Re: [meteorite-list] awesome names

2007-11-17 Thread Martin Altmann
Buckleboo.


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UMMM

Listoids

I was looking for listoid to share awesome sounding names of KNOWN finds 
rather than otherwise named specimens that just look awesome...

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/qwalkra2/GEDC0039.jpg

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/qwalkra2/GEDC0040.jpg

These indeed are new oz finds... the provisional name I will seek is 
Scorpion Bight becoz they were found at Scorpion Bight

Nothwithstanding this small bitch and whine - send em all to the list 
whether awesomely named or just awesomely looking

Tis time we listoids had some fun rather than backstab bitch whine and 
otherwise moan

Hooroo



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[meteorite-list] awesome names

2007-11-17 Thread Bob WALKER



UMMM

Listoids

I was looking for listoid to share awesome sounding names of KNOWN finds 
rather than otherwise named specimens that just look awesome...


http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/qwalkra2/GEDC0039.jpg

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/qwalkra2/GEDC0040.jpg

These indeed are new oz finds... the provisional name I will seek is 
Scorpion Bight becoz they were found at Scorpion Bight


Nothwithstanding this small bitch and whine - send em all to the list 
whether awesomely named or just awesomely looking


Tis time we listoids had some fun rather than backstab bitch whine and 
otherwise moan


Hooroo



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Re: [meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Joke on EBay

2007-11-17 Thread Darren Garrison
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:45:27 -0500, you wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite_W0QQitemZ110193904568QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>Don Merchant 

Hm.  The buyer's location brings this into a class of jokes that are no longer
PC...
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[meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Joke on EBay

2007-11-17 Thread Don Merchant

http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite_W0QQitemZ110193904568QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Don Merchant 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Son of Rosetta?

2007-11-17 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi,

Well, I asked the right questions anyway, even
if I didn't have the right answers! Once you start
tweaking the orbit with a burn here and a burn there,
your co-orbiting companion is off on its own, or you
are (depending on which one you're on). I scrounged
through the ESA site trying to find if they'd had burns
but I could not find it out one way or the other. FIVE
correctional burns would seem to make launch stage
follow-on a virtual impossibility.

A reasonably reflective object the size of the EPS
(which has a 12 m^2 cross section) with 80% to 90%
albedo would be brighter than the "mystery" object.
If the EPS had an albedo of around 50%, it would
be the same brightness (which means nothing really,
except that besides it can't get there, it's too bright).

It is darn spooky, though. For now, I'm going to
put an "X" in the "More Rocks Than You Think"
column (and a smiley face in the brand-new "Comet
Spies From Churyumov-Gerasimenko" column).


Sterling K. Webb
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Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Son of Rosetta?


Hi Sterling,

> Was it the CSS's Mt. Lemmon scope? (There are two big
> scopes on Mt. Lemmon; three, if you count the one downhill
> a bit on "Mt. Bigelow").

Yes -- the 1.5-meter f/2.0 at the Steward Observatory about 10 miles
north of Tucson.

> The Ariane 5 upper-stage ATV is 10.3 meters long and 4.51 meters
> in diameter; don't know how reflective it is.

Not that stage.  The final stage on the Ariane 5 (the EPS), which is
much smaller:

Ariane 5-2. Gross Mass: 12,500 kg. Empty Mass: 2,700 kg.
Thrust (vac): 27.400 kN (6,160 lbf)
Isp: 324 sec
Burn time: 1,100 sec.
Diameter: 3.96 m
Length: 3.36 m
Propellants: N2O4/MMH. No Engines: 1. Engine: Aestus.
Empty mass without VEB payload fairing support ring and avionics is 1200 kg.

> Trying to Google up Rosetta's flight plan (which has changed more
> often than some people change underwear) suggests (but does not
> state unequivovally) that there are no powered maneuvers until
> the middle of 2011 when the engine will fire to shift the new
> eccentric orbit acquired by this recent (and earlier) flybys to
> one that will match 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko's orbit.

