[meteorite-list] AD 14g Kernouve on ebay
Hello, Just 3 days left to get a 14g Kernouve fragment on ebay. Meteorite sellers will be able to slice it if they want. Price is really great for such a rarity and for an historical fall. The link : http://search.ebay.fr/_W0QQsassZmoky99 Kind regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Joke on EBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite_W0QQitemZ110193904568QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Don Merchant Guy from Poland. I have send him long message. Im curiuos what he will answer :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AWESOME METEORITE NAMES
Hangman Crossing! H4,Jackson Co., indiana 1976. USA! Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Joke on EBay
No, wait, I'll take two please. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Joke on EBay http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite_W0QQitemZ110193904568QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Don Merchant Guy from Poland. I have send him long message. Im curiuos what he will answer :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Meteorite Joke on EBay
Is that 1,000,000 dollars or Polish Zloty's? Richard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new mali meteorite page
Hi all.I am happy to let you all know that I just put up a new meteorite page on my website.It is MALI!I have gotten a little over a kilo in all very nice individuals.Please view at your liesure. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: new mali meteorite page
Hello List, Michael: If you don't include the link in your post no one will go there Bob: Here's the link. Steve, it would be a good idea to post a link http://chicagometeorites.net/id53.html Well, it is there - at least indirectly, ... in the address attachment: = Chicagometeorites.net = Steve, ... as for your Mali specimens, I must admit that the second individual (519 grams) is a real feast for the eye - beautiful shape, excellent fusion crust! But, as so often before, I am not quite sure if we are looking at a Bassikounou individual or whether this is a piece of the Mali fall. Anyway, no matter what it is, it's a beautiful individual with gorgeous crust! Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new mali meteorite page
Steve, We have told you over and over: IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE LINK IN YOUR POST NO ONE WILL GO THERE! No one. What do you think, we all yave your webpage URL committed to memory?? If we did, how many would rather open their Web browser, type in the URL and then hit return Than to click on a URL in a post NO ONE So, no one will see your Mali meteorites. Michael on 11/18/07 10:15 AM, steve arnold at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all.I am happy to let you all know that I just put up a new meteorite page on my website.It is MALI!I have gotten a little over a kilo in all very nice individuals.Please view at your liesure. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jesus was killed by a stress position. In the US it is now legal to place People in a stress position. (sometimes, For days - as well as repeated drowning Simulations, refrigeration and boxes that Do not allow sitting, standing or lying down). No trial, no lawyer, just torture. You can thank King George, a complacent Senate and a willing citizenry. Didn't we used to be the good guys? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new mali meteorite page
Heres the link. Steve, it would be a good idea to post a link. Extremely simple to do. http://chicagometeorites.net/id53.html Bob - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new mali meteorite page Steve, We have told you over and over: IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE LINK IN YOUR POST NO ONE WILL GO THERE! No one. What do you think, we all yave your webpage URL committed to memory?? If we did, how many would rather open their Web browser, type in the URL and then hit return Than to click on a URL in a post NO ONE So, no one will see your Mali meteorites. Michael on 11/18/07 10:15 AM, steve arnold at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all.I am happy to let you all know that I just put up a new meteorite page on my website.It is MALI!I have gotten a little over a kilo in all very nice individuals.Please view at your liesure. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jesus was killed by a stress position. In the US it is now legal to place People in a stress position. (sometimes, For days - as well as repeated drowning Simulations, refrigeration and boxes that Do not allow sitting, standing or lying down). No trial, no lawyer, just torture. You can thank King George, a complacent Senate and a willing citizenry. Didn't we used to be the good guys? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new mali meteorite page
