[meteorite-list] Meteorite Bake-Off!
Was in a fun mood and thought I'd post something funny and entertaining. OK, everyone get ready for the worlds first Meteorite Bake-Off! Featuring meteorite recipes from all across the world from world famous meteorite chefs. Fun and exotic gourmet recipes like: Meteorite Flambé Broiled Lemon Pepper Pallasite 7 Pepper Siderite Crispy Chondrite Crunch Seasoned Sikhote Kebab Spicy Canyon Diablo Fajitas Campo Chowder with Chives Filet Muonionalista Gibeon Grog Minced Millbillillie Brule These and other fine recipes will be available soon. Stay tuned... If you know of any other wonderful meteorite recipes please add a comment and let me know. Post your comments here: http://www.meteoritewatch.com/mw/node/12 Bon Appétit Eric MW __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers: sell anything to Bosnia?
If the story is to believed, the stones of crazy alien guy have been confirmed to be meteorites. Anyone here sell them to him? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/10/wbosnia110.xml 'Aliens' attack Bosnian man's home with meteors Last Updated: 10:53am BST 10/04/2008 A Bosnian man claims his home has been hit five times by meteorites. Radivoje Lajic claims he is being targeted by aliens and has reinforced his roof in Gornja Lamovite with a steel girder. He said: I am obviously being targeted by aliens. I dont know what I have done to annoy them but there is no other explanation that makes sense. The chance of being hit by a meteorite is so small that getting hit five times has to be deliberate. The chances of just one meteor hitting your house is many billions to one. Belgrade University has confirmed that all the rocks Mr Lajic has handed over were meteorites, but not that they all hit his house. An investigation is under way into local magnetic fields to see if they have any influence. The first meteorite fell on Mr Lajics house in November and since then a further four have smashed into his home, he claims. The strikes happen when it rains, he said. I dont know why they are doing this. When it rains I cant sleep for worrying about another strike. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorite Stamp Extravaganza on EBay
Hi List. I lowered my Rare Meteorite Stamp Extravaganza on EBay for the last time! First come first served! If you been waiting for a price break don't miss it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160225749338 Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] any mali or bassikounou oriented pieces forsale
Hi list I am just checking to see if there are any oriented with flowlined pieces of mali or bassikounou forsale. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] All Canyon Diablo are Sold!!
Thanks everyone... Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Small Canyon Diablo for sale - cheap! 2 with holes!
Hi all, I have some very sold, sculpted, uncleaned CD's for sale. The weight is 1062 grams. If you buy for $250 i'll throw in over 400 grams of small fractured pieces for free. The 400 grams are nothing special, but heck they are free!! $5 ships them . http://www.mr-meteorite.com/canyondiabloforsale.htm Also two very rare small CD's with holes $3 per gram. http://www.mr-meteorite.com/canyondiabloswithhole.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 'Dino Killer' Asteroid Was Half the Size Predicted? CHICXULUB II
Hi, After having just posted (CHICXULUB I) that the most common size estimate for the Chicxulub impactor was 10 km, here comes: > The most recent computer models predicted a size of > 9 to 12 miles (15 to 19 kilometers) across... Those whacky computer modellers are at it again! To get up to this size, you either have to get the encounter velocity down to hardly moving with respect to the Earth (12 km/sec) or pump up the energy of the impact from the "old" estimate of 500 zettaJoules to 1500 to 2000 zettaJoules, or a bit of both. Or you just order up a fresh long-period comet only 3200 meters across but moving at 72 km/second! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 'Dino Killer' Asteroid Was Half the Size Predicted? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080410-sea-meteorites.html "Dino Killer" Asteroid Was Half the Size Predicted? Ker Than for National Geographic News April 10, 2008 The meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs might have been less than half the size of what previous models predicted. That's the finding of a new technique being developed to estimate the size of ancient impactors that left little or no remaining physical evidence of themselves after they collided with Earth. Scientists working on the technique used chemical signatures in seawater and ocean sediments to study the dino-killing impact that occurred at the end of the Cretaceous period about 65 million years ago. They also looked at two impact events at the end of the Eocene epoch, roughly 33.9 million years ago. In what could be a major scientific puzzle, the team's new size estimate for the dino-killing meteorite is a mere 2.5 to 3.7 miles (4 to 6 kilometers) across. The most recent computer models predicted a size of 9 to 12 miles (15 to 19 kilometers) across. The team notes that their findings could also mean that the makeup of the impactor is different from what scientists commonly assume. "We are hoping this will lead to further work," said study leader Gregory Ravizza of the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. Impact Fingerprints The fiery passage of asteroids and comets through Earth's atmosphere leaves chemical traces in the land, sea, and air. The most common types of meteorites to hit Earth are chondrites, stony objects that originate in the asteroid belt. Chondrites contain two different versions, or isotopes, of the naturally occurring element osmium: osmium 187 and osmium 188. Seawater and sediments also contain the two osmium isotopes, but the ratio of osmium 187 to osmium 188 is usually much larger in the ocean than it is in chondrites. When a small- to medium-size meteorite enters Earth's atmosphere, much of the object is vaporized and the osmium ratio in seawater around the world is temporarily decreased. Over time, this osmium imprint is transferred to sediments at the ocean bottom, creating a more enduring record of the impact. The new technique therefore looks for osmium spikes in ocean sediments and analyzes the isotope ratio. Scientists can then predict when an impact event occurred and the size of the projectile. The research is detailed in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science. Dramatic Upheaval In addition to the smaller Cretaceous impact, the team estimates that two known meteorites from the late Eocene were smaller than previously believed. Boris Ivanov, an impact modeler at the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that if the new size estimates prove correct, they would create a "dramatic controversy" within the impact physics community. "Most numerical modeling specialists believe the current modeling gives us fidelity of a factor of a few times the mass of a projectile with assumed average impact velocity," Ivanov said. Study co-author Francois Paquay, also at the University of Hawaii, said that more work needs to be done to confirm the latest estimates. "We think the discrepancy is important and it will need to be addressed in future [scientific] meetings," Paquay said. Jay Melosh, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University who was not involved in the study, called the new method a "potentially powerful" technique for filling gaps in the geologic impact record. "It's a very valuable contribution to the tool kit of ways we have of estimating the presence of impacts in the geologic record," Melosh said. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The wonderful wizards of Osmium CHICXULUB I