There have been quite a few powered maneuvers -- at least five that
I'm aware of. You always do a burn before and after each planetary
gravity assist: one to fine-tune the approach, one to tweak the
post-encounter result. So there were burns before and after the
first earth flyby, and burns before and after the Mars flyby this
past March. There was also a "deep space" burn in between the
Mars encounter and this latest (second) earth flyby. The burns
themselves don't drastically alter the heliocentric orbit, but
they do have a significant impact on the closest approach to
each planet. Since small changes in planetary close approach
bring about large changes in gravitational bending, the orbits
of the booster and Rosetta would have significantly diverged
following the first earth flyby.

> I wouldn't rule out the launch stage vehicle unless somebody
> had taken a copy of the Rosetta flight data up to launch and
> run a stimulation on it with the upperstage velocity deficit
> (10 cm/s) applied to Rosetta and seen where it would be by
> now. Maybe they've done that already; don't know. There's
> hardly been time.

They (ESA?) says they have, and that the EPS is nowhere near
Rosetta. To double-check, I provided several orbital gurus with
the JPL-Horizon's heliocentric ephemeris as it existed immediately
after shutdown of the Ariane 5 EPS. I was curious where that EPS
is today, and whether it could have had any close encounters with
earth or Mars in the last 3 1/2 years.

> Maybe there are just a lot more objects out there than we
> think there are. Or maybe the Universe just likes to tease us.

I think both of these are true!  --Rob

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[meteorite-list] Small uncleaned Canyon Diablo --SOLD---

2007-11-17 Thread Ruben Garcia

Thanks everyone!! They're sold...

Ruben

Ruben Garcia
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Re: [meteorite-list] awesome meteorite names

2007-11-17 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 11/17/2007 7:47:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
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Bob.

The  Scorpion
http://www.meteorman.org/Scorpion.htm


Tim
--
--

Hello  Bob and Tim,
 
Here is another one:
 
_http://www.impactika.com/SA%20Scorpion.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/SA%20Scorpion.jpg) 



Anne  M. Black
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[meteorite-list] [AD] Sunday eBay Meteorites

2007-11-17 Thread Notkin

Dear Listees:

I have some nice eBay auctions ending Sunday evening, if you're in the 
mood for a little pre-Thanksgiving shopping. As usual, ALL are 
no-reserve.



FYI, a piece of Carancas, Peru with slickenside and limited edition 
crater photo, currently at only ten bucks:


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Plus Bassikounou, Henbury, Libyan Desert Glass, Sikhote-Alin, SAU 001 
and other assorted items residing here until tomorrow night:


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Thanksgiving wishes to all in the USA,

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Re: [meteorite-list] awesome meteorite names

2007-11-17 Thread Timothy Heitz

Bob.

The Scorpion
http://www.meteorman.org/Scorpion.htm


Tim





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Subject: [meteorite-list] awesome meteorite names



Listoids

Something different to liven up the list and share our knowledge

I have 7 fragments from a new find that I hope to have provisionally named 
as SCORPION BIGHT (no - its not a Queensland find but it does come from 
OZ)


Wot an awesome name to call a stone

Have any listoids heard any similar awesome sounding named stones and can 
they share these with the list


Hooroo
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[meteorite-list] awesome meteorite names

2007-11-17 Thread Bob WALKER

Listoids

Something different to liven up the list and share our knowledge

I have 7 fragments from a new find that I hope to have provisionally named 
as SCORPION BIGHT (no - its not a Queensland find but it does come from OZ)


Wot an awesome name to call a stone

Have any listoids heard any similar awesome sounding named stones and can 
they share these with the list


Hooroo 


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[meteorite-list] Small uncleaned Canyon Diablo meteorites for sale...cheap!

2007-11-17 Thread Ruben Garcia
Hi all,

I'm selling two lots of uncleaned Canyon Diablo
meteorites for a friend.

lot #1 is 1009 grams (approx.10-60 gram specimens)=
$200.00  plus shipping.
 
lot #2 is 1145 grams (approx. 2-30 gram specimens)=
$200.00 plus shipping

http://www.mr-meteorite.com/meteoritesforsale.htm

Ruben Garcia
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Re: [meteorite-list] QMIG update

2007-11-17 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi,

`Have you tried contacting Blain Reed? I believe he has the main mass.