Thanks for sharing Steve. I especially enjoyed the photos of the smaller Mali Meteorites with the dirty hands. Maybe investing in a little soap is in order. Don --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all.I am happy to let you all know that I just put up a new meteorite page on my website.It is MALI!I have gotten a little over a kilo in all very nice individuals.Please view at your liesure. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Canyon Diablo Graphite Nodule Slices End Cuts
Canyon Diablo Graphite Nodule Slices End Cuts I just finished processing a Canyon Diablo Graphite Nodule into some slices end cuts Here is a image of the available pieces fresh off the saw. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Graphite/SlicesEndCuts1.jpg I am asking $2.50 per gram I still have to sand and polish these pieces but I want to do that as they sell and the final price will be dependent on the finished weight If you would like to buy a piece please contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com Thanks PS: Yes, I still have a piece that I have set aside to make a 50mm sphere :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PICASSOS meteorite from chergach /MALI
hello list members, this is not an AD ,or sales,. this 285 gr melt breccia, already sold , . but it's fantastic meteorite and wonderfull breccia and deserve to be seen,. HOW THIS CHERGACH FALL IS DIVERSE . la diversite de cette chute incroyable boulverse par la beaute de ce morceau de meteorite.qui une merveille breche.picassos a peut etre fait un voyage dans le temps. mais non c'est l'oeuvre d'allah. si je continue j'ecrirais un poeme pour la beaute de cette breche. so, enjoy , please go to picassos album. http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/ all the best; aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] carancas
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:49:03 -0800, you wrote: Hi Mike, Since he mentioned I was the one who sold it, The price also reflects on my business (which may be what was at question to begin with). I sold the 1.118g Carancas for $110- ($100/g). Best wishes, Michael Wanna buy it back and sell it again? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290182827211 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new mali meteorite page
Steve-neverending-spam storry begin. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Steve, We have told you over and over: IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE LINK IN YOUR POST NO ONE WILL GO THERE! No one. What do you think, we all yave your webpage URL committed to memory?? If we did, how many would rather open their Web browser, type in the URL and then hit return Than to click on a URL in a post NO ONE So, no one will see your Mali meteorites. Michael on 11/18/07 10:15 AM, steve arnold at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all.I am happy to let you all know that I just put up a new meteorite page on my website.It is MALI!I have gotten a little over a kilo in all very nice individuals.Please view at your liesure. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jesus was killed by a stress position. In the US it is now legal to place People in a stress position. (sometimes, For days - as well as repeated drowning Simulations, refrigeration and boxes that Do not allow sitting, standing or lying down). No trial, no lawyer, just torture. You can thank King George, a complacent Senate and a willing citizenry. Didn't we used to be the good guys? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ NOD32 2665 (20071117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammers page updated with more than 50 links
Hi to all that are interested in Japanese meteorites I have added more than 50 new links and four photos (thanks to Paolo Gallo, Christian Anger, and Martin Horesji). I hope that you find the webpage of interest and use. Thank you. http://meteoritesjapan.com/japmets.aspx Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammers page updated with more than 50 links
Hi to all that are interested in Japanese meteorites I have added more than 50 new links to Japanese photos and pages, and four photos (thanks to Paolo Gallo, Christian Anger, and Martin Horesji). I hope that you find the webpage of interest and use. Thank you. http://meteoritesjapan.com/japmets.aspx Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.MeteoritesJapan.com www.InsekiJapan.com IMCA 5677 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] carancas
and you'll make a $10 profit. - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] carancas On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:49:03 -0800, you wrote: Hi Mike, Since he mentioned I was the one who sold it, The price also reflects on my business (which may be what was at question to begin with). I sold the 1.118g Carancas for $110- ($100/g). Best wishes, Michael Wanna buy it back and sell it again? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290182827211 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammers pageupdated with more than 50 links