Hi, List, There's a little bit of "straw-manning" going on here (caution: science journalism at work -- theirs not mine). They say the accepted size estimate of the Chicxulub impactor is 15 km to 19 km. That's wrong. The most commonly accepted estimate is 10 km (although some favor 12 or 13 km). Their size estimate is based on the idea that all the osmium they found was ALL the osmium from the impactor. I doubt that the transport mechanism from impactor to ocean muck was 100% efficient. Two-thirds of the planet is ocean, one third land. If what what they found in the muck was two-thirds of the osmium? The impactor would be 5 km across instead of 4.4 km, not an astounding increase. All we know from the Chicxulub crater is the kinetic energy of the impact: not the size, not the speed, but the product of the two: mass times ( speed squared ). The Bang at Chicxulub was 100 TeraTons of TNT. (That's 500 Zetta- Joules, zetta being 10^21), or 100,000,000 MegaTons of TNT! A 5 km impactor weighs 1/8th of what a 10 km impactor of the same material would and so it would have to go 2.8 times faster when it hit (2.8 squared = 8). Interestingly, while we know the energy well, estimates of velocity are a little shy. Those that offer up big impactors keep the speed down and those that talk of smaller impactors boost the speed estimate appropriately. But if a 5 km stoney impactor did all that damage, we are talking about velocities in the neighborhood of 35 to 45 km/sec. A highly eccentric orbit is required to achieve those kinds of encounter velocities with the Earth. The most recent theory (I like it) of where the Chicxuluber came from is the breakup of the parent body of the Baptistina family of asteroids about 160 million years ago (the biggest survivor of which is 298 Baptistina). The high encounter velocity also encourages proponents of the comet impact theory. True, the press release says: "chemical traces of the impactors left behind in rocks... suggest otherwise," but you can forget that. The "traces" are of a carbonaceous chondrite, a likely composition for a "comet," which is afterall just an asteroid with extra frosting. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The wonderful wizards of Osmium http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13649-ocean-mud-yields-secrets-of-past-earth-impacts.html Ocean mud yields secrets of past Earth impacts 20:28 10 April 2008 NewScientist.com news service David Shiga Mud at the bottom of the ocean holds precious clues about asteroids that struck Earth in the past, a new study reveals. Scientists would love to have a better record of asteroid and comet impacts to understand how these catastrophic events have affected life and Earth's climate. But most impactors that made it through the atmosphere either gouged out a crater that was subsequently erased or splashed into the ocean. Now, scientists have developed a new tool to uncover these events, based on concentrations of the metal osmium found in mud at the bottom of the ocean. The technique was developed by François Paquay of the University of Hawaii in Honolulu, US, and his colleagues. Osmium atoms come in two varieties, or isotopes, one of which is slightly heavier than the other. Crucially, the osmium in meteorites is much richer in the lighter form than the stuff native to Earth. As a result, scientists can determine how much of the otherworldly stuff is present in any given deposit of the metal they find. Paquay's team has been looking for the metal in samples of ocean sediment obtained by drilling into the ocean floor. The sediment was laid down in layers over time, allowing scientists to date when they were deposited. Multiple strikes In 1995, members of Paquay's team pointed out high levels of the lighter osmium isotope - associated with extraterrestrial material - in ocean sediment laid down around the time of the impact that killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Since then, they have found another big spike in extraterrestrial osmium laid down at the time of another known impact event that happened 35 million years ago. At that time, multiple impacts shook the Earth in what is known as the Late Eocene impacts. The team estimates that 80,000 tonnes of osmium from the object that wiped out the dinosaurs was vaporised by the heat of the impact. It then dissolved into seawater and eventually accumulated on the ocean floor. The Late Eocene impacts 35 million years ago laid down an estimated 20,000 tonnes. Smaller impacts Based on these amounts, the team estimates that the dinosaur-killing object was 4.1 to 4.4 kilometres across, while the largest of the Late Eocene impactors would have been 2.8 to 3 km across. These are much lower than previous estimates base
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Source for Life's Handeness
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2008/April/08040801.asp Meteorite source for life's handedness Mark Peplow Chemistry World 08 April 2008 Scientists have long speculated that life's preference for left-handed amino acids may have been triggered by compounds brought to Earth by meteorites. Now they've shown exactly how two crucial steps in this process could happen. Carbonaceous chondrites, a relatively rare type of meteorite, are rich in carbon compounds including amino acids. One set of meteorite fragments, which fell on Murchison in Victoria, Australia, in 1969, contains more than 70 different amino acids. In 1997, Sandra Pizzarello of Arizona State University found that there was a small excess of the left-handed form, or enantiomer, of four amino acids in Murchison samples. Since then, scientists have been trying to prove how this handedness, or chirality, could have been transferred to all the other amino acids and sugars in biology; and how that small excess could have been amplified into a total preference for one enantiomer over another. Ronald Breslow of Columbia University, New York, and colleagues now claim to have convincing answers to both questions. 'I think we've come up with a credible story about how it happened,' says Breslow. He presented his work at the American Chemical Society meeting in New Orleans, US, on 6 April. Handy transfer The team studied how several amino acids - including alpha-methyl valine, alpha-ethyl alanine and alpha-methyl isoleucine - behaved when mixed with a primordial brew of other organic compounds and copper sulfate. The structure of these alpha-substituted amino acids means that they are unable to racemise, locking in their chirality. They found that the chiral amino acids reacted with ketoacids to form imines, which then lose carbon dioxide and fall apart to generate a new amino acid. Crucially, these new amino acids took on the handedness of the original chiral amino acids. Breslow says this is the first time that this kind of chirality transfer has been shown to be possible in plausible prebiotic conditions. Copper ions, a common constituent of meteorites, seem to play a critical role in shepherding the imine intermediate so that it adopts the correct handedness, says Breslow. And although ketoacids have not been found in meteorites, hydroxyacids and iron oxides - both present in meteorite samples - react readily together to form ketoacids, he adds. Once a slight excess of left-handed enantiomers had been transferred from meteorites, the chirality imbalance could have been amplified, Breslow's team then showed. Pairs of left- and right-handed molecules crystallise together out of solution, leaving behind a solution that contains more than a 90 per cent excess of the left-handed molecules. This procedure has also been developed by Donna Blackmond's group at Imperial College, London [1, 2], and Hiroyuki Koshino at RIKEN's Discovery Research Institute in Japan [3]. But Breslow points out that his team have also shown that pouring water through the mixture - mimicking rain falling into a pool - can enhance the amplification even further. Universal origins The amino acids present in the Murchison samples may have originally formed from reactions between ketones, ammonia and hydrogen cyanide - the kinds of simple compound that have already been found in protoplanetary disks circling young stars. Scientists have speculated that right-handed forms of amino acids in the meteorites could then be preferentially destroyed by circularly polarised light, generated by particles accelerated around neutron stars. Both processes have previously been replicated in the laboratory, although astronomers are still looking for more convincing evidence of this in the heavens. And some scientists are still not convinced that the Murchison samples were not contaminated after arriving on Earth. However, Breslow points out that their amino acids are rich in heavy isotopes of hydrogen, carbon and oxygen, typical of non-terrestrial material. 