names to me. >I perceived >there was plenty of this material to go around and yet see very little being >offered. Any explanations to why this is. Simple-- if all of it is put on Ebay at once at low starting bids, there would be plenty to go around for everybody wanting it, and many auctions would go for much lower than they want them to go. If you spread them out thin, you'll get more money. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Munich Show 2007 - Photos
Great pictures Hanno! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "Hanno Strufe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Show 2007 - Photos Hallo friends, I have some photos from the Munich Show last weekend available on my homepage. Unfortunatly I could only be for 2 days in Munich thursday and friday because I had to be with my material also here, at a local mineral show close to my home town. Anyways, we had lots of fun an it was nice to see all the dealers and collectors and friends. Here is the link to click on it, or to copy into your browser. http://www.strufe.net/mu2007a.htm http://www.strufe.net/mu2007b.htm http://www.strufe.net/mu2007c.htm http://www.strufe.net/mu2007d.htm Best regards Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105 www.strufe.net IMCA #4267 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas Availability
Can someone explain something here. How much of Carancas is available to collectors? I would assume that since it's fall in mid September (almost 2 months now) that there would be more availability in acquiring this meteorite. I see several on EBay but I am leery when reading auctions that state no guarantee the material is guaranteed to be of meteorite material as they were collected by towns people and then sold to some EBay sellers. I have not seen any big name dealer/collectors with any of this material on their sites or on EBay for that matter and this after 2 months. I perceived there was plenty of this material to go around and yet see very little being offered. Any explanations to why this is. Thanks Don Merchant IMCA #0960 P.S. If any (reputable dealers I know and know me) one has a 1 to 2 gm with crust for offer please email me off list to negotiate __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007
Nicely done as a learning experience. Thanks Bernd and Michael. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_5_2007.html ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hello Munich NWA surprises
Dear List Members, First, let me thank you all those who shared the exciting pics from the show with us, there is no doubt those who were there have enjoyed their time, getting new items, and new iformations, without forgetting the party, everybody had to have fun. I wish one day, I can get there and play guitar at the party, some songs of the Pink floyd and Bob dylan, Eric Clapton..., and the wonderful Germany group , The Scorpions. Concerning the Mali meteorite and its commercialization, My point of veiw is, we first need to identify if the meteorite is a fall or find, if it's a fall we have to know when it fell, and of course get it classified ( Fortunately, Dr. Svend Buhl is taking care of the classification). About the price, I was wondering if you were talking about the wholesale price or in detail, as we know, we have Two kind of customers, the Dealer and the Collector, please do not expect me to sell to both at the same price, I respect the marketing and this will never happen. Mike, you've got the wholesale price (you claimed "large countity" at $1 or $1.25),Mr Habibi was selling to collectors, yes only collectors, because there is no a dealer who's willing to pay the same price as the collector paid, so both of you mike and Habibi are wrong dicussing the price(Clarify which direction of selling ), If i'm ready to sell directly to the collectors, I would get my spicemens pictured from all the sides with my scale cube and post an add to the list, but unfortunately we all are waitting for more info ( the history and the classification), I do not like to sell a meteorite as a fall, and then it turnes out to be a find because of no datas, I'm working hardly and spending money trying to get enough info to call this wonderfull meteorite a " FALL" I do not beleive on saying, we need the proof, isn't it? I hope the price will stabilze and more info will come. A note breif, at any show, the most excitting news come from what Moroccans brought to the show, I think most of you after passing the show door, go directly to the nearest moroccan's table, hopping to get a good deal, so, without NWA material, I do not see any surprises at any show except a new fall like Carancas at the great Munich show that everybody wishes to be there but, (Mike) each one has his circumstances, for me, simply, I can not get the Visa yet, but will try again. All in all, the show was great even from just the photos, congratulations to our Germany friends. My best Aziz Alhyane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2871: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007