I was just going over it Dirk, very cool Of note Nogata fell in the year 861 as you stated Look how well preserved this piece is 1146 years of curation I checked all sources and they confirm 861 as the fall date, some mention Julian Calendar in that date. As I can not find a plausible conversion of Julian 861 to Gregorian date (all converters lead me to a negative year) is this to mean that Julian dating was used to calculate the Gregorian date of 861? Damn that's old, predates them all and looks fresher than Mali Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammers pageupdated with more than 50 links Hi to all that are interested in Japanese meteorites I have added more than 50 new links and four photos (thanks to Paolo Gallo, Christian Anger, and Martin Horesji). I hope that you find the webpage of interest and use. Thank you. http://meteoritesjapan.com/japmets.aspx Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Lodranite Breccia
Dear Collector, Up for sale, a very nice complete Breciated Lodranite 80g for sale. Photos and price on request. My best Aziz Alhyane Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Images of my 360 Gram Canyon Diablo Graphite Nodule End Cut
I just finished the For Sale Page on my web site for the 360 Gram Canyon Diablo Graphite Nodule End Cut I know I posted an ad earlier but this is just and show off email. This material is amazing and I can't wait to have a sphere made from it Here is a link to my web page for this item http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20CDGN.htm Let me know what think Thanks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammers page updated with more than 50 links
Wonderful page Dirk, very informative. See you in Tokyo in three weeks. Michael Farmer --- drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all that are interested in Japanese meteorites I have added more than 50 new links and four photos (thanks to Paolo Gallo, Christian Anger, and Martin Horesji). I hope that you find the webpage of interest and use. Thank you. http://meteoritesjapan.com/japmets.aspx Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammerspageupdated with more than 50 links
Hi, Rob, List, You couldn't have found a nicer mess to land in: calendars! Simple answers first: if a source specifies Julian calendar for the date of an event, it almost certainly means the event's date in the Julian calendar system, proposed and enforced by Augustus, Julius Caesar's adopted son and first Emperor of Rome. By the time Pope Gregory XIII decided the calendarical slide had gone far enough, the Julian calendar of 1700 and the astronomical calendar were 11 days apart, by the 1800's when Protestant Europe adopted the Gregorian calendar, it was 12 days off. By 1917, when revolutionary Russians changed their calendars, it was 13 days. The Julian lags by one day every 143 years (since Year 1 AD). So, an event in 861 is off (behind) by about 6.021 days, or in practical terms 6 days. But it's messier than that. For example, when does a year begin? Jan. 1? No, not for most of the past two millennia. Do climate scientists who evaluate temperature records from the past centuries for proof of global warming actually know what day of the year is meant in the records? (The answer to that one is no.) Were calendars, at a given time, the same in all countries? No. JULIAN CALENDAR The Roman calendar began the year on 1 January, and this remained the start of the year after the Julian reform. However, even after local calendars were aligned to the Julian calendar, they started the new year on different dates. The Alexandrian calendar in Egypt started on 29 August (30 August after an Alexandrian leap year). Several local provincial calendars were aligned to start on the birthday of Augustus, 23 September. The indiction caused the Byzantine year, which used the Julian calendar, to begin on 1 September; this date is still used in the Eastern Orthodox Church for the beginning of the liturgical year. When the Julian calendar was adopted in Russia in AD 988 by Vladimir I of Kiev, the year was numbered Anno Mundi 6496, beginning on 1 March, six months after the start of the Byzantine Anno Mundi year with the same number. In 1492 (AM 7000), Ivan III, according to church tradition, realigned the start of the year to 1 September, so that AM 7000 only lasted for six months in Russia, from 1 March to 31 August 1492. During the Middle Ages 1 January retained the name New Year's Day (or an equivalent name) in all Western European countries (affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church), since the medieval calendar continued to display the months from January to December (in twelve columns containing 28 to 31 days each), just as the Romans had. However, most of those countries began their numbered year on 25 December (the Nativity of Jesus), 25 March (the Incarnation of Jesus), or even Easter, as in France. In England before 