'That signature guarantees you're not talking about an Earth origin for the amino acids,' Breslow told Chemistry World. What's more, Pizzarello reported in February that a meteorite recovered from the pristine conditions of Antarctica also held a similar excess of left-handed amino acids [4]. Breslow's team is now trying to achieve the same chirality transfer and amplification effects using the nucleosides that make up RNA - thought by some scientists to be the first molecule on Earth to carry the information needed to make life. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Dino Killer' Asteroid Was Half the Size Predicted?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080410-sea-meteorites.html "Dino Killer" Asteroid Was Half the Size Predicted? Ker Than for National Geographic News April 10, 2008 The meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs might have been less than half the size of what previous models predicted. That's the finding of a new technique being developed to estimate the size of ancient impactors that left little or no remaining physical evidence of themselves after they collided with Earth. Scientists working on the technique used chemical signatures in seawater and ocean sediments to study the dino-killing impact that occurred at the end of the Cretaceous period about 65 million years ago. They also looked at two impact events at the end of the Eocene epoch, roughly 33.9 million years ago. In what could be a major scientific puzzle, the team's new size estimate for the dino-killing meteorite is a mere 2.5 to 3.7 miles (4 to 6 kilometers) across. The most recent computer models predicted a size of 9 to 12 miles (15 to 19 kilometers) across. The team notes that their findings could also mean that the makeup of the impactor is different from what scientists commonly assume. "We are hoping this will lead to further work," said study leader Gregory Ravizza of the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. Impact Fingerprints The fiery passage of asteroids and comets through Earth's atmosphere leaves chemical traces in the land, sea, and air. The most common types of meteorites to hit Earth are chondrites, stony objects that originate in the asteroid belt. Chondrites contain two different versions, or isotopes, of the naturally occurring element osmium: osmium 187 and osmium 188. Seawater and sediments also contain the two osmium isotopes, but the ratio of osmium 187 to osmium 188 is usually much larger in the ocean than it is in chondrites. When a small- to medium-size meteorite enters Earth's atmosphere, much of the object is vaporized and the osmium ratio in seawater around the world is temporarily decreased. Over time, this osmium imprint is transferred to sediments at the ocean bottom, creating a more enduring record of the impact. The new technique therefore looks for osmium spikes in ocean sediments and analyzes the isotope ratio. Scientists can then predict when an impact event occurred and the size of the projectile. The research is detailed in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science. Dramatic Upheaval In addition to the smaller Cretaceous impact, the team estimates that two known meteorites from the late Eocene were smaller than previously believed. Boris Ivanov, an impact modeler at the Russian Academy of Sciences, said that if the new size estimates prove correct, they would create a "dramatic controversy" within the impact physics community. "Most numerical modeling specialists believe the current modeling gives us fidelity of a factor of a few times the mass of a projectile with assumed average impact velocity," Ivanov said. Study co-author Francois Paquay, also at the University of Hawaii, said that more work needs to be done to confirm the latest estimates. "We think the discrepancy is important and it will need to be addressed in future [scientific] meetings," Paquay said. Jay Melosh, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University who was not involved in the study, called the new method a "potentially powerful" technique for filling gaps in the geologic impact record. "It's a very valuable contribution to the tool kit of ways we have of estimating the presence of impacts in the geologic record," Melosh said. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update: March 27 - April 02, 2008
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Advances Toward Midwinter - sol 1504-1510, March 27 - April 02, 2008: Seasons are about twice as long on Mars as on Earth and are offset relative to Earth because Mars takes about twice as long to complete one orbit around the Sun. At Spirit's location, the fall equinox -- the start of fall, when night and day are equal in length -- arrived Dec. 12, 2007. The winter solstice -- the time of year with the shortest day -- will arrive June 25, 2008. Solar array energy has varied from 244 watt-hours to 256 watt-hours, averaging 250.4 watt-hours for this period (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour). Tau, the measure of atmospheric dust, has averaged 0.16, varying by only a hundredth. The dust factor has been nearly constant at 0.35, meaning 35 percent of the sunlight reaching the arrays penetrates the dust layer to make electricity. A low Tau is good because it means the skies are fairly clear; a low dust factor is bad because it means the solar arrays are coated with a fair amount of dust. Astronomers use the symbol L(s) -- pronounced L-sub-s -- to denote how far Mars has progressed in its orbit around the Sun. If you imagine looking down at the solar system, with the Sun in the middle and Mars orbiting around it, L(s) gives the location of Mars. By definition, L(s) = 0 degrees when the Sun crosses the Martian equator. This is the first day of Martian spring, the vernal equinox, when night and day are equal in length, in the northern hemisphere. It's also the first day of fall, the autumnal equinox, in the southern hemisphere. At Spirit's location in Mars' southern hemisphere, the season is currently mid- to late fall, and L(s) is about 55 degrees, roughly equivalent to Nov. 17 in Earth's northern hemisphere and May 18 in Earth's southern hemisphere. L(s) will equal 90 degrees at the time of the winter solstice. Spirit is healthy and all subsystems are performing as expected. Sol-by-sol summary: To conserve energy, mission planners have restricted the number of sols on which Spirit receives direct-from-Earth instructions via the rover's high-gain antenna and transmits data to Earth via the Odyssey orbiter. Spirit continues, on a daily basis, to monitor atmospheric dust levels with the panoramic camera, check for drift (changes with time) in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and survey the sky and ground with the instrument. In addition, during the past week, Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1504 (March 27, 2008): Spirit calibrated the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and acquired a microscopic image of the capture magnet. Sol 1505: Upon awakening, Spirit took spot images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera and acquired column 6, part 1 of the full-color "Bonestell panorama" using all 13 filters of the panoramic camera. The rover also recharged the battery. Sol 1506: Spirit acquired column 6, part 2 of the Bonestell panorama and monitored dust on the panoramic-camera mast assembly. Spirit looked at the miniature thermal emission spectrometer for calibration purposes, acquired microscopic images of the solar panel, and acquired images of the external magnets, which capture magnetic dust particles, using the panoramic camera. Sol 1507: Spirit acquired column 6, part 3 of the full-color Bonestell panorama and recharged the battery. Sol 1508: Spirit acquired column 7, part 1 of the full-color Bonestell panorama and relayed data to Odyssey during the orbiter's afternoon pass overhead. Sol 1509: Spirit surveyed the sky at high Sun with the panoramic camera and completed a "runout" of previously loaded activities after not being able to receive new instructions from Earth. The rover recharged the battery and relayed data to Odyssey. Sol 1510: (April 2, 2008): Spirit acquired a 1-by-1-by-3 stack of microscopic images of a soil target known informally as "Arthur_C_Hammon" and placed the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer on the soil target. Plans for the following morning called for Spirit to acquire column 7, part 2 of the full-color Bonestell panorama. Odometry: As of sol 1509 (April 1, 2008), Spirit's total odometry was 7,528 meters (almost 4.7 miles). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The wonderful wizards of Osmium
