Re: [meteorite-list] That Indiana Report

2008-04-18 Thread AL Mitterling

Hi Doug and all,

Nope!!

--AL Mitterling

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Hi List,

Doesn't the Kokomo Indiana newsreport sound promising?

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15907638/detail.html

Best wishes,
Doug
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Re: [meteorite-list] the continuing bob evans saga

2008-04-18 Thread AL Mitterling

Hi Steve,

I have a feeling that Bob's troubles are just beginning.

--AL

steve arnold wrote:


Hi list.I really do not want to throw gas onto the fire,but this bob evans 
thing has really got me fried.A while ago he bought from me a piece of park 
forest.Ok no problem!Well sometime goes by and the next thing I know he has 
filed a complaint with paypal.NOT ONE REASON WHY HE DID IT!Paypal is trying to 
find out why he is filing the claim.I never hear one thing from bob as to why 
he did it.I email him 3 times as to find out what the hell is going 
on.NOTHING!!Well 2 weeks later after the claim paypal finds him in favor.For a 
lousy $60.I just want to know why he did it.Still know answer.Well after he 
gets his money,no park forest is returned to me.I have asked him twice.Still 
nothing.I know I cannot ask the IMCA to intervene because I am not a member,but 
I would like to be.But hay,if you got back your friggin' money just return my 
property to me and we will call it a day.But like mac has gone thru with him,I 
have dealt with him many times because of the
closeness of our towns.Well one word comes to mind when I describe 
him,CHEAP,CHEAP,and more CHEAP!!I am thru!

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!   The Asteroid Belt!
 



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[meteorite-list] Rovks from Space Picture of the Day - April 18, 2008

2008-04-18 Thread SPACEROCKSINC
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_18_2008.html   




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Re: [meteorite-list] Posting sources

2008-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello List,

I wouldn´t want to offer up my suppliers because I have spent a tremendous 
amount of time, money 
and stress to build and nurture my contacts. Granted, most are Moroccans, and 
most of them are 
offering material to everyone on the planet anyway.

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe




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 Sounds like a good solution Matt.

I would not want my name published on a website that I provide consignments 
if I did that sort of thing.  If I was a buyer and saw that dealer A had a 
specimen acquired from dealer B, I would just contact dealer B and see if 
they had any more and eliminate dealer A's mark up.

Would anyone expect Marting to reveal his source for his new Martian 
Meteorite?  Or Adam for NWA 5000?  I would bet that they will not reveal 
their planetary sources any quicker than I will.

Provenance, in my opinion, exists where old labels accompany the specimen, 
or it came from a museum or famous old collector of yesteryear.

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

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[meteorite-list] All List Members please read

2008-04-18 Thread bobe5531
Hello,

If you have purchased a meteorite from me and you question its authenticity , 
please contact me off list.
I intend on providing proof to you.

Thanks,
Bob E.
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[meteorite-list] Rovks from Space Picture of the Day - April 18, 2008

2008-04-18 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
it is a classic enstatite chondrite type E6, I have 2 paired
in my collection

matteo


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[meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??

2008-04-18 Thread wahlperry

Hi All,

Any more news on the new fall?

Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??

2008-04-18 Thread mexicodoug
Hi Sonny, Not that much more news other than I already posted unless 
this is of help.  It is a very large fall though only small fragments 
are being reported:


* These are the approximate coordinates of the 700 gram piece reported 
by the Agricultural Engineer Gabriela from the Nursury.  Sorry if they 
are off by a couple of meters:


31 Degrees 54'38.68 South
58 Degrees 19'50.76 West

* It is clear that hundreds (more like many thousands) of pieces fell 
in the surrounding population of Berduc in the Entre Rios municipality. 
 Several in Berduc (hundreds of meters from the Nursury where the 
largest piece was found) complained of their roofs being pelted with 
a hail of tiny black rocks.


* One residence in Berduc spoke about their experience (her name was 
withheld by the report), I'll paraphrase the woman who had about 25 
grams of fragments with fusion crust, for you:


We felt an illumination and it surprised us, but, we didn't pay that 
much attention, it might have been a car to it and kept watching 
television.


But the thing is, a little while later, we felt the piece [hit].  I 
would say um, one... right away...I'd say about five minutes just after 
the illumination; we looked out the windows and we didn't see any 
clouds, no lights, no vehicles, nothing.