1752, 1 January was celebrated as the New Year festival, but the year starting 25th March was called the Civil or Legal Year, although the phrase Old Style was more commonly used. To reduce misunderstandings on the date, it was not uncommon in parish registers for a new year heading after 24 March for example 1661 had another heading at the end of the following December indicating 1661/62. This was to explain to the reader that the year was 1661 Old Style and 1662 New Style. Most Western European countries shifted the first day of their numbered year to 1 January while they were still using the Julian calendar, before they adopted the Gregorian calendar, many during the sixteenth century. The following table shows the years in which various countries adopted 1 January as the start of the year. Eastern European countries, with populations showing allegiance to the Orthodox Church, began the year on 1 September from about 988. Note that as a consequence of change of New Year, 1 January 1751 to 24 March 1751 are non-existent dates in England. The Julian calendar was in general use in Europe and Northern Africa from the times of the Roman Empire until 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII promulgated the Gregorian Calendar. Reform was required because too many leap days are added with respect to the astronomical seasons on the Julian scheme. On average, the astronomical solstices and the equinoxes advance by about 11 minutes per year against the Julian year. As a result, the calculated date of Easter gradually moved out of phase with the moon. While Hipparchus and presumably Sosigenes were aware of the discrepancy, although not of its correct value, it was evidently felt to be of little importance at the time of the Julian reform. However, it accumulated significantly over time: the Julian calendar gained a day about every 134 years. By 1582, it was ten days out of alignment. The Gregorian Calendar was soon adopted by most Catholic countries (e.g. Spain, Portugal, Poland, most of Italy). Protestant countries followed later, and the countries of Eastern Europe even later. In the British Empire (including the American colonies), Wednesday 2 September 1752 was
Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammerspageupdated with more than 50 links
OK, so +/- 6 days then. Just busting chops Sterling, your posts are always amazingly insightful, thanks for that. You and Bernd...juggernauts...or robots...need to run some tests. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammerspageupdated with more than 50 links Hi, Rob, List, You couldn't have found a nicer mess to land in: calendars! Simple answers first: if a source specifies Julian calendar for the date of an event, it almost certainly means the event's date in the Julian calendar system, proposed and enforced by Augustus, Julius Caesar's adopted son and first Emperor of Rome. By the time Pope Gregory XIII decided the calendarical slide had gone far enough, the Julian calendar of 1700 and the astronomical calendar were 11 days apart, by the 1800's when Protestant Europe adopted the Gregorian calendar, it was 12 days off. By 1917, when revolutionary Russians changed their calendars, it was 13 days. The Julian lags by one day every 143 years (since Year 1 AD). So, an event in 861 is off (behind) by about 6.021 days, or in practical terms 6 days. But it's messier than that. For example, when does a year begin? Jan. 1? No, not for most of the past two millennia. Do climate scientists who evaluate temperature records from the past centuries for proof of global warming actually know what day of the year is meant in the records? (The answer to that one is no.) Were calendars, at a given time, the same in all countries? No. JULIAN CALENDAR The Roman calendar began the year on 1 January, and this remained the start of the year after the Julian reform. However, even after local calendars were aligned to the Julian calendar, they started the new year on different dates. The Alexandrian calendar in Egypt started on 29 August (30 August after an Alexandrian leap year). Several local provincial calendars were aligned to start on the birthday of Augustus, 23 September. The indiction caused the Byzantine year, which used the Julian calendar, to begin on 1 September; this date is still used in the Eastern Orthodox Church for the beginning of the liturgical year. When the Julian calendar was adopted in Russia in AD 988 by Vladimir I of Kiev, the year was numbered Anno Mundi 6496, beginning on 1 March, six months after the start of the Byzantine Anno Mundi year with the same number. In 1492 (AM 7000), Ivan III, according to church tradition, realigned the start of the year to 1 September, so that AM 7000 only lasted for six months in Russia, from 1 March to 31 August 1492. During the Middle Ages 1 January retained the name New Year's Day (or an equivalent name) in all Western European countries (affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church), since