http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13649-ocean-mud-yields-secrets-of-past-earth-impacts.html Ocean mud yields secrets of past Earth impacts 20:28 10 April 2008 NewScientist.com news service David Shiga Mud at the bottom of the ocean holds precious clues about asteroids that struck Earth in the past, a new study reveals. Scientists would love to have a better record of asteroid and comet impacts to understand how these catastrophic events have affected life and Earth's climate. But most impactors that made it through the atmosphere either gouged out a crater that was subsequently erased or splashed into the ocean. Now, scientists have developed a new tool to uncover these events, based on concentrations of the metal osmium found in mud at the bottom of the ocean. The technique was developed by François Paquay of the University of Hawaii in Honolulu, US, and his colleagues. Osmium atoms come in two varieties, or isotopes, one of which is slightly heavier than the other. Crucially, the osmium in meteorites is much richer in the lighter form than the stuff native to Earth. As a result, scientists can determine how much of the otherworldly stuff is present in any given deposit of the metal they find. Paquay's team has been looking for the metal in samples of ocean sediment obtained by drilling into the ocean floor. The sediment was laid down in layers over time, allowing scientists to date when they were deposited. Multiple strikes In 1995, members of Paquay's team pointed out high levels of the lighter osmium isotope associated with extraterrestrial material in ocean sediment laid down around the time of the impact that killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Since then, they have found another big spike in extraterrestrial osmium laid down at the time of another known impact event that happened 35 million years ago. At that time, multiple impacts shook the Earth in what is known as the Late Eocene impacts. The team estimates that 80,000 tonnes of osmium from the object that wiped out the dinosaurs was vaporised by the heat of the impact. It then dissolved into seawater and eventually accumulated on the ocean floor. The Late Eocene impacts 35 million years ago laid down an estimated 20,000 tonnes. Smaller impacts Based on these amounts, the team estimates that the dinosaur-killing object was 4.1 to 4.4 kilometres across, while the largest of the Late Eocene impactors would have been 2.8 to 3 km across. These are much lower than previous estimates based on the size of the craters associated with these events. These have given impactor size estimates of 15 to 19 km for the one that killed off the dinosaurs, and 8 km for the larger of two impactors involved in the Late Eocene impacts. What accounts for the difference? For one thing, the calculations by Paquay's team assume that 100% of the osmium from the impactors was vaporised and dissolved into seawater. If a smaller percentage actually ended up on the ocean floor, then the impactors could have been bigger. Comet impacts? But even after taking this into account, Paquay thinks the impactors were smaller than the crater-based calculations suggest. If the impactors were as large as these calculations imply, then 90% of the osmium from the impactors is hiding somewhere other than in ocean sediment. "We think that this is unlikely, but we can't rule this possibility out without additional work," he says. Another possibility is that the impacting objects were comets rather than asteroids, and contained much less osmium to begin with. But chemical traces of the impactors left behind in rocks and reported in previous studies suggest otherwise. Kenneth Farley of Caltech in Pasadena, US, who has studied other traces of impacts in sediment, but is not a member of Paquay's team, is impressed with the new method. "I am hoping that this technique will allow the detection of previously unknown impacts so we can get a better handle on impact frequency and assess whether and how impacts affect life and climate," he told New Scientist. Unique signature Although impacts are also known to contribute unusually large amounts of an element called iridium to sediment, the iridium concentrations are much harder to translate into impactor sizes, Farley says. Unlike osmium, extraterrestrial iridium does not have a unique isotope signature, so is harder to distinguish from iridium native to Earth. And while samples show osmium is laid down evenly across the planet, the distribution of iridium is very patchy, making it hard to draw conclusions without a large number of samples from different parts of the planet. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Cracks
Hi List, I enjoy seeing a whole individual meteorite of course, but when going over some stones close up, one of my favorite surface features to see are cracks. One particular favorite aspect of cracks for me is to see where molten material has flowed across both sides partially filling and adhering them together again. And then there is the different ablation effects that show up inside a crack that you might not see anywhere else on the stone. One example I can think of is where some of the material has been excavated and some left in place leaving a honeycomb appearance. I might not understand the dynamics involved in the formation of the cracks, but it appears to me in some cases that parts of the stone may have warped causing the crack to develop. On some stones where a fragment has split off early on in the passage through the atmosphere, I get the sense that the crack was a long time in developing (relatively speaking) as I have seen the honeycomb appearance on the newly exposed surface which I am assuming could have just as likely been made while the crack was developing. Anyway, I just find the (meteorite) cracks interesting and would always be interested in seeing examples if someone has some they wouldn't mind sharing. Mike in CO micro-hunter of southwest Colorado __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] original Ensisheim
Hello Dave, you're searching for a picture and text from the Ensisheim woodcut. You can find it in my book which is considered as the reference for french meteorites. It has all falls since Ensisheim up to Alby-sur-Cheran (the latest fall). Therefore it's the most complete source of information about french meteorites. I also added many meteorite falls or unofficial finds (of meteorites or terrestrial rocks once considered as meteorites) from 52 BC to today. The title of my book is "Les Meteorites de France" : http://meteor-center.com/books/lesmeteoritesdefrance.asp To order, you can get it from there : http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=pele&tn=meteorite&sortby=2 Best regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com _ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
Hi, Michael,
Not sure what comments you refer to. I said:
> Things always cost more, as a function of time.
This does not imply the two things you imply
that I implied. (Huh?)
If prices always go up, then you should buy as
soon as possible, before they go up more. And
conversely, if you own something the price of which
will go up, why sell now, when it will be worth more
later?
Changing prices influence but do not determine
what a collector does with his collection. Collecting
is an activity of desire. Collectors buy because they
want the thing sold more than they want the money.
Collectors sell the thing because they want the money
more.
Collectors are not investors. Some may invoke the
rationale and sometimes they may even convince a
spouse, for a while. Collectors are Collectors. Some
buy and sell constantly, because they like the action
(Windy City Steve?). Some juggle, improve, upgrade,
expand. Some just Collect.