Mexico Doug, Bernd and List, Bernd has been leading a few of us, off list, in a discussion of Acapulcoites v Lodranites. Doug's fine list of references, including David Weir's wonderfully up to date pages, shows the likelihood that a more comprehensive classification system will evolve. Grain size is an artifact of metamorphism and correlates well but tells the story only incompletely and imperfectly. A while back I put up a page with a few pictures of winonaites and acapulcoites in thin section. Now these classifications are clearly distinguished with olivine and oxygen isotope composition. Still, there are pictures of one former and two current acapulcoites there where grain sizes can be compared. If anyone wants to check out another guy's picture of NWA 2871 for grain sizes I just posted a large version of one of mine. Just click on the last picture on that page for a new page or use the second link below. Do remember, though, that most grain portions we see in thin section do not represent the full size of the grain since the plane of the section will cut through the thickest portion of only a small percentage of the grains it encounters. http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Topics/Acapulcoites_and_Winon aites.html http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2871Acapulcoite.h tm Best regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:41 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2871: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007 Doug kindly wrote: "Just a click away and an interested person without the materials and microscope can vicariously participate with Bernd's clear and colorful image of his nice thin section of Lodranite/Acapulcoite material." Thank you, Doug. Much appreciated! Yes, that's one of my best pics that I've taken so far in cross-polarized light and still without a gadget to firmly attach the camera to the microscope, camera only hand-held! Doug: "Bernd, could you kindly mention which of the grains were measured for those of us who want to confirm our little fun with a tape measure on our computer screens?" I could but I won't ;-) Let me explain my rudeness: You have the field of view in the upper right corner, so it's easy to figure out the rest - an easy exercise! Doug quoting from C. Floss: "The simple bimodal classification of these meteorites based primarily on petrographic criteria, which has been used to date, appears to be inadequate to describe this diverse group of samples, ..." Hence I wrote and also quoted on Friday, Oct 26: - But: It is not only grain size! ... and that's why this excerpt from an article in MAPS may be of interest in this context: TERRIBILINI D. et al. (2000) Evidence for common breakup events of the acapulcoites-lodranites and chondrites (MAPS 35-5, 2000, pp. 1043-1050). "GRA 95209 is considered a lodranite based on petrography (McCoy and Carlson, 1998), but Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (1998) find that the bulk-rock composition is more similar to acapulcoites and quite different from that of lodranites. Thus, a clear-cut classification is difficult." - Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is Ali Hmani a Member of this List
If so, please contact me at bobadebt at ec.rr.com If not does anyone know how I can contact him? Thanks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The latest Carancas estimate from Peruvian geniuses
I am sitting in Germany, and just read this on the Peruvian news. I don't have time to translate the article, but it shows how poorly informed the scientists in Peru are. Perhaps they could consult a meteorite expert for a little advice. http://www.andina.com.pe/NoticiaDetalle.aspx?id=148288 It says that the top scientist in Peru declared that the Carancas meteorite was the size of a basketball, and that almost all meteorites make craters 30 times the size of the meteorite. Boy, if that were only even close to being true, imagine all of the meteorite craters that would be all over the earth. Basketball sized meteorites fall often, none of them ever leave a crater. Why cant they get that through their skulls? Why is it that every time a meteorite falls, a basketball analogy always comes up somewhere? The say that nothing is left in the crater, and they are going to spend $10,000 to protect the crater. Interesting, since the water table will only rise with the rains, and melt the mud. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2871: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007