Thanks,

Peter Scherff

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Listoids

QMIG update

http://www.qmig.org (gotta type in the complete link else Michael will yell 
at me)

I've uploaded photos of the 4 new finds from Windorah

I'm gonna loan them to the University of Queensland this week and they will 
undertake classification and a metsoc submission on my behalf

A special thanx to my son who patiently assists an olde coote like me with 
the digital camera

Also have 7 fragments/individuals of a non-Queensland OZ find that I will 
seek a provisional name of Scorpion Bight for - how about that for an 
absolutely awesome name for a meteorite hmmm

A special request please - I urgently need specimens of Whitula Creek - this

is the only chondrite that is proving difficult to locate and it is holding 
up publishing a pocket-guide on Queensland meteorites with a particular 
focus on thin-sections

If any listoids can assist please contact me off-list

p.s. Maroo is eluding me too but maybe just maybe I'll get some...

Cheers from down under


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[meteorite-list] QMIG update

2007-11-17 Thread Bob WALKER

Listoids

QMIG update

http://www.qmig.org (gotta type in the complete link else Michael will yell 
at me)


I've uploaded photos of the 4 new finds from Windorah

I'm gonna loan them to the University of Queensland this week and they will 
undertake classification and a metsoc submission on my behalf


A special thanx to my son who patiently assists an olde coote like me with 
the digital camera


Also have 7 fragments/individuals of a non-Queensland OZ find that I will 
seek a provisional name of Scorpion Bight for - how about that for an 
absolutely awesome name for a meteorite hmmm


A special request please - I urgently need specimens of Whitula Creek - this 
is the only chondrite that is proving difficult to locate and it is holding 
up publishing a pocket-guide on Queensland meteorites with a particular 
focus on thin-sections


If any listoids can assist please contact me off-list

p.s. Maroo is eluding me too but maybe just maybe I'll get some...

Cheers from down under


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space - November 17, 2007

2007-11-17 Thread Jerry

What marvelous jewels we own!!!
Jerry Flaherty
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Re: [meteorite-list] Son of Rosetta?

2007-11-17 Thread Rob Matson
Hi Sterling,

> Was it the CSS's Mt. Lemmon scope? (There are two big
> scopes on Mt. Lemmon; three, if you count the one downhill
> a bit on "Mt. Bigelow").

Yes -- the 1.5-meter f/2.0 at the Steward Observatory about 10 miles
north of Tucson.

> The Ariane 5 upper-stage ATV is 10.3 meters long and 4.51 meters
> in diameter; don't know how reflective it is.

Not that stage.  The final stage on the Ariane 5 (the EPS), which is
much smaller:

Ariane 5-2. Gross Mass: 12,500 kg. Empty Mass: 2,700 kg.
Thrust (vac): 27.400 kN (6,160 lbf)
Isp: 324 sec
Burn time: 1,100 sec.
Diameter: 3.96 m
Length: 3.36 m
Propellants: N2O4/MMH. No Engines: 1. Engine: Aestus.
Empty mass without VEB payload fairing support ring and avionics is 1200 kg.

> Trying to Google up Rosetta's flight plan (which has changed more
> often than some people change underwear) suggests (but does not
> state unequivovally) that there are no powered maneuvers until
> the middle of 2011 when the engine will fire to shift the new
> eccentric orbit acquired by this recent (and earlier) flybys to
> one that will match 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko's orbit.

There have been quite a few powered maneuvers -- at least five that
I'm aware of. You always do a burn before and after each planetary
gravity assist: one to fine-tune the approach, one to tweak the
post-encounter result. So there were burns before and after the
first earth flyby, and burns before and after the Mars flyby this
past March. There was also a "deep space" burn in between the
Mars encounter and this latest (second) earth flyby. The burns
themselves don't drastically alter the heliocentric orbit, but
they do have a significant impact on the closest approach to
each planet. Since small changes in planetary close approach
bring about large changes in gravitational bending, the orbits
of the booster and Rosetta would have significantly diverged
following the first earth flyby.

> I wouldn't rule out the launch stage vehicle unless somebody
> had taken a copy of the Rosetta flight data up to launch and
> run a stimulation on it with the upperstage velocity deficit
> (10 cm/s) applied to Rosetta and seen where it would be by
> now. Maybe they've done that already; don't know. There's
> hardly been time.