the medieval calendar continued to display the months from January to December (in twelve columns containing 28 to 31 days each), just as the Romans had. However, most of those countries began their numbered year on 25 December (the Nativity of Jesus), 25 March (the Incarnation of Jesus), or even Easter, as in France. In England before 1752, 1 January was celebrated as the New Year festival, but the year starting 25th March was called the Civil or Legal Year, although the phrase Old Style was more commonly used. To reduce misunderstandings on the date, it was not uncommon in parish registers for a new year heading after 24 March for example 1661 had another heading at the end of the following December indicating 1661/62. This was to explain to the reader that the year was 1661 Old Style and 1662 New Style. Most Western European countries shifted the first day of their numbered year to 1 January while they were still using the Julian calendar, before they adopted the Gregorian calendar, many during the sixteenth century. The following table shows the years in which various countries adopted 1 January as the start of the year. Eastern European countries, with populations showing allegiance to the Orthodox Church, began the year on 1 September from about 988. Note that as a consequence of change of New Year, 1 January 1751 to 24 March 1751 are non-existent dates in England. The Julian calendar was in general use in Europe and Northern Africa from the times of the Roman Empire until 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII promulgated the Gregorian Calendar. Reform was required because too many leap days are added with respect to the astronomical seasons on the Julian scheme. On average, the astronomical solstices and the equinoxes advance by about 11 minutes per year against the Julian year. As a result, the calculated date of Easter gradually moved out of phase
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List, Mark Bostick`s Chatroom is open. Please note that the link may have changed since you last used? This link should work? http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8p=meteorite+chatroomfr=ush1-mailu=www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.htmlw=meteorite+chatroom+%22chat+room%22d=QgtiLfL9PwSRicp=1.intl=us I got an error when I went to the site but hit the cached pages to enter on the search page. Thanks Mark!Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite chatroom open
List, Mark Bostick`s Chatroom is open. Please note that the link may have changed since you last used? This link should work? http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8p=meteorite+chatroomfr=ush1-mailu=www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.htmlw=meteorite+chatroom+%22chat+room%22d=QgtiLfL9PwSRicp=1.intl=us I got an error when I went to the site but hit the cached pages to enter on the search page. Thanks Mark!Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammerspageupdated with more than 50 links
Hi, Rob, Dirk, List The date May 19, 861 in the Julian calendar is May 25, 861 in the Gregorian calendar. The problem is that in 861, there is NO Gregorian calendar! So, roughly speaking, it is more accurate to say that the date given for the fall is in the same day-slot of the seasonal year as the May 25 is today, relative to the solstices or the perihelion of the Earth's orbit (+/- 1 day). But there is another coincidence worth noting. As Dirk points out, the box housing the meteorite and the script in which the date recorded is younger than the year 861 (of later date). The Japanese calendrical date given as the fall date April 8th. That is the traditional day in Japan to celebrate the birth of the Buddha and is a local festival date (Hana-matsuri or Kanbutsu-e). In China, the Birth of the Buddha is celebrated on the 8th day of the 4th month (=April 8) of the Chinese lunar calendar, a date which in the Western calendar varies from May 6 to 26, and lands on May 25 (the fall date in the Western calendar) more than any other. (Lunar calendars oscillate back and forth over the solar calendar in a 13 year cycle.) Further west, the date is moved one week later to the 15th day, 4th month of the lunar year (April 15) to coincide with the Full Moon, which conveniently always falls in the middle of a lunar moon-th. In many other regions, Buddha's Birthday is whenever the Full Moon lands in the May of the Western calendar. Given the fact that the assignment of the date is not contemporary with the fall and that the date has other significances, it may be that the assigned date is just that: assigned at a later time for reasons of appropriateness. (A polite way of saying the DATE of the year may be made up.) It is much more likely that the YEAR is totally accurate. This is usually the case with ancient records, that they are accumulated as annals, yearbook, and so forth, as they have for millennia. It's still a heck of long time to take good care of a meteorite! Sterling - - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD. Japan Meteorite Falls/Finds/Hammerspageupdated with more than 50 links OK, so +/- 6 days then. Just busting chops Sterling, your posts are always amazingly insightful, thanks for that. You and Bernd...juggernauts...or robots...need to run some tests. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Heidelbergensis-Zhamanshin dates