Doug kindly wrote: "Just a click away and an interested person without the materials and microscope can vicariously participate with Bernd's clear and colorful image of his nice thin section of Lodranite/Acapulcoite material." Thank you, Doug. Much appreciated! Yes, that's one of my best pics that I've taken so far in cross-polarized light and still without a gadget to firmly attach the camera to the microscope, camera only hand-held! Doug: "Bernd, could you kindly mention which of the grains were measured for those of us who want to confirm our little fun with a tape measure on our computer screens?" I could but I won't ;-) Let me explain my rudeness: You have the field of view in the upper right corner, so it's easy to figure out the rest - an easy exercise! Doug quoting from C. Floss: "The simple bimodal classification of these meteorites based primarily on petrographic criteria, which has been used to date, appears to be inadequate to describe this diverse group of samples, ..." Hence I wrote and also quoted on Friday, Oct 26: - But: It is not only grain size! ... and that's why this excerpt from an article in MAPS may be of interest in this context: TERRIBILINI D. et al. (2000) Evidence for common breakup events of the acapulcoites-lodranites and chondrites (MAPS 35-5, 2000, pp. 1043-1050). "GRA 95209 is considered a lodranite based on petrography (McCoy and Carlson, 1998), but Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (1998) find that the bulk-rock composition is more similar to acapulcoites and quite different from that of lodranites. Thus, a clear-cut classification is difficult." - Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007
Dear Listees, This is a very timely picture, thanks to most kindly to both Bernd Pauli and Michael Johnson's Rocks from Space Picture of the Day :-) Just a click away and an interested person without the materials and microscope can vicariously participate with Bernd's clear and colorful image of his nice thin section of Lodranite/Acapulcoite material. Nice! Bernd, could you kindly mention which of the grains were measured for those of us who want to confirm our little fun with a tape measure on our computer screens? Another click away is David Weir's free Internet Meteorite Encyclopedia: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_LODRAN.HTM http://www.meteoritestudies.com/protected_MONUMENT.HTM there are insightful summaries on the current state of research into the evolution of these materials. One could conclude from the information on David's site that there is a consensus among leading researchers that Acapulcoites and Lodranites were "identical" in their early history to believe them from a common precursor parent body, though the fragmentation history is believed to be varied. Apparently, the grain size was originally thought to be indicative of the depth of the sample excavated in a simple model of the deeper it is the slower the solidification and interrupting of grain growth in size (thus, Acapulcoites propsed nearer to the surface, cooled quicker in space and had smaller grains. This simplified concept has been put under the loupe most recently by Rubin, pointing to a likely more violent history of near anniliation impacts, re-assembling, and a final special delivery to earth, the last which liberated meteoroids from the mother lode less than 7 million years ago. This is most exciting to me as 4-7 million years is in the same blink of the Universe's eye we are living, and it gives hope that this can be sorted out and paired to something floating around space. I hope this hasn't been already covered on the list (Martin,et. al., feel free to remind me), but would like to comment that if the current classification system is simply so lacking considering current knowledge, that a more modern approach like that of A. Rubin, T. McCoy, or C. Floss, authors Patzer _et. al._, that these grain sizes in the range that separates the classifications. Perhaps, based on these comments a similar system to aqueous/thermal alteration H-L's nomenclature is motivated, only in this case instead of looking at aqueous alteration, it is primarily grain growth. Rubin (Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, Volume 71, Issue 9, 1 May 2007, Pages 2383-2401) states: "Acapulcoites and lodranites experienced moderate post-shock annealing, presumably resulting from burial beneath material of low thermal diffusivity. The annealing process repaired damaged olivine crystal lattices, lending acapulcoites and lodranites the appearance of unshocked (i.e., shock-stage S1) rocks. Any high-pressure phases that may have formed during initial shock reverted to their low-pressure polymorphs during annealing. Some samples were subsequently shocked again; several acapulcoites reached shock-stage S2 levels, ALH 84190 reached S3, and the lodranite MAC 88177 reached S5." To trace the evolution of thought on this issue, which touches on the formation and migration of the metal cores in asteroids, in the words of Dr. Christine Floss (2000) at Washington University: "The simple bimodal classification of these meteorites based primarily on petrographic criteria, which has been used to date, appears to be inadequate to describe this diverse group of samples, as they represent a range of degrees of partial melting, both with and without accompanying melt migration. In some instances