So, is this a general offer to the List, to buy whole
collections?
Sterling K. Webb
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- Original Message -
From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List"
Cc: "Rob Matson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/
dirham's
Sterling,
Your comments imply 2 things:
1) If this is a BAD time to buy meteorites, it would be a GOOD time
For you to sell your collection - even if you had to take wholesale for
It - then just wait and buy a much bigger collection later. Please contact
me off list re selling me your collection.
2) This is a BAD time to buy, because prices will surely go down, the
Meteorite market is simply at a temporary high. HOWEVER, what if
These are the LOWEST prices that will be seen for the indefinite future?
What if these prices are much lower than they will be next year, the
Year after and so on?
Just some interesting questions, but I would like to buy your
Collection if you really trust your comments are solid ones.
Best wishes, Michael
on 4/9/08 1:09 AM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, Marketeers!
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market
>> for meteorites? That would add some price stability...
>
> Like the futures market equivalents for bundled subprime
> loans, the credit insurers and their "credit default slops"?
> Buy them for pennies on the dollar. They helped a lot (not).
>
>
> Dave wrote:
>> big oil is probably a good business to invest in at the
>> moment..."
>
> When everybody thinks a certain business is a good
> business to be in, the stock price is at a recent peak. You
> never buy a stock at its peak. Stocks never stay at their peaks;
> they fall off. If you wait and wait, maybe you can sell it
> again at the price you paid for it... someday. How can
> you make money that way?
>
> What you want to do is look around for a perfectly good
> business that is, however, NOT a good business to be in
> right this moment. [This is an example, not a recommendation.]
> Most of you know what flash memory is. That's the little card
> that goes in your camera to record the pictures on. It's the
> memory in Mp3 players and iPod Nano's and dozens of other
> devices.
>
> But these items are all consumer goods and folks are not
> buying consumer goods as fast as they used to, so the predictions
> for the growth of flash memory sales for the next year has fallen
> from a nearly 30% increase in sales to only a 7% increase. The
> herds of "stock sheep" have all run away from companies that
> make flash memory chips because they will probably have a
> low-growth year. Not a loss, just less growth.
>
> The largest maker of NAND flash chips in the US, SanDisk,
> had a stock price of nearly $60 last April. This April, a few days
> ago, it slipped down to $19.54 A smart buyer would know that
> after this current upset is over, consumer sales will rebound with
> pent up demand ("I can finally that new Mp3 player!") and SanDisk
> will be selling flash memory as fast as they can make it. I know
> this about smart buyers because, sure enough, SanDisk popped
> back up to nearly $30 in just one day as the smart ones swooped
> in and snapped it up at $20 (and dumped it again at $30). The really
> smart ones will hold it back to $60.
>
> I use this example because I missed it. Drat!
>
>
> Michael wrote:
>> I don't think anything will be available "cheaper" than it was
>> at the height of the market 7 or 8 years ago...
>
> Markets are just accumulated psychology. Things will get
> "worse" through this year. In January 2009, we will have a major
> change in government that will propose a lot of changes they say
> will make things "better." By spring 2009, many of them will
> become law. People will feel hopeful instead discouraged. They
> wi
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -April 10, 2008
Good catch, Martin! I never looked at the detail of that pic, but now that I have, I agree. Bummer! Farmer's specimen card said 'Pictured in Norton's RFS,' so I assumed the caption was correct in the book. Looks like it is the book that is incorrect. Michael Johnson, if you could delete that RFS reference in your RFSPOD April 10, 2008, that would be great. Thanks! Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dark Matter Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -April 10, 2008 Hi Bernd, Thanks for corrected correction. I remember talking to Richard a few years ago about a couple picture / caption issues in RFS, and I recall him saying something about the proofs from the publisher do not have the pictures embedded in them so all he can do is check the text of the pic without knowing for sure what pic will end up above the caption. Mislabeled pics, sideways pics and upsidedown pics are not rare in meteorite pubs. But either way, I think the system is better than having the captions many pages away and in need of a cross-reference to a plate and page number just to identify what's in the pic (ala Nininger). Cheers, Martin On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:45 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Martin, Mike and all, > > "How do I know this? Because the exact same picture > appears on page 188 with the presumed correct caption" > > I concur. Bruderheim is a beautiful chondrite. My partially crusted > part slice (6.2 gr) also comes from Mike Farmer and it looks pretty > much like Mike B's with those "rusty halos". > > As for the captions in RFS, it depends on the edition we have. The > 1998 edition still has the wrong cption while everything is properly > rendered in the 2001 (hardcover) edition. > > Cheers, > > Bernd > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How to become rich - FAST!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2008
Hi Bernd, Thanks for corrected correction. I remember talking to Richard a few years ago about a couple picture / caption issues in RFS, and I recall him saying something about the proofs from the publisher do not have the pictures embedded in them so all he can do is check the text of the pic without knowing for sure what pic will end up above the caption. Mislabeled pics, sideways pics and upsidedown pics are not rare in meteorite pubs. But either way, I think the system is better than having the captions many pages away and in need of a cross-reference to a plate and page number just to identify what's in the pic (ala Nininger). Cheers, Martin On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:45 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Martin, Mike and all, > > "How do I know this? Because the exact same picture > appears on page 188 with the presumed correct caption" > > I concur. Bruderheim is a beautiful chondrite. My partially crusted > part slice (6.2 gr) also comes from Mike Farmer and it looks pretty > much like Mike B's with those "rusty halos". > > As for the captions in RFS, it depends on the edition we have. The > 1998 edition still has the wrong cption while everything is properly > rendered in the 2001 (hardcover) edition. > > Cheers, > > Bernd > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April Meteorite-Times now up (Thin section examination!)
Hi Martin, It is good to hear from you. I think I can safely speak for every one and say we missed Accretion Desk! Let us all know how you are doing in Montana. Any meteorite hunting grounds! And list members, check out Martin's April Accretion Desk. There has been some recent discussion about oriented meteorites. How would you like to find the one pictured in the article. The Miller, Arkansas meteorite. Great story! Tom In a message dated 4/10/2008 10:41:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amazing pictures as usual Tom. Thanks! It is an honor to see your work since it seems every month you go where no man has gone before. Ever. Now I assume you didn't dismantle your son's Play Station 3 just to get your wave plate? And as I recall, last time I was at your house, you had a Wii. Maybe there's something good hidden in there to hook up to a microscope, and I know you have a screwdriver. Cheers and thanks again for the amazing pics. Martin **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] price of meteorites
I was looking through some of Niningers old letters from the 1930s and found that he bought the Springwater pallasite for 1US dollar per pound of meteorite. Taking into account inflation that amounts to about 12US dollars per pound today. Compare this with current prices which are running near 11,400US dollars per pound. Laurence __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2008
Hi Martin, Mike and all, "How do I know this? Because the exact same picture appears on page 188 with the presumed correct caption" I concur. Bruderheim is a beautiful chondrite. My partially crusted part slice (6.2 gr) also comes from Mike Farmer and it looks pretty much like Mike B's with those "rusty halos". As for the captions in RFS, it depends on the edition we have. The 1998 edition still has the wrong cption while everything is properly rendered in the 2001 (hardcover) edition. Cheers, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April Meteorite-Times now up (Thin section examination!)