Like who would throw rocks?  We went outside and turned on the outside 
light.   Well, we didn't want to go outside, we stayed inside, one 
always avoids doing that at night.  We thought was was that? but we 
stayed inside well, kept watching television and we were there along 
while. Then we left it like that, we didn't hear anything else, we did 
nothing but we were left with that thought- what could that have been?


Well today in the morning right when we got up, the first thing we did 
was go see was that was that rock, the dog was on his leash, and we 
said, what?, the dog we took to look, then I told my grandson, so go up 
on the roof, something happened on the roof last night, maybe a rock, 
and thats how it went, he climbed up on the roof, and he found these, 
little pieces of this.  Later, he began to look like he's looking now 
to see if there were more pieces that were bigger, since for us it was 
a larger piece that (shook?) the window.  This [rock with the burnt 
rind] is something new for us.  We're going to keep looking.  It was 
about 10:00PM, I don't know the exact time, maybe five minutes to ten 
[at night 6 April 2008].


* The Astronomical Association of Entre Rios started the search within 
two hours after the fall led by 29-year old Mario Peter Coordinato of 
the Astronomical Association who did an first rate and outstanding job 
with three co-members, without sleeping or even eating, interviewing, 
etc., tracking down the fall in the first hours through the night 
aftwer the bolide report at 10:03PM.  He did such a good job at 
documentation!!


* The Astronomical Association led by president Luis Trumper in an 
excellent documentary gave a long, interesting and entertaining 
presentation on the importance of meteorites in the study of the Solar 
System.  The documentary was of equal or better (!) quality than any I 
have seen anywhere in the world.  He should be heartily congratulated.  
He said says after the initial two day search, that they don't have 
resources to spearhead the search for more, but of course they'll be 
back to look for more.  He affirmed that the job is now in the hands of 
the National Guard/Border Poilce force and other official government 
police organizations.


* The fall is very close to the border [12 kilometers from the above 
coordinates, to be exact] and was observed in Uruguay, also. Gonzalo 
Tancredi, the IAU member from the University of the Republic of Uruguay 
who led the dumping of Pluto's Planetary by arguing it had been wrongly 
classified for the past 75 years, intends to go on a expedition to look 
for some pieces, too.


* The event created quite a spectacle in the media including a news 
helicopter, but strangely not many more pieces than the original 5 are 
being reported (though it is obvious many are in the hands of the 
locals).  It has been a great event orchestrated by the Astronomical 
Association in coordination with locals, local government officials, 
the National/Border Guard and federal police forces and media throught 
the region and capital.


* No photos of the 4-5 second 10:03PM bolide creating the meteorites 
have been confirmed in the first week or so, so far.


* It is a stony meteorite, somewhat fragile, fragmenting easily, 
possibly with shock veins, that moderately attracts a regular magnet.


So far there are two institutions who want to analyze the meteorite.  I 
think they are:

* Centro Austral de Investigaciones Científicas, CONICET, Argentina
* Another University group in Spain

oes this help ;)
Best wishes and Great Health,
Doug





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Re: [meteorite-list] another new argentina fall??

2008-04-18 Thread MeteorHntr
Let's hope they have the funds to both pay the people to 
do the proper field work and the funds to pay the lucky 
finders a fair reward in recovering specimens.

It is easy for a  government to say We get to keep 
everything but it is another for them to follow through 
and spend the hundreds of man hours to do an adequate 
field recovery operation.  

Of course the government of  Argentina has done little to 
recover and preserve the Campos that are still in the 
ground.  Here is their chance to do a witnessed fall 
correctly.  Apparently this is what they wished for last 
fall when they passed the new law, and now their wish 
has come true.

Steve Arnold
 


In a message dated 4/18/2008 2:54:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Sonny, Not that much more news other than I  already posted unless 
this is of help.  It is a very large fall though  only small fragments 
are being reported:

* These are the approximate  coordinates of the 700 gram piece reported 
by the Agricultural Engineer  Gabriela from the Nursury.  Sorry if they 
are off by a couple of  meters:

31 Degrees 54'38.68 South
58 Degrees 19'50.76 West

*  It is clear that hundreds (more like many thousands) of pieces fell 
in the  surrounding population of Berduc in the Entre Rios municipality. 
Several in Berduc (hundreds of meters from the Nursury where the 
largest  piece was found) complained of their roofs being pelted with 
a hail of tiny  black rocks.