secondary processes on the parent body, such as cryptic metasomatism*, have further modified sample compositions." quote abstracted from: Floss C. (2000) Complexities on the acapulcoite-lodranite parent body: evidence from trace element distributions in silicate minerals. Meteorit. Planet. Sci. 35, 1073-1085. *cryptic metasomatism: a fancy way to describe alteration (metasomatism) where the relative abundances of components of minerals changes but not into new minerals (cryptic). Puzzling, for sure to work backwards through this. Comments by Patzer, Hill and Boynton (2004) regarding Floss' statement: "In view of the growing number of samples, however, this scheme has recently been suggested to prove too limited. We share this assessment as far as we can judge from our preliminary INAA results and we support an extended classification modus similar to that developed by [Floss]. Not to be forgotten was TimMcCoy's PhD thesis (1994) suggesting the Rosetta Stone Acapulcoite-Lodranite LEW 86220 and foreshadowing the entire subject: "In one meteorite (LEW 86220), these basaltic, Fe, Ni, FeS-rich partial melts from a lodranite source region were injected into a cooler, acapulcoite region. The acapulcoi
[meteorite-list] thanks for the munich pics
Hi list from chi town.I want to personally thank all the fine people who went to munich for the munich show who took all the fantastic pictures.Well done and very professional.My wife and I are think of going to munich next year for our 10th wedding anniversary.Again thanks so much for the great pics and lik marcin said,next up,TUCSON. STEVE ARNOLD,CHI TOWN, USA!! Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mali SALES
Ok, Who can sell me a piece? Bob E. -- Original message -- From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I say what I want seen my first Bassiko I have pay $10/gr. > with confirm never change the price and after I have pay the > other piece in Ensisheim for $2.5/gr. > > matteo > > - Original Message - > Da : "PolandMET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A : "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "meteorite list" > Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich > Data : Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:28:26 +0100 > > > > we waithing some months...is type Bassikounou, " never > > > go under this price" from $10-12/gr. is go to > > > $2-2,5/gr. > > > Matteo > > > > Matteo, if You dont have nothing new to say, then just say > > nothing. I hope Your translator can translate this > > corectly. > > > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > > http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl > > http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl > > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich Show 2007 - Photos
Hallo friends, I have some photos from the Munich Show last weekend available on my homepage. Unfortunatly I could only be for 2 days in Munich thursday and friday because I had to be with my material also here, at a local mineral show close to my home town. Anyways, we had lots of fun an it was nice to see all the dealers and collectors and friends. Here is the link to click on it, or to copy into your browser. http://www.strufe.net/mu2007a.htm http://www.strufe.net/mu2007b.htm http://www.strufe.net/mu2007c.htm http://www.strufe.net/mu2007d.htm Best regards Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105 www.strufe.net IMCA #4267 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - November 5, 2007
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Studies Rock Composition and Changes in Atmosphere - sol 1316-1321, Nov 05, 2007: Though atmospheric dust has returned to nearly pre-dust storm levels, Opportunity's solar arrays are still dustier than before the storm, keeping power levels about 200 watt-hours lower than pre-storm levels. Opportunity continues to generate solar power levels of more than 600 watt-hours per Martian day, or sol (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy required to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour), with the help of wind-related cleaning of the solar panels. The spacecraft is healthy. Opportunity has been studying the so-called "bathtub ring," a light band of rock that appears to circle Victoria Crater partway below the surface. Scientists think the band may be the remains of the original surface of Meridiani Planum before a meteor blasted out the crater. The ring itself appears to have three layers, originally dubbed "alpha," "beta" and "gamma" after the first three letters of the Greek alphabet, but now renamed "Steno," "Smith" and "Lyell," in honor of pioneering geologists of the 17th and 18th centuries. Opportunity is to complete studies of Steno after grinding a hole into the rock surface with the rock abrasion tool and acquire a final set of observations that include measurements with the Moessbauer spectrometer. The two spectrometers on Opportunity provide different kinds of information. The alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer is a general-purpose spectrometer that helps determine the chemical composition of the rocks. The Moessbauer spectrometer is specifically designed to study iron-bearing minerals, which are abundant on Mars and give the planet its red-orange color. Both spectrometers rely on radioactive energy sources but the one in the Moessbauer spectrometer has a shorter half-life. That means it gets weaker faster. As a result, Moessbauer integrations now take longer, typically as many as 60 hours to acquire useful data. The rover acquires the observations over several sols. To conserve battery power, which relies on sunlight as a source of energy, Opportunity sleeps at night. Opportunity happens to have a heater stuck in the "on" position that draws additional power. Mechanical thermostats added to the mission just before it was launched in 2003 prevent the heater from running during the daytime. But the heater continues to draw power at night. Scientists plan to move Opportunity to a second spot on Steno for continued investigation. Before moving, Opportunity must stow the robotic arm. If the stow is successful, plans call for the rover to back uphill and aim high to compensate for potential slip on the steep slope of Victoria Crater before driving forward. Plans also call for the rover to measure atmospheric argon. Argon is a trace gas in the Martian atmosphere, comprising about 1.6 percent (the bulk of the Martian atmosphere is carbon dioxide, the same gas that gives soft drinks their fizz). Argon is one of the noble gases, so named because they don't react chemically with other substances. It is always a gas. Water, on the other hand, can be a gas (water vapor), a liquid (cloud, mists, and rain), or a solid (ice, snow, sleet, and hail). Water can also bind physically or chemically to other substances in the air, such as dusts and soots, smog, and acid rain. Because argon is always in one physical state (a gas) that is unadulterated by other substances, it can be used as a barometer. When atmospheric pressure is high, there's more argon in the field of view. When it's low, there's less argon. Measurements of the gas with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer track changes in Mar's atmospheric pressure as a result of changes in global energy flows, dust storms, and Mars' position relative to the Sun. On sol 1320 (Oct. 11, 2007), Opportunity is scheduled to take a series of nine microscopic images within a minute or two at exactly the same spot. By adding the pixels (picture elements), engineers can reduce the amount of "noise" -- random, microscopic overexposures or underexposures -- within the image. Such noise is a constant in nature. By combining the pixels, engineers can average out the noise to reveal details and fine texture that would otherwise be obscured. Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to daily observations that included measurements of atmospheric dust with the panoramic and navigation cameras, surveys of the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and transfers of data to Earth via the Odyssey orbiter, Opportunity completed the following activities: Sol 1316 (Oct. 6, 2007): Opportunity acquired stereo microscopic images of Steno, studied the rock's composition with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer, and checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Sol 1317: Opportunity acquired data from Steno using the Moessbauer spectro
Re: [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich
I say what I want seen my first Bassiko I have pay $10/gr. with confirm never change the price and after I have pay the other piece in Ensisheim for $2.5/gr. matteo - Original Message - Da : "PolandMET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "meteorite list" Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich Data : Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:28:26 +0100 > > we waithing some months...is type Bassikounou, " never > > go under this price" from $10-12/gr. is go to > > $2-2,5/gr. > > Matteo > > Matteo, if You dont have nothing new to say, then just say > nothing. I hope Your translator can translate this > corectly. > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl > http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas and the Dragon