They (ESA?) says they have, and that the EPS is nowhere near
Rosetta. To double-check, I provided several orbital gurus with
the JPL-Horizon's heliocentric ephemeris as it existed immediately
after shutdown of the Ariane 5 EPS. I was curious where that EPS
is today, and whether it could have had any close encounters with
earth or Mars in the last 3 1/2 years.

> Maybe there are just a lot more objects out there than we
> think there are. Or maybe the Universe just likes to tease us.

I think both of these are true!  --Rob

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[meteorite-list] WG: Heidelbergensis-Zhamanshin dates

2007-11-17 Thread Andreas Gren

Hi E.P.

So you agree Zhamanshinite is around 900 000 years old,at the actual point
of science.

And Hidelbergensis is 500 000 -600 000 years old, also at the actual point
of science. If you like, count Homo antecessor to Heidelbergensis, so you
would reach maximum age for Heidelbergensis of 800 000 years, still 100 000
years after the Zhamanshinite event.

So how can a species be split, that not exist at the time of the event?. 

Time is going just in one direction.

Andi

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Hi Andy - 

"So please explain how your theory can be true and
please let me know where you mentioned it's just your
theory."

page 22
"about 1 million years ago" - and that's the only
mention of the exact date for Z., which of course is
900,000, which I got from the Canadian Catalog, as you
did. Which reminds me of the lack of funding of the
MPC - the Canadian geologists had their funding
interupted for a few years.

"Homo Heidelbergensis, whose fossils have been found
as of today in Europe, East Asia, and Africa.  Given
all of this, I have little doubt that the Homo
Heidlebergensis (nee erectus) will be found in Central
Asia when excavations begin there."

Well, let's see - you have a widely dispersed homonid,
with exceedingly limited fossil samples, and the
suceeding homonids.  It took time for these homonids
to spread, and their successors had to evolve from
something. "I have no doubt" is about as much a
statement of theory as was possible, given the scope
at hand.

Of course, there are some people who have most
insistently and publicly screamed at me that the
people were here with dinosaurs. They insist they were
put here by the Creator.

And again, try to sort this out in a few words as
possible for the general reader while the
anthropologists fight bitterly among themselves over
taxonomy, not only of homonids, but of lithics and
pottery.

E.P. Grondine
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[meteorite-list] AD EBay Auctions ending-LA 001 meteorite, Rare Halley's Comet Coin

2007-11-17 Thread Don Merchant
Hi List. I have 2 Rare auctions ending tomorrow. A RARE LA 001 Mars 
Meteorite + Extravaganza package including several Rare Martian display 
items (2 face of Mars coins) and Rare Mars Rover (24k Gold plated on a 
Silver plated base)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160179078476&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006

Also ending tomorrow is a Rare very hard to find .999 pure silver coin of 
Halley's Comet. For those that collect coins and or carbonaceous chondrites 
which are believed to be of cometary origin. Very beautiful addition to any 
collection.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160179443481&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006

Just a reminder for those that may not be around tomorrow evening to bid.

Thank you
Sincerely
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[meteorite-list] Heidelbergensis-Zhamanshin dates

2007-11-17 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Andy - 

"So please explain how your theory can be true and
please let me know where you mentioned it's just your
theory."

page 22
"about 1 million years ago" - and that's the only
mention of the exact date for Z., which of course is
900,000, which I got from the Canadian Catalog, as you
did. Which reminds me of the lack of funding of the
MPC - the Canadian geologists had their funding
interupted for a few years.

"Homo Heidelbergensis, whose fossils have been found
as of today in Europe, East Asia, and Africa.  Given
all of this, I have little doubt that the Homo
Heidlebergensis (nee erectus) will be found in Central
Asia when excavations begin there."

Well, let's see - you have a widely dispersed homonid,
with exceedingly limited fossil samples, and the
suceeding homonids.  It took time for these homonids
to spread, and their successors had to evolve from
something. "I have no doubt" is about as much a
statement of theory as was possible, given the scope
at hand.

Of course, there are some people who have most
insistently and publicly screamed at me that the
people were here with dinosaurs. They insist they were
put here by the Creator.

And again, try to sort this out in a few words as
possible for the general reader while the
anthropologists fight bitterly among themselves over
taxonomy, not only of homonids, but of lithics and
pottery.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas









  

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[meteorite-list] AD El Hammami and Millbillillie

2007-11-17 Thread Tomasz Jakubowski
Hello everyone
I have two meteorites to sell : El Hammami 1060 grams and Millbillillie 
62 grams.