Andi - Yes, Andi, time runs in one direction. One problem is in taxonomy, as I point out in footnote 22: While some would lump Homo heidelbergensis with erectus, my intent here is solely to point out certain catastrophes which most certainly affected the evolution of modern man. Although this is another area under intense study and debate, my guess is that all erectus descendants were still able to interbreed by this time, and likely continued to be able to do so for some time afterwards. Another problem lies with samples. You must remember that just because no earlier Heidelbergensis has been found, that does not mean that an earlier date did not occur. Excavations in China and Russia, including especially the coastal areas, have been limited in recent decades. H.'s documented range, if you accept that Heidelbergensis was distinct from Erectus, indicates an earlier time. The important point here is that regardless of taxonomy, erectus or heidelbergensis, man is around and hunting probiscidonts (ancient elephants - hope I spelled that right) with spears at the time of the Zhamanshinite impact, and that massive impact occurs in the middle of his range. As a bonus consolation to you, there are mistakes in my book, and I find them irritating. Some are due to what was known at the time. In particular I used an end paleo date (8,350 BCE) for the holocene start impacts, now known at 10,900 BCE. The 8,350 BCE discontinuity most likely reflects yet another impact. Also, information on Savanah River ethnography has only recently become available. There are several other errors, but one that really irritates me is that the term Nodena was redefined by the anthropologists to apply to another type of pottery rather than the sandy fabric ware I was seeking to note. I tried to make my book as easy to understand as I could, but it is not for everyone. It would have been nice to have had an editorial staff, and graphics arts dept, and distributor. I didn't have those. It also would have helped if I had not had a stroke, and a pack of insane people to deal with - but I did. I just hope I didn't blow the scaling laws too bad. You might find this hard to believe, but some people think my book is a great book. I'm sorry you're not one of them. My offer to you stands, donate your copy to a university, send me the letter, and I'll send you what you paid. You know, there was a lot of material about Native Americas and meteorites that I wanted to write up, but instead we had that big discussion about Hibben. Right now, I feel like the book is going to do very well, right after it kills me. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas --- Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi E.P. So you agree Zhamanshinite is around 900 000 years old,at the actual point of science. And Hidelbergensis is 500 000 -600 000 years old, also at the actual point of science. If you like, count Homo antecessor to Heidelbergensis, so you would reach maximum age for Heidelbergensis of 800 000 years, still 100 000 years after the Zhamanshinite event. So how can a species be split, that not exist at the time of the event?. Time is going just in one direction. Andi Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: thin Muong Nong Tektite slices
Hello everyone, Don't know why, but I don't see many tektite slices for sale for study. I suspect it's because a) nobody else is interested :-) and b) splash forms tend to self-destruct if you try to cut them. I cut some slices off a small Muong Nong (layered) tektite and thought I'd toss them out to see if anyone else is interested. I posted some pictures here: http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/MuongNong/ Didn't invest much time and the photos aren't great but will hopefully suffice. I borrowed a light box my wife has for crafts and it's not very bright. You will find pictures of: a set of ultra thin pieces, three thicker pieces (pic is mostly for size reference), one of the thicker pieces backlit with a small mag-light flashlight, and a comparison of the thicknesses I was surprised how opaque this stuff really is - at least compared to a splahsform that I cut once. The ultra-thin ones are straight off the saw. I will polish the saw marks out of the thicker pieces but don't have the equipment to truly polish them. Not sure how to price them since the material isn't very expensive, but they weren't easy to cut (at least on my simple setup) so figure that the cost is mostly for my effort. How about this: Thin slices: $15 for the ultra-thin full slice (top left) $7.50 each for the three mid-size pieces $5 each for the two small micros (bottom right) Thicker slices $10 each for the full slices And add $3 for packing and shipping. Thanks and regards, Phil __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Heidelbergensis-Zhamanshin dates