Amazing pictures as usual Tom. Thanks! It is an honor to see your work since it seems every month you go where no man has gone before. Ever. Now I assume you didn't dismantle your son's Play Station 3 just to get your wave plate? And as I recall, last time I was at your house, you had a Wii. Maybe there's something good hidden in there to hook up to a microscope, and I know you have a screwdriver. Cheers and thanks again for the amazing pics. Martin On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:49 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, Each month I put a few images in an article called Micro Visions. > This month I show the use of an inexpensive wave plate for meteorite thin > section examination in cross polarized light. I have some very cool shots, > but > even better I have a series of 6 shots where I show one structure in bright > field, standard full cross polarized light and then in rotation with the use > of this wave plate. > > Please check it out. > > Tom Phillips > > In a message dated 4/8/2008 12:17:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Greetings Everyone, > > The April Meteorite-Times is now up. > http://www.meteorite-times.com/ > > Thank you again to all the writers! > > Paul and Jim > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What Started It All...?
This is a two fold Statement/Question. It could mean "What started it all! referring to my meteorite collection and adventures, or it could mean something way more profound than my insignificant little explanation... I'll leave it for you to decide. Some people have asked me what got me into meteorites. I've combined some old posts from my old list, and my original post with some updated info. Here it is... What do I love about meteorites? Short quick and dirty answer, EVERYTHING! The long answer... I love meteorites because of what they are, what they mean, and where they come from. I love meteorites because they are part of something way bigger than I am but I can hold them in the palm of my hand. I love meteorites because they make me wonder more about the origins of EVERYTHING! My Meteorite Obsession: It all started way back in August of 2007 when my girlfriend bought me my first meteorite. From there I started my first meteorite site MeteoriteWatch.com to showcase my meteorite and new found hobby. UPDATE: Since then, the site has evolved into something much more than a personal site about meteorites. My newfound hobby turned into and addiction and the addiction turned into a full blown obsession! I found myself asking the same old questions with new insight. How long did it take our planet to form? Where did all the material come from? What makes a planet form in the first place? Is our planet actually growing? What's at the core of our planet? How long does the Earth have left in it's planetary life cycle? This is why I love meteorites, because they can answer all these questions and more. They may even be able to tell us how life got here and ultimately where we come from! The possibility is there. That is amazing! I think that is why most people become researchers, scientists, physicists, cosmologists, and all the other related fields have one thing in common. They look for answers to the bigger question. Where are we from, and why are we here? Too deep? Maybe, but hey you asked for it... ;) Here are a few excerpts from an article I wrote for my meteorite dealer site. The Popularity Of Meteorites: Meteorites are ever increasing in popularity. Over the last few years more and more people are realizing the potential of meteorites. Intrinsically speaking meteorites are one of the very few things on this planet that ALL people can relate to. I don't know anyone that isn't fascinated by a meteorite once they hold one in their hand. There's something about meteorites that just make you "want" to hold it, and it give you some sense of knowledge. Read my article simply titled "11 Reasons Everyone Should Own A Meteorite." http://www.meteoritewatch.com/mw/node/20 Meteorites As Art: Many people view meteorites with an artistic eye. Meteorites are beautiful pieces of art from space and some sell for massive amounts of money. As meteorites grow in popularity so will this area of the industry. Bonhams' New York natural history auctions off some meteorites for as much as $105,000.00. This is a huge amount of money for a rock from space. The Demand For Meteorites Is High: As the popularity of meteorites grows, so too does the price. The are only so many meteorites on the planet, as more and more people buy meteorites, the supply will dwindle, demand will grow and the price for your average iron, or pallasite, will rise substantially. These treasured rocks from space are highly sought after by collectors and dealers alike and the price is only going to rise as more and more people buy them up. Take a look at the latest fall in Carancas, Peru. This chondrite is extremely valuable. Meteorite hunters and dealers traveled from all over the world to pick up pieces of this meteorite before it was all grabbed up. Now these specimens go for as much as $100 per gram or more. There are very few pieces of this meteorite available on the market right now. On a lighter note I like meteorites because they are a way for me to do what I like to do, travel, search, find, treasure hunt, adventure, and learning. I sell meteorites so I can collect, to finance my adventure, travels and equipment. Adventure unfortunately costs money, and meteorites afford me that fun! Hope this answers all your questions... ;) So, I answered! What do meteorites mean to you? Post Your Answers Here: http://www.meteoritewatch.com/mw/node/21 Regards, Eric MW __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2008
Hi Mike and all. Wonderful piece of Bruderheim. One of my favorites. Here's a pic of my specimen if interested: http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2007/February/bruderheim1.jpg However, upon further study of both your slice and that in Norton's RFS book, to me, the pic in the book looks more like Millbillillie then Bruderheim. The matrix of the picture you cited looks like it's filled with plagioclase needles and crystals characteristic of a glomeroporphyritic texture rather than that of an L6 chondrite. Also, Millbillillie is known for an extremely thin overall crust while Bruderheim often has a thick crust. And of course most readers have likely noticed that the picture of Bruderheim on page 189 looked a little too rich in chondrules. This is, of course, because that picture is not Bruderhiem at all but likely Moorabie, an L3 from Australia. How do I know this? Because the exact same picture appears on page 188 with the presumed correct caption. My suggestion is to scale a frontal shot of your piece and try to match the exact corner to one on the RFS pictured face. My eyeballed attempt could not find a match. Other thoughts? Best, Martin On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:19 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_10_2008.html > > > > > > > > > **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] European/US market comparison