* One residence in Berduc spoke about their experience (her  name was 
withheld by the report), I'll paraphrase the woman who had about 25  
grams of fragments with fusion crust, for you:

We felt an  illumination and it surprised us, but, we didn't pay that 
much attention, it  might have been a car to it and kept watching 
television.

But the  thing is, a little while later, we felt the piece [hit].  I 
would say  um, one... right away...I'd say about five minutes just after 
the  illumination; we looked out the windows and we didn't see any 
clouds, no  lights, no vehicles, nothing.

Like who would throw rocks?  We went  outside and turned on the outside 
light.   Well, we didn't want to  go outside, we stayed inside, one 
always avoids doing that at night.   We thought was was that? but we 
stayed inside well, kept watching television  and we were there along 
while. Then we left it like that, we didn't hear  anything else, we did 
nothing but we were left with that thought- what could  that have been?

Well today in the morning right when we got up, the first  thing we did 
was go see was that was that rock, the dog was on his leash,  and we 
said, what?, the dog we took to look, then I told my grandson, so go  up 
on the roof, something happened on the roof last night, maybe a rock,  
and thats how it went, he climbed up on the roof, and he found these,  
little pieces of this.  Later, he began to look like he's looking now  
to see if there were more pieces that were bigger, since for us it was 
a  larger piece that (shook?) the window.  This [rock with the burnt 
rind]  is something new for us.  We're going to keep looking.  It was  
about 10:00PM, I don't know the exact time, maybe five minutes to ten  
[at night 6 April 2008].

* The Astronomical Association of Entre Rios  started the search within 
two hours after the fall led by 29-year old Mario  Peter Coordinato of 
the Astronomical Association who did an first rate and  outstanding job 
with three co-members, without sleeping or even eating,  interviewing, 
etc., tracking down the fall in the first hours through the  night 
aftwer the bolide report at 10:03PM.  He did such a good job at  
documentation!!

* The Astronomical Association led by  president Luis Trumper in an 
excellent documentary gave a long, interesting  and entertaining 
presentation on the importance of meteorites in the study  of the Solar 
System.  The documentary was of equal or better (!)  quality than any I 
have seen anywhere in the world.  He should be  heartily congratulated.  
He said says after the initial two day search,  that they don't have 
resources to spearhead the search for more, but of  course they'll be 
back to look for more.  He affirmed that the job is  now in the hands of 
the National Guard/Border Poilce force and other  official government 
police organizations.

* The fall is very close to  the border [12 kilometers from the above 
coordinates, to be exact] and was  observed in Uruguay, also. Gonzalo 
Tancredi, the IAU member from the  University of the Republic of Uruguay 
who led the dumping of Pluto's  Planetary by arguing it had been wrongly 
classified for the past 75 years,  intends to go on a expedition to look 
for some pieces, too.

* The  event created quite a spectacle in the media including a news 
helicopter,  but strangely not many more pieces than the original 5 are 
being reported  (though it is obvious many are in the hands of the 
locals).  It has  been a great event 

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule close up!

2008-04-18 Thread Ingo Herkstroeter
Folks!

There is only one word to say: WOW This chondrule is so awesome, if
you don't have seen this fantastic chondrule till now, you should write
Tom a short note. It's a truly must see.

Don't hesitate...

Best wishes and a special THANKS to Tom

Ingo   

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Hi chondrule fan list members,  I wanted to share some micrographs of  a

chondrule.  The material is no big deal.  (It is pending but it  looks
like it 
will be L4/5.)

A chondrule?  You have got to see these  shots.  They were taken in
incident 
(reflected) cross polarized light  which, unlike transmitted Xpol, is
true 
color.  Just what it looks like up  close.  My first love in meteorite
microscope 
examination!

No thin  section, just a hand sample polished to 1/4 micron.

I have 5 images that  I can put in an email (nothing to down load).

If you like chondrules, you  will want to see this one.
 