El Hammami 1060g, specimen have great black fusion crust (about 50% of 
fusion crust) and fresh interior with visible chondrules also have nice 
iron veils visible on fusion crust surface.
http://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/ElHammami1060Grams

Millbillillie 62,8g, have 100% fusion crust, full oriented, radial flow 
lines and rollover lips.
http://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Millbillillie62Grams

If  you are interest please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I can send 
more photos on private mail.


Kind Regards
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space - November 17, 2007

2007-11-17 Thread SPACEROCKSINC

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_17_2007.html





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[meteorite-list] AD Back in Ebay. Auctions ending tomorrow

2007-11-17 Thread Eduardo.
Hi

After some monthes of incactivity I'm back in the game.

47 items are ending tomorrow on Ebay. Most of them started at $1 and 
several are still $1!

You can find Zagami, Allende, Huckita, Brenham, Thuathe, Gibeon, Sikhote-
Alin, Norton County, Lafayette and many more.

take a look at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteorites.com

thanks

Eduardo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Toilette paper

2007-11-17 Thread Andreas Gren
Hi E.P.

My apologies for the chose of my words, I should have said it more gently.

Ok I took your book again in my hands and have to apologie again, ,you did
not mention all the humps you have pictured in the book are central uplifts.

I just misinterpret the pictures, after I stopped reading the book and took
a look at what graphics are used in the book.

But I stay by the comment the book is not worth a penny. You make a lot of
statements in the beginning of your book ,witch are pure speculation and do
not tell the reader that's just you own interpretation.

One example:
Chapter 2
Site 22
1 Million Years ago The Zhamanshine impact
..
Site 23
Homo Heidelbergensis split in two

The Zhamanshin impactor had hit right in the middle of homo
heidelbergensis's Eurasian range, and it split the species into two widely
separated groups which would now evolve along widely diveragent paths.


Ok, Zhamanshinite impact is dated with 0.9 +/- 0.1 MA
Heidelbergensis ,the oldest found is dated with 0.6-0.5 MA

So please explain how your theory can be true and please let me know where
you mentioned it's just your theory.

After this unscientific kind of writing a book, I dared you also a central
uplift mania , for all the pictuered humps in you book. my mistake.

Andi

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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Grondine
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2007 07:30
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Toilette paper

Hi Andi, all - 

I'm sorry you're disappointed with my book, but
Andi, what the hell are you trying to say "sides",
"central uplifts"?

I can't recall any "central uplift" in my book. And
certainly nothing is terms of identified impact
features.

Berndt, do you know what he is talking about? Can you
translate this for me.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


Like you? 

Publishing a book with no input,
In Tucson this year you sold me your book, even singed
by you.
After 30 sides I had to put it by side, because of
your stupid conclusions about some knolls, all of them
central uplifts , eh? 

Go tom Europe, you will find thousands of "your
central uplifts" , indeed a miracle of history, but no
miracles to your central uplift theory.

Most funny was a site in my/your book, where you
mentioned you have found a central uplift in the
middle of an old cemetery. Yes, even in US the people
liked and like to build a big mound when a loved
family member passed away.

I suggest you first took your stupid book from the
marked before you tell others to do.

I will of course send you my payment address where you
are able to pay the refund for this much to expensive
toilette paper.

 Oh, for the ones not informed, I'm talking about the
book 
Man and impact in the Americas.

AD!!! I have to sell nine tenth of it , but I'm sure
you wouldn't like it, after I had done some useful
things to this trash, likeok enough

Andi



 


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[meteorite-list] QMIG update

2007-11-17 Thread Bob WALKER

Listoids

QMIG update

To keep Michael happy I'll post the full link...

http://www.qmig.org

Don't get too excited just yet - I'll finish the webpages for the four new 
finds from Windorah tomorrow - just have to do some endcuts so I can 
webpublish the cut faces but it should all be up tomorrow with photos galore


I'll put up a mirror site at www.qmig.net soon - I am minded to change 
internet providers so may go off the air for a while and the mirror will end 
up being the primary site when that happens...


Hooroo


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