Hi Graham, The Meteorite day will take place on Sunday, October 12th at the Cambridge Institute of Astronomy, Maddingly Road, Cambridge (uk), there will be a combination of short talks/lectures and stalls etc. Best Regards, Mark F. -Original Message- From: ensoramanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2008 10:36 To: Mark Ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] European/US market comparison Hi Mark, So where is the meteorite festival this year? Any details yet? Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell Mark Ford wrote: >Well put ... And ... don't forget in the UK we have The British and Irish >Meteorite Society too, with well over a hundred members (both collectors and >researchers). Additionally our members are always putting on exhibitions, as >well as donating rocks to planetariums and museums. Many members give lectures >and talks all the time. We also are holding a meteorite festival later in the >year. > >Best >Mark Ford > > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann >Sent: 09 April 2008 16:54 >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] European/US market comparison > >Hi E.P. > >In Europe is going on more than you would expect! >It only isn't noticed that much here on the US-list. > >I can speak only for Germany and there happened a lot in the very recent >times, bringing meteorites to a broader attention. > >List member Dieter Heinlein designed and equipped a meteorite exhibition >with accompanying booklet, which is on tour through museums and larger >planetaria (planetariums?). > >Stephan Decker, dealer and collector, made last year also an exhibition. > >Famous meteorite hunter Haberer is travelling around with power point and >slide shows about meteorites and his expeditions in Oman. > >Currently there is a special exhibition at the Planetarium/Observatory >Berlin. > >Last year there was a larger thematic exhibition, 3d-show ect about Planet >Mars at the planetarium/observatory Laupheim, also exhibiting Mars >Meteorites. > >The meteorite section in the Nat.Hist.Museum of Berlin was restored and >newly arranged. > >The Senckenberg-Museum in Frankfurt inherited the collections of the IMP >Mainz/Heidelberg and will install a permanent meteorite exhibition. >(Anyone involved here? When will it be ready?). > >We have the specialized meteorite fair in Gifhorn each year, > >and Ensisheim is only within a stone's throw from the boarder. > >The Munich show, as the largest fair in Europe is a meeting point for >meteorites too. > >Last year at the Dortmund mineral show the principal topic was meteorites. > >With the Ries Crater Museum we have a museum, specialized in meteorites and >craters only. > >The mighty curators and classifcators give talks and popular lectures about >meteorites at popular observatories. > >Two new meteorite books were published, >one a cool anthology of texts from all millennia and cultures related to >meteorites - edited by list member Matthias Baermann. >Second is a collection of various texts illuminating meteorites from >different angles to come to a more philosophical and cultural view. > >A public internet forum was installed, and is still growing. > >The iron now found in Antarctica was introduced with a press conference, >it was in all news, on tv, on radio, in the newspaper. >Soon it will be on display in a museum in Munich here, accompanied by >lectured, where the scientists will report about their experiences on the >Antarctic hunt. > >In a few weeks, a course of popular lectures will be held by several >meteoriticists in the Ries Crater, also with excursion to the crater >formations. > >And a lot of museums, popular observatories and planetaria do have >meteorites on display. > >A few years ago, the fall of Neuschwanstein was huge event, occupying the >media for many months - and also later, when the additional pieces were >found (and recently, when the lawsuit about the 3rd stone took place). >Villalbeto was reported in media too, Carancas of course. >Whenever a promising fireball as now over Switzerland and South-West Germany >appears, Thomas Grau is making wind in regional newspaper to get as much >eye-witnesses as possible. >And finally almost no week, where there isn't any documentation in TV about >meteorites, comets, impacts. > >In Austria list member Herbert Raab and the Austrian crew made an exhibition >last year, and at present list member Klaus Tschernschitz is planning one. > > > >>>My guess would be museum sales of inexpensive slices >>> >>> > >But happened already, is happening all the time. >Many gift shops of natural history museums or technical museums are offering >here small Canyons, 869ers, Campos, as well as some planetarium shops, >science centers and smaller and larger observatories too. > >But one special German problem we have, that most of those places with the >highest visitor numbers don't run their shops by their own, >but lease the
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2008
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[meteorite-list] NEW ZEALAND ROCK SHOW THIS WEEKEND
I am not sure if there are any New Zealand list members becides me and Joel but if there is anybody in Auckland this weekend there will be a rock and mineral show in Auckland's North Shore (Senior citizens center in Milford - across the parking lot facing the main entrance to Milford Mall). Email me if you need more details. I will be having some meteorites for sale including the ones in these two ebay auctions 180219010423 and 180219010434 (Email me also if you want a deal on these two). Cheers DEAN http://www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
Sterling,
Your comments imply 2 things:
1) If this is a BAD time to buy meteorites, it would be a GOOD time
For you to sell your collection - even if you had to take wholesale for
It - then just wait and buy a much bigger collection later. Please contact
me off list re selling me your collection.
2) This is a BAD time to buy, because prices will surely go down, the
Meteorite market is simply at a temporary high. HOWEVER, what if
These are the LOWEST prices that will be seen for the indefinite future?
What if these prices are much lower than they will be next year, the
Year after and so on?
Just some interesting questions, but I would like to buy your
Collection if you really trust your comments are solid ones.
Best wishes, Michael
on 4/9/08 1:09 AM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, Marketeers!
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market
>> for meteorites? That would add some price stability...
>
> Like the futures market equivalents for bundled subprime
> loans, the credit insurers and their "credit default slops"?
> Buy them for pennies on the dollar. They helped a lot (not).
>
>
> Dave wrote:
>> big oil is probably a good business to invest in at the
>> moment..."
>
> When everybody thinks a certain business is a good
> business to be in, the stock price is at a recent peak. You
> never buy a stock at its peak. Stocks never stay at their peaks;
> they fall off. If you wait and wait, maybe you can sell it
> again at the price you paid for it... someday. How can
> you make money that way?
>
> What you want to do is look around for a perfectly good
> business that is, however, NOT a good business to be in
> right this moment. [This is an example, not a recommendation.]
> Most of you know what flash memory is. That's the little card
> that goes in your camera to record the pictures on. It's the
> memory in Mp3 players and iPod Nano's and dozens of other
> devices.
>
> But these items are all consumer goods and folks are not
> buying consumer goods as fast as they used to, so the predictions
> for the growth of flash memory sales for the next year has fallen
> from a nearly 30% increase in sales to only a 7% increase. The
> herds of "stock sheep" have all run away from companies that
> make flash memory chips because they will probably have a
> low-growth year. Not a loss, just less growth.
>
> The largest maker of NAND flash chips in the US, SanDisk,
> had a stock price of nearly $60 last April. This April, a few days
> ago, it slipped down to $19.54 A smart buyer would know that
> after this current upset is over, consumer sales will rebound with
> pent up demand ("I can finally that new Mp3 player!") and SanDisk
> will be selling flash memory as fast as they can make it. I know
> this about smart buyers because, sure enough, SanDisk popped
> back up to nearly $30 in just one day as the smart ones swooped
> in and snapped it up at $20 (and dumped it again at $30). The really
> smart ones will hold it back to $60.