I have done this before and I am up to nothing.  I am not harvesting
email 
addresses!  It may be some time before classification is complete and  I
won't 
post images to the Gallery until it is named.   Some of you  have
received 
email image files from me before, perhaps you could let the others  know
I am 
just sharing some cool shots and nothing more!

Tom  Phillips,  starsinthedirt  
 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule close up!

2008-04-18 Thread Darren Garrison
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:11:58 +0200, you wrote:

Folks!

There is only one word to say: WOW This chondrule is so awesome, if
you don't have seen this fantastic chondrule till now, you should write
Tom a short note. It's a truly must see.

Agreed, amazing chondrule-- in fact, it is a chon-drool.

Meanwhile, chondrule far away!:

http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/Ceres_f.jpg
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[meteorite-list] What to do with a Block of Pallasovka Pallasite?

2008-04-18 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin
I'm trying to decide the best way to process a block of Pallasovka Pallasite 
that Serge sent me.


Originally I was going to cut it into slices for him but my saw doesn't do 
so well cutting pallasite material into thin slices




Currently, it is a non symmetrical cube with an average width of 2.125 and 
it weighs 820 grams.  It has a single polished face which looks awesome.



I could sell it as is for $1400 shipped or I could polish all six sides and 
sell it for $1500



But I thought it might be cool to cut it into a perfect cube, however if I 
did that I would lose weight and the price would go up.


I could also turn it into a 2 sphere but then it would weigh even less and 
cost even more.



There are so many possibilities so I figured I should just post a message 
here to see if anyone is interested in this and if so how would you want it?


Please post a reply if you have any ideas or if you're interested in it 
contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com with an offer.



Thanks. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule close up!

2008-04-18 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Darren, List,


Ceres is not a Chondrule! It's a Clay-drule!

The interesting thing about the photo is that it makes
Ceres look a little like Mars, doesn't it? Here's what we
can say about a surface we can't see yet... until Dawn
gets there in February, 2015, less than 7 years to go...

So, what's on that surface?


1988:
Surface roughness much greater than the Moon:
far in excess of the Lunar value...
Change in physical properties at a depth of 3 cm,
is microregolith, gardened regolith, or undifferentiated.
Surface has properties of a finely divided, dry (20%
water) terrestrial clay...
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1988AJ.95.1263Wamp;data_type=PDF_HIGHamp;whole_paper=YESamp;type=PRINTERamp;filetype=.pdf


Icarus, 2006:
Comes down against ammonia magnesium clays, says
iron-rich clays and carbonates, dolomite, calcite
http://irtfweb.ifa.hawaii.edu/~elv/icarus185.563.pdf
Tomeoka and Buseck (1985) outlined a multi-step aqueous
alteration sequence for carbonaceous chondrites. Cronstedtite
is the dominant alteration product partway through the sequence,
which continues on to make more magnesium-rich phyllosilicates
as the iron enters magnetite. Further laboratory studies also
found cronstedtite to be more indicative of earlier rather than
later stages of alteration (Browning et al., 1996). If Ceres is
dominated by iron-rich rather than magnesium-rich clays,
and if there really is, or was, a subsurface ocean, the implication
is that the surface of Ceres did not experience aqueous alteration
to completion, despite the apparent availability of large amounts of
water, and that its surface had limited exchange with the interior.
This is consistent with the modeling of McCord and Sotin (2005)
which predicts ice in the outer 10 km of Ceres would remain
frozen, although they note that the frozen crust would be
gravitationally unstable and likely overturn, melt, and refreeze.
A more detailed consideration of aqueous alteration in the
outermost portion of Ceres' crust is beyond the scope of
this work.

The important point: the surface is fresh and is renewed faster
than carbonaceous chondrites equilibrate. It has geologic
re-cycling on a short geological time scale. The frozen crust
overturns? They interpret this as a lack of geological activity
but it could just as easily be a result of continous geological
activity! (See below.)


2005:
http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU05/10256/EGU05-J-10256.pdf
...the spectrum of Ceres at UV-visible is characterized
by an absorption band centered at about 280 nm, with the
width of about 100 nm, and about 30% of the reflectance
at 555 nm. This absorption feature could be due to a charge
transfer or a semi-conductor band, and is present in the
spectra of many iron-bearing minerals and salts.
The roughness of Ceres is unusually high, and not consistent
with the results measured from the ground [4], but consistent
with what is inferred by IR observations [7]. Radar observations
also indicate a surface that is very rough at scales larger than
meters or tens of meters but very smooth at centimeter to
decimeter scales [8]. Therefore, if the high roughness is real,
the surface of Ceres must be made of very smooth materials,
either like the surface of ice or deposited by very fine grained
particles, but saturated with craters at the sizes of tens of
meters to kilometers, even while it is globally relaxed.