Hi, E.P., List, EP Wrote: Right now, I feel like the book is going to do very well, right after it kills me. For writers, poets, painters, and the like, to use an elegant phrase coined by the late Dylan Thomas: Death is like the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval for us... He made the remark in a New York interview and I'm pretty sure he was drunk on his ass when he said it (well, OK, that was most of the time). I mean, the late Dylan Thomas would know, wouldn't he? I would think so. Moving right along, Mr. Heidelbergensis is a species that has often been proposed for the dubious honor of being submerged, or sunk, as some toxonomists call it, meaning that there is considerable doubt that Mr. H. is worthy of being set up as a unique and individual species of the genus homo all on his own. Of course, most of the doubters of Mr. H. live a lot further away from Heidelberg than Andi does! There is a homo sapies process going on here. Say you are a homo sapiens paleoanthropologist and you find an archaic homo who is not a sap. Are you going to look like more of a hot shot if your new homo specimen is a unique species or just another archaic man? Well, naturally, there is more prestige in a discovering a unique species than saying I found another archaic hominid, nothing special? So, every digger claims his group of specimens as a SPECIES. Some toxonomists (the ones who dig and find mostly) are SPLITTERS (as they're called) and some toxonomists (the ones that sit home and synthesize) are LUMPERS. If you left taxonomy to field workers, we'd end with North New Jersey Man and South New Jersey Man as separate species... and some guy that claims Central New Jersey Man is a separate species! The books are littered with specious species that likely only exist in the brains of their discoverers. There are even cases of groups of individuals that are found together in one location in family groups that are so radically different that other diggers say they're two species while their discoverer says they're one very dimorphic species... Never ask a Man to study Man -- we're too close to the problems. Now, I'm not saying Mr. H. is not his own Man, but this sort of thing is a major problem in the field. I take no stand on Mr. H. and his family relations. Cousin H. can have Thanksgiving Dinner with me, just like one of the family... Personally, I believe that archaic man, like modern man, was one continuously variable, inter-breeding species. In Modern Man, 85 percent of all human genetic variation exists within human populations, whereas about only 15 percent of variation exists between populations. I think if we had genes for the archaics, we'd find the same sort of thing, great variety despite being essentially a single genetic branching pool. That's my heresy, and I'm sticking to it. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Heidelbergensis-Zhamanshin dates Andi - Yes, Andi, time runs in one direction. One problem is in taxonomy, as I point out in footnote 22: While some would lump Homo heidelbergensis with erectus, my intent here is solely to point out certain catastrophes which most certainly affected the evolution of modern man. Although this is another area under intense study and debate, my guess is that all erectus descendants were still able to interbreed by this time, and likely continued to be able to do so for some time afterwards. Another problem lies with samples. You must remember that just because no earlier Heidelbergensis has been found, that does not mean that an earlier date did not occur. Excavations in China and Russia, including especially the coastal areas, have been limited in recent decades. H.'s documented range, if you accept that Heidelbergensis was distinct from Erectus, indicates an earlier time. The important point here is that regardless of taxonomy, erectus or heidelbergensis, man is around and hunting probiscidonts (ancient elephants - hope I spelled that right) with spears at the time of the Zhamanshinite impact, and that massive impact occurs in the middle of his range. As a bonus consolation to you, there are mistakes in my book, and I find them irritating. Some are due to what was known at the time. In particular I used an end paleo date (8,350 BCE) for the holocene start impacts, now known at 10,900 BCE. The 8,350 BCE discontinuity most likely reflects yet another impact. Also, information on Savanah River ethnography has only recently become available. There are several other errors, but one that really irritates me is that the term Nodena was redefined by the anthropologists to apply to another type of pottery rather than the sandy fabric ware I was seeking to note. I tried to make my book