>
> I use this example because I missed it. Drat!
>
>
> Michael wrote:
>> I don't think anything will be available "cheaper" than it was
>> at the height of the market 7 or 8 years ago...
>
> Markets are just accumulated psychology. Things will get
> "worse" through this year. In January 2009, we will have a major
> change in government that will propose a lot of changes they say
> will make things "better." By spring 2009, many of them will
> become law. People will feel hopeful instead discouraged. They
> will feel "better," and guess what? Things will get "better."
> Accumulated psychology. Sympathetic magic.
>
> Everything will be "worth" more, says the science of economics,
> because they cost more. How do we know things will cost more?
> Things always cost more, as a function of time. Just dig up anybody
> over the age of 70 (with a working brain) and ask them what they
> once paid for a loaf of bread? A gallon of milk? Gasoline? A new car?
> (Answers to quiz: 11 cents, 50 cents, 19.9 cents, $1700.)
>
> The milk costs more because the cow costs more, the corn costs
> more, the gasoline to haul it costs more, and so forth. That, say the
> economists, is because they're "worth" more, whatever that means.
> Have you noticed any major improvements in cows? Corn? Gasoline?
> Me neither, but they're "worth" more now than they used to be. I'll
> bet those cows feel proud...
>
> As Rob pointed out, gasoline is "worth" just what it was in the
> 1970's. It only costs more because the dollar is worth less.
>
> As for what the dollar is "worth," Americans love to blame the
> behavior of their government's debt policy. Government debt is just
> an investment: bonds are sold, interest is paid on them. Buyers of
> debt do not think the dollar is worthless; afterall, they are going to
> be paid that interest in the debtor nation's currency, and be repaid in
> them too.
Re: [meteorite-list] original Ensisheim
Hi Dave, I suppose that you speak about the broadsheet of Sebastian Brant. This broadsheet was reproduced in numerous publications. The oldest book which we have in our library with the reproduction of the broadsheet dates 1915. Often we see only the woodcut illustrating the event and often in black and white. The original is in library of the university of Basel and will be again reproduced in our next book to seem in some months treating in detail all the French falls since Ensisheim up to Lançon. Here, you can see the woodcut in color: http://www.meteoritica.com/ensisheim_sale.html Best wishes, Philippe & Léa METEORITICA http://www.meteoritica.com/ Hi I was wondering where the orginal woodcut of the Ensi fall was actually reproduced? Was it a publication? Any knowledge on the original source?! thanks dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] European/US market comparison
Well put ... And ... don't forget in the UK we have The British and Irish Meteorite Society too, with well over a hundred members (both collectors and researchers). Additionally our members are always putting on exhibitions, as well as donating rocks to planetariums and museums. Many members give lectures and talks all the time. We also are holding a meteorite festival later in the year. Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 09 April 2008 16:54 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] European/US market comparison Hi E.P. In Europe is going on more than you would expect! It only isn't noticed that much here on the US-list. I can speak only for Germany and there happened a lot in the very recent times, bringing meteorites to a broader attention. List member Dieter Heinlein designed and equipped a meteorite exhibition with accompanying booklet, which is on tour through museums and larger planetaria (planetariums?). Stephan Decker, dealer and collector, made last year also an exhibition. Famous meteorite hunter Haberer is travelling around with power point and slide shows about meteorites and his expeditions in Oman. Currently there is a special exhibition at the Planetarium/Observatory Berlin. Last year there was a larger thematic exhibition, 3d-show ect about Planet Mars at the planetarium/observatory Laupheim, also exhibiting Mars Meteorites. The meteorite section in the Nat.Hist.Museum of Berlin was restored and newly arranged. The Senckenberg-Museum in Frankfurt inherited the collections of the IMP Mainz/Heidelberg and will install a permanent meteorite exhibition. (Anyone involved here? When will it be ready?). We have the specialized meteorite fair in Gifhorn each year, and Ensisheim is only within a stone's throw from the boarder. The Munich show, as the largest fair in Europe is a meeting point for meteorites too. Last year at the Dortmund mineral show the principal topic was meteorites. With the Ries Crater Museum we have a museum, specialized in meteorites and craters only. The mighty curators and classifcators give talks and popular lectures about meteorites at popular observatories. Two new meteorite books were published, one a cool anthology of texts from all millennia and cultures related to meteorites - edited by list member Matthias Baermann. Second is a collection of various texts illuminating meteorites from different angles to come to a more philosophical and cultural view. A public internet forum was installed, and is still growing. The iron now found in Antarctica was introduced with a press conference, it was in all news, on tv, on radio, in the newspaper. Soon it will be on display in a museum in Munich here, accompanied by lectured, where the scientists will report about their experiences on the Antarctic hunt. In a few weeks, a course of popular lectures will be held by several meteoriticists in the Ries Crater, also with excursion to the crater formations. And a lot of museums, popular observatories and planetaria do have meteorites on display. A few years ago, the fall of Neuschwanstein was huge event, occupying the media for many months - and also later, when the additional pieces were found (and recently, when the lawsuit about the 3rd stone took place). Villalbeto was reported in media too, Carancas of course. Whenever a promising fireball as now over Switzerland and South-West Germany appears, Thomas Grau is making wind in regional newspaper to get as much eye-witnesses as possible. And finally almost no week, where there isn't any documentation in TV about meteorites, comets, impacts. In Austria list member Herbert Raab and the Austrian crew made an exhibition last year, and at present list member Klaus Tschernschitz is planning one. >>My guess would be museum sales of inexpensive slices But happened already, is happening all the time. Many gift shops of natural history museums or technical museums are offering here small Canyons, 869ers, Campos, as well as some planetarium shops, science centers and smaller and larger observatories too. But one special German problem we have, that most of those places with the highest visitor numbers don't run their shops by their own, but lease them to extern firms - often firms which run shops in several museums. (they aren't so clever here like in other countries, where the shops and an own marketing bring good money for the museums). And the people in these firms have a background as accountants and as booksellers. - But you can't run a store of a Nat.Hist.Museum like a store of an arts museum. - They have indeed no clues about scientific stuff, the assortments in such shops are uniform - and it costs a lot of stamina to convince them to try some meteorites. (If they finally take them, they see that they are working well and selling). Not so regional and smaller museums, astronomy clubs ec
[meteorite-list] original Ensisheim
Hi I was wondering where the orginal woodcut of the Ensi fall was actually reproduced? Was it a publication? Any knowledge on the original source?! thanks dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
ROFLMAO :) Martin Altmann wrote: And I need some galaxies on my belly, Then I can demonstrate the expanding universe. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