Degraded craters with smooth clay mudflats with a little
snow drifted over it?


2005:
The Europeans think it's blacktopped!
http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=articleaccess=standardItemid=129url=/articles/aa/full/2005/24/aa2506-04/aa2506-04.html
The 3 m absorption feature was not detected, implying
the absence of OH and/or H2O-bearing minerals on the
asteroid surface at the latitude of our observations. The
spectrum of 1 Ceres was obtained in the 2.0-4.1 m range
and the presence of the 3.06 m absorption feature confirmed.
Laboratory measurement of ion-irradiated organics and ices
suggest that the 3.06 m feature can be reproduced with a
linear mixture of crystalyne ice and residues of ion-irradiated
asphaltite.

Important to point out here that crystaline ice is an indication
of fresh ice, otherwise known as SNOW. I don't know what
the skiing is like, but it snows, so there must be ice geysers,
fog, mist, clouds, something like that, on Ceres. The asphalite
could be degraded tholins; see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tholin
Since tholins are reddish, they may account for the red tint we
see in those images.


1999:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=615886id=3qs=Ne%3D20%26N%3D4294841293%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257C0
Thermal emission spectra of the largest asteroid 1 Ceres
obtained from the Kuiper Airborne Observatory display
features that may provide information on its surface mineralogy.
A plot of the Ceres spectrum (calibrated using alpha Boo as
a standard) divided by a standard thermal model (STM) is
shown. 

[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - April 16, 2008

2008-04-18 Thread Ron Baalke


MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
April 16, 2008

o Proposed MSL Landing Site in Mawrth Vallis - Ellipse 2
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007612_2045

o Proposed MSL Landing Site in Eberswalde Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007481_1560

o Large Southern Hemisphere Gully
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007126_1210

o Gullies in Utopia Planitia
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006724_2165
 
   
All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.
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[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: April 14-18, 2008

2008-04-18 Thread Ron Baalke

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
April 14-18, 2008

o Noctis Labyrinthus (Released 14 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080414a

o Channels (Released 15 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080415a

o Arkhangelsky Dunes (Released 16 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080416a

o Melas Chasma (Released 17 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080417a

o Newton Crater (Released 18 April 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080418a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 



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[meteorite-list] Mysterious Lights, Boom Baffle Residents in Indiana

2008-04-18 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15907638/detail.html  

Mysterious Lights, Boom Baffle Residents, Authorities
Bright Lights, Loud Boom Reported In 2 Indiana Counties
The Indy Channel
April 17, 2008

Reports of lights in the sky, crashes and vibrations on the ground
baffled residents, who began calling authorities right after the
rumblings at about 10:30 p.m.

Calls flooded dispatch centers and 6News from people concerned that what
they had seen and heard might have been a crashing plane, a meteorite or
something else.

Many said the light display was followed by an explosion -- a boom that
shook their homes. A slight metallic smell was reported in Kokomo
shortly after the incident.

Crews scoured a field near U.S. 31 and County Road 300 North in Tipton
County, but found nothing, 6News' Derrik Thomas reported.

I had heard the boom. It kind of woke me up, said veterinarian Dr.
Jack Hughes. It was louder than anything I'd heard before. You would
think a sonic boom from a jet, or something like that. This was big.

Hughes' clinic is near the area crews searched for any sign of debris.
Indiana State Police and local sheriff's departments dispatched at least
50 emergency responders to the scene.

We had civilians report things falling from the sky, almost consistent
with something like flares or sparks, said ISP Sgt. Jeremy Kelly.
Also, very consistent with a meteor shower. If we had to guess what it
was, that's what we would say.

David McDonald said he was startled by what he thought was someone
shooting a gun behind his house.

It was totally eerie. What could make that kind of a noise and justify
that kind of a response? McDonald said.

The Federal Aviation Administration said early Thursday that there were
no reports of missing planes. No debris was found.

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