I did not deserve your initial response; the list deserved to see the arrogance you took towards me- the same as you took below. The list did not need set up for a rivalry at Steve's expense and your backtracking below is obvious. I am backing out of this as I have said how I felt. There is no point continuing. Mike --- Mr EMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh sorry Mike, manners and courtesy... you mean like > posting my PRIVATE > EMAIL to you on the list? Those kind of manners and > courtesy? Perhaps > you someone needs to attend remedial training... > BUT I was raised to > not talk about other people's mommas. I think I > grasp > the sincerity of your admonition to be courteous. I > shall endeavor to > be more thoughtful henceforth. > > (To make it clear to anyone that is amused or > bemused by this exchange, > I responded to you you alone; not the list. You had > to intentionally > add the metlist address to the reply, so don't go > blowing smoke...) > > And Steve, Thank you, as I was just gageing prices > for Carancus. I > will have to wait a bit for the price to firm up. > And a genuine thank > you for answering my question on how your Dragon was > oriented. It was a > good description and I accept it. I hope that > you'll post some > detailed photos on this remarkable specimen. Such a > specimen should be > photo documented. Congrats on a specimen destined > to be a classic! > > Elton > --- Mike Groetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >No, I am not Steve's agent or mouthpiece. It is > > called manners and courtesy towards someone else's > > business. It would not matter if it was Steve, > youself > > or anybody else. I would feel the same- it is how > I > > was raised. > >It is not in our business to ask- especially > > copying a public forum in front of everyone where > he > > is open for ridicule. > > Mike > > > > --- Mr EMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Then Steve is free to decline or to answer as he > > > usually tells what he > > > pays for meteorites...or are you his agent and > > > mouthpiece now? > > > > > > --- Mike Groetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't think what Steve paid for it is > anyone's > > > > business except Steve. > > > > Mike > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich
we waithing some months...is type Bassikounou, " never go under this price" from $10-12/gr. is go to $2-2,5/gr. Matteo Matteo, if You dont have nothing new to say, then just say nothing. I hope Your translator can translate this corectly. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Munich show 2007
this year is go well with the change USD-Euro? Not type other years ago with 1 USD = 1 EURO? It is a bit change the history with the euro strong on the USD... Matteo - Original Message - Da : "PolandMET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "Mirko Graul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Munich show 2007 Data : Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:43:13 +0100 > Hello > Munich was very interesting this year. > Two new spectacular falls in one place. Thats what I like. > > Mali fall was well represented on many tables from tiny > complete specimens to large regmaglypted stones. > Morocans show each fall on different box, so there was no > problem with mixing both falls together. Both falls have > similar crust but very different interior. Ofcourse > everything depends of the size of specimens and how fresh > they are etc. > > Carancas specimens was incredible. It really SMELL very > strange. Its fragile like dust, so every touch produces > new tiny fragments. I belive its becouse of high shock > while meteor hit ground. Another surprize was that I have > found 90% complete, crusted specimen. I belived its > impossible as this meteorite was sooo large. Will show it > soon. > > OK, enjoy my photos http://www.PolandMET.com > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl > http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich
we waithing some months...is type Bassikounou, " never go under this price" from $10-12/gr. is go to $2-2,5/gr. Matteo - Original Message - Da : habibi abdelaziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : meteorite list Oggetto : [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich Data : Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:56:37 -0800 (PST) > hello list member and mike, > im surprised by your email ,you sad the price was from 2 > euro=2.8$ to 4 euro = 6$. does it mean that there is no > mali for 1$ , like you adviced the lists member to wait > for. it's surprising no. > so there is no mali for 1$ nowhere or just in munich mike. > and the dealer confusing bassi with mali is one dealer is > very honnest he just confuse them by mistake, > beleive he wasnot trying to sell bassi for mali just > confusion, ismaili is one of the most honorable man. > thanks for your emails . aziz the habibi > > > habibi aziz > box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco > phone. 21235576145 > fax.21235576170 > > > > __ > ___ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse > mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich
No Aziz, there was certainly none for sale that cheap in Munich. Of course, a Coke was 2.20 at the show, and 1.20 at the supermarket I never said that it was $1.00 gram in Munich. I was offered by email, by several Moroccans at $1.00 to $1.25 per gram for quantity. This is not a big deal Aziz, no need to make it one. It seems like the price will now stabilize, which is why I waited. I am telling everyone that it is a beautiful meteorite, and should grace all collections. 2007 has turned out to be the best year for falls since I have been in meteorites I think. By the way, I was expecting to see you there, what happened? Michael Farmer --- habibi abdelaziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello list member and mike, > im surprised by your email ,you sad the price was > from 2 euro=2.8$ to 4 euro = 6$. > does it mean that there is no mali for 1$ , like you > adviced the lists member to wait for. > it's surprising no. > so there is no mali for 1$ nowhere or just in munich > mike. > and the dealer confusing bassi with mali is one > dealer is very honnest he just confuse them by > mistake, > beleive he wasnot trying to sell bassi for mali > just confusion, ismaili is one of the most honorable > man. > thanks for your emails . > aziz the habibi > > > habibi aziz > box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco > phone. 21235576145 > fax.21235576170 > > > > _ > > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez > vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich show 2007
Hello Munich was very interesting this year. Two new spectacular falls in one place. Thats what I like. Mali fall was well represented on many tables from tiny complete specimens to large regmaglypted stones. Morocans show each fall on different box, so there was no problem with mixing both falls together. Both falls have similar crust but very different interior. Ofcourse everything depends of the size of specimens and how fresh they are etc. Carancas specimens was incredible. It really SMELL very strange. Its fragile like dust, so every touch produces new tiny fragments. I belive its becouse of high shock while meteor hit ground. Another surprize was that I have found 90% complete, crusted specimen. I belived its impossible as this meteorite was sooo large. Will show it soon. OK, enjoy my photos http://www.PolandMET.com -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] mali pricing in munich
hello list member and mike, im surprised by your email ,you sad the price was from 2 euro=2.8$ to 4 euro = 6$. does it mean that there is no mali for 1$ , like you adviced the lists member to wait for. it's surprising no. so there is no mali for 1$ nowhere or just in munich mike. and the dealer confusing bassi with mali is one dealer is very honnest he just confuse them by mistake, beleive he wasnot trying to sell bassi for mali just confusion, ismaili is one of the most honorable man. thanks for your emails . aziz the habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 5, 2007
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[meteorite-list] Munich news
Hi everyone, I have been unable to post to the list for nearly 10 day but it seems to be fixed now. I was in Munich for the whole show, and must say, there was not much new around. Of course Carancas and Mali made a big splash. It was confusing which was Bassikounou and which was Mali, but close inspection usually was easy, and most of the mali was a little more grey. Broken pieces are much easier to identify. I think some Moroccans are playing hanky-panky, trying to get rid of Bassi stock. I only bought a few grams of tiny complete stones, the price was too high for me here, between 1.5 and 4 Euros per gram, change that to dollars, and that is too expensive for me as a reseller. Now that all Moroccans are retailers, we will see what will happen. The weather was wonderful of you are from Tucson, nice crisp cold mornings and cool afternoons, very different from my home, which I love. We all had fun, I appreciated chatting with my European friends, and telling stories about Cali and Carancas and La Mancha. The shows are a great time to catch up on news. Anyway, I will be going home tomorrow and then preparing for the Tokyo show in barely one month! Never enough time I am hoping that a new fall will take a little time now, and give me some work time at home. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] carancas
A crater-forming chondrite is definately historic Matteo. 11 grams for free, you da man! Michael Farmer --- M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > for my piece of 11 grams I not have pay nothing, > donation > direct from Perù. Now I have polished the piece and > when I > have back my digital camera I take the photo. For > the > historic question is pass only few months, not 100 > years is > a recent fall, not historical type Weston or others > > matteo > > > > --- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello again list.Well I guess better late than > > > > never.It is not very big,but at the price it's > > > going > > > > at, 1.18 grams,it is better than not having > any.I > > > > just got my piece from mike blood.A very nice > but > > > > different piece that I have ever seen.But it > is > > > nice > > > > to have a piece of this historic piece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